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John Edwards

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John Edwards campaigning in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania on Labor day in 2007.
 
Related.
Reason
Image is hopelessly noisy, basically NOTHING is in focus. Way oversampled also. Half of him is coverered in razor-sharp shadows (which is the only thing sharp in this pic). The american flag in the background is barely identifiable as such- the white balance leaves its 50 (52 if you count the strangely double-image ones) blots and long smudges light and dull. The composition is terrible; he's cut off on the left and theres a giant gap between the end of his arm and the right of the image (where his fingers end nobody knows because his overexposed fingertips fade right into the grey of a flag stripe). The sinkers are: the worst-case lighting conditions and the focus on the giant blur that's probably a microphone.
Nominator
ffroth
  • Delist — ffroth 03:22, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep only been and FP for 4 months - I don't think the standards have changed significantly since it was promoted. de Bivort 03:32, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist per nom. Not particularly encyclopedic and the lighting is what led me to oppose in the original nom. — BRIAN0918 • 2008-01-03 14:50Z
  • Delist Lighting is the big drawback; for a politician there must be better photos out there and plenty of chances to get a better shot. Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 23:09, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I can live with motion blur on the hands. The head is in reasonable focus. I might be inclined to delist to avoid systemic bias in the elections, but unfortunately, that's not one of our criteria. Samsara (talk • contribs) 23:43, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist I don't mind the out-of-focus flag background, it's a nice effect and perfectly recognizable. The entire composition is excellent. I just don't like the way the light is falling across his face. As I said in my original oppose, there should be a lot of public domain photos of candidates to choose from. --Bridgecross (talk) 18:37, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I disagree with all of the nominator's points and the exaggerated tone of them in particular. Lighting, focus and composition are perfectly fine and the rather high contrast (which amounts to the only legitimate niggle, IMO) is way less important a factor here than the power of the image itself. --mikaultalk 23:52, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The composition is just fine as it is, and the quality is pertty good (full ack mikaul!). --Dschwen 02:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I don't see any problems with this, I don't understand the what the nominator means by 'way oversampled' this was taken with a 6.3 megapixel DSLR, considering the resolution, it was likely downsampled or cropped, there isn't any evidence of interpolation, the noise is acceptable Thisglad (talk) 08:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I think its fairly dynamic and the light isn't terrible. -Fcb981(talk:contribs) 13:39, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - I think ffroth might need a lie down - his face, hair and microphone, while not perfectly in focus, are very very close. "the giant blur that's probably a microphone" - to be honest, WTF? This is a reasonable picture. To be honest, we're not trying to accurately illustrate the entirety of John Edwards' body with this image, so I doubt that his legs and right elbow are going to add much to picture, especially as they're clad in a plain blue tracksuit. I can also quite clearly see the all of the ends of his fingers. Tried using a different monitor, ffroth? —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ 16:05, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and I echo the sentiment of some of the folks above that the tone of the delist nom was inappropriate, bordering on UNCIVIL. Matt Deres (talk) 03:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Agree with above. Almost borders on trolling, I'd say... --Janke | Talk 20:11, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kept MER-C 04:43, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wildfire

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a caption of the image, if any
Reason
I feel that the composition isn't really good enough for FP, and the quality doesn't seem good enough either: blurry, low detail. -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 06:58, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator
-- Anonymous DissidentTalk

Kept . --jjron (talk) 08:34, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Warsaw Ghetto Josef Bloesche-edit1

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Deleted image
File:26543.JPG
High res version now uploaded
 
Straightened, cropped, renamed high res version per previous 'small' FP version
Reason
Deleted at COM:DEL. Already delisted. MER-C 03:40, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any objections to this being refeatured? It seems a little small... MER-C 06:36, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep --Fir0002 02:59, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional keep. Grumble, grumble I was going to say delist and renominate, but when I looked at it fullsize I seem to remember supporting the original nomination (I don't guess anyone can easily find the link to that?). So keep, provided Howcheng (or someone) can confirm that this is basically the same as the version that was originally promoted; if not I think it should be delisted and renominated. --jjron (talk) 08:28, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • This is the same version that was originally promoted. I am an admin on Commons, so I was able to view the deleted file, which I then downloaded and reuploaded locally. The version that has been uploaded by someone else will probably need to be deleted from Commons, since it's not PD in its home country (Germany). howcheng {chat} 17:47, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Too historically valuable not to keep --Hadseys (talk • contribs) 16:16, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delistbecause it doesn't meet the minimum size requirements, and the subject is not dynamic enough to overcome that. Keep. Thanks for the hi-res version. Not to be a nit-pick or anything, but it could do with some clean-up. I can't do it, though. But I think that it is now good enough for an FP. Clegs (talk) 17:42, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Its a little boy about to be shot dead after the warsaw ghetto uprising, id say it was plenty dynamic, perhaps a little too much so
  • Delist as per Clegs. Thingg (talk) 21:01, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Again, find me a better shot of the subject and prove to me that this is not the best WP has to offer and I'll change to delist but until then people have to stop giving size higher priority than the best to offer principle. Cat-five - talk 08:38, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist per Clegs. Thisglad (talk) 11:46, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This is one of the most famous photos of the second World War. Much effort have been made to identify the people in the photo. It's one of those rare documentary photographs with a "perfect" composition (YMMV). A resolution that meets the FP requirement would be better, but "exceptions to this rule may be made for historical or otherwise unique images" Wikipedia:Featured_picture_criteria. Zarniwoot (talk) 00:13, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • FYI... This really is a famous photo. I've seen it in many Holocaust books and websites. You can buy posters of the photo on one site. Some sources claim that he boy is Tsvi Nussbaum, but the Wikipedia article suggets that he might not be. --User101010 (talk) 01:41, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I've written to the site where this photo comes from to request that they release a small number of high resolution public domain images for Wikipedia, and offered to provide full credit and an outgoing link to their site in return. Also, I've been searching the Library of Congress for other free images of the Holocaust. Haven't found any yet. I'd welcome other leads and sources for material on this very important subject. DurovaCharge! 21:06, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • This image was contained in a report compiled by SS commander Jürgen Stroop who was in charge of the Nazi troops during the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. It was seized by the U.S. government after the war and used as evidence during the Nuremberg Trials against him. It's thus public domain in the U.S. by virtue of being seized enemy property. howcheng {chat} 17:47, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • The original ( the only one existing copy) of Jürgen Stroop report was transferred to the property of Polish State by US- Army authorities , just after Nuremberg Trials.This original is now in property of Institute for National Rememberance in Warsaw (Poland). The first publication of all photos from this document was made in Poland in 1946. The author of all photos is unknown - and for the reason he was a member of Stroop commando ( with nationality unknown - it was Germans, Latvians, Russians, Ukrainians) he is from the beginning in prosecution for participating in genocide and for this reason he will never in fact be disclosed personally.

According to Berne Convention art. 5. [1] in any case of anonymous works the law, shall to be in effect is the law of country of the first publication of photo.

For the reason - the country of publishing is Poland , the regulations of Polish copyright law are in effect. See Template:PD:Polish in Commons

Best regards: Andros64 (talk) 10:47, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • FYI, I have uploaded a high-resolution version of the photo:Image:26543.JPG.
  • Keep as high resolution version. Image size is no longer an issue. DurovaCharge! 07:58, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Just for the record, I found the original nomination here. It's clearly a Keep (the only reasons for delist were to do with size, but that's now not an issue), but it's no longer in any articles - does anyone know what it was in before this all happened? Can we get it back in an article before closing this please? Also does someone feel like giving the big version a straighten and crop to bring it into line with the small one? --jjron (talk) 09:05, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kept . --jjron (talk) 09:16, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Awaiting placement back in an article (and straighten and crop of large version). --jjron (talk) 09:16, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I replaced the old version with the new, hi-res version in Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. Spikebrennan (talk) 19:36, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
All done; back in articles, back in original places in FP thumbs and Wikipedia:Featured pictures/History, FP count incremented. --jjron (talk) 12:04, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Joey in pouch

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Joey (baby kangaroo) in its mother's pouch. Photograph by Geoff Shaw (Zoology, University of Melbourne, Australia)
Reason
no longer meets size requirements, tight crop & extensive JPEG compression artifacts Thisglad (talk) 12:27, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator
Thisglad (talk)
The errors caused by compression was another listed reason if you look above, particularly in the bottom right corner, easily visible at 100%, not what you would expect as the best wikipedia has to offer. Thisglad (talk) 09:32, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kept MER-C 02:09, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Monarch butterfly

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Monarch butterfly, most people have heard of these
 
new promotion
 
Another example that is popular on the article talk page (but not an FP).
Reason
It seems to have been replaced by a more recent promotion that shows the same subject in pretty much the same way and is a higher res, especially on the subject.

PS: If it's of any interest, the existing FP was not mentioned at the recent FP candidacy.

Nominator
Samsara (talk • contribs)

Kept . --John254 04:58, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Coconut shy

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Albert Harris and his coconut shy - Cambridge Midsummer Fair 2005
Reason
Coconut shies barely visible, irrelevant signs in the background, tent cut off on all sides.
Nominator
Pstuart84 Talk
Now I've a lot more respect for this delisting suggestion since it is trying to focus on the content. However, I should note that many of you seem to be a little confused as to what a coconut shy actually is. A coconut shy is not the coconut, nor is it the cup and stick that the coconut rests on, rather it is the whole stall in which that game takes place. It doesn't specifically include the stall owner, although all coconut shys would have one and they could be seen as an integral part of the illustration. A useful analogy would be an illustration of a bowling alley which ought to show the bowling lane, just as much as the pins.
On another note, I tend to see this picture as an example of salvage ethnography (and I recall helping ensure that we had a number of examples of Edward Curtis illustrations for The North American Indian as FPs). Travelling showmen largely live their lives apart from the rest of society and have their own subculture. It is a lifestyle that is in decline and I wouldn't be surprised if has essentially disappeared in the next 50 years. Already the last bare-knuckle boxing booth has closed in the UK when its owner died of old age a couple of years ago. -- Solipsist (talk) 14:37, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No consensus MER-C 08:15, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Warsaw Ghetto Uprising

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Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, 1943 (unrestored)
 
Restored version; proposed replacement.
Reason
Nominating to delist and replace with restored version.
Nominator
DurovaCharge!
  • Delist and replace — DurovaCharge! 02:53, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose. Seems like we're substituting the scratched up historical photo look for the crappy grainy photo look :[ :D\=< (talk) 04:12, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist and replace per nom. Nice job on the restoration. Spikebrennan (talk) 14:54, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Opposeper :D\=<, they call me a sucker, but I like some scratches on historic photos.D-rew (talk) 02:51, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. While cleaning up scratches, you repaired the front woman's stocking run, and removed two lapel pins from the coat of the woman behind her! The cosmetic cleanup and sharpening removed detail and added digital artifacts. I strongly prefer the original, scratches and all. --mglg(talk) 18:54, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • One of the things I consider when doing these restorations is the historic and economic background. Stockings, for instance, were in very short supply during World War II.[2] It was highly unlikely that a Jewish woman in the Warsaw Ghetto would have had access to a high demand luxury that caused store riots even in the United States. At high magnification the contours of that mark are consistent with photographic decomposition rather than than a socking run. All other details were examined with equal attention to context. This particular discussion is taking surprising turns. Compare to Commons:Commons:Featured picture candidates/Image:Stroop Report - Warsaw Ghetto Uprising 06b.jpg. DurovaCharge! 19:28, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • I have no doubt that your judgment about what features are or are not likely to be real is excellent, and I'll happily assume it to be superior to mine. I hestitate, however, to take it as obvious that your judgment is infallible, or that no qualified future Wikipedia viewer would reach different conclusions. Therefore I suggest that it is prudent to leave such judgments to the viewer, by maintaining any documentary image in a maximally documentary condition, free of all but the most basic processing. As for the overwhelming support this image received at commons, that appears to pertain to the image in general – which I think most of us agree is stellar – not to the pros and cons of this particular edit compared to the original. --mglg(talk) 20:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Accuracy and historicity certainly are legitimate concerns with image restoration. A Holocaust museum uploaded the current version at my suggestion when the previous version was up for deletion due to size issues. It wasn't until a month afterward, when another Commons editor asked me to restore it that I undertook the task. A lot of tough restoration decisions get made at 300% or 500% or 700% resolution and the questions you raise are the same questions I ask myself. With restorations I always link from the restored file to an unrestored version, along with a description of the changes. That candid approach addresses issues of fidelity. DurovaCharge! 02:54, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kept . --John254 00:10, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nodding Pincushion Protea Flower Bud

