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Cheung Kwok Wah

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Dr.Kamath

Hi Utcursch,

I saw these words by you about Dr.Kamath on Dinesh's page - "...Though he's controversial, he is a ......"

May I ask you, how you could make such a sweeping statement? Is it because Mahawiki and Arya go around Wikipedia shouting from rooftops that Mr.Kamath is fanatic, biased, fiction writer, blah blah blah! This is a totally uncalled for statement from you. Mr.Kamath is one of the leading historians in India and it does not behove you to dismiss him with a wave of your hand. I can understand meaningless trolling by Mahawiki, but wouldnt have thought that you'd be taken in by that. Sarvagnya 07:52, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Heh - I wouldn't take it so seriously. Whether you call it poetic license or pouring oil on troubled waters - this fight needs to end. And sometimes you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs, and whether Utcursch writes stuff like that or not (in order t calm the situation) wouldn't change Dr.Kamath's standing anyway, so why prolong the agony? :) Achitnis 09:02, 4 October 2006 (UTC) (who has no business butting in, but did it anyway :)

I wouldnt take it so seriously too, but for the fact that I can bet my bottom paisa that Mahawiki will use this one statement and mislead all concerned by saying, "...even the admin agreed that the author was a pro kannada fanatic..." when(and not if) I haul him up to an admin who has the time and the inclination to look into this(Seriously, no offence to Utcursch). Sarvagnya 09:08, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Sarvagnya for a change stop trolling and lieing.Like u said,I dont go and hit on anyone like u,who has no other work to badmouth and woo admins to get ur competitrs banned!And for a change,use ur brains and see the links given by admin to prove he is contoversial.For god's sake stop glorifying that writer who writes crap which only Kannada fanatics like to have it.Gosh,I mean I am proud of my language and culture but I dont need others certificate to prove that nor do I cite articles from Saamana!Why u kannada people are hell bent to prove that rajkumar,kannada language and history and culture is great??? i mean why u need other's affirmation to that?This is called inferiority complex!

Mahawiki 09:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your psycho-analysis. You should probably edit some articles on that subject. WP will be richer. Sarvagnya 10:10, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for appreciation.Actually im not a expert at these things,u can always take a second opinion.All the best.

Mahawiki 10:24, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Sometimes I have to stop and wonder - when did we stop being Indians and become "you Kannada/Marathi/whatever people"? Achitnis 19:14, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Utcursch, I just saw your links about Dr.Kamath. I apologise for being quick to judge you. Though I now see, why you called him 'controversial', I'd still beg to differ with you. As you might well know, history and writing textbooks in india is more a political affair than an academic one and is never free of controversy as there is always a party that will feel aggrieved. In that sense, every historian in India is controversial. Also, I couldnt see any mention of his RSS background in the links you provided. Infact, in one of the articles, Mr.Shettar says that in Kamath's transcripts, photos of Savarkar and Bhagat Singh are missing. That would be very atypical of a person wih RSS leanings. And in any case, why should we equate or even suggest to equate a person's RSS leanings with bias and controversy. RSS is a social organisation and not even a political party. Even Vajpayee comes from a RSS background, but I dont think there ever was an opinion that he was biased or even controversial. Sarvagnya 16:33, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

My sources

Dear admin, I have also given the names of my other sources in my previous message. Before removing any of their citations you also need to know that they are reputated and noted scholars. Please feel free to do a study on their background as well. Any attempt to remove citations from these scholars will go for arbitration. The other prominant sources are Prf. K.A. Nilakanta Sastri (from Univ. of Madras), Dr. Romila Thapar (who needs no intro), Dr. Jyotsna Kamat (winner of several awards and a celebrated female historian and wife of late and famous Photographer and humanist Dr. Krisnanand Kamat). As far as Dr. S.U. Kamath being controversial, most great scholars are controversial. That's what makes them great. If they were after popularity, they would be film stars, not historians. One more thing, Every literary work that has been quoted in the "Kannada literature" section for each kingdom is directly sourced from either the books of Dr. S.U. Kamath or Prof. K.A.N Sastri, both of who have written at lenght on the subject. Any attempt to remove material regarding the literary works (which Mahawiki was angling towards) will be taken for arbitration.

