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Hi, I see you made Mount Pleasant, Queensland into a disambiguation page, which looks like a good thing. I see it though because I am participating in wp:DPL group that works to eliminate ambiguous terms, and the change transformed a number of inbound links to become ambiguous links. I am not at all familiar with which ones should be edited to link to Mount Pleasant, Queensland (Moreton Bay Region) vs. Mount Pleasant, Queensland (Mackay Region). Could you possibly please edit them?

The links to fix are most of the inbound links.

An easy way to fix them (if you are familiar with the facts and can identify which target is intended) is to use this "dab fix list" report. Just click on "Fix" for each of them and select the proper target.

Maybe too much info? or you know it?

Anyhow, thanks for improving Wikipedia already. --doncram 02:48, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

I think there is something broken in dabfix. It insists that Mount Pleasant, Queensland (Mackay Region) is a redlink on the disambiguation page, but when I look at the disambiguation page, it is a blue link (as it should be). I think something is not updating correctly somewhere. Kerry (talk) 03:51, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

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Linkage

Hi Kerry, thanks for adding links to articles about Queensland people, but sometimes you're adding too many, which goes against the manual of style's guidance about linking. According to the above-linked section, links shouldn't be repeated in the body of an article (but an extra link in the lead section, an image caption, etc) is fine. I've fixed your edits at Townsville twice. Graham87 13:09, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Graham, for fixing them, but I'm happy to fix them myself if you just want to point it out if I have failed to notice myself. Kerry (talk) 20:56, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

RfC announce: Religion in infoboxes

There is an RfC at Template talk:Infobox#RfC: Religion in infoboxes concerning what should be allowed in the religion entry in infoboxes. Please join the discussion and help us to arrive at a consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 22:29, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Yabulu

Thanks Kerry!
Be good if I got the correct company name per the source though [1].
About time Queensland Nickel has its own page perhaps? Or is the Palmer Nickel and Cobalt Refinery all it runs? 220 of ^Borg 03:38, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

If you have the sources, go for it. Our coverage of industry in Australia isn't too good so more would be better. Kerry (talk) 03:42, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Having just watched the TV news, it might be around much longer ... Kerry (talk) 09:35, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Not around, did you mean? I am spending too much time here already, and am in the throws of moving 'residence', so not too much time available. IIRC they haven't been paying their workers superannuation recently either! 220 of ^Borg 10:58, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

• AusLondonder has done the 'duty' [2]. 220 of ^Borg 11:06, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, yes, I meant "not around". Thanks AusLondonder! Kerry (talk) 22:01, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

These are for you...

Hi Kerry, I'm grateful for your "thank-you" for South African War Memorial...the flowers are for you (I like them too!). SethWhales ^talk 13:27, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Royal Society of Queensland

Hello Kerry,

I hope you will not mind if I revert your edits to Eremophila cordatisepala, Melaleuca formosa and M. groveana. There was a link to Proceedings of the Royal Society of Queensland which in turn has a link to Royal Society of Queensland. Your edits unfortunately produce: "[[Proceedings of the Royal Society of Queensland]]" (including the [[ ]]). Gderrin (talk) 00:43, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

No worries at all. I had been adding links to both the society and its proceedings. I thought I had been careful to prevent the scenario you found but evidently not careful enough. I just went back now and double-checked and found one other case that had slipped through, so thanks for letting me know. Kerry (talk) 01:04, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

You failed to note

This replaces User:Peter Horn of which I lost the password. Peter Horn.2 (talk) 04:09, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Actually I did notice. I tried to find out if there was a way to get your accounts merged (still waiting for an answer though). But I welcomed your new account, as otherwise Twinkle would keep nagging me and other Twinkle people to do so. Sooner or later someone would have welcomed your new account so I figured it might as well be me. Kerry (talk) 04:16, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Technology is wonderful...when it works. Peter Horn.2 (talk) 15:36, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

articles for use in training class

Eg William Salkeld (politician) and others ...