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Nodding Pincushion, Leucospermum 'Veldfire' Flower Bud
Reason
The image hardly passed the nomination in the first place, the description was changed few times (my fault) and the image is nothing special.--Mbz1 (talk) 04:26, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator
Mbz1 (talk)
  • Delist — Mbz1 (talk) 04:26, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and note that perhaps some should heed some of the essays here, rather than being hasty. Can't see any reason to delist this one. - Peripitus (Talk) 05:05, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Please believe me, Peripitus and everybody, my nomination for delisting has nothing to do with any comments by any user and no it is not WP:Point. It is my honest opinion. Yes I took this image, yes I supported it, but now I've changed my mind about FP images in general. I believe that only very special images should be getting FP status and I just do not consider this image of mine to be a very special one.It might have been more special, if at least it was taken in South Africa, where the plant comes from,but it was taken in San Francisco Botanical Garden. Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 06:17, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I saw signs of a fuse blowing. A strong cup of tea may help. This picture, as found in the consensus here and the one on commons, is clearly FP material. Well taken, well composed, good looking specimen - Peripitus (Talk) 11:15, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am sorry, if it feels this way, but please believe me there no fuse blowing. The flower is a common one, very easily reproduced and that's why the image is not special enogh to be FP IMO. Once again I am sorry, if it feels as I am disrupting Wikipedia.--Mbz1 (talk) 13:27, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kept MER-C 08:57, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

South Africa Apartheid

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South African Apartheid
Reason
Although this is very encyclopedic, the image is very small, and it is not very sharp at all.
Nominator
- Milk's Favorite Cookie

Kept . --- Milk's Favorite Cookie 19:54, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The USS Akron (ZRS-4) Airship flying over southern Manhattan

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USS Akron (ZRS-4) flying over the southern end of Manhattan Island, New York City, circa 1931-1933 (Photo #: NH 43900)
Reason
Too small, doesn't add much information of USS Akron or its history. If it is thought to be valued for its image of Manhattan panorama of early 30-40's, then there is already a much bigger and cleaner FP.
 
Another Manhattan panorama
Nominator
Mothmolevna ( © ® )

Kept . --jjron (talk) 15:19, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Quorum not met.

Marine da nang

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Reason
Oddly compelling picture but it's not used in any articles and it's a bit small by featured standards.
Nominator
Guest9999 (talk)
  • Must admit I missed that 'dead' edit on the original uploader anyway, I actually only checked the FPC nominator's talkpage as it wasn't created by a Wikipedian. All good now. --jjron (talk) 06:48, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Interestingly I noticed that contrary to standard procedure it was never listed which articles the image was used in in the original nom Thisglad (talk) 08:12, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You may want to go and look at some other noms from 2005 - try the month this was originally nominated for example. Back then listing the articles was not standard procedure, that only came in later; some people mentioned it in their reason, some didn't. --jjron (talk) 03:01, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kept MER-C 06:29, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Green turtle

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A suitable caption for the image
Reason
because I like this image better
Nominator
Mbz1 (talk)
  • May I please just point out that I believe that turtles cannot care less about "The beautiful habitat of the Hawaii waters". The thing is that turtles do not feed on live corals. The turtules feed on sea grass as is shown in this image of mine  . I do see turtles swimming by corals more or less often, but only because they are passing by from their resting (basking) ground to their feeding ground and back. I've noticed that more and more turtles feed closer to their resting ground without swimminng over corals. Here is the image, which I took from shore. You could see a turtle in a very shallow water probably feeding on sea grass and other turtle resting at the rock at the right hand side of the image.--Mbz1 (talk) 01:24, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for bringing these links up. I should have done it myself. It is interesting to review them after so many months, but once again turtules do not live among corals. They only swimm by and rarely rest under corals  . BTW may I please ask what do you think about these two images   and   (the second one was taken not to illustrate a turtle, but rather to illustrate Total internal reflection). Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 04:54, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I wish I knew what you are talking about, what personal view of mine I am advacating. I believe we are having a very polite discussion what image of mine represents green turtle and they natural habitat better. May I please ask you to be more specific and tell me where exactly you see me advocating my personal views that I would not repeat this mistake in the feature. Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 16:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I withdraw the nomination. Thank you all for the comments and for the votes.--Mbz1 (talk) 16:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kept --jjron (talk) 08:19, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jet engine

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Jet engine diagram
Reason
Was replaced in jet engine by a more complete diagram (see Talk:Jet engine#Image:Jet engine.svg) and is no longer used in any articles.
Nominator
howcheng {chat}

Kept MER-C 05:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agassiz statue

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Agassiz statue after earthquake
Reason
I actually really like this image, but the EV just isn't there. Right from the original nom it's been struggling for a place in an article. It was promoted after being shoved into San Francisco earthquake, but it's not there any longer. I can't really think of where it would really be valuable.
Nominator
jjron (talk)
  • Delist — jjron (talk) 07:37, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist per nom + tilted and unsharp. Mfield (talk) 15:56, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist per nom. crassic![talk] 03:22, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist this does not illustrate anything very noteworthy since there are better pictures of the earthquake damage Thisglad (talk) 05:42, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and info A slightly different crop of this picture has been in place in Louis Agassiz for at least the last year. I've switched it over to this version since it's substantially the same image but higher quality. If the editors on that page feel it is useful, then I'm willing to give it a pass on the EV, if only for the wonderful quip it affords. Matt Deres (talk) 03:59, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Honestly, I considered it for there, but how much EV does this have for an article on Agassiz? It's akin to a trivia section which are discouraged in articles - it's a trivia photo if you like. I can't even understand why there's a statue of him at Stanford when he spent his career in the US at Harvard (and it's never explained in anything to do with this photo). --jjron (talk) 14:17, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • I don't actually disagree with your position, I'm just saying that in a case like this, the fact that it's been used in an article for several months implies that the editors of the article feel it has value, which is (ultimately) the point in deciding whether it has EV or not. Call my vote a "keep vote on behalf of the article editors" or something :-). Matt Deres (talk) 00:50, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The incident itself is actually famous, and photos of it (possibly this one) are being used time and again in science lectures the world over. It happened to temporally coincide with the overthrowing of some of Agassiz' ideas, which is why the meme got popular (beyond the photo's comic value of a statue of a man with his head buried in the sand). That's enough EV for me. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 14:55, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hmmm, I wonder which theories they would be that coincide with this. He's probably best known for his work on ice ages (still a lot of valid work there now), his anti-evolution/anti-Darwinism until his death in 1873 ('overthrown' in his lifetime), and his racial ideas (still pretty popular long after 1906). Still haven't been shown any significant link between this and any content. --jjron (talk) 15:24, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Actually, acceptance of Darwinian evolutionary theories was not universal at the time of Agassiz's death. It was not until the rediscovery of Gregor Mendel's work on genetic inheritance in 1900 (note the date) that the theory of natural selection gained a mechanism for descent. It was at that time that there was a sea change in biology and Agassiz became identified as part of the "old guard" and unfairly (IMO) mocked for not accepting a theory that (while ultimately correct) was not at all ironclad in his time. Matt Deres (talk) 00:59, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • It was more a case of waiting for the 'old guard' to die out than any lack of acceptance. Agassiz was one of the last reputable scientists with a basically creationist mindset, along with a few other old-timers from there. We see that sort of thing often, not just in science, where new ideas have to wait for the embedded hierarchy to move on before the new ideas are 'officially' universally accepted. Mendel's work provided a mechanism and helped with the then resurgent Neo-Darwinism, but the vast majority of serious scientists had long before abandoned creationist notions (certainly before Darwin's death in 1882, and indeed before Agassiz's death as well) largely due to Darwin's insights, even if they didn't fully agree with Darwin's theories for how it worked. --jjron (talk) 06:03, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - it's got the wow, i.e. eyecatching. "Hystorical", too.  ;-) --Janke | Talk 08:11, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - per above ← κεηηε∂γ (shout at me) 08:57, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • No vote. I sentimentally want this to stay featured, but it's not really encyclopedic for Louis Agassiz, the only real article in which the image appears. Spikebrennan (talk) 15:52, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kept MER-C 05:24, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Petrified Wood

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Petrified tree in Petrified Forest National Park, USA.
Reason
Quite frankly this image no longer has the image and techinal quality to be considered an FP. The lighting is harsh and I find that the item in the top right-hand corner is distracting. Composition is poor and it just doesn't seem to be an image that we can continue to consider as being featured
Nominator
Booksworm Sprechen-sie Koala?

Kept --NauticaShades 21:00, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Air Force One over Mt. Rushmore

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A suitable caption for the image
Reason
The image doesn't seem to be upto the standards of Wikipedia's FPs anymore. At full size, the image looks very grainy. The plane also looks over contrasted to me and there seems to be white specs splattered over the trees. It's possible for the specs to be fixed but I don't think anything will reduce the amount of graininess the image suffers from.
Nominator
Save-Me-Oprah(talk)

Kept MER-C 12:50, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Veined leaf

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Veined leaf
Reason
Low resolution, poor composition (cut off on three sides), reproducible
Nominator
Pstuart84 Talk

Kept MER-C 12:22, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Coyote

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Coyote
Reason
Cut off, especially the ear. Cute rather than encyclopedic.
Nominator
Pstuart84 Talk

Kept MER-C 12:22, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Eiffel Tower

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Eiffel Tower at sunrise
Reason
Very blurry; more notable for artistic lighting than encyclopeidic value.
Nominator
Pstuart84 Talk

Kept MER-C 12:22, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mechanical mouse cutaway

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Mouse mechanism combining graphics from Illustrator and Photoshop Effects.
Reason
Falls far short of the resolution requirements, and some parts are a bit grainy (the shadow).
Nominator
Reguiieee (talk)
  • Delist until there is an SVG version Keep — Reguiieee (talk) 13:33, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist photo used for mouse is out of focus & not an excellent diagram, just mediocre, it could be redrawn into a much better svg Thisglad (talk) 02:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wasting your time This is silly. Go CREATE SOMETHING instead of wrangling to pull stuff down. I don't see history for either one of you - Reguiieee, Thisglad. Is this your job here to be non-contributing critics?! Drama. (The image creator) jk (talk) 05:50, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Allow me to clarify: I am NOT trying to assert that I know better than everyone else. I am NOT demanding anyone to follow my opinions. This is a democratic process that represents a wider judgment. I am willing to accept my own mistake; please do not insult me. Reguiieee (talk) 11:48, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Oops. My apologies on the emotion here. It becomes very frustrating, though, when I pour a great deal of effort into this project only to have the work dismissed without a viable alternative. Got something better? I bow to the improvement. But saying something does not meet "a standard" just irritates. I suppose you could say that your criticism is a form of contribution... I am curious what you mean by "resolution requirements" and need a reference here to guide me. I am very willing to improve this image - bear in mind that it did take me about 20 hours to complete. Can you give me a little more detail here about graininess and how you would improve the SVG portion? And, alas, I seem to have misplaced the mouse image file and will have to recreate that entirely. (The image creator) jk (talk) 05:08, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • There was a link in the original nomination to the Wikipedia:Featured picture criteria which explain the "resolution requirements". Criterion 2 states it should be a minimum 1000px in the shortest dimension. While this was probably promoted prior to this requirement, this does fall well short of this 'standard', at only 530 x 436px. Re the graininess, if you look at the photo parts, especially visible in the shadowy area, you'll see that it looks 'speckled' rather than smooth. I think the issue here is more to do with the original mouse image you have used, which is small, grainy, and not well focussed, so not having that is possibly not such a problem, as I think you'd really need a better photo to base it off. I assume you still have the drawn SVG part? If so, would it be hard to combine that with a better quality mouse photo to meet the concerns? You might be able to find a suitable photo on Commons that you could use. Don't know, just trying to help :-). --jjron (talk) 14:42, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Fully agree with jk. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 13:26, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep big enough and good enough. I'm not sure how much a larger version would help but I see no reason to delist. gren グレン 11:58, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. It's perfectly legitimate to vote "delist" without proposing a replacement. Thisglad clearly wasn't offering a replacement, simply that he thought that a better version could be produced. Pstuart84 Talk 15:35, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • And it is perfectly valid to question the purpose of an exercise that clearly is not improving the encyclopaedia, but instead wasting contributors' time. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 19:12, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • (1) If you think it's wasting contributors' time, no-one's forcing them to join in; (2) you can question the purpose but it seemed like you were harassing thisglad for a perfectly reasonable delist vote; and (3) you say it's not improving the encyclopaedia, but the delist process serves to raise the average quality of the collection of featured pictures. There's been quite a bit of goading by users on FPC lately when the spirit can and should be positive and constructive. Pstuart84 Talk 20:37, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Are you saying they shouldn't join Wikipedia? Are you asking people to leave? Or are you saying we should just abandon the community spirit and leave all the delisting to you, while others slave away trying to create content, that you, our Fuehrer, consider good enough? Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 21:14, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • Can we retain some perspective here please? I don't think WP:CIVIL is a bad place to start and this Führer stuff is pretty inflammatory. You throw around bold assertions like "an exercise that clearly is not improving the encyclopedia" and resort to cheap insults when someone takes issue with the claim. Pstuart84 Talk 22:14, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
            • I'm sorry, you're being very keen to defend a questionable practice that you are one of the main protagonists of. You should have expected questions about your behaviour to be raised, especially when you suggest that people should entirely abandon the thin veil that some people mistake for democracy around here. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 10:23, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
              • Could you please identify the "questionable practice" that you say I'm engaged in and my "behaviour" about which you say questions need to be raised? Perhaps you could provide some diffs? Pstuart84 Talk 10:55, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
                • Your main effort at FPC is directed at demoting images. It seems that you feel elevated when you can find a flaw in something someone else has done. Let me tell you, that kind of attitude is highly injurious. Every time you nominate an image for delisting, a content contributor gets hurt, gets upset, and may end up hating you and others expressing support for the motion. Some of these people will reduce their efforts in content creation. In addition to that, some of those who expressed opinions in favour of an image at its original nomination may feel that the effort they took in judging the image and coming to a balanced judgement is being overturned. Add to that all the people participating in previous delist discussions, if there are any. The individuals contributing to this project are about the only resource that we have. You diss their work, you kill the project. Think about it. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 13:49, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
                  • Well we got there in the end. If you think my main effort here is delisting images, then you should look at 2 years worth of contributions, rather than what you've seen in the three months you've been here. There's nothing wrong with engaging in the delist process - standards change and images can be delisted without anyone's feelings being hurt (and there's certainly no intent to hurt feelings). Indeed, you've voted to delist images in the past: [5], [6]. It's part of the project and noone deserves to be harassed and insulted for taking part. Pstuart84 Talk 14:42, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment While the specific mechanical issues referenced here are valid (SVG format and resolution), the picture is also listed because of the concept of the image; what it teaches and illustrates. Though I was put off by the insult F-word above, I agree with the spirit of PLW's argument here. Critique takes vastly less energy than creation. It must be done with a great deal of care and consideration and concrete arguments. If you review your contributions to the 'pedia, you might reconsider your focus if you see that MOST of your energy is going toward reducing the offerings vs. increasing them. This is a vast resource for the large community of educators who rely on right-free imagery, for instance, and even marginal work serves a public good. Now let's wrap this discussion and go out and BUILD STUFF! (image creator) jk (talk) 16:12, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
 