Also, after we go thru this exercise and you have taken the trouble to read thru months worth of work and references (which I will respect, probably sometimes with reservations), I want it to be known that if "Mahawiki" continues to degrade my sources, I will bring in wiki advocates to deal with the situation.

Dineshkannambadi

Dear Dinesh, I still wonder u were so quick to call tamilnation.com as stupid and Mr.Sastry as pro-Tamil writer,what is ur explaination for that?Mr.Kamat and some Mrs.Kamat are both Kannada fanatic writers and I will try my best to get them busted.Plz dont threaten me or admin,u r more than welcome to take it for arbitration. Mahawiki 05:43, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

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citations

Sir, thanks for your assurance.

Dineshkannambadi

Seuna page

Sir, looks like Mahawiki is back to reverting on Seuna. I had added a sentence that dropped out when you created the page (I intimated you about this). Mahawiki reverted my edit and removed the Kannada translation for "Seuna". This has been reverted back by someone to the correct version. May be putting a lock on this page would be the right way to go? Also please consider a block on this user if he tries any more reverts. I also see a growing aggression in him in one of his latest messages asking for "Trashing" Dr. Kamath's citations even after you informaed him of the validity of the citations.

Dineshkannambadi

Attempts To Divert Attention

Dear Utcursch, the Kannad fanatics "Kannambadi" and "Sarvagnya" are doing nothing but diverting attention from the real point. As I said, I have provided enough evidence about Kannambadi admitting Yadavas (or Seunas whatever you call 'em) as Marathi. Then he went on Kannadizing spree and made the Yadavas Kannadi. If you have not read it, I urge you to please go through the evidence again. You will find it here - User_talk:Utcursch/archive7#Why_Seuna_or_Yadavas_Went_Kannadi.

I will repeat the question raised by Mahawiki regarding this -

• You have defamed Yadavas in ur rantings against Maharashtrians. In other words u have agreed that Yadavas are Marathis. Now you are Kannadising their article. It proves ur a liar and a kannada fanatic who wants Kannada and K'taka being associated with each and every great thing!

Utcursch, I want your reaction on this. Kannambadi, it would be better if you comment as well.

- AryaRajyaमहाराष्ट्र 04:12, 5 October 2006 (UTC) Mr.Dinesh,also dont forget to comment about ur flamboyant attack on tamilnation website as stupid and trashing Mr.Sastry's books as pro-Tamil.I really look forward to ur answers to above questions.Mahawiki 05:52, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Utkarsh its high time we should remove fanatic dirt from wikipedia.I urge u to comment on this.Sarvagnya's explaination about all textbook writers are controversial and Dinesh adding that great writers are great so they are controversial tells u the story of their intellectual level.They are nothing but Kannada fanatics who just want to market karnataka/kannada everywhere.That Telugu gentlemen who was contesting with Dinesh on Vijayanagara_empire is not related to me,many editors have questioned Dinesh's sources.See the articles which I mentioned,u will undubtly see how Kannada POV has been raised everywhere.I request to enforce NPOV everywhere and warn Dinesh against using useless and biased sources.

Mahawiki 05:52, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Dear admin,

I would like to know how does make Mr.Suryanath kamath a respectful writer.I mean how did u gave the verdict? Mahawiki 05:55, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I did not say Yadavas are Marathis. Read carefully please.

I have cut and paste the portions of the article these two guys are cribbing about.

