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Hey! I'm Sam, but I edit Wikipedia as The Sharpest Lives, in honor of the MCR song from The Black Parade. I used to be known as User:ΛΣ, but I
didn't want non-Latin characters in my username and
didn't want to be associated with ΛΣ, the honor society (which I am not a part of).
I appreciate thanks! They make me smile. Any act of appreciation, whether it is cookies (see WP:♥) or a small note, will make my day :)
I like editing music-related articles, especially albums that I like. I started Growing Up, my pet project, so feel free to add/improve it! You may wonder: why am I obsessed with this article? Umm... the Linda Lindas are freaking awesome!? And this is a great album. I also made a handful of other pages on the Linda Lindas' music. That's how I use a lot of my editing time.
I am a fairly new Wikipedian, but I know my way around. If you have any advice or questions, please don't hesitate to ask! Despite my young age (compared to many Wikipedians I've seen), please understand that I am not dumb.[citation needed] (See also WP:Ageism)
Hey! How'd you get here? Let me know on the talk page if anyone ever reads this.
Anyways, this is my page for vinyl records that I own, or have access to. If they are mine, they go in § Mine, and if they are, let's say, my brother's, they go in § Not mine.
Second opinion: this reviewer is requesting another editor's input on the article. (3 reviews, 0 GAs) The Sharpest Lives (talk) 22:03, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
This includes music awards, music by nation/people/region/country, music genres, music styles, music eras, musical theory, musical instruments, music techniques, music businesses and events, music compositions, performers, groups, composers, and other music people.
On hold: this article is awaiting improvements before it is passed or failed. (53 reviews, 18 GAs) Tbhotch (talk) 23:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Note: Previous reviewers have given me a quick fail but the latest one now agrees that those issues have been addressed, I would like to nominate this article for a fourth time to get the chance of a proper review. GustavoCza (talk • contribs) 12:39, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
Note: Since Ecco2K's work is heavily associated with Drain Gang, I've focused mostly on his solo work and commentary surrounding it; more specific information is likely better added to the Drain Gang article or Ecco2K's album articles.
Does not meet WP:GNG, WP:NALBUM. I was unable to identify any independent coverage, having performed several searches in Portuguese on thee web, Google Books, and Google Scholar. Redirecting to Menudo (band) seems most useful to readers in the absence of sources. signed, Rosguilltalk 21:12, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
This is an album track with no coverage outside of its parent album. A few low chart positions (the New Zealand one not even on the main chart of that country) is not enough to sustain an article. I am nominating this because my redirection of the article was reverted. This should be redirected to Megan (album) as it fails WP:NSONGS: "Coverage of a song in the context of an album review does not establish notability" and re: point 1, that charting only indicates that a topic may be notable, not that it is. Ss112 19:10, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Just like Bitter Sweet (Majeeed EP), this critically fails WP:NSINGLE. No source to establish notability here, for the charts, I am very skeptical about this one, also, the song ranked in TurnTable charts or any of the mentioned charts only indicates that the song may be notable, not that it is notable. In this case, this song isn't notable. Again, I am skeptical about the notability of the musician himself, and overall, the user who created this article and so many others which I am skeptical about. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:14, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
The article in question is deceptively written, creating an initial impression that it meets the criteria of WP:NMUSIC unless scrutinized closely. However, it notably fails to meet WP:NALBUM or any of the applicable subsections due to a lack of sources establishing its notability. The content primarily consists of music releases, alongside interviews and passing mentions, none of which sufficiently establish notability on any grounds.