Completed tracheotomy:
1 - Vocal cords
2 - Thyroid cartilage
3 - Cricoid cartilage
4 - Tracheal cartilages
5 - Balloon cuff
  • Delist This should be a SVG diagram with text labels. It wouldn't be difficult for someone to make vast improvements on. Cacophony (talk) 22:11, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • My goal in using the numbers was to allow for easier localization. Is it better practice to require the editors in other languages to dig into the image file itself to translate? (The image creator) jk (talk) 05:08, 1 June 2008 (UTC) Here is another example of this technique:[reply]
  • Delist If this was being nominated for FPC now, rather than as a delist, I am 99% certain that it would get unanimous opposes, citing the low resolution and dithering. Apart from that, one of the questions I ask myself when looking at FPCs is, "Would I be disappointed if I saw this as picture of the day on the main page?" (I know it's not one of the official criteria, but it is useful). In this case, I'm afraid the answer is a definite yes. Compare it to something like Image:Personal computer, exploded 6.svg which has been nominated above and seems to be going for not featured (0 Support, 3 Oppose). Time3000 (talk) 16:46, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Apparently still falls under the best WP has to offer and still an adequately good image to be featured. Cat-five - talk 03:48, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kept MER-C 08:49, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rolling thunder cloud

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Rolling thunder cloud
Reason
Definitely no longer meets the size requirements and not a very impressive picture.
Nominator
Crassic! (talk)
Previous nominations
1, 2

Kept MER-C 08:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Plant cell structure-en.svg

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Plant cell svg diagram with Golgi body out of nowhere.
Reason
THE Golgi bodies in this cell appears to be doing nothing, however, this is a highly specific subcellular organelle that processes important substances for the cell, obtaining them initially from the ER and detaching vesicles to send them to the plasma membrane. There's more to it than this, but this Golgi appears to be getting proteins from the vacuole and modifying them to be sent to the nucleus? Or maybe it is getting stuff from the rER around the nucleus and sending it to the vacuole, but the Golgi vesicles don't appear to be coming from the ER? It's hard to tell, but it's not Golgi that's going on. The Golgi needs to be accurate, cause this cell won't live.
Nominator
Blechnic (talk)
  • Delist — Blechnic (talk) 09:58, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep — There seems to be nothing wrong with this image other than the fact that it is a static image. Sure, the real organelles will be active and moving in a real cell, but this cannot be accurately depicted in a static two dimensional system. Perhaps if we had a diagram that depicted this, it would be beneficial to the project, just as this image is.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 09:44, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • No, sorry, that's not correct, the Golgi body does not gather substances from the vacuole, but rather takes proteins from the rough Endoplastic Reticulum, processes them further, then distributes them in Golgi vessicleen towards the plasma membrane. This cell has a Golgi body gathering proteins from the vacuole, and no matter how hard the vacuole tries it simply does not have the machinery of the rough ER, namely, that which makes it rough: ribosomes. It's a matter of biology, this cell diagram is a diagram of a non-functioning cell. This second diagram that I added below, for example, is a diagram of a cell with a functioning Golgi apparatus that can actually do that which is necessary for the cell to function: make proteins. All the original research and lack of biology in the world won't save this cell and bring it to life. Also, static cells are a function of the medium, flat screen, there's plenty of room for a biologically accurate cell diagram. --Blechnic (talk) 10:13, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • But, again, you are again discussing the technical limitations of the image. It is not illustrating any processes. It is illustrating the general placement of the organelles of the plant cell. Any description of a process would be covered in the Golgi body article or the rough endoplasmic reticulum article. As far as I can see, the Golgi body is near both forms of the endoplasmic reticulum and the vaculole. I can see nothing wrong with this image based on what I see on the below image. Even though the below image is of an animal cell and not a plant cell.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 10:27, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • No, I'm not discussing the processes, I am discussing the location of the Golgi body in this particular diagram, which makes it a cell without a functioning Golgi body. Organelles do not occur in just any location in a cell, they often occur in functionally specific locations. The Golgi body in this cell is in a non-functioning location with its cis-face, which should be closest of the two faces to the rough ER, facing a vacuole. This means, that for this particular cell illustration, newly formed proteins from the rough ER that need further processing in the cisternae of the Golgi apparatus, have nowhere to go. However, proteins formed in the vacuole are ready set to go to enter the cis-face of this cell's single Golgi, except for the fact that proteins in a cell are not formed in the vacuole. The cell below has the cis-face of the Golgi facing the rough ER. The trans-face of the plant cell's Golgi appears to be facing the smooth ER, but that hardly matters since it's processing proteins built in the vacuole. It's a simple matter of biology: the biology is wrong. --Blechnic (talk) 10:43, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • So this is just the orientation of the Golgi bodies. Seems to be a minor issue.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 11:37, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
            • Actually, it's a major issue, it kills the cell. However it is a fixable issue, but it has to be fixed, and until then, it should be delisted as a FP, and, removed from articles: it gives false information. Encyclopedias should at least have the basic facts straight, and proteins are some pretty basic and important facts to living things. --Blechnic (talk) 11:43, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
 
Living cell with functioning Golgi body that can find a ribosome.
  • Keep Just as Ryulong said. It's an excellent introductory illustration. General illustrations of this sort cannot possibly illustrate every single process happening within the cell (there are thousands of those). This illustration is among the best we have, of any subject. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 10:10, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • It doesn't have to illustrate the process. This image is illustrating, however, a process that doesn't take place. If it's going to illustrate any processes, it should illustrate biological processes, not non-biological processes, or the positions of the organelles after the cell dies. These choices serve no purpose. --Blechnic (talk) 10:14, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • I think you need to be more accurate w.r.t. how this illustration would be improved. What is your complaint? That the Golgi has the wrong orientation? Or that the vesicles are the wrong colour? Because I don't even see how you can tell where the vesicles are going. And comparing an animal cell to a plant cell is not necessarily helpful. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 10:27, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • You argue so forcefully to keep, it's a bit hard to understand what is going on. Quite simply the Golgi body takes proteins from the rough ER (ribosomes) and processes them further, then sends them out in the Golgi vessicles to other locations in the cell. The cis-face of the Golgi is the face facing the rough ER, and is often convex in shape. This is where proteins from the rough ER enter the Golgi for further, methodical, direction specific processing in the ciseternae of the Golgi, from the rough ER, to the Golgi intermediate/tubulovesicular complex whose vessicles fuse to the cis-face of the Golgi, to the Golgi, through the Golgi medial cisternae, being processed in the stack along the way, to the trans Golgi cisternae, to the trans Golgi network, and often concave face, where they bud off and are sorted for transport within the cell. Biological processes involving proteins are not usually two way streets, and the Golgi apparatus isn't a two way street or a random street. A simple diagram of a cell will show none of this, but it should not have the Golgi in a biologically non-functional location. It doesn't matter whether it's an animal or plant cell showing a Golgi for a simplified cell diagram. The animal cell has serious issues, also, but it's Golgi is biologically functional. The plant cell is dead. And the very least that should be shown is a diagram attempting to represent a living cell, not a cell with artifacts of death, only used in encyclopedias and biology texts when it is cell death that is being discussed. --Blechnic (talk) 10:58, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • I very much doubt that cells ever die because their Golgi body gets misaligned. But be that as it may, it seems your problem can be solved by moving the vacuole out of the way, which is a trivial thing to do. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 13:03, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
            • No, the Golgi has to face the rough ER! The vacuole's not the problem. And, yes, the majority of cells, at least cells with all the parts in this diagram, do make proteins their entire lives. Please, just grab an introductory biology text and look at the plant and animal cell diagrams in it, the labeled ones. --Blechnic (talk) 13:09, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
              • This seems to be becoming a very tedious discussion. Why don't you make what changes you need to the image, and present it as a replacement candidate? Inkscape is your friend. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 13:38, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
                • I'm not an illustrator. It will have to be done by someone else. What's tedious? You don't seem to know much about the Golgi apparatus and are offering suggestions and voting without this knowledge. Maybe that's what's tedious. --Blechnic (talk) 13:45, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
                  • I'm not interested in a pissing match. My !vote is up there. Be bold. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 13:53, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
                  • Yes, apparently based on limited biological knowledge, whereas I'm simply going by the lack of biological accuracy, something that should matter in an encyclopedia. Too bad for the readers this isn't true, and a pretty picture is good enough. Pictures shouldn't be original research and creative interpretations, they should be clear and accurate diagrams of what they're supposed to represent. I'm not surprised to have folks vote based on it being a pretty diagram, as that was what I expected when I first pointed out how many of these biological diagrams are inaccurate: that putting them up for delisting would result in their becoming permanent crap on Wikipedia. --Blechnic (talk) 13:59, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, duh, that's exactly what I'm doing, bringing it to the attention of someone who can fix it. I've notified the illustrator, and its appearance here may attract more attention. Until then, it needs to stop appearing on the featured picture pages, where it merely shows that Wikipedians don't care what their images show as long as they're purty. --Blechnic (talk) 14:44, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Blechnic, since you seem to be talking about a request for improvement, rather than a delist, please move this image to Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/Images_to_improve - we are always ready to help. Please provide us with a detailed list of the changes you would like to see in this image. For example, tell us where the vesicles should be positioned to be technically accurate, if you want to imply movement, we may be able to imply it with shadows. Please be as clear and detailed as possible, sticking to terms and labels that are already in the image. See you there. Dhatfield (talk) 20:48, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Okay, I posted it there. I still think it doesn't belong in any articles in its current state. Movement isn't necessary, it can be what it's trying to be: a simplified static cell diagram. There is room in all kinds of learning for diagrams of this nature. But it can't simplify an important component to a nonfunctioning position, that's all. --Blechnic (talk) 21:07, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. First of all, it is in no way illustrated that the golgi apparatus is gathering proteins from the vacuole. This is only inferred from the diagram. At any rate, this minor quibble is not substantial enough to delist this image. If you would like it corrected, why don't you contact LadyofHats, the creator of the image? NauticaShades 00:56, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've contacted LadyofHats, who doesn't generally correct her biological images. She still has tons of bacteria in foreign languages which include an artifact of fixation, and quite a number of her cellular ultrastructure images have glaring and obvious problems that only serve to make Wikipedia look incompetent. You're the ones who said I should bring up problematic images. The Golgi can't gather proteins from the vacuol, so of course it's not doing that. And if you're here to certify that biologically inaccurate images on the front page of Wikipedia is fine, then so be it. After all, inaccuracy hardly interferes with encyclopedic value, now, does it? So, here I am pointing out problems,, and it seems that, yes, biological inaccuracies or failures don't impact the encyclopedic value of images. --Blechnic (talk) 14:28, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Look, all I'm saying is that these images are the best we've got. If you can procure better free images, then by all means do so. Unfortunately, I doubt this is possible. On the other hand, you are right about the inaccuracy of the image question, and it is good that you have brought the issue up. Nevertheless, a delist nomination is not really the best place for a correction. The graphic labs or the creator might address the issue more competently. I realize that you have made the problem known at these places, but that doesn't change the fact that I believe that the error is not enough for delisting the image. You have pointed out that this image will be on the front page for all to see, but keep in mind that Wikipedia:Featured Pictures and Wikipedia:Picture of the Day are different projects. If you truly believe this image should never be featured on the front page in its current state, then talk to someone like Howcheng, who I think is quite active in WP:POTD. NauticaShades 15:28, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Essentially you're saying to me, if we have a picture of a Crotalus ruber and post it in the taxobox for the Crotalus scutulatus scutulatus that's okay because it's the best picture of a southwestern rattlesnake we have. It's not okay for this picture to be used on Wikipedia, nor for many other cellular ultrastructure pictures by this illustrator--they're original research, not biology. "Best we have" doesn't make it good enough for Wikipedia--and this is a damn hard point to get across when it comes to images. These should not be promoted without review by a biologist, probably not uploaded without prior review due to the nature of the problems. And it's irritating that I have to try to explain this issue to people who don't really understand the issue but are voting against me, anyhow. That's pretty much the wiki way on knowledge, though. --Blechnic (talk) 22:10, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

