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Hello, Shubinator! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions to this free encyclopedia. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your username and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! --VS talk 05:58, 8 January 2009 (UTC) Getting started A tutorial • Our five pillars • Getting mentored How to: edit a page • upload and use images Getting help Frequently asked questions • Tips Where to ask questions or make comments Request administrator attention Policies and guidelines Neutral point of view • No original research Verifiability • Reliable sources • Citing sources What Wikipedia is not • Biographies of living persons Manual of Style • Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry Copyrights • Policy for non-free content • Image use policy External links • Spam • Vandalism Deletion policy • Conflict of interest • Notability The community Build consensus • Resolve disputes Assume good faith • Civility • Etiquette No personal attacks • No legal threats Community Portal • Village pump Signpost • IRC channels • Mailing lists Writing articles Be bold in editing • Develop an article The perfect article • Manual of style Stubs • Categories • Disambiguation Pages needing attention • Peer review Miscellaneous User name • User pages • Talk pages Clean up: General • Spam • Vandalism Join a WikiProject • Translation Useful templates • Tools • User scripts

DYK quick question

I think people can be flexible if they think you did a good enough job. Daniel Case (talk) 05:25, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Both, I guess. I've accepted less than 5x if the material was good, and believe me the way we review stuff you need not worry about it being exactly 120 hours. We're not that strict. Daniel Case (talk) 05:34, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Icos

On January 17, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Icos, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 11:40, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: Image

Yeah, it looks the same to me...inexplicably crisp in the history. I had this problem a long time ago and I don't remember what I did, other than just making a new version of the image (even just saving the raw image under a new name on my own computer) and then uploading that the same way. If you still have trouble, I suggest you get in touch with one of the people active at Wikipedia:Graphic Lab, where they specialize in cleaning up images; someone there might know what's going wrong. Politizer ^talk/_contribs 22:51, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

MV Domala

I've rejigged the refs so that the hook is now referenced as one sentence instead of two. Mjroots (talk) 22:41, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for The Greatest Pharaohs

I have taken your advice to heart and offered a shorter and more precise alternate hook. Thank you, Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 03:07, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Again, using your good advice I modified the education paragraph to make that specific assertion, and the use of the film in these courses is listed in course sylibi, course video requirements, or course video resources found in the various cites. Thank you. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 03:53, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I appreciate the AGF. I hate having found only copies of sylabi posted online by some professor for his/her students. And my finding it listed as in the media libraries for such courses is not nearly as good as the universies and colleges having such on their official websites. I am myself a few decades out of college, but it seems now that one has to be an enrolled student with University passwords to have that kind of access. Trust though that I'll keep looking. Best, Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 04:20, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

SS Benalbanach

I've replied on T:TDYK to your concerns. I don't think the source is a wiki as I can't edit it myself. Info has not been sourced from Wikipedia. Site uses the GFDL in a similar manner to Wikipedia. Mjroots (talk) 06:17, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Drug names question

Hi there! No, I wasn't suggesting all instances of "Cialis" be changed to "tadalafil", I was merely noting that the generic name is preferred. In this particular case, I think a distinction should be made between the compound and the product, as if the drug were hypothetically sold by various companies under various names; the article could thus write of Cialis ads, sales of Cialis, Cialis tablet, and Viagra, Levitra, and Cialis labels, but Main article: Tadalafil instead of Main article: Cialis; Tadalafil, sold as Cialis and initially codenamed IC351 instead of Cialis, also known as tadalafil and IC351 (the drug is not "also known as" tadalafil, it is called tadalafil and sold as Cialis); and [...] (NAION) in users of sildenafil (Viagra), not [...] (NAION), in Viagra users (the side effect is caused by the compound, regardless of its trade name, marketing, etc.). Sorry for all the italics :)

I think this is an important distinction; if you disagree, feel free to ignore me! The article is in really impressive shape, by the way. I'll try to review it in depth if I have the time. Best wishes, Fvasconcellos (t·c) 15:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! The INN of LeukArrest is rovelizumab; we even have an article on it, which is in need of some TLC (hint, hint :). I don't think Pafase has one, and resiniferatoxin is already a chemical (i.e. nonproprietary) name, so there's no need to worry about that. I'll read the article more thoroughly and comment at the PR. Best, Fvasconcellos (t·c) 13:56, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Apologies on behalf of Enigmaman

Hello Shubinator - Enigma has asked me to come to your talk page to pass on his apologies as to not being able to help with a request you left on his talk page. He is currently on a long wikibreak as a result of real life work issues. Best wishes.--VS ^talk 06:31, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I understand. For a while there I was wondering if I had something to do with him leaving...I was the last to post on his talk page. I had asked him to look at Icos, an article I'm editing; maybe you can glance over it instead? Shubinator (talk) 07:10, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Vitamin C and the Common Cold