Perhaps it would be better/safer to create them as subpages of your sandbox, and move them at the start of the training class, rather than relying on editors reading the edit summary. Mitch Ames (talk) 01:16, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

First thing Monday morning, I will busy with sorting out all the on-site arrangements, including the all the local IT arrangements, photocopying, etc, and then running the session, so I need to get this prep work done this morning as there is no other time available to me before the class. I wish we had a better way to "ring fence" articles being used for training but we don't unfortunately. This is the latest I can do the prep work on the articles given I have other commitments the rest of today. Kerry (talk) 01:24, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

best of luck with the new project - hope it all goes well! as for the suggestion from mitch I would second that - put it in a sandbox JarrahTree 01:30, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Your trainees

See George Davenport (Queensland politician). The various users with almost identical user pages that are apparently participating in this training are attracting some attention. As a CheckUser, I was contacted about this privately. It would be better if each user had a short note on their user page about their participation in the training. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:08, 8 February 2016 (UTC)\

What basis did these various users propose as Grounds for checking? Vandalism? Sock puppetry? Disruption? I hope you refused and referred these users to WP:AGF and WP:NOBITE. It's really sad that some members of our community were aware of these new users, yet thought that seeking to invade their privacy by requesting a CheckUser was more appropriate course of action than bothering to write a message of welcome to these new users (a one-click action in Twinkle) yet none of them appear to have received any message of welcome (apart from the ones I added hours later). And we wonder why we have declining numbers of active editors when we treat our new contributors in this way?! Certainly I find it highly demotivating given the volunteer time and effort I put into it. Kerry (talk) 08:17, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

What members of our community were "aware of these new users"? And how?--Bbb23 (talk) 12:36, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Clearly they were "aware of these new users" enough to contact you, but not to, say, welcome them to the project considering they were all making plainly good-faith (and not even problematic) edits. The Drover's Wife (talk) 13:11, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

I interpret this was a 2-day course and it's over now. I have done a copyedit over the George Davenport (Queensland politician) article, and provided some comments on its talk page, if the new editor is interested to keep working on it. I think it's great to encourage new people to help contribute, and hope that I have demonstrated the collaborative nature of a wiki. --Scott Davis ^Talk 14:19, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Scott Davis. Yes, you are right about the training being over now. Actually it was two half-day training classes on separate days. It was originally scheduled for Monday but we were oversubscribed relative to the number of PCs in the room so the group was then split over 2 days to accommodate everyone. I gave a talk about Wikipedia at the venue last week, which generated a high level of interest in the editing training. We spend most of the half-day session developing their User Page to learn the basics of text formatting, adding links and citations. Then I let them loose on new stub articles that I have created (we have a lot of redlinked Qld MLAs still and they provide me with a great set of topics for the new users to develop their skills). Incidentally this is the first group where I have taught the Visual Editor rather than the source editor. I think the Visual Editor was much easier for them to learn; previous training groups have struggled with the markup. Thanks all! Kerry (talk) 21:12, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

My apologies for accidental rollback

Hi. This roll back was an accident: [3]. Please accept my apologies for any inconvenience. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 06:52, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

No worries. I had guessed it was an accident as I couldn't think of any good reason why someone would have objected to it. I've made the same mistake on occasion (too many windows open at once, etc). Kerry (talk) 06:56, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

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Changes to Fort Lytton and Fort Lytton National Park

Kerry,

Thank you for your interest. You may recall I am a member of Fort Lytton Historical Association. Let me summarise some of the issues behind the changes.

First, we have found there is considerable confusion between the national park and the historic fort. Up until now there have been two pages on Wiki: Fort Lytton and Fort Lytton National Park. Fort Lytton (FL) redirected to Fort Lytton National Park (FLNP). FLNP was inconsistent. It said a little about the national park, and a lot about the fort. However, it did not say an equal amount about the Quarantine Station, which for practical purposes has the same status as the fort. (FYI: A small part of the Quarantine Station will be open to the public for the first time in Brisbane Open House this year). Instead, there is a separate page about the Quarantine Station. It seems reasonable to create a separate page for the fort also. Futhermore, the national park is an interesting entity in its own right, being Queensland's first historic park, and deserves its own page. Hence the major structural change has been to separate the fort from the national park.

The other major change has been in the structure of the Fort Lytton page. The original page focused on two major aspects of the fort's history, the colonial era and what happened after the fort was closed down. The Fort Lytton complex was of major defensive importance during WW2 and this is arguably as significant as its colonial role. The story of what happened after the fort was closed down is arguably not appropriate for this page and might be more appropriate in the FLNP page (note: FLHA's Secretary, Harry Linas, is one of the two authors of that section of the page, and he is comfortable with its removal for the moment). The original material on the colonial fort has been substantially maintained but shortened to create a balance with the new WW2 section. The new gallery is expected to be expanded substantially.