*Delist -- factually inaccurate images should not be featured. This obvious truth has been codified in featured picture criterion six, which provides that a featured picture

Is accurate. It is supported by facts in the article or references cited on the image page, or is from a source noted for its accuracy. It is not created to propose new original research, such as unpublished ideas or arguments.

Since the inaccuracy of the image has been effectively conceded, it should be delisted until such time as it can be corrected. John254 01:11, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep and change policy since voting began this image has gone through two edits at the Graphics Lab and is now, to within the limits of what can be implied in such a diagram, accurate. I propose that all delist candidate images should go through a mandatory edit phase by either the Graphics Lab or the original author at the delist nominator's instigation having a minimum duration of two days, prior to nomination for FP delist. In the case that the image is irreparable, the relevant Graphist would be obliged to second the delisting on those grounds. A 'Delist nomination pending' category would assist this process. Dhatfield (talk) 10:11, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • The image as it now stands is what it originally attempted to be, a simplified diagram of a plant cell. Other editors accused me of being too picky, I could really pick a lot apart on this diagram, but what I asked for was simply a diagram that idealized all aspects of the cell at the same level, and the prior orientation of the Golgi body made it a random organelle thrown in the cell. I'm not and wasn't asking it to be perfect. Sending to Graphics lab first would have been fine. The original author does not appear to be willing to correct her mistakes, so this would not have worked. She was, however, notified. Thanks, Dhatfield, for the good work. --Blechnic (talk) 16:15, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kept . --John254 21:17, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Golf Bunker Shot

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Original - blurry image of man in sand
Reason
it doesn't meet the criteria
Articles this image appears in
golf, Golf course
Creator
Fcb981

Kept MER-C 10:36, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]



Sunspot_TRACE.jpeg

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Sunspot captured by NASA's TRACE spacecraft
Reason
There are 2 reasons for delisting this image. Firstly, this image does not meet the current size requirements for FPC and secondly the technical quality of this image is poor.
Previous nomination/s
Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Sunspot TRACE
Nominator
Seddσn talk Editor Review

Kept MER-C 10:03, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Village of Passchendaele

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Aerial view of the village of Passchendaele before and after the Third Battle of Ypres, 1917.
Reason
Well below minimum size requirements at 500 × 674 pixels, file size: 290 KB. A 2004 promotion that's rightfully rated a Valued Image at Commons, but just isn't up to technical standards we expect of featured material. Although before/after aerial photography from this period is unusual, higher resolution imagery of World War I devastation isn't too hard to locate.
Previous nomination/s
Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/October-2004#Village_of_Passchendaele
Nominator
DurovaCharge!
  •  
    Lille; 3,435 × 2,241 pixels, file size: 5.69 MB
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    French woman returns to find her home a heap of ruins; 3,200 × 4,096 pixels, file size: 4.83 MB
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    Étain; 3,037 × 715 pixels, file size: 1.63 MB
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    Richecourt; 2,626 × 703 pixels, file size: 1.37 MB
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    American Army field hospital, 1918; 1,536 × 1,216 pixels, file size: 820 KB

You asked for 'em. Now you restore 'em. DurovaCharge! 07:05, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

None of these would even be mentioned in 10,000 years, while school children will still be studying the Battle of Passchendaele as the history of warfare in the 20th century as long as there are literate humans on this planet. This pair of images, as I said above, has the greatest encyclopedic value of any FP I have seen on Wikipedia thus far. I have to go with Janke, until you get a higher resolution version of this image, or something that tops it, or is even in the same ball park, I can't see delisting this image. It's encyclopedic value simply trumps anything wrong with it. PS The one on Verdun would be worth restoring, though, for its EV, should anyone have the inclination. Good find. --Blechnic (talk) 16:03, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
 
Ypres, 1919; 1,631 × 711 pixels, file size: 737 KB.

Would you like coaching in archival search techniques, Blechnic? DurovaCharge! 17:19, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the offer Durova. Archival searches can be a lot of work. I am a professional researcher, though, so I'll decline but thank you for the generous offer. --Blechnic (talk) 05:35, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Very powerful image, I'd like to see a higher rez version before we delist this one. Clegs (talk) 16:00, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Hey Durova. Are there larger versions of these files that you have found? I'm willing to give up a hand at restoring these images. A larger size would help a lot more. If there isn't an alternative just leave me a message on my tyalk page and I'll be happy to clean up and restore images that you feel are worthy of FPC or current FP that are in bad shape. victorrocha | Talk 20:14, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well, any of these would be a technical improvement over the current featured picture. The Library of Congress has several others of comparable quality already available and would generate more and better scans for a fee. It's been four years since this image was promoted and online archives have come a long way in that time. Wikipedia's featured content standards have risen and we've been defeaturing older ones of this size and quality. Blechnic's first post to this nomination states that this isn't competition for a before and after image of Battle of Passchendaele. Well all right; here are six superior files ready for restoration. Featured picture removals don't customarily carry any expectation of replacement: if something better is available that's well and good, but the question is whether the candidate meets current FP standards. This particular one is typical of what we've been delisting lately. DurovaCharge! 22:26, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • If we've delisted anything in the vicinity of this image, we were 100% wrong. This picture should not, under any circumstances, be delisted as a featured picture, in my opinion, because, as I've said before, it's encyclopedic value trumps any other FP I've seen ever on Wikipedia. It's a powerful image. Worth a thousand times a thousand words. None of the other images offered up are anywhere in the ballpark. Just to be clear, Durova, I only commented about alternatives because you include that in your delisting nomination, that high res WWI images are otherwise available. This simply isn't just an image. If it is available for higher resolution for a fee, e-mail me the information and I will pay the fee for a file for Wikipedia. This image is priceless. --Blechnic (talk) 03:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • I know what you mean some of these pictures are quite small and the details are lost. If there are important pictures it would probably be best to restore them. Delisting is not too big of a deal however, It's just removing a tag not deleting the picture. If the picture is significant though I would like to help. I'll try my hand at the nominations you made in due time. victorrocha | Talk 04:10, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Precedent has it that size should not be the sole consideration in a delist nomination. This image is incredibly powerful and encyclopedic, so I think it deserves it's place as an FP. Besides, none of the other images proposed are as informative or effective. NauticaShades 23:34, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. By the way, if anyone is willing to spend ₤7.50, they can purchase the image from the Imperial War Museum. NauticaShades 23:54, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • What is the resolution on the image from the Imperial War Museum? Is it significantly greater than the one we have already? (I'm a little busy for searching for information right now. Basically, is it worth it? I'll buy it if it is.) --Blechnic (talk) 05:35, 31 July 2008 (UTC) --Blechnic (talk) 05:35, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • I was joking a little in my comment, but if you want to purchase it, go right ahead. I don't know what resolution they have, I suppose you'd have to email them to find out. If you did buy it, they'd probably send you a physical copy. Do you have a good scanner? NauticaShades 20:56, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep until a better version of this image is found. Enc. value is much too high to give in to the size requirement. — BRIAN0918 • 2008-07-31 14:28Z
  • Keep Aerial before-and-after portraits weren't exactly bountiful in World War I. Shii (tock) 20:37, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist Although I agree that this has the potential to be a very valuable and interesting image, I can't see how it is useful in its present state. The top image shows some roads, some fields and what looks like some buildings. The bottom image shows nothing. In my opinion, the sentence "Some villages were completely destroyed by bombing." is just as useful. Mahahahaneapneap (talk) 01:43, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm pretty sure the nothing in the bottom image is the whole point of it. In fact, it is. The sentence you use about "some villages were completely destroyed by bombing" is only used by you, so I'm not sure why you're saying it, then saying it's awful. If you don't say it, it's not necessary to discredit your own words. --Blechnic (talk) 02:00, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • My point is that it doesn't contribute much to any article. Criterion 5 is "Adds value to an article and helps readers to understand an article." I fail to see how a picture showing nothing is better than simply saying it. It definitely is not "worth a thousand words" when I can describe the image perfectly and in its entirety in just a few sentences. Mahahahaneapneap (talk) 02:12, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • I disagree so strongly on this that I don't see how the two of discussing it will reach common ground--which is cool. Most other editors posting here thus far see it my way, also, though, that the image of destruction is far more powerful than simply the words. There were other villages destroyed in wars in the twentieth century. Some of them are known only for the visual impacts they have made through art or photography. I think it's human nature to want to see the destruction for yourself, which is why we have war books including almost no text, just images. --Blechnic (talk) 02:26, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist. There is no doubt that the events of Passchendaele were extremely important, and it would be wonderful to have a FP of the subject. This is a moving image, IMHO. However, the encyclopedic value of illustrating the destruction in this image is not particularly outstanding (it would be in the absence of other works), and the quality and size are well below what we accept, even taking into consideration the time and circumstances. Mostlyharmless (talk) 00:24, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kept MER-C 12:28, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hawaii Turtle

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Green turtle (Chelonia mydas), Hawai'i, USA.
Reason
There is a similar image, currently a FA candidate, of higher quality, greater encyclopedic value and higher resolution.
Previous nomination/s
Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Hawaii turtle 2.jpg; Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/delist/Hawaii turtle
Nominator
J.T Pearson (talk)
  • Delist — J.T Pearson (talk) 16:55, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist After that image that was taken by me, user OhanaUnited, I took few better IMO images of the same subject. The one is nominated to get FP status above. The second one, which I like better, if of course user OhanaUnited will allow to me like one of my own images better than the other one of my own images, is this one  . It is of a higher resolution and IMO the background is better than in current FP. Please do not worry, if this current FP get delisted and a new one does not get promoted. After all FP is represented by quite a few images of the same common insects and two almost identicla images of Hong Kong, which IMO will compensate for not having an image of an endangered green turtle taken in their natural habitat. Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 17:48, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I simply disagree that the newly nominated image is of higher quality (despite being shot with a better camera), and this one still meets the FP criteria. In terms of composition, it's no contest; this is by far the better shot.--ragesoss (talk) 18:51, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per ragesoss. This has much better composition and is simply much nicer to look at, particularly because the whole shell is underwater and visible! Once again, no contest. Intothewoods29 (talk) 16:24, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The encyclopedic angle of this picture is soo much better than the current FP nomination. The candidate looks like a snapshot with the subject cut off. This one meets criteria perfectly by today's standards. victorrocha (talk) 19:34, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I agree that it is much better than the current nomination.--Avala (talk) 20:47, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Per victorrocha. Let's say these both images are printed on an encyclopedia with the same dimension, I would say that this delisting candidate is better. --Base64 (talk) 23:30, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The new candidate is not better, and at any rate, the fact that there is another candidate of the same subject is not a valid reason to delist this one. Clegs (talk) 15:12, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kept MER-C 10:28, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The School of Athens

