Wikipedia:Featured and good topic candidates/Failed log/April 2007

Solar System (3rd supplementary nomination)

This topic is already featured. It is being re-nominated to add additional items. See Wikipedia talk:Featured topics/Solar System for discussions of the topic's previous nominations. The additional items are:

1. 90377 Sedna

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Solar System	Sun, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Moon, Mars, Ceres, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, Eris, Sedna

I'm not sure where to post this, but 90377 Sedna is a GA class article and concerns a unique planetary object in the Solar System; I think it should be included in the Solar System featured topic. Serendipodous 15:42, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

• Comment Where are the Sun and the Moon?--Rmky87 18:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry; older version copied. Added Serendipodous 18:49, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

• Object This doesn't go here, as this topic only lists planets and dwarf planets. If we list this we'll have to add all of the other trans-neptunian objects to the list. Tarret 21:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
  • I don't think that this topic is necessarily only for planets and dwarf planets. A while ago I nominated the asteroid belt and the Oort cloud. They didn't pass because the articles weren't good enough, but there was general consensus that those articles would be appropriate for the topic if they were better written. This topic is for any major feature of the solar system. What we have to decide is whether Sedna qualifies as a major feature by itself or whether only the trans-Neptunian objects as a collective count as a major feature. I don't know enough about this now, and I'll have to get back to you with my opinion on it. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 00:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
• I'll support. If every trans-Neptunian object was GA or better, I'd be fine with including them. The Solar System does have a lot of parts, after all. Hurricanehink (talk) 20:40, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
• support I think this has topic and its articles qualifies it as a major feature Max 09:52, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
• Object for consistency- if Sedna gets declared a Dwarf Planet, then it needs to be added. If it isn't, which is where it stands now, then it should only be added if we add all of the other trans-neptunian objects. I'm all for adding articles to FTs, but we can't cherry-pick the good ones. This isn't the first time this has happened, if you remember- Enceladus (moon), a Featured Article, was nominated for inclusion but dropped, because we can't just throw it in and leave out the other moons of Saturn. (Or the other moons of the solar system as a whole, for that matter). When we add things to a featured topic, what we're doing is changing the definition of the topic. Right now it's "important bodies of the solar system, including the sun, planets, and dwarf planets, plus the moon". If we added Oort cloud and asteroid belt, we'd be changing the definition to "important bodies of the solar system, including the sun, planets, dwarf planets, and other major features, plus the moon". To add Sedna, we'd need to change it to "important bodies of the solar system, including the sun, planets, dwarf planets, and trans-neptunian objects, plus the moon". If we then only added in Sedna, we'd have the obvious gap of all of the trans-neptunian objects that are not Sedna. This definition problem is exactly why we only have 8 FTs at the moment- it's really hard to come up with a consistent definition of a topic that includes mostly or all good+ articles. --PresN 22:29, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose - PresN is right, Enceladus (moon) set a precedent that only major features of the solar system can be included. This only includes the Sun, planets, and dwarf planets, with the Moon thrown in because of extreme historical significance. Regions like the asteroid belt could be added, but unless Sedna gets called a dwarf planet it just isn't significant on its own and would have to be part of a subtopic. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 03:18, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
• Weak Object - As per PresN and Artic Gnome. CheekyMonkey 11:40, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
• Fail - No comments for over a week with no consensus to promote. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 02:18, 16 April 2007 (UTC)