"Lets not forget that through out history, when other empires fell, it was the Kannada empires that stood the test of time to protect Indian Nationalism. The Hoysalas were the last to fall (1343 CE.)to the Khilji invasion while the Yadavas of Devagiri who actually had many cowardly agreements with the invaders were the first to fall (1315 CE.). From the ashes of the Hoysala empire rose the last great Hindu empire, the Vijayanagar empire (note that no historian calls the Maratha empire the last great Hindu empire) to keep invaders out for 250 years when our neighbours to the north were already ruled by the invaders during this period. The Kingdom of Mysore were the last to fall to the British in 1799 CE. under Tippu with the Maratha Peshwas and Nizam of Hyderabad working as agents of the British and actually assisting the British in the Third Mysore War."

Analysis:

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All I said was the Yadavas made cowardly agreements with the Mugals. No where do I use the word "Maharashtrian" or "Marathi" in the paragraph. I have always been aware of the Kannada contribution to the Yadava empire, even when I made this remark. No where do I agree or suggest that the Yadava empire was a Maratha empire (while some scholars do think they are Marathas as pointed by the admin)

The next statement about the Maratha empire had nothing to do with the Yadavas. I was talking about the real Maratha empire in the 17th century. No where have I read from my sources calling them the last great Hindu empire. That does not mean they are not great.

Then I go on the mention that the Maratha Peshwas of the 18th century allied with the British to fight the kingdom of Mysore. This has nothing to do with Yadavas nor is it an insult to Maharashtrians or Marathi language. I was mearly quoting what I read in my sources. It is well known that parts of North Karnataka went to the Peshwas and other parts to the Nizam of Hyd for their contributions to the British. No where have I defamed the Marathi's or Maharashtrians. This is regualr in politics. Kings have always allied themselves and fought against their own allies at times for vested interests.

If I mentioned the "battle of Panipat" I am also fully aware of the "Battle of Talikota" when the Vijayanagars were defeated resoundingly.

Again You guys have from the begining refused to call us Kannadigas and held on the what we consider a inappropriate "Kannadi". It is you who have humiliated us.

If you go thru the Belgaum talk page carefully from the begining, you will see I was the first one to aplogise on the talk page Even before this above article was written by me even though I did not receive an aplogy in return. The Kannadi slur continued which prompted me to write what I wrote. It is you guys who need to apologise first. Thats is my stand. Read the whole article carefully instead of cutting pieces of it.

I am cutting and pasting a racial message sent out by Arya... and I have highlighted the humilation that we have suffered because of this statement.

Maharashtracha apmaan kadapi sahan karnaar naahi mahawiki, you are not alone in this battle, the warrior has returned !!!! Kannadabadi, beware !!!!

This article is total Kannadi-propaganda machine!!! The sole editor of this article has vandalised it. The stuff posted in the article is unauthentic and vain. This article could be deleted or the user:Kannadabadi blocked as per WP:VANITY or WP:POV.

Kannadabadi, the historians you cite are all fanatical and biased historians. Thapar is a Marxist who is already a big opponent of real Aryan Hindus. So, her wiping out of Marathi influence would not be a surprise for me. Kamat is a Kannadi fanatic who has written objectionable matter against Maharashtrians. So citing them is not gonna help your cause. And the way you are behaving, so childishly, stop it. As for the Kadambas being Kannada, I give a shit. It's only because they moved to Karnatake that they adopted Kannadi as a officail language. Kadams are the real Indo-Aryans originally travelled from Caspian Sea and set up an empire in Afghanistan after which they came to India and kicked away the Dravidians and then ruled over them. You shameless fools, losers !!!! You guys want revenge that's why you are resorting to tactics like these. You will never be successful at that. Beware, if you call my brother mahawiki, a goonda. I won't tolerate a word against my Marathi brethren.'

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 17:10, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for my earlier posting

Dear Sir. I though you were asking me to respond, so I took the trouble to answer these silly questions. Please forget about it so we can move on. I dont want to let these guys keep raking up old issues and making everybodies user page cluttered with arguements. I did not realise that you were not asking for clarifications.

sorry again. Dineshkannambadi

My Comments

Kannambadi knows I have already explained my stand to another admin, yet he pastes my first edit on this page. How much shameless and political can one be !!! As I said those were my first edits and were done in a rage of anger. I have explained it to Bhadani. If you want, I will repeat that -

"Hi Bhadaniji,

You may remember me as the user who asked you to review Marathi people article. Well, I have been observing the ongoing fued between User:Mahawiki and User:Sarvagnya which has been going on for quite some time. I know I am not a big part of this fued, but many times I too was dragged in this rivalry. I am going to make a few points clear from my side.

