Wikipedia:Featured and good topic candidates/Failed log/2012
- Contributor(s): dendodge
The link here is clear: The main Beatles article, the six people who were official band members, the manager, and the producer. All articles are at least GAs, and two are featured. I had a role in getting George Harrison to GA, but otherwise wasn't a major contributor to this set, although I find it clear that this meets the Good Topic criteria. We could also add 
Neil Aspinall and Mal Evans, who also had very close ties to the band, but I'm wary of making this too broad. --dendodge 20:41, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose This topic needs to include at least The Beatles discography and likely a couple more articles I can't come up with off the top of my head. Courcelles 20:47, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
- Comment: This definitely doesn't fulfil the scope of "The Beatles" anywhere near comprehensively (no albums, no films, etc), but perhaps "The Beatles personnel" or such like might work. I'd probably add the two additional names to it as well, for that. GRAPPLE X 20:54, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, there's no article about that specifically. Could the topic be called "The Beatles personnel" without an article of that title? (I'm a little rusty on the exact rules here.) dendodge 20:57, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'm pretty sure it can. The title defines the scope, and the article chosen as the lead is the one which best exemplifies this—the parent article The Beatles will contain all past members, managers, hangers-on and Yoko, after all. Either pipe it as "The Beatles personnel", or just parse it as "The Beatles personnel". I'd be willing to support if the scope was defined as such and I was happy it was exhaustive in that regard; it also gives rise to the possibility of using it as a subtopic should WP:BEATLES promote enough articles to create a comprehensive topic for the band. GRAPPLE X 21:29, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, there's no article about that specifically. Could the topic be called "The Beatles personnel" without an article of that title? (I'm a little rusty on the exact rules here.) dendodge 20:57, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
The Beatles personnelIs that better? I can't think of a way to make the list more exhaustive, other than to include everyone who ever had anything to do with the group, but that would get very bloated. This is the core personnel list, and has "personnel" in the title to disabiguate nicely. dendodge 21:40, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose a GA can be created with such a title (Beatles personnel). There is no need to use the main Beatles for such a topic. Nergaal (talk) 14:51, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
- There's List of members of bands featuring members of The Beatles, but that would exclude Martin, Epstein and Aspinall (and who knows if using that article will lead nitpickers to ask for the Quarrymen, Tony Sheridan, Jimmy Nicol and Billy Preston?). igordebraga ≠ 19:20, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
- I decided people like Sheridan, Nicol, Preston, White, and Ono had such unimportant roles (performances on no more than a couple of songs - in one case not even a single recording, and only as backup, except in the case of Sheridan but that wasn't even a Beatles song) that including them would be over the top. They wouldn't really count ass Personnel, in my opinion. (Of course, some of them - especially Yoko - are important, but not of the same type.) If we include those people, by that logic we'd also have to include everyone who sang on Hey Jude, and everyone in the orchestras that played backup on their various later songs. That would lead to bloat beyond imagination. dendodge 19:27, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
- I understand that you're only putting the full-time Beatles members and worthy candidates for Fifth Beatle. I just mentioned a possible issue someone could find in case that list became the lead. igordebraga ≠ 22:51, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
- I decided people like Sheridan, Nicol, Preston, White, and Ono had such unimportant roles (performances on no more than a couple of songs - in one case not even a single recording, and only as backup, except in the case of Sheridan but that wasn't even a Beatles song) that including them would be over the top. They wouldn't really count ass Personnel, in my opinion. (Of course, some of them - especially Yoko - are important, but not of the same type.) If we include those people, by that logic we'd also have to include everyone who sang on Hey Jude, and everyone in the orchestras that played backup on their various later songs. That would lead to bloat beyond imagination. dendodge 19:27, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
- There's List of members of bands featuring members of The Beatles, but that would exclude Martin, Epstein and Aspinall (and who knows if using that article will lead nitpickers to ask for the Quarrymen, Tony Sheridan, Jimmy Nicol and Billy Preston?). igordebraga ≠ 19:20, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose as currently constructed—a featured or good topic on the Beatles would need many more articles than just the list of members. Perhaps a list could be created and passed through FL called something like List of significant contributors to The Beatles? –Grondemar 01:28, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
- Closed, topic failed. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 00:48, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
- Contributor(s): AJona1992
I believe this topic satisfies the criteria at WP:GT? and therefore nominating as self. Best, --Jonayo! Selena 4 ever 01:15, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose per Featured topic candidates/Greatest Hits: My Prerogative and Featured topic removal candidates/Celebration (Madonna album). Statυs (talk) 08:39, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
- Similar oppose Nergaal (talk) 19:19, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
- Close with no consensus to promote. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 21:41, 27 July 2012 (UTC)