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The School of Athens painting - not the originally promoted version though, which was deleted as a copyvio
Reason
This is a curly one. The promoted image has been deleted as a copyright violation - see here for example, and also the Commons log. Somehow a low res version of the image now exists here (I don't know how it's not a copyright vio as well, there's something about it being non-Vatican I think), but it's below standard size requirements, is no longer in any articles, and has been removed from all FP galleries, e.g., here (though it does have the FP tag on the actual image, and the FP count still includes it). I'm inclined towards official delist due to its highly questionable status.
Previous nomination/s
Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/school of athens (though perhaps this version of the nom is more informative).
Nominator
jjron (talk)

Kept - concerns addressed. --jjron (talk) 08:57, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Obama Portrait 2006.jpg

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Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 8 Sep 2010 at 22:38:15 (UTC)

 
Barack Obama
Reason
This image, while striking, is used only in Barack Obama economic policy, where its EV is not clear. Yes, a portrait has clear EV in the article on the subject, but it was decided a while ago by the editors of the article that this image did not have a place there, and the official portrait now leads. This was taken during a speech that is related to the subject matter of the article in which it is used, but that does not mean that the image automatically has EV- all this seems to be adding to the article is decoration, and decoration is not enough to justify a picture being featured.
Articles this image appears in
Barack Obama economic policy
Previous nomination/s
Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Obama Portrait 2006 trimmed.jpg, Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/delist/Image:Obama Portrait 2006 trimmed.jpg
Nominator
J Milburn (talk)

Kept --Makeemlighter (talk) 00:06, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

NGC 602

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NGC 602 is the designation for a particular young, bright open cluster of stars located in the Small Magellanic Cloud, a satellite galaxy to our own Milky Way. Radiation and shock waves from the star cluster has pushed away much of the lighter surrounding gas and dust that compose the nebula known as N90, and this in turn has triggered new star formation in the ridges (or "elephant trunks") of the nebula. These even younger stars are still enshrouded in dust but are visible to the Spitzer Space Telescope at infrared wavelengths. A number of other, more distant galaxies also appear in the background of the image.
 
Proposed replacement
Reason
I really hate to do this, but this image is really not that fantastic. It's not FP material, and even while it was at FPC it was doubted that it would pass. Low quality, should be replaced with better quality edit.
Previous nomination/s
Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/NGC 602
Nominator
—Sunday · (Testify!)

* Keep No good reason to delist, wouldn't pass today is a quite frankly crappy reason to nominate an image for delisting especially if you can't back it up with how specifically it fails to achieve the current FPC standards. As a matter of thoroughness I did a second look at it and I see no reason that it should be delisted on technical grounds or anything else. Cat-five - talk 00:02, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Striking at this point since the edit takes care of the noise and the blue glare but at the cost of the entire image being greatly softened so I'm going to withhold a vote on this. Cat-five - talk 01:22, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kept MER-C 10:35, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tulipa suaveolens floriade to Canberra.jpg

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Cultivated tulip at Floriade 2005
Reason
Lack of background diffusion, distracting background elements (including flower that harms clarity of side of focal point flower), therefore I beleive it doesn't meet criteria 1 of FP "Its main subject is in focus, it has good composition and has no highly distracting or obstructing elements."
Previous nomination/s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/Tulip
Nominator
Capital photographer (talk)

Kept MER-C 03:16, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rolling thunder cloud

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A thunderstorm
Reason
Very low resolution, fails number 2 Criteria
Previous nomination/s
Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/August-2004#Rolling_thunder_cloud
Nominator
MakE shout!
please provide some sources that show that the type of cloud depicted in this picture are rare or even uncommon Thisglad (talk) 09:09, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rather awkward to prove a negative - the burden is on someone to show that we can get better. The previous nom included a discussion on this issue (as you know since you contributed to it), with no one able to proffer better, or to be honest anything close to the impact of this, regardless of licensing concerns. --jjron (talk) 13:12, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The low resolution criteria is not enough reason to remove this picture, if not unique it depicts a non very common image with no know substitute so far.--Jf268 (talk) 13:00, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong delist, this simply doesn't meet my FP expectations at all. It's not just low resolution, it fills less than a quarter of my monitor and that doesn't help with being heavily artifacted and not sharp enough. People, we have technical requirements here, and this photograph is nowhere near fulfilling them! It has twice been on the Main Page, one can say that it has done its job already. It may have a bit of a "wow factor", but it's not really unique and it doesn't represent our best work at all. Todor→Bozhinov 18:32, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. It wouldn't pass today, but aside from size it stands up well to current standards. We should respect the judgments of past years' FPC contributors, to a reasonable extent.--ragesoss (talk) 21:27, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kept MER-C 08:12, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strelitzia larger

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Strelitzia larger.jpg
Reason
Great picture at thumb view, but at full the edges are jagged, and it's noisy.
Previous nomination/s
Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/October-2004#Strelitzia
Nominator
Hypershadow647 (talk)

Kept MER-C 07:28, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bridgewater Causeway

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Bridgewater Causeway and Bridgewater Bridge with Granton and Mt Wellington behind.
 
Non cropped version to replace with
Reason
The original version is more asthetically pleasing and gives more context to the bridge location.
Previous nomination/s
Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Bridgewater Bridge
Nominator
Noodle snacks (talk)
I agree with you that the decision looks borderline. There were mentions of problems in the foreground before the crop and votes that didn't get changed after the crop was added. Really this should have been given extra time for consensus during its FP nom. Mfield (talk) 23:38, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I restitched this and uploaded over the original (before the nomination), but the restitch was probably worse. Dschwen later undid it in the german FPC nomination. The grass is better in the reverted version so it isn't entirely the same as the one in the fpc nom. Therefore its probably worth a look since it fixes some of the crop people's complaints. Noodle snacks (talk) 00:05, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No consensus MER-C 23:59, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Farmer plowing

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A farmer plowing with horses.
Reason
The image look really nice, but its quality is not as good as the image has noise.
Previous nomination/s
Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Horse and Plough
Nominator
Diego_pmc Talk

Lunar Roving Vehicle

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Original - Astronaut Eugene A. Cernan, commander, makes a short checkout of the Lunar Roving Vehicle (LRV) during the early part of the first Apollo 17 Extravehicular Activity (EVA-1) at the Taurus-Littrow landing site. This view of the "stripped down" LRV is prior to loading up. Equipment later loaded onto the LRV included the ground-controlled television assembly, the lunar communications relay unit, hi-gain antenna, low-gain antenna, aft tool pallet, lunar tools and scientific gear.
 
Newest edit
Reason
Cleaned up the original photo, removed some scratch like articfacts, crosses, improved colour, reduced blown white. In my opinion, the new version is superior in quality and would like to delist and replace the original.
Previous nomination/s
Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/NASA Apollo 17 Lunar Roving Vehicle
Nominator
Seddσn talk
I have removed 3 additional crosshairs. Seddσn talk 20:01, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delist and replace I still encourage you to try to get more scratches out, but it's clearly superior to the original.--HereToHelp (talk to me) 03:23, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kept MER-C 08:34, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Replaced

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Bird beaks named

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To be delisted.
 
Replace with this please.
Reason
Because an earlier version of Image:BirdBeaksA.svg was had items numbered rather than labelled, the herewith nominated image was made an FP to replace the numbered version. However, Shyamal subsequently uploaded an more comprehensive and labelled version at the original place, Image:BirdBeaksA.svg. Since the original concerns have been addressed, and the new version is more comprehensive than Jeff Dahl's branch of it, the trunk should now replace the temporal branch (I hope you can follow) as to FP status. Separa (talk) 16:13, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator
Separa (talk)

Replaced MER-C 02:14, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mustard Edit

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  • Versions
  •  
    Edit Noise reduction and lightening of background
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    Edit 2 Noise reduction only
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    Unedited Version
Reason
OK in the interests of transparency as per discussion here I'll do a renom. Note this version had already been promoted over the original by MER-C, however this got reverted because some users felt the original had the majority of support in the original nom. So just to make it clear to everyone this picture is already a FP and this nomination is only here to choose between the versions - if you don't think this image should be an FP you'll need to nominate it for delisting
Articles this image appears in
Mustard (condiment) (if promoted)
Creator
Rainer Zenz edited by Fir0002
  • Speedy Replace with Edit Obvious improvement Fir0002 09:39, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The edit has reduced noise, but I prefer the shading in the original. The edit looks more flat and edited than the original does, and the noise is only in the white background, so doesn't effect the actual subject much. Is there a way to reduce the noise but keep the shading the same. At the moment I think I prefer the original over the edit because of this. Chris_huhtalk 12:01, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - As far as I know this is not the right place to propose a replacement. And the FP is the original, not the edited version, otherwise nothing of this makes sense -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 13:27, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support original, Oppose edit - The original should have been promoted, not the edit. People may vote in an seemingly inconsistent fashion, but that's no reason to promote an edit that people didn't really consider. -- RM 20:14, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    The original IS FP, now this edit is done, which is why we vote here, and since the edit is better, Support Edit Yzmo talk 21:28, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Re: RM "there's no reason to promote an edit that people didn't really consider"... that's entirely the point of this nomination. Consider the edit now! What should/shouldn't have happened is entirely irrelevant --Fir0002 22:40, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    I'll admit, I don't know if there is still controversy over this issue, but I prefer the original. Comparing them at the same magnification, I prefer the original's level of contrast. -- RM 23:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment/Weak oppose for the moment - the lightening in the edit seems to have caught the edges of some of the mustards where they come near to or over the edge of the spoon - most obviously the very tip of the bottom left mustard has gone grey-green; less obviously so have the top-left and bottom-right edges of the middle right mustard, and very marginally the top-left of the top-right mustard. I appreciate this is a tricky task, and the error is by no means huge; but perhaps enough at the moment to make me marginally prefer the original, as the shading and noise reduction only affect the background so don't affect encyclopedicity, whereas the errors affect the subject. If these things can be fixed I do marginally prefer the new shading, and getting rid of the background noise is good. TSP (talk) 00:15, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support Edit 2, second preference original - as I say, I'd be happy with the lightening, but the colour alteration to the edges of some of the mustards isn't worth it. TSP (talk) 14:10, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Replace with Edit (as done in original promotion, and as is standard practice to promote an obviously improved version of an image). --jjron (talk) 07:14, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Edit 2, second preference original as per TSP. Samsara (talk • contribs) 18:55, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Replace with Edit. Better version. Kaldari (talk) 00:48, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Edit 2 - Just barely...the lightened one is too much change. pschemp | talk 05:19, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Edit 1 --Joopercoopers (talk) 15:01, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Replaced with Image:Senf-Variationen edit2.jpg. MER-C 08:06, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]



Big Ben Clock Tower

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Currently featured version to be delisted, but only if...
 
...this reprocessed version replaces the current version.
Reason
In the recent nomination Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Big Ben on blue sky a reprocessed version of the current FP was introduced fairly late in the discussion. Once the new version was introduced there seemed to be a fairly strong consensus, including from the photographer, to replace the current version with the update, however the original was kept. I'm thus proposing a Delist of the current FP to be Replaced with the reprocessed version. Note this is not a discussion to delist the current FP, only to change the version that is featured.
Nominator
jjron (talk)

Replaced MER-C 09:28, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Roman Baths of Bath, England

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Proposed replacement - The Great Bath at the Roman Baths. The entire structure above the level of the pillar bases is a later reconstruction.
 
Current FP as reference
Reason
Firstly, yes, this is already a FP, but I was never really happy with the sky (too pale and slightly purple), the colour of the water (too green) or the contrast. I've been going through some of my old work and improving on it where possible, putting more time into it and using new techniques. I think I've been able to improve significantly on the colour reproduction and contrast of this shot. I'm not sure what we eventually decided last time this issue was raised, but I'm proposing that if this version is supported, we replace the old FP with it. From memory, consensus seemed to point towards doing it all within this nomination, but I'm not fussed.

For the record, the original nomination is here.

Oh, and rather than adding a new image, I've overwritten the original image that was not promoted (an edit was eventually promoted). I noticed that Mediawiki seems to be displaying the old thumbnail still. Be sure to load the full image to compare. It should be visibly different, probably even from the thumbnail.