For reference, you may review archived copies of links from The PGM Club and The Guardian Nigeria here:
These archives provide accessible evidence regarding the sources mentioned. I am also very much skeptical about the notability of the musician himself. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:17, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Fails WP:NMUSIC. I haven't been able to find any coverage of this EP, secondary or otherwise, and the little content the page contains is completely unreferenced. It didn't chart either. I propose that it be redirected to The Friday Night Boys#Extended plays. SupremeLordBagel (talk to me) 09:42, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Delete: Sources found are just lyrics websites or wiki mirrors. I don't see charted singles or any type of reviews for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 20:58, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Redirect to The Friday Night Boys as there does not appear to be significant coverage from third-party, reliable sources. I think a redirect would be preferable over outright deletion as this is a viable search term with a viable redirect target. Aoba47 (talk) 17:54, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Couldn't find much reliable coverage on this topic to justify WP:GNG. The only source in the article doesn't mention the name "Himna kosovskih junaka" or "Hriste Bože", which is another common name, it only mentions the lyrics, quoted by a single writer and in a passing mention. 🔥Jalapeño🔥Stupid stuff I did 09:22, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Same as the other nominations I made shortly before this one to come from the Living Tombstone, this album is a notability failure that doesn't meet the general notability guidelines or NALBUM. All but two sources here are either Spotify or a blatant primary source like a merchandise store. The two sources that are actually reliable are 1 and 11, with 1 being a passing mention and 11 not even mentioning the album once. Any material worthwhile for this album is already included in the article for the band itself. λNegativeMP1 06:23, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Non-notable song that fails the general notability guideline. Source 1 and 2 are certifications (which don't automatically make a song notable), 3 and 4 are passing mentions that fail significant coverage, 5 is unreliable per WP:WHOSAMPLED, and 6 is a primary source (exclusively an interview) that only mentions the song once. All material worth keeping for this article is already included in the article for the band itself. λNegativeMP1 06:10, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Non-notable compilation album, with all of the sourcing being primary sources or unreliable sources such as Discogs. Fails the general notability guidelines, and the subject-specific NALBUM. λNegativeMP1 06:04, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
The article is based on album reviews for Infinity on High. so it doesn't establish a separate WP:SIGCOV. I searched sources independently and I found two, both from NME,[3][4] one written from Patrick Stump's point of view and the other from Pete Wentz's view. Those sources don't say anything different from what is already said by the sources present in the article. And Infinity on High mentions part of the article's content anyway. (CC)Tbhotch™ 03:24, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Redirect to Infinity on High: sources in article only make very brief mentions of the song, and the same goes for the two NME articles the nominator linked. Nowhere near enough for an independent article. I wouldn't oppose a merger if there are any valuable statements included here which aren't already in the album article. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 03:49, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Keep Meets WP:GNG - The article is comprehensive and there is commentary about the song in multiple reliable sources. Slant Magazine, Northern Valley Suburbanite, Alternative Press, Guitar.com. Additionally the song leads with an introduction from Jay Z which garnered much press like in the Los Angeles Times and other major media outlets.Note, as the article's main author I was not notified of this AfD. Bruxton (talk) 04:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
In the past I would have said the same. The article itself is not the issue, but the sources are. They are all about the album, so the critics naturally write about the songs featured in the album from that perspective. For example, "I've Got All This Ringing in My Ears and None on My Fingers" is also mentioned by two of the sources you included and some sources included at Infinity on High, but that doesn't mean we should have an article for it. This was practically the conclusion reached at previous AFD discussions like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Red Hot Kinda Love, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Don't Let Me Down (Leona Lewis song), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/My Hands. A good example of how this is reversed is Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bloody Mary (Lady Gaga song), a song that was marignally notable when it was released, but that gained independent notability after an external event created that notability; that is, being used in a TV series and secondary sources discussing it independently from the album. (CC)Tbhotch™ 05:57, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Merge (into Infinity on High) - it has good info, but I agree with the nom. – The Sharpest Lives (💬•✏️•ℹ️) 06:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Keep I came here from DYK and I am the editor who approved this article's nomination when it ran on the main page. During the approval process many editors, administrators and readers vetted the article. The article clearly meets our general notability guide. A topic is "notable" if there is enough usable coverage of it in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject, to write a good encyclopedic article. I think that is what we have here, a good encyclopedic article about the song, based on multiple secondary sources. Lightburst (talk) 01:48, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
You can refer to WP:NSONGS: "Coverage of a song in the context of an album review does not establish notability." (CC)Tbhotch™ 03:47, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
We should not focus on the SNG - WP:NSONG, according to WP:NA topic is presumed to merit an article if: It meets either the general notability guideline (GNG) below, or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific notability guideline (SNG); and t is not excluded under the What Wikipedia is not policy. I believe that it meets GNG based on the RS. Lightburst (talk) 04:06, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
On the talk page I left the sources review. I don't see the independent, non-trivial, non-passing mentions content that indicate significant coverage that is independent from the parent album. I see sources speaking about the song from the album's context focusing on being named after a Michael Jackson album and inadvertently having a rap intro by Jay-Z, both facts that can be covered by the album's composition section.
As much as you'd like to keep the page, this hadn't had to run on the main page in the first place and you made a mistake by approving an article built on trivialities. Proof of this is the fact that this song hasn't been discussed by critics in subsequent releases thoroughly and it needs to have a background that doesn't even mention the song and has to rely exclusively on trivial album mentions. (CC)Tbhotch™ 04:31, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
You have made seven edits to the article and you have typed 6527 characters (1062 words) in an effort to remove an article that is only 2963 characters (517 words). This AfD time-suck is an example of why I am not as active in deletion lately. You have lost credibility in your source assessment because I randomly looked at #9: you referred to three full paragraphs discussing the song as a passing mention. And #15 you refer to an article which features this song as one of 15 heaviest songs as a passing mention. I am not going to focus on all the WP:OTHERSTUFF arguments. Also I really need to start observing WP:COAL and maybe you should too. Lightburst (talk) 19:25, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Opinion divided between Keeping this article and Merge/Redirect it. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk! 03:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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