Thanks for the catch. I've trimmed it.--ragesoss (talk) 02:16, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Erlizumab

On February 7, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Erlizumab, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 19:57, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

DYKAdminBot glitch

So you want me to do it manually? Daniel Case (talk) 20:57, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Alright. At least it did the hard part. Daniel Case (talk) 21:03, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, at T:DYK/Q we find out why ... there isn't anything in queue 4 or 5. How now? Daniel Case (talk) 21:06, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Done. Can you report this to whoever's in charge of the bot, if you haven't already? Daniel Case (talk) 21:10, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Rovelizumab

On February 8, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Rovelizumab, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky 01:48, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Johnny Kitagawa

Hi there. I've further expanded the article. If you'd care to have a look, the details are on [talk page]. Thanks. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 02:46, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: DYK

Sorry I wasn't able to help, but at least it's done now. :) Cheers, –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 19:37, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Me too -I was away from my computer, sorry (and feel free to ask again), Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 20:27, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I just had a look, and I think I'll leave it for another admin who's more familiar with the new DYK process. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 01:42, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm just a bit uncomfortable with the notion that I could screw up the main page. :) –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 01:46, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

I just did it, need to do the notices, etc.. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:02, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

OK, thanks for doing the credits. I will do the rest. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:07, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

I have not done a DYK update too often since the 5 queue system started. I took the hooks from Template:Did you know/Next update, not Queue 1. I will reset that and left the bot number so that Queue 1 is next in line. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:15, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Once you've done the credits let me know and I will clear the page. Away from my computer for 30 minutes or so now. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:19, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

OK, thnaks - I will hopefully be asleep in 6 hours. Glad to help, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:59, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK

Thank you for the heads up about the hook being too long for the Northern Woods and Water Route. There is an alternate offered now. SriMesh | talk 18:49, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

DYKcheck

I just used the tool on National Health Service Lottery. The tool gave a warning there were no inline citations. A simple glance show there are. Did I do something wrong when I checked the page or did I find a bug? Please leave a note on my talk when you answer. - Mgm|^(talk) 13:02, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

• Yes, I was working in IE. Sometimes I edit on a computer where no other browsers can be installed. Does the script work properly on Google Chrome? - Mgm|^(talk) 18:30, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
• I tried Chrome. Apparently, the link doesn't appear in the toolbox. Another question. How do you check other hooks than the top one directly on T:TDYK? - Mgm|^(talk) 00:23, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
• I can still see the "no inline citations" message in IE. Obviously the bug fix isn't working. - Mgm|^(talk) 08:32, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Queue page #5

I have cleared the page as it looks as if you did all the credits. If not, let me know. Gatoclass (talk) 04:24, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Raymond Charles Père

Hi! Thanks a lot for your contribution. Cheers. CeeGee (talk) 18:28, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Will do

Will do - need about 15 minutes first though Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 00:59, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

No problem - I was just opening a few tabs to remind myself how, and feeling my eyes glaze over! Shimgray | talk | 01:01, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for doing the credits - I will clear the queue and update the queue number next. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 01:42, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

All is done and I removed my duplicate DYK notices from user talk pages. Thanks again, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 01:47, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Re:DYK nomination of Kandurata province cricket team

Thanks for review. I added news and a bit history regarding the team. I think it ok now. Cheers!--Chanaka L (talk) 05:22, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK update

Will do - do you want to do the notices, or should I? Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 17:18, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

User:Victuallers just beat me to it, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 17:20, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Sure, if I am around I will be glad to help, thanks for asking Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 17:24, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Fine! Has the bot been bust long? How do people know? Victuallers (talk) 17:26, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Update on update

OK, I have refreshed the mainpage. Can you do the creds? Let me know if I stuffed up anything. bit rusty. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:50, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks!

Given the history of that Wilbur Wright film, I'm surprised that there wasn't already an article. A radio control flying buddy sent me the link and I about fell off the chair when I saw the onboard shot. Just freaking amazing. Thanks much for the help. When you have a moment, could I impose on you to review my entry for the Orbitron custom car? Interesting story to say the least. I did it on the 15th. Thanks again! --PMDrive1061 (talk) 02:01, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

An odd DYKcheck bug

Hi. After I added 3 alt hooks to Template talk:Did you know#John Biehl (all added at one time), I ran DYKcheck on the entry. It checked the original hook and the first alt, but not ALT2 or ALT3. I've reloaded the page, and the results are the same. Any idea why it ignores the other hooks? (They're clearly shorter than ALT1, so the results for these hooks don't matter.) --Orlady (talk) 18:54, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