Articles this image appears in
None as yet, but thecurrent FP is in Tourism, Aquae Sulis, Bath and North East Somerset, Thermae, Roman Baths (Bath) and History of Somerset.
Creator
User:Diliff

Replaced with Image:Roman Baths in Bath Spa, England - July 2006.jpg. MER-C 05:12, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]



Colibri thalassinus

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Current FP image.
 
The edited version.
Reason
I would like to replace the image to the edited version. The original image is too tight crop.
Nominator
Laitche

(UTC)

Replaced with Image:Colibri-thalassinus-001-edit.jpg. MER-C 12:21, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nuclear weapon

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Simple depiction of a nuclear weapon
 
SVG version
 
SVG with English labels v. 2
 
SVG with English labels v. 3 (also/formerly named v5)
Reason
Fails size requirement, not very informative (and SVG preferred).
Nominator
Pstuart84 Talk
As for the question of the elements being in the reversed order, for an encyclopedia in my opinion it doesn't matter, but amongst purists they now think (as of only a few years ago) that the elements go in the reverse order than the original. See the Little Boy article for more information. --Fastfission (talk) 22:55, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Repaced with Image:Gun-type fission weapon en-labels thin lines.svg. MER-C 08:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mercury

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Existing FP
 
Proposed replacement
 
Edit1 by jjron; cropped version of proposed replacement
Reason
A larger, color version of the same image is now available. Original nominator notified.
Nominator
howcheng {chat}

Replaced with Image:Mercury in color - Prockter07-edit1.jpg. MER-C 03:48, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sleeping koala

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Original - Koalas have a slow metabolism and sleep for most of the day.
 
Existing FP - for comparison.
Reason
High resolution encyclopedic image. Supplements existing koala FP Image:Koala climbing tree.jpg by showing the species at sleep in a well-composed shot.
Articles this image appears in
koala
Creator
Sanjay ach
  • Support as nominator --DurovaCharge! 21:19, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support Excellent image! This is highly focused and highly encyclopedic. I just love the detail in the fur. Elephantissimo (talk) 21:28, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: per Commons:Aww, aint it cute...... Dendodge .. TalkHelp 21:42, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support large, technically sound image which is is a good illustration of what the animal spends most of its time doing. Slightly blown areas (or is it my monitor?) on the arm don't detract. Guest9999 (talk) 22:07, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support Very nice, catchy image, with lots of details of the koala, fur, claws, varying textures, depth, in a typical activity. Did you pay it for the pose? --Blechnic (talk) 23:08, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Everyone seems to be rather overlooking this almost identical existing FP. Now there's no rule about not having two FPs of the same topic, but when they're this similar? Can I suggest this should have been done as a "Delist and Replace", especially given the existing one seems to have been dumped from all articles? --jjron (talk) 04:36, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I like them both. Why was the other one, which shows more of the face, dumped from all articles? --Blechnic (talk) 04:38, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Who knows? You'd have to go back through the histories, and maybe find a reason. I notice Durova replaced another picture with her nomination in the article here just before nominating, and quite likely someone else replaced the existing FP with the one Durova replaced. Incidentally, the one Durova replaced was put up for FPC last July - see Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Koala sleeping. --jjron (talk) 04:50, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • This image is better than the one it replaced in the article, which is appropriate, but that's kinda sideways to the question of why the other FP, so similar to this one, is still a FP, but has been removed from articles. Koals are, imo, just too damn cute. And these pictures take the cake. But, they are similar enough that there should only be one or the other, and while the one is right now a FP, this second should not be nominated, or the nomination should be a choice of which one. --Blechnic (talk) 05:23, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Shouldn't this be a replace nomination? I don't see how one of these two possibly has any additional EV over the other, as they're exactly the same pose, against the same background. And in reply to jjron, yes there is a rule. A picture must add value to an article. If two pictures are the same, one of them doesn't add value. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 18:19, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Generally I agree with this, the pictures are just too close for both to be in an article, and for both to be FP is not possible. I like the claws in the current nomination, but like the face in the current FP. I don't care which one is it, but there has to be just one. Durova, I think this needs withdrawn, then decide how to handle it. I vote support for whichever cute as hell sleeping koala is nominated. --Blechnic (talk) 18:36, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Maybe we should keep in mind that one of them is already an FP and doesn't need to be renominated. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 18:52, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • That'a correct, that's why i think Durova needs to simply withdraw this one to start with. If he/she then wants to nominate the second one that can be done, along with withdrawing the existing one, but this FPC should be stopped, until some decision is made. --Blechnic (talk) 00:32, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • As I pointed out originally there's no rule to not have two FPs of the same topic (or in this case three, given the Diliff one that Durova originally linked to), but these two are rather too similar and should not both be featured. That being said they are not both illustrating the same article (one is illustrating no articles), but it is possible they could both be featured if they both successfully illustrated different articles. --jjron (talk) 14:49, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Replacement - the background of the nomination is more natural. Cacophony (talk) 21:43, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, it looks like the lesson of this nomination is to let sleeping koalas lie! If I'd realized we already had a sleeping koala FP I would have started this differently. Apologies there. The proposed version is about ten times the file size of the current FP. So I'll follow whatever is the most advisable course: move this to delist/replace? Suspend this nom for a delist vote? To any bold admin who wanders by, here's your chance to be bold. I pre-approve any reasonable solution you think of. :) DurovaCharge! 01:25, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I also hereby pre-approve any workable solution that makes the issue more clear cut, and hereby cast my support vote for whichever cute little koala gets FP status. --Blechnic (talk) 01:40, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Promote and Replace. The image currently undergoing FPC of higher quality and composition than the current FP. NauticaShades 03:08, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Promote and replace. Probably the best way forward for this nom. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 11:36, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Replace The candidate has better background and resolution than the current featured picture. Narayanese (talk) 17:20, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Replaced with Image:Sa-sleeping-koala.JPG . MER-C 04:35, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]



Tristan und Isolde - Original production

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Unrestored version
Reason
Suggest we replace this with the restored version.
 
Restored version
Previous nomination/s
Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/Tristan_und_Isolde
Nominator
Shoemaker's Holiday (talk)

Replaced with Image:Joseph Albert - Ludwig und Malwine Schnorr von Carolsfeld - Tristan und Isolde, 1865f.jpg. --jjron (talk) 08:32, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

9/11

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A New York City fireman calls for 10 more rescue workers to make their way into the rubble of the World Trade Center in New York City.
 
Proposed replacement, without spots.
Reason
The current FP has a few sposts on it. The image has also been replaced at Commons. This alternative was also suggested in the original nomination, but for an unexplained, and seemingly unexplainable reason the one with the spots was promoted instead.
Previous nomination/s
Original nomination
Nominator
Diego_pmc Talk

Replaced with Image:WTC-Fireman requests 10 more colleagues.jpg . MER-C 06:12, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mechanical mouse mechanism diagram

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Original Mouse mechanism combining graphics from Illustrator and Photoshop Effects.
 
SVG with scroller
File:Mouse mechanism diagram wo scroller.svg
SVG without scroller


Reason
now superseded by a superior SVG, PNG no longer appears in any articles, suggest giving featured status to SVG or delist
Previous nomination/s
[original nomination]
Nominator
Thisglad (talk)

Replaced with Image:Mouse_mechanism_diagram.svg . MER-C 03:31, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Citric acid cycle

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Overview of the citric acid cycle
 
Replacement: Up-to-date SVG version used in citric acid cycle
 
Updated 1
Reason
Inaccurate. Oxalosuccinate is only formed in some prokaryotes, and I assume the observed formation of FADH2 was an artifact of early techniques that hydrolysed the membrane-bound enzyme, QH2 is now known to be the product. FAD is misspelt.
Previous nomination/s
Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/citric acid cycle
Nominator
Narayanese (talk)
I changed it to succinic dehydrogenase, as that is unambiguous and I'm not so sure succinate:ubiquinone oxidoreductase is an accepted name (it's a systematic name). Anything else I've missed? Narayanese (talk) 20:05, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's the accepted name per here [12], but more simple and common name is just "mitochondrial complex II." Either way, succinate dehydrogenase is not correct. It doesn't even exist on its own. --AutoGyro (talk) 01:55, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Which version? Image:Citric acid cycle with aconitate 2.svg ("updated 1") is the one that is currently used in citric acid cycle, should I go with that instead? MER-C 05:54, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd go with Citric acid cycle with aconitate 2.svg. Narayanese (talk) 08:53, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Replaced with Image:Citric acid cycle with aconitate 2.svg. MER-C 10:48, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Boulevard du Temple by Daguerre

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Proposed replacement - The Boulevard du Temple was a haunt of Parisian lowlife in 1838 when this very early photograph was taken by Louis Daguerre, probably from the window of his apartment at 5 rue des Marais. The exposure of several minutes has blurred the traffic and the figures with the exception of the man having his boots polished. This image soon became known throughout the world through descriptions in the press marvelling at the kinds of details on show. It was long believed to be the first image of a human figure, but an 1837 image, also attributed to Daguerre, now vies for the title.
 
Existing FP for delisting
Reason
The existing FP of this view should be delisted as it does not specify a source, is of rather low quality, and is not now the best available version. The proposed replacement is of higher resolution, is less contrasty, retains more detail in trees and roadway, is less aggressively sharpened, and has not been cropped at the edges. I have chosen not to restore the image as the damage is part of the historical record and could not be removed without a fair amount of re-creation of obscured parts.
Previous nomination/s
Original FPC nomination: Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Boulevard du Temple.jpg.

The new image caption is sourced from The Photography Book, Phaidon Press, London, 1997 and from the photography section of All-Art.org. It differs from last time as there has since been a later (disputed) claim that Daguerre captured an image of a person a year earlier, in 1837.

Nominator
MichaelMaggs (talk)

Replaced with Image:Boulevard du Temple by Daguerre.jpg . MER-C 06:11, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sun halo optical phenomenon

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Current FP — A halo around the sun (South Pole).
 
Replacement — removed dark spots
Reason
The current FP contains a few dark spots, most probably dirt, which have been removed in the proposed replacement.
Previous nomination/s
none
Nominator
Diego_pmc Talk

Replaced with Image:Sun halo optical phenomenon edit.jpg . MER-C 05:45, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lightning over Oradea, Romania

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Current FP — Lightning over Oradea, Romania
 
Proposed replacement — corrected tilt and reduced noise
Reason
I propose that the current FP be delisted and replaced with the edited version. Modifications: corrected tilt and reduced noise. At a first look the horizon might still look a little tilted to the right, but I think it's just uneven. I mostly took into consideration the vertical lines when I corrected the tilt.Diego_pmc Talk 17:48, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Previous nomination/s
Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Image:Lightning over Oradea Romania 2.jpg
Nominator
Diego_pmc Talk

Replaced with Image:Lightning over Oradea Romania 3.jpg --Noodle snacks (talk) 06:44, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hubble Ultra Deep Field

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Current FP
 
Possible replacement
 
Edit 1 - Possible replacement with noise reduction
 
Edit 2 - Possible replacement with black point adjustment
Reason
I found that over the summer, a significantly higher rez version, but with much more chromatic noise, had been uploaded over the previous FP. I reverted but moved the new image to a different file. I present both to the community for its opinion. I do not support either but rather merely wanted to bring this issue to the attention of the FP community. Notifications: [13] [14] [15] --HereToHelp (talk to me) 01:02, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator
HereToHelp (talk to me)
Don't forget the space between here and the subject isn't completely empty... there's plenty of dust, loose stars, planets, (at this scale) even galaxies and other miscellaneous cosmic vagrants that could get in the way. MER-C 07:03, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Aye, gases should also be added, but some have speculated that the average density of intergalatic space is around a hydrogen nucleus per cubic meter, and the noise is fairly uniform. Noodle snacks (talk) 08:46, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The intent of my question about the noise source was to establish whether the noisy picture is what the subject "really looks like". If it's just down to the long exposure time or matter exposing the subject, then it's right to remove the noise. If the deep field itself is "intrinsically noisy" in some way, then is it still appropriate to perform noise reduction? But yes, in terms of aesthetics, edit 2 looks good to me. Papa November (talk) 11:11, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That probably depends how you define the subject. In big bang, nature, physics, universe, cosmos, hubble telescope and observable universe the caption either talks about the "deepest visible light in the universe" or the "most distant galaxies in the visible universe". Light reflected from closer matter would not help illustrate the intended subject matter. Noodle snacks (talk) 11:57, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
My guess is that this is simply thermal noise from the imaging chip of the telescope. Still, I wouldn't feel comfortable editing an image that has already been worked on by professional astronomers... --Dschwen 01:00, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The existing FP appears to have had a very similar edit though. I have just done a little reading at the source. The image is a composition of 800 exposures amounting to approximately 11.3 days, zero mention on the noise source though. Noodle snacks (talk) 01:21, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Replace with highres. At all sizes that are used on wikipedia, that noise is invisible and so irrelevant. Downsampling always gets rid of some information. A less drastic method than downsampling is a slight noise reduction as seen in the edit. Lycaon (talk) 08:35, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Replace with Edit 2, the noise is clearly visible and obscures detail, you probably need to adjust your monitor. A black point adjustment kills most of it without eating detail that a straight NR might. Noodle snacks (talk) 08:46, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I know that I entered this a neutral but I'm starting to lean towards retaining the current FP. The edits have improved the alternative but it still is very noisy. I do like the higher rez but we aren't studying individual galaxies but rather the net effect of a detailed view of a small region of deep space. I think the current FP better represents the HUDF on a holistic basis (it's hardly lacking in rez itself). I'm still reluctant to officially support it but I wanted to put that argument up for consideration, too.--HereToHelp (talk to me) 01:38, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep original FPC Since it seems that the original is the higher quality and better image. Cat-five - talk 01:32, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Replace with Edit 2 - both images are noisy. The new version, however, has significantly higher resolution. Kaldari (talk) 19:24, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Replaced with Image:Hubble ultra deep field high rez edit1.jpg, a few explicitly for edit 2, one for replacement with high res and a few neutrals --Noodle snacks (talk) 06:44, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delisted