I registered to Wikipedia very recently on 9 Sep '06, after observing it for a few months. I contributed to a few articles through anonymous IP addresses but most of them were small contributions. And I didn't comment on anything nor interacted with anyone. However, once I chanced upon the Belgaon page and saw that a massive war is going on. I saw the comments page ie the talkpage of Talk:Belgaon and was further dumbstruck. I saw one particular comment [1] and I got extremely enraged. It was a really inflammatory comment. The way it was written that Maratha Empire was not great and all Kannada Empires were great was particularly bad. I registered to Wikipedia, since I knew, if I need to comment then I would have to show identity. And I admit that I did indulge in a sort of incivilty at that time. I did that because I was really angry. You can see my first edit here - First Edit. Then on mahawiki's request I saw Rashtrakuta page. I saw it was extremely Kannadized by the same user User:Dineshkannambadi. I saw mahawiki trying to reason with the aforementioned user but the user just won't budge. Before mahwiki, another user (who was anonymous but signed his name as Kasar) had also tried t reason with Kannambadi but it was like Kannambadi had hijacked the page. I kept quiet for a while. But again he indulged in anti-Marathi rhetoric and called mahawiki a "Goon". That time I let go of myself again. After that we, both mahawiki and me were attacked by a certain User:Vgowda who attacked us in one of the most incivil ways. Vgowda has a history of incivility and vandalism. See User_talk:Vgowda and Vgowda's Block Log. He was promptly blocked by Blnguyen. Blnguyen intervened in the matter and I apoloziged to him here. Since then I have been extremely civil and it is only sporadically that I get angry. At the same time , Mahawiki was blocked by Admin Blnguyen. I asked Mahawiki to be patient and have faith in the admin. After that, as you can see with my contribs, I have been working on a few articles, esp. Marathi-related where I added some transliterations and also the Marathi people page which I expanded with the help of mahawiki, haphar, nrs, info4all and vijaysawant. But there User:Sarvagnya came and started putting tags everywhere. Since I knew the history of relationship between mahawiki and sarvagnya (they were warring on Belgaon page at that time), I knew that Sarvagnya is doing this out of spite. I offered citations still he started poking his nose in the article. After sometime he went though. But then came another User:Kirtinat Kamat who again badmouthed Maharashtrians. Actually, I have no direct animosity with Sarvagnya, but from whatever I interacted with him and also from his interactions with mahawiki, I can say that he is extremely rude and fanatical.

As far as Sarvagnya's fued with mahawiki is concerned, I think it is Sarvagnya who has been uncivil and not mahawiki. See the repeated unnecesary warnings on mahawiki's page. I knew Sarvagnya's opposition to Marathi transliteration on Belgaon page which mahawiki had put. After admin intervention, the result went mahawiki's way. And since then it seems sarvagnya is trying to "avenge" his "defeat". I cant say much on this though, better if you ask mahawiki. Also, try to understand that almost all wars were instigated by Sarvagnya himself. Also, the way he called our leader "Shivaji" as seevooji in one of the edit summaries was in very bad taste. He has been deleting some paras from the Kaveri article as well. And again he has been on a campaign to block mahawiki for quite some time now. The comments by mahawiki on deleting of articles by Sarvagnya should not be taken seriously as mahawiki is a novice and he may have not known that only admins can delete articles.

Also, Bhadaniji, you can refer to Bakaman's comments on your page for some more info. For your convenience, here is the link [2]. You may know who can be more civil.