I would be happy to discuss this further.

Regards,

Mike MightDo (talk) 03:09, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

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Why does this page say "Material published on this website...is protected by copyright" and then "All of the text published on this website is licensed using a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Australia licence". These notices happen too often but in this case there appears to be contradictory notices. - Shiftchange (talk) 10:33, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

It's not contradictory. Only the copyright owner of the material can authorise its reuse under a CC license and a CC license does not extinguish that copyright ownerhsip. Or to put it another way, you cannot give others the rights to reuse something you don't own in the first place. Although I have seen some people claim that CC-0 is public domain, I do not believe this is strictly true as the copyright remains with the owner in CC-0 but they are effectively the same in terms of ability to re-use. It's also important (in this particular example) to note the distinction between the "material" being copyright but the "text" being CC-licensed, which tells us that not-text (e.g. images) are not CC-licensed. Kerry (talk) 23:23, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Mornington Standard

Hi Kerry,

My father is wondering if there is any chance you can help him with the following:

Re: Your entry on the "Mornington Standard" "... last modified on the 23 July 2015, at 23.54."

I live in hope that your contributor who provided this article on the "Mornington Standard" will be able to help me. This newspaper firm also published the "Frankston and Somerville Standard" as part of their enterprise.

One of the contributors who wrote for the "Frankston and Somerville Standard" in the early 1920s was an individual who signed himself as "Strathmore." His contributions covered a range of subjects, but especially local football, racing and other subjects including one on an Sikh hawker called Pollah Singh. The article appeared on the 15 August 1923 with the title: "Only a Hawker But a Man at That." (Reviewed by 'Strathmore')."

Pollah Singh was well known in our family, as he was a hawker in the Victorian Upper Murray and stayed at the pastoral station, called Thologolong , for a week each year. My mother and her brothers and sisters remembered his visits as memorable events. It would add to the veracity of what "Strathmore" wrote, if I knew who he was. It would be an added bonus if there was some information on his life.

Hoping that you will be able to assist me.

Thanks Kate — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhenwood (talk • contribs) 10:10, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Selwyn House, Mackay

Hi Kerry, I was wondering if you knew who owned the selwyn house in Mackay? Or if you knew who I could contact about it? Thanks in advance Bec — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bec1973 (talk • contribs) 07:44, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Bec1973! This 2006 newspaper article mentions the name of the owner and a check in the White Pages online has them still listed at that address. Kerry (talk) 10:44, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

FDA Carstens Memorial

Thanks for your message. I visited Port Douglas for a few days last year on a family holiday. It was the first time I'd been there for just over 20 years. Although Port Douglas is quite a high profile place, Wikimedia Commons didn't have many images of it, so I decided to do something about that problem. I'm glad you like the FDA Carstens Memorial image. Some of the other places I photographed while in North Queensland are also on the Queensland Heritage Register, eg St Mary's by the Sea. Bahnfrend (talk) 05:54, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

If it's on the Queensland Heritage Register, be assured I will get there sooner or later. I'm about 2/3rds of the way through it. Kerry (talk) 07:46, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

statistics

"Page view statistics" no longer works for me. Could this be due to "browser no longer supports..." syndrome, or something else? Qexigator (talk) 09:09, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

I'm no expert in the implementation/operation of these tools. I just click the link and hope it works for me. I know there has been some change in the way they collect the underlying data a few months so a number of these tools can only work over last few months of data now. Kerry (talk) 00:04, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Maybe this will be mended in time. Qexigator (talk) 00:16, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

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Hi there. I recently came across User:Kerry Raymond/State Library of Queensland/First World War Wikipedian in Residence (it was through the notifications system, as someone linked from Roma War Memorial and Heroes Avenue to an article I created and I then looked up who created that article). It is really good to see an example of a Wikipedian-in-residence programme established specifically to increase coverage of World War I (in this case in Queensland). I have wanted for a while to try and get an overview of the work being done on Wikipedia on WW1 topics and to make more people aware of what is being done (and what has been done), but have not had much time to do that recently. Do you know specifically of any other Wikipedians in Residence who are specifically focused on WW1? Carcharoth (talk) 06:55, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