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Meissner effect

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thumb|200px|Meissner effect using a high-temperature superconductor and powerful Rare-earth magnet. "In the late 1980s, Pacific Northwest National Laboratory researchers conducted research into superconductors. The ceramic superconductors are made from a material that has only very low alternating-current resistance and thus dissipates less power. Magnetic forces between the magnet and ceramic superconductor provide a magnetic cushion that keeps the magnet suspended above the superconductor. Liquid nitrogen cools the superconductor to about 77 Kelvin, producing the magnetic cushion." From the Pacific northwest national lab. March 1987.

Reason
Not available with a free license. Copyright status at PNNL website states that documents may be used for non-commercial, scientific and educational use. Papa November (talk) 16:10, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator
Papa November (talk)

Delisted MER-C 02:59, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lower Yellowstone Fall-1200px.jpg

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"Lower Yellowstone Fall. Photo taken by Daniel Mayer and released under terms of the GNU FDL"
Reason
This was one of those images that originally passed its FP nomination when the criteria were not as stringent as it is now. Please view in full size: There are a lot of jpeg artifacts and noise in the clouds, it lacks sharpness, and it's not particularly strong color-wise. All of these facts are more significant due to the image's size, which is just barely above the required dimensions. Smaller images typically hide sharpness and jpeg issues, but they're just as noticeable here.
Nominator
DMCer™

Delisted MER-C 06:46, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mccoy Tyner 1973 gh.jpg

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Reason
While I think this is an interesting shot, I do not think it reflects the very best that Wikipedia has to offer due to the small size of the image and lack of detail. It also fails to be encyclopedic since it doesn't actually illustrate what this gentleman is doing (if we didn't already know). I have placed a note on the uploader's talk page.
Nominator
Matt Deres (talk)
  • I can't tell what he is doing. I know nothing about him, and all I can tell is that it's a picture of someone in profile. This would actually fit the definition of unencyclopedic. Clegs (talk) 01:08, 9 February 2008 (UTC)C[reply]
  • Delist per nom. If 'his thing' is being obscured by a blurry box then maybe he's 'doing' it, but I honestly can't see much to recommend this (I'll be honest, I didn't know who this was, and whenever I've seen this in FP I've wondered what he was doing. I had guessed he was a musician, but always thought he was probably playing the guitar behind that blurry box - I had to go to the article to determine that he's probably playing the piano here, and the box is the piano. It's actually a nice, rather artistic, photo, but it doesn't meet most of the key FP criteria). --jjron (talk) 12:16, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question Why does it have to show him "doing his thing"? This is McCoy Tyner, that alone should be enough. Portraits of notable individuals meet the enc criterion, nothing else required. Samsara (talk • contribs) 19:52, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I agree with that, but I don't think it's a very good portrait as such (despite its artistic merits). If he was clearly 'doing his thing' that may compensate for it not being such a good photo of him, but this sort of falls into a middle no-man's land - it's not a particularly illustrative photo of the man, and he's not clearly doing what he's famous for. The only reason it came up was that this was the reason given for a 'keep' vote. And either way, it is still clearly well outside some other criteria. --jjron (talk) 07:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delisted MER-C 11:19, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Love or duty

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"Love or Duty" by Gabriele Castagnola, 1873.
Reason
I was rather surprised to find this promoted image in the Archives (nom here). Given I visit FP almost daily, I was surprised an image had been promoted in the last week that I had never even seen. I then found that a few editors had colluded to have this image promoted for Valentine’s Day, and this image had spent less than two days on FPC before promotion.
Sorry, with no offence meant to anyone involved (who I’m sure were all acting with the best of intentions), this is entirely inappropriate. This image needs to be delisted and go through a proper FPC candidacy. Whether it meets criteria is not really relevant; what is relevant is that it has not had to go through the process that all other images do. Let its status be determined properly please.
Nominator
jjron (talk)
  • Spikebrennan had a spur-of-the-moment idea that seemed like a really fun and positive thing. I trust he intended it respectfully - I certainly did. If it causes other hardworking editors offense, then by all means take it down and renominate. Yet I'll also ask the other editors here to please head over to the FPC talk page and help compile a list of holiday FP requests so we can do this kind of thing on a long enough time frame that everyone is satisfied. Best regards, DurovaCharge! 23:29, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist. I did think I saw something weird when I noticed an FP that I thought had just been nominated to FPC. It's unfair to the others having to wait months for their FP to show up on the main page. — BRIAN0918 • 2008-02-17 05:26Z
  • Delist Unfairly promoted. Muhammad(talk) 17:47, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist and renom I didn't like this project either, it was too last minute. Clegs (talk) 19:46, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't know why we're having a discussion about whether we are going to have a discussion (it reminds me of Macbeth act 1 scene 1) so it's best if we tackle the underlying issue. Is there another reason, apart from process, why this shouldn't be featured? MER-C 07:44, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Precedent, consistency, fairness... Look, I've seen noms up here (in fact I've had noms of my own) that have had nothing but supports after the first day or two, that have later been shot down. In future, shall I just put them through as promoted once they pick up four supports? You specifically pointed out to Dengero that closing after two days was innappropriate, but had already done the same thing yourself. --jjron (talk) 11:16, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist. It's more important to enforce fair procedures than to have this listed because if procedures aren't enforced then crappy images can get in or good images can be ignored and the whole system breaks down-- I call this a mistrial. Delist the thing (honestly, why does this even need a delist discussion, just rip that FP tag off since it's not a featured picture; just "rv vandalism") and renom it so we can get this thing featured already, it's a good image. :D\=< (talk) 18:25, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delisted . --John254 06:44, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cerro de la Silla

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Cerro de la Silla
Reason
Low technical quality, no "wow".
Nominator
Mangostar (talk)

Delisted . --John254 02:17, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Caterpillar feeding

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Opodiphthera eucalypti
Reason
Fir's pictures (and our FP bug pictures) have come a long way since this. Very little of the caterpillar is in focus at all.
Nominator
Mangostar (talk)

Delisted MER-C 05:28, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I-80 Eastshore Fwy

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Looking south above en:Interstate 80, the Eastshore Freeway, near Berkeley, California on a Saturday afternoon.
Reason
What appears to be excessive noise reduction has left this image smeary. Poor contrast. Such an easily re-takable image should be have much higher IQ
Nominator
Mfield (talk)

Delisted MER-C 08:57, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Prokaryote cell diagram.svg

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old version
Reason
I have created this image who is better than my old version, the new one also covers some issues:
  • adding the plasmids
  • adding the pili
  • a more clear division from the coat layers
  • the removal from the mesosome (wich i was told doesnt excist)

I am planing that as soon as this one is delisted i will nominate the new version --LadyofHats (talk) 11:09, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator
LadyofHats (talk)

Delisted . --- Milk's Favorite Cookie 17:25, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bunch of grapes

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A bunch of grapes
Reason
About as noisy as a jumbo jet at takeoff. Dirt and scratches all over the place. Questionable encyclopaedic value (check its article use). Other issues. (Looks OK at thumbnail though - original nom here; another bunch of grapes FP here).
Nominator
jjron (talk)

Delisted . --John254 23:28, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Nominated and delisted with the sort of snarky comments that I expect from the Wikipedia. Just one of the many reasons that I quit editing over a year ago. BlankVerse 04:02, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Challenger (STS-51-L) Explosion

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Image:Challenger (STS-51-L) Explosion.ogg
Suggested replacement
Reason
The suggested image is of higher res and quality than the current featured.
Nominator
diego_pmc (talk)

Delisted --jjron (talk) 15:10, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No consensus to replace with alternative - renominate alt if you want to try again. --jjron (talk) 15:17, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FA-18 Hornet breaking sound barrier (7 July 1999)

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An F/A-18 Hornet assigned to Strike Fighter Squadron One Five One (VFA-151) breaks the sound barrier in the skies over the Pacific Ocean.
 
Reduced grain.
 
F/A-18C breaking the sound barrier in 2005, much better quality proves that it is possible to reproduce this shot in higher quality and thus that is an invalid reason to not delist, click to see full resolution
 
Reduced grain.
Reason
disappointing at full resolution, ruined by low frequency digital noise and blurred as a result no fine detail or sharpness left. Thisglad (talk) 16:15, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator
Thisglad (talk)


another reason for the lack of appeal is because it was likely taken with a film camera, which are grainy at high ISO film but the color noise is largely generated by the scanner unlike digital cameras, analog equipment does not have that effect, so this is likely a poor quality scan of a mediocre image Thisglad (talk) 21:31, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per above. Sure quality isn't great, but it's a stunning photo and widely used, so I'm willing to give it some leeway. Probably amongst the most eyecatching FPs we have. None of the others Matt links to come close to this for composition; I'm also suspecting this subject is not something you're going to snap off on a day at the park. If anyone can show me otherwise I may reconsider. --jjron (talk) 06:15, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I believe this image cannot be easily reproduced. It must be a very lucky shot, in addition to requiring another supersonic "camera platform"... --Janke | Talk 07:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • for comparison see the 2005 image of the same aircraft model breaking the sound barrier in the same geographic location, and it is obviously not blurred and artifacted to the same degree as well as being higher resolution. The inferior quality of this image is clearly not because of the shooting conditions. Thisglad (talk) 23:38, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Compositionally I think the original is still the best, but should it be delisted, which it probably will be, I would support a nomination of the alt posted here. --jjron (talk) 08:33, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • weak delist The composition is beautiful and the thumbnail is stunning, but the full-size shot is just horrible. I can appreciate that it's not easily reproducible, but the fact that I found three alternates in a few minutes indicates that the stunt has been done several times in the past and very likely will be done again. The FPs should be the best that WP has to offer, but clicking on this photo is just disappointing. If there was any kind of historical aspect to this shot (is there?), I would probably switch. Matt Deres (talk) 14:29, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I don't think it requires another transonic camera platform. A lot of the videos and stills online seem to be shot from the decks of aircraft carriers and other ships, most likely because that's the environment with the most supersonic planes and high moisture environment that will result in somebody capturing a shot of it. If we are going to see a better shot of this phenomenon, I'd bet its from somebody with a the right camera/lens and panning technique on board a ship rather than in the air. In addition, in the right environment this is probably a very repeatable and predictable event, you just need to be in on an aircraft carrier to maximize your chances of seeing it :) Mfield (talk) 16:52, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fair enough - so next time you're out on your aircraft carrier and your mate's going supersonic in his fighter jet, can you take a few snaps for us? ;-) --jjron (talk) 08:33, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have added new versions of the images. I have removed the grain, but I myself have doubts about the images actually being better. As for now, I keep myself from voting. diego_pmc (talk) 10:15, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delist - Grain is horrible even at 800px wide, colours appear to have been reduced to 256 or less (see shadows) and the full size image is not sharp (nor are any of the altered ones with reduced grain). Compare with Image:Su-27 on landing.jpg. As mentioned above, I've seen video footage of this effect from aircraft carriers so a good quality photo should be pretty easy with a decent camera. --Ozhiker (talk) 16:10, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delisted --jjron (talk) 08:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tram interior