Dineshkannambadi has Kannadized many articles apart from creating unenencyclopeadic advertising articles like The Great Karnataka Expansion. See Seuna page and it's talk page. Marathi was the official language of Yadavas which is not mentioned. I am trying to rectify these glaring errors.

I have been extremely honest on this. I have told the story from my view but again being impartial.

AryaRajyaमहाराष्ट्र 04:13, 27 September 2006 (UTC)"

That's what I told Bhadani, much before Kannambadi could go on and tell him. I have apologized for that to admin Blnguyen as well.

As for your remark against Yadavas, it was meant to be against Marathis. Your explanation proves nothing. It just proves you're desperate to Kannadize every other article.

-AryaRajyaमहाराष्ट्र 13:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Kannambadi whats this???

"Lets not forget that through out history, when other empires fell, it was the Kannada empires that stood the test of time to protect Indian Nationalism. The Hoysalas were the last to fall (1343 CE.)to the Khilji invasion while the Yadavas of Devagiri who actually had many cowardly agreements with the invaders were the first to fall (1315 CE.). From the ashes of the Hoysala empire rose the last great Hindu empire, the Vijayanagar empire (note that no historian calls the Maratha empire the last great Hindu empire) to keep invaders out for 250 years when our neighbours to the north were already ruled by the invaders during this period. The Kingdom of Mysore were the last to fall to the British in 1799 CE. under Tippu with the Maratha Peshwas and Nizam of Hyderabad working as agents of the British and actually assisting the British in the Third Mysore War."

I wonder how can u think that all others are fools here except u.read the passage once again.Get someone who's got some common-sense and ask him to read it out.U dont need to be a rocker-scientist to find out that u were clearly telling the world that ' Kannada things' is better than 'Marathi things'.In this para u were comparing Marathi kingdoms with Kannada kingdoms.U have insulted Yadavs as well as Maratha empire also.Get a life.U are stooping too low.Plz dont think everyone are fools here.

I also wonder why have u forgot to answer the second question? Mahawiki 14:47, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

belgaum border dispute

Dear admin, I urge u to check belgaum border dispute article.users are adding unnecessary details about Mahajan report.I think we have had quite a lot details on that page.Please see the edits after achitnis's first 3 edits.If u agree to them,plz tell me as I have some good citations to use. Mahawiki 14:53, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Request

Dear Utkurch, I am sorry for all these wars which is going on in ur page.I think ont he points which u disagree to me u keep mum.Thts why perhaps u have not commented against few concerens raised by me like Mr.Kamath,Belgaum border and Dinesh's hypocrisy.I repect ur opinion but I would like to take guidelines about-

1. I have a citation about Belgaum issue in Marathi I would like to email them to u.Its in pdf format and hence needs to be 'attached'.If u have time and intrest plz tell me how do I send it to u.If u dont,plz refer me to some other person who knows Marathi and hence who'll verify the source and I'll go and edit the article.
2. I think Dinesh is really destroying NPOV with filling linguistic dirt in many history related articles.I am mainly concerned about Maharashtra articles.I really think he's a Kannada fanatic and his citations are one-sided and hence not credible.Especially the Mr.Kamath's books.I request to inform me about where do I complain about it.I hear there's some forum about verifabilty of citations?

Mahawiki 06:11, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Denise Vasi

What does Google have to do with it? It's my understanding that the A7 criteria is an assertion of notability. Neither she's a model nor she dates the notable would qualify. Erechtheus 17:18, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Jhumri Tilaiya

Thanks, and after a long gap we are meeting. I saw the changes, and they are nice. --Bhadani 18:26, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

belgaum

The links i posted in that article were in Marathi.remeove the Hindu link also.It is more suitable to border dispute article.Mahawiki 14:03, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Utkurch I had asked about citation validation.Can I email tht file to u?Plz reply.If u r not able to verify it plz suggest a Marathi knowing editor.Thanks.Mahawiki 14:07, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

A barnstar

(Moved to User:Utcursch/Recognition. Thanks utcursch | talk 05:24, 8 October 2006 (UTC))

Yes Utcursch. It was overdue for long. You are senior to me here, and I feel privileged to present this as a token of my appreciation. Regards and all the best! --Bhadani 16:31, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Non English Citations

Some editors have been adding non english citations/references on Belgaum and Belgaum border dispute pages, despite your clarification on Belgaum Talk page, that only English links are allowed on english wikipedia. Please take note of these.