The hooks weren't formatted right; they have to start with "... that" exactly, with the space between the ellipses and "that". It's to make sure the tool doesn't get confused about people just ruminating in the comments section. I've fixed the John Biehl hooks and the tool should pick up on them now. Shubinator (talk) 18:59, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! So far, so good. Does the script also get messed up when there is a comma after 'that"? This is the only way I can explain its failure to find the second hook for Template talk:Did you know#Compounds of zinc. For better or worse, sometimes it's necessary to insert a comma after "that". --Orlady (talk) 20:33, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right. I put that in also so the tool doesn't pick up on someone in the comments saying something like "... that's impossible". I've tweaked it now so it finds the hook if it starts with "... that," (as well as the original "... that "). Thanks! Shubinator (talk) 21:04, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

And another. The tool always gets messed up at [1], regardless of how the URL is entered. --Orlady (talk) 15:40, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I think it's because Boxhill (Louisville) is also mentioned (and wikilinked!) in the Ronald-Brennan House nom, so it's finding all the hooks between the first mention of Boxhill (Louisville) and the nom after the Boxhill one. I think I've got a fix for this bug with finding a ton of hooks, but I have to test it out. Bit busy now, but I should get it done by Thursday. Shubinator (talk) 17:57, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I've tried piping all of those links to "Boxhill (Louisville)", but that doesn't help. --Orlady (talk) 18:09, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Haha, that's clever, but it wouldn't work. The tool looks at the HTML on T:TDYK to find the correct section and the hook. I had it find the start of a section by finding a link to the article title. It doesn't matter if it's piped in the wikitext or not, the HTML will have the same link. I've fixed it now though to be specific to the correct section. This should also work if there are multiple noms of the same title. Going back to how the tool does its job...for most of the stuff it reads HTML (finding hooks, calculating prose, calculating expansion, finding inline citations, and checking for stub tags in the article itself). This is for two reasons: 1) If you've got the page open, the tool doesn't need to ask for info from Wikipedia's servers to work with HTML for the page, and 2) The prosesize tool was made for reading HTML code. DYKcheck does check the talk page of an article using the wikitext though, since you're not on the page and there's no need to calculate the prose of the talk page. Anyways, long story short, this bug should be fixed. Thanks! Shubinator (talk) 21:40, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK update

I just finished protecting the pic. Yes, please do the credits. Daniel Case (talk) 19:05, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I am not sure if you use a script to notify nominators or if you do it by hand. If it is a script there was an error in this edit. BTW I updated the hook to correct an error which crept in in copying. Agathoclea (talk) 20:02, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Whoops, my bad. Your nomination credit was listed below Giant Electric Ray, so I thought you had nommed that article. Thanks for letting me know. Shubinator (talk) 20:43, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for doing the credits on this round (the round following Daniel Case's edit). Royalbroil 01:39, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Sure, I'm always glad to help out. Just doing my share at DYK. Shubinator (talk) 02:01, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Which queue should I use? Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:29, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Dravecky's got it. Thanks though! Shubinator (talk) 02:30, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

OK, thanks and thanks to Dravecky Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:40, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

For future reference, the next queue to be updated is shown at the top of T:DYK/Q. See my note at WT:DYK#Manual_update_from_Queue_1 for another admin task. Oh, and T:DYK/N could be moved to queue 5. And thanks for being so responsive! Shubinator (talk) 02:44, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I was confused as the DYK Talk header said Queue 1. Did not delete the picture as it was already there as a FP. I moved the Next Update to Queue 5. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:55, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh, yeah. I should make new sections for update requests. There's a consolation admin task at WT:DYK :) Shubinator (talk) 03:00, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! Shubinator (talk) 04:53, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

WT:DYK

Don't worry too much about Ottava Rima's harrassment. You're getting a crash course in the life cycle of an Ottava Rima argument. 1) O R makes a wrong assertion about a set of rules he doesn't understand [2]/[3]; 2) someone points out that he is simply wrong [4]/[5]; 3) crowd goes wild (not pictured); 4) O R tries to have the rules changed to make him right [6][7]/; 5) everyone shoots the proposal down.[8]/[9]. It's barely even worth paying attention anymore; hopefully I can keep myself distracted for a bit and not get drawn too deep into it. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 05:30, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I've gone over the archives before. Everyone deserves some WP:AGF. If the discussion stays civil I'll stay in for a bit. Shubinator (talk) 05:42, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

You too - keep it civil. Shubinator (talk) 19:31, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your help...but I lost the ability to AGF with this editor when he frivolously accused me of being a sock puppeteer, spread lies about me to other editors whom I respect, and threatened to try to get me banned just because I pointed out that one of his DYK articles was too short. And if you haven't noticed yet, he's not interested in contributing productively to DYK or improving the project, he just wants to have drama. He won't actually go through with any of his threats. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 19:47, 28 February 2009 (UTC)