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The interior of a tram, photographed in Vienna, Austria in the summer of 2002. The car shown here is one of the oldest currently in use on Vienna's tracks.
Reason
A nice enough photo, but doesn't overly strike me as FP standard on a few counts. Not sure of EV - no longer used in any articles. Not sure about the little girl - to me she reduces EV, some may argue she adds compositionally to the photo. Original nom here. --jjron (talk) 14:27, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator
jjron (talk)
  • Comment You're right that trams are meant to transfer people of course, but that doesn't seem to be happening here; this looks much more like a holiday snapshot of someone's kid, who happened to be sitting in an old tram. She's the part in best focus. Even ignoring that, this really just looks like any old bus from the inside. Surely the distinctive bits would be on the outside? Matt Deres (talk) 17:03, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not...really. There's a definate 20s/30s look and feel to that tram. The outside is ALSO encyclopaedic, but the inside is as well. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 22:55, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • There were no 1920-s tram in regular operation in 2002. The last surviving Vienna tram of 1920s, type M/m (1928-1929), was completely retired by 1979 (stadtbahn type N1/n2 operated to 1982, but these were 1950s bodies on 1920s bogies). The photo looks like a plain Type E/c to me - a 1960s model, very common to date. NVO (talk) 08:49, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delisted --KiloT 13:37, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

F1 car

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Mark Webber at 2004 US F1 Grand Prix
Reason
Fails size requirement, tilted.
Nominator
Pstuart84 Talk

Delisted MER-C 12:22, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Millennium Bridge, London

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Millennium Bridge, London
Reason
Low resolution, false colour, cut off.
Nominator
Pstuart84 Talk
  • Delist — Pstuart84 Talk 14:57, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Black and white isn't exactly "false colour", and 1381 pixels wide is 381 pixels above the minimum for Wikipedia FPs. Are you thinking of Commons standards? Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 08:30, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • It meet the standards but only just, which is why I said low resolution and B&W is certainly false colour in that the subject is not monochrome in reality. Pstuart84 Talk 10:13, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • I think we differ on the meaning of the word "just". This image is only 119 pixels short of even the Commons requirement. I don't see how you can cite that as a motivation for delisting. I really don't. 1000 pixels is the requirement. This image meets it. And black and white is NOT "false colour" (see article). Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 12:22, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • I think it's quite clear I said it was "low resolution" and not that it failed the minimum size requirement. There is also no good reason to feature anything other than a true-colour image of this bridge. Pstuart84 Talk 12:54, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • I'll echo Pstuart84's sentiments here. We've already discussed the criteria in other noms and I think you'll find (although it doesn't seem to be spelt out clearly enough on the page) that the minimum resolution is merely a minimum to be taken seriously, but not necessarily the minimum to be automatically accepted without further examination. It would be short-sighted to be too absolute on resolution, since there are so many factors involved. We can and will still apply our own judgement on whether there is sufficient detail in the image given the particular subject and how significant/easily replicable it is, and also whether it is satisfactorily sharp for a given resolution. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 14:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist a lot of artifacts combined with lack of sharpness Thisglad (talk) 10:29, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist This really should be in color. Mangostar (talk) 16:13, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep the cutting off of the side is unfortunate however the image of the bridge span itself which is really the main focus of the bridge in my opinion is what matters. Whether an image is in black and white or color except when the color of the object is a key element (pictures of flora and fauna for example) in my opinion never has and never will be a valid reason to oppose an image's promotion or delist it and if it weren't for the image cutting off part of the bridge I would probably be using "strong" instead of "weak" as the adjective to describe my views. Cat-five - talk 22:38, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist the closest part of the bridge seem soft like inadequate DOF/poor choice of hyperfocal point. Fairly low resolution, and easily reshootable. Mfield (talk) 22:44, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist no reason for B&W. Cacophony (talk) 08:15, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist. I think I may have a better photo than this one, or if not, it shouldn't be too hard to take a new one. Plenty of construction cranes now sour the skyline around St Pauls Cathedral though, which doesn't help the view. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 14:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment If somebody had actually got in touch with me, I could have provided a better copy from the original source... This version was cropped etc for aesthetic reasons, not designed for 'accuracy'. PaulLomax (talk) 16:52, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delisted MER-C 09:22, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Koh Samui

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Koh Samui
Reason
Low resolution, washed out, doesn't depict much.
Nominator
Pstuart84 Talk

Delisted MER-C 09:22, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fisherman on Lake Tanganyika

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Fisherman on Lake Tanganyika
Reason
Fails size requirement, poor quality overall, questionable EV.
Nominator
Pstuart84 Talk

Delisted MER-C 09:22, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reichstag flag

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Deleted FP version
 
Alternative version: Soldiers raising the flag of Soviet Union on the roof of Reichstag building in Berlin, Germany in May, 1945. (Same event as featured pic; different angle.)
Reason
Deleted from commons per Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Reichstag flag.jpg. Removed from FP Gallery here. (I don't remember what the original image looked like, nor where its original nomination would be.)
Nominator
jjron (talk)
Though now I look at the deletion nom over at commons, this pic probably has the same copyright status as the other image, so should probably be deleted too. --Schcamboaon scéal? 10:47, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This other picture is hosted locally and is tagged fair use => it's ineligible and probably not deletable. It needs a rationale though. This can safely be delisted, I might do it tomorrow. MER-C 07:15, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delisted MER-C 08:49, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Einsatzgruppen killing a Jewish man

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File:Einsatzgruppen-Killingfull.jpg
Deleted FP version: A member of Einsatzgruppe D is just about to shoot a Jewish man kneeling before a filled mass grave in Vinnitsa, Ukraine in 1942. The back of the photograph is inscribed, "The last Jew in Vinnitsa".
 
Available version: A member of Einsatzgruppe D is just about to shoot a Jewish man kneeling before a filled mass grave in Vinnitsa, Ukraine in 1942. The back of the photograph is inscribed, "The last Jew in Vinnitsa".
Reason
Image has been deleted - see here and Wikipedia:Featured pictures/History/World War II (look for the missing image in the gallery). However I believe it was promoted in Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Einsatzgruppen / Holocaust beginnings. There were concerns over licensing in the nom, but it was eventually promoted. We appear to still have access to the original version from the nom, which I have put up here as Available version.
Nominator
jjron (talk)
  • Delist deleted image. I'm happy to support a Replace if licensing, etc on the Available version is clear. — jjron (talk) 09:41, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Commons deletion request. MER-C 06:31, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • If the tagging on the non-deleted image is correct, then we can ask the deleted version to be restored here and then refeatured. MER-C 07:00, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yeah, I'm not that clear on the licensing issues, etc, to be honest, but part of the reason I put it up here rather than just 'auto-delisting' or swapping for the available version was in case someone could put the featured version back up here. I think Commons admins still have access to deleted versions, so if one of them is around perhaps they could retrieve it and replace it here? --jjron (talk) 14:24, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist as ineligible. This image is non-free in the US as in Germany. Another case of faulty labeling by the USHMM. Perhaps someone should do a trawl of similar photos and confirm that they are correctly tagged. Mangostar (talk) 01:10, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Do you have evidence that it is non-free in the US? the arguments on the nomination made a decently good case for it being free. So far the only people saying that it is still under copyright in the US (I know it still is in Germany) have not put forth any evidence to support their claims. Until then, I will have to say Keep. I guess the correct thing would actually be to Replace with existing. Clegs (talk) 21:13, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • I agree, wikipedia commons has different copyright rules than the english wikipedia, if the image was used in war crime trials as evidence, it most likely is in fact devoid of copyright as seized property (and who is the author of the image, where was it first published?) Thisglad (talk) 10:52, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • How do we know this is seized property? So far we have no evidence of this, and without such evidence there is no way we can claim it is PD. It didn't even come from a U.S. archive, and Wikipedia:Public_domain#German_World_War_II_images makes it seem as though even if it did, it is unlikely to PD in the US. In my view, the burden of proof is on those claiming it is PD, not on those claiming it is non-free. See also the copyright note about Nazi photos at NARA: "Some of the materials in this record group may have been of private origin. The fact that such materials were seized is not believed to have divested their original owners of any literary property rights in them. Anyone who publishes such materials in whole or in part without the permission of the original owners or their heirs may be held liable for infringement of property rights."[19] The commons discussions on this topic have been overwhelmed by people voting without any valid reasoning or sourcing. The only (!) source (Struk) I could find that had been cited anywhere in the commons discussion only mentions copyright in passing and blatantly misstates the law ("The most elementary of copyright laws states that the creator must be identified before copyright can be held." - um, no...exactly the opposite). Mangostar (talk) 17:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • Heinrich Hoffman was the official photographer of Adolf Hitler, his collection is in the U.S archives and judged to be public domain and his family actually took the U.S to court over this (the court ruled the works were the property and copyright of the U.S gov by act of law), so while some copyrights were restored to the original owners, not all were as seized property, but you are right that there is no proof that this particular photo is public domain, an original source is needed to determine that, who first published this photograph? I would like to know Thisglad (talk) 06:48, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delisted . Irrespective of the ultimate question of whether this image is indeed in the public domain, the fact that the original image has been deleted, and that the substitute is presently classified as "fair use", effectively precludes the retention of this image as a featured picture. I specifically disclaim any responsibility for the demotion of this image from public domain to fair use status, which, in my opinion, amounts to a sordid attempt to uphold the dubious copyright claims of a Nazi photographer. --John254 02:23, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Long Beach, CA at night

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Long Beach, CA at night
Reason
Way too small and buildings are tilted
Previous nomination/s
Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/Long_Beach,_CA_at_night
Nominator
Mfield (talk)
It was more of a reference to the 480 height than anything, I will strike the 'way' out, but this is an easily retaken image that has been cropped from the original to improve composition. If it had been shot correctly composed in the first place then it would not have ended up this small. Mfield (talk) 23:04, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. You weren't the first one, so don't feel bad or anything. I'll keep reminding other people as well. I've said previously that if people feel the standards have changed, we should change the criteria to reflect this. Cheers. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 15:52, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delisted MER-C 10:11, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dandelion clock

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Dandelion clock
Reason
Low resolution, unsharp, not used in the article anymore
Previous nomination/s
Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Dandelion clock.jpg
Nominator
Noodle snacks (talk)

Delisted MER-C 07:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pollen and Gerbera

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Pollen from a Gerbera
Reason
I don't think it really has the resolution to demonstrate its subject clearly. There are a number of imo superior images in the pollen article and this one is just tacked on right at the end.
Previous nomination/s
Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/October-2004#Pollen and Gerbera
Nominator
Noodle snacks (talk)

Delisted MER-C 07:28, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Aust blue dragonfly02

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A macro of an Australian Blue Dragonfly
Reason
Smaller than the minimum size requirements, image appears to be noisy and quality is not up to today's standards.
Previous nomination/s
Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Aust blue dragonfly02.jpg
Nominator
Muhammad(talk)
Higher res won't change the messy bg... --Janke | Talk 13:16, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delisted MER-C 23:58, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Corn cobs

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Variegated maize ears
Reason
Low resolution, bad crop and lighting (burned a bit), lack of detail in some areas. Easily replaceable in terms of EV, not hard to reshoot more successfully, no wow whatsoever.
Previous nomination/s
None
Nominator
Todor→Bozhinov

Delisted MER-C 03:43, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ladybird

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Ladybird
Reason
Very low depth of field, relatively low resolution for a common subject. Also not the best composition for showing what a ladybug looks like.
Previous nomination/s
Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/October-2004#Ladybug_on_a_leaf
Nominator
Calliopejen1 (talk)

Delisted --Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 13:20, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

433 Eros

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The asteroid 433 Eros was named after the Greek god of love Eros. This S-type asteroid is the second-largest near-Earth asteroid. This image shows the view looking from one end of the asteroid across the gouge on its underside and toward the opposite end. Photo credit: NASA
Reason
A rather small picture that does a poor job of illustrating an uninteresting subject.
Nominator
Cynops3

Delisted --Noodle snacks (talk) 06:45, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Other

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Image:High Resolution Solar Spectrum.jpg

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Reason
Deleted at COM:DEL. Already delisted. MER-C 03:48, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Kimi Raikkonen 2007.jpg

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File:Kimi Raikkonen 2007.jpg
Deleted image
Reason
Deleted at COM:DEL. Already delisted. MER-C 03:40, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

F-35 Lightning II

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File:F35test edit.jpg
A prototype of the F-35 Lightning II in flight during testing
Reason
Deleted image as Copyright Vio. Already delisted 1, 2, 3 — jjron (talk) 12:03, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Previous nomination/s
Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/F35test edit.jpg


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