Hi!U had commented about the non-English external links and not citations.Citations from Pudhari and Belgaon Tarun Bharat are perfectly valid because we dont have English sources like Deccan Herald or Hindu which pushes Karnataka's POV.Thanks. Mahawiki 07:22, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Dear admin please ask the concerned editors to not to revert the cited information.They are assuming what they feel is right.see Belgaon and Belgaum_border_dispute.Mahawiki 07:24, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Citations from other languages are allowed. See Wikipedia:Citing sources#When_you_add_content: "Because this is the English Wikipedia, English-language sources should be given whenever possible, and should always be used in preference to other language sources of equal calibre. However, do give references in other languages where appropriate." utcursch | talk 07:24, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia:Citing sources#When_you_add_content completely."If quoting from a different language source, an English translation should be given with the original-language quote beside it." Where was the translation provided along with original-language quote? In any case, I would prefer the Admin to clarify on this. Naveenbm 07:33, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I think the Wikipedia policy is unambiguous. If there is a non-english citation, it should be accompanied by a translation. Where is the translation? And in the first place, the vernacular citation is invalid and unacceptable because the English media has widely covered this issue and English sources are available. Just because The Hindu, Deccan Herald, Times of India, Indian Express etc are all biased or fanatics in Mahawiki's opinions is not an excuse for using vernacular citations. Sarvagnya 08:05, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Sarvagnya Deccan Herald and Hindu are pro-kannada newspapers because they dont have a wider readership if compared to TOI or IE.TOI or IE being that cant write one sided views like DH or Hindu.So Marathi citations can be used so that the article is balanced and not 'kannadised;.Mahawiki 08:39, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

So, any newspaper that has readership < TOI is pro Kannada?! Your logic is pure gold. You should edit this article. Sarvagnya 08:43, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Also TOI is a Maharashtra newspaper. And this issue as you may be aware of, concerns MH and Ktaka greatly. Are you expecting me to believe that they never covered this issue and only some Pudari or Ladari covered the issue? Sarvagnya 08:52, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

We would be setting a bad precedent by allowing citations from vernacular press on topics like Belgaum and Belgaum border dispute. Moreover, no translation was provided as required by Wikipedia:Citing sources#When_you_add_content. It looks ridiculous when people citing vernacular press complain of English citations from credible news papers like DH and Hindu. Naveenbm 08:56, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

TOI and IE are national newspapers so they are less likely write pro-Maha or pro-K'taka.TOI is not a Maharashtra newspaper.Its HQ is in Delhi also.And its Pudhari,i know u have some disorder but hope u can read Roman letters neatly.Since I have accepted ur Dakkan herald I hope u stop crying against Marathi newspapers just because truth is being unfolded.

Mahawiki 08:59, 8 October 2006 (UTC) And regarding creadiblity,go and see in Belgaon no one reads Dakkan herald or Hindu.Forget about Kannad newspapers!Daily Pudhari and Belgaon Tarun Bharat are as credible as Daccan herald if not more. Mahawiki 08:59, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Utcursh, Please take a look at Belgaum border dispute. Mahawiki has been adding POV to this article blatantly by citing Martati references (there are 3 such newly added references, all in Marathi) without providing translations as required by Wikipedia:Citing sources#When_you_add_content. At this rate, the entire article would lose its NPOV. Naveenbm 09:58, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Dear Utcursch, I request your attention here. Thank you. - KNM ^{Talk - Contribs} 15:17, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Dear Utcursh, Thanks for your clarification on Belaum border dispute page. Naveenbm 16:18, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Personal Attacks

Dear Utcursh, Please have a look at User talk:Mahawiki#Marathi_Paaul_Padate_Pudhe. Having a Marathi conversation, User:Mahawiki and User:Arya Rajya Maharastra are indulging in personal attacks against me and Sarvagnya, by accusing me of being Sarvagnya's Sockpuppet. We are induvidual contributros and accusing us of being sockpuppets is a nothing short of a Personal attack. This violates WP:Civility and WP:No personal attacks policies. Please take note of this and advise them to refrain from such behaviour. Naveenbm 16:31, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Is that even allowed, or should it be? This is the English version of Wikipedia, shouldn't English be the de jure language of on-site communication? I'm just wondering. - chsf 16:09, 10 October 2006 (CET)

It is not allowed. If non-English discussion is unavoidable, the editor writing in another language has to provide the translation in English.

Here is the Wikipedia guideline for the same, as mentioned in Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines

Use English: No matter to whom you are addressing your comments, it is preferred that you use English on English Wikipedia talk pages. This is because comments should be comprehensible to the community at large. If the use of another language is unavoidable, please provide a translation of the comments if possible or on request. If you cannot, it is your responsibility to either find a fluent third party to do so or to contact a translator through the Wikipedia:Embassy.

- KNM ^{Talk - Contribs} 16:34, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

One of them seems to have nominated the article on me for deletion (for a second time). :) Check out the IP address of the nominator, and the edits made from that address. I don't know if this is strictly legal, but I guess fun and games are on. :) And I would certainly rate this as a personal attack. Achitnis 18:25, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Could one of the admins please check which user had logged in from the ip address 219.91.208.221? Thanks! Achitnis 18:54, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Utcursch - I do know about checkuser - a dinner guest told me about it end of last month. ;) But I also read the rules which stated that this was to be used only after I tried everything else, so am trying to abide by that. But many thanks for keeping an eye on things - much appreciated. Achitnis 14:55, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Help Needed

If you are an expert on Hinduism related topic, I request you to have a look at this discussion. Please also vote here if you have a view on Raja Yoga. In any case, a particular user Swadhyayee is not only vandalising the article by removing an important section from it again and again, he is also making baseless allegations and called me sock puppet among other things. He has also warned me by saying that I should be careful of my age and experience. See this on my talk page. As you are an admin, I am seeking your help in this matter. I have kept my cool on that page and kept all my edits very much civil. But I am not willing to simply ignore the allegations and comments put by him. What should I do? Thanks --Apandey 17:55, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Do i need to provide all the translation or only of those quotes which are used in article?Morever I still await ur response on the citations sent by email.Thanks.

Mahawiki 06:16, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Sock Puppet ?

Hi, I hope you are aware that Swadhyayee has taken the Hinduism page to medation [3]. In one of the comments on that page [4], he has alleged all of us (all eight people who voted against him on Raja Yoga Controversy) of sock puppetry in the form of possible friendship etc. to support each other for voting and so on. I just wanted to bring that to your attention. Please express your views (if you desire so) on that page. Thanks. --Apandey 19:40, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello Utcursh, I request u to keep a eye on Belgaum border dispute article.I am going to use the source which I sent to u thru email.Thanks. Mahawiki 05:21, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikepedia is a Free Site

Thanks for your message. I am representing true picture of brahmins on the website. I do not agree with your page and consider it as a vandals work.

Defination of vandalism is different and i have found members on your website trying to play around with articles of other society. Before you give any warning messages please check your own house for vandals

Thanks and have a good day A true Brahmin

My RfA thanks

Hi, Utcursch/archive! Thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which succeeded with a final tally of 75/0/1! I hope I can live up to the standards of adminship, and I will try my best to make Wikipedia a better place. Feel free to send me a message if you need any assistance. :)

--Coredesat 16:31, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hey, thank you very much for the barnstar. It's appreciated.  :) --musicpvm 22:20, 17 October 2006 (UTC)