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I had a bright idea. I went to the Military History project on Wikipedia and did a search of their discussion archives looking for the term "residence" and that turned up a few. Kerry (talk) 23:38, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

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Fine with me, I have renamed it. Kerry (talk) 23:59, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

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Hi Kerry, Many thanks for the recent thanks. I'm really enjoying dabbling in Wikipedia again and am fiercely determined not to become disheartened this time. While I'm grateful to receive helpful advice and constructive criticism, I'm puzzled as to why some new articles are declined in Articles of Creation while others will fly through in a matter of days. I appreciate that every editor generously brings their own unique knowledge and specialist subject areas to the review process but, is there a process that directs regional content to editors with a greater understanding of Queensland or Australian subject matters? There are a number of significant local people and places I wish to create articles for but am hesitant to proceed. C (talk) 10:29, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

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Hi Kerry, Many thanks. That certainly does help clarify things about this particular article. I'll have a good look at the Landmarks section in Southport, Queensland. Coastal.culture.vulture (talk) 19:50, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

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Hey, just so you know - Atherton Chinese Temple already had an article at Hou Wang Temple, which is what the National Trust calls it. Any thoughts on how to solve that one? I think I'd be inclined to go with "Hou Wang Temple" - lots more Google hits and it's what I remember it as. The Drover's Wife (talk) 10:05, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Hou Wang Temple is fine with me. Kerry (talk) 00:11, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

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Re: List of Gold Coast suburbs

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Tech News: 2016-25

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• Notifications were not always marked as read when you followed a link from an email notification. This will now happen. [11]

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• The list of other languages an article is available in will be shorter on small Wikipedias and non-Wikipedia projects. This is to make it easier to find the most relevant languages for each user. You will still be able to see the other languages. [12][13]
• Alerts (the red badge) will not be automatically marked as read when you open the Notifications popup. [14]
• When you get several thanks you can see them as one notification. This is instead of one notification for each thanks. [15]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 June. It will be on all wikis from 23 June (calendar).

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Einasleigh

Ooh, good catch. That just looks to be wrong to me - Labor was ousted in 1929 and returned in 1932, not from 1923 to 1926, and it's a very odd date range for a typo. Both the Labor Premiers in those years (Ted Theodore in 1923 and William McCormack in 1926) were friends who had their careers ended by the Mungana affair over their dealings with state-owned enterprises in far North Queensland, so I would find it highly unlikely there was any ideological difference there. Arthur Edward Moore, the CPNP leader who came to power in 1929, was the one who kicked off the Mungana affair inquiry, so I would imagine he was anti-state enterprises - but that's well off date-wise. I have no idea whether the QHR has the years of closure wrong or has the reasons for the closure wrong, but it seems as if one of them has to be.

I don't have any plans for this afternoon so I'll jump on Trove and see if I can turn up any explanation. The Drover's Wife (talk) 07:42, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

This is surprisingly baffling. This article from December 1923 makes no reference to the smelter having closed and touts the justifications for having kept it open. There were seasonal shutdowns but it appears to have been open into 1926. The smelters were closed in March 1927 due to inadequate ore supplies, with Moore re-opening the smelters in 1929 (!) but not because of an ideological difference over state-owned enterprises.

The QHR is totally and strangely off on both counts, and the article itself is easily enough fixed if we just correct the dates and reason. (I'm surprised the Mungana affair isn't mentioned in the article, because Einasleigh was referenced a lot in that whole saga and it was a huge scandal in its day.) The Drover's Wife (talk) 08:27, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for working out what happened. It's unusual for the QHR to be so wrong about something but there's no way what they wrote makes any sense. I'm happy to see the Mungana affair mentioned in the article; as you say it was a huge scandal. Kerry (talk) 08:42, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-26

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• The ORES service has now moved to a new location. This should make it easier to use ORES. The ORES review service is now available as a beta feature on Wikidata and Persian Wikipedia. ORES is an artificial intelligence system for Wikimedia wikis to help editors. [16]
• The order of wikis in collapsed cross-wiki notifications was different than when the list was expanded. This is now fixed. [17]
• A new category for tracking pages with math errors was added: Category:Pages with math errors. [18]

Problems

• The Wikimedia Etherpad crashed on June 23. Some edits done that day have been lost. They can be found at etherpad-restore.wikimedia.org for another few days. [19][20]

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 28 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 29 June. It will be on all wikis from 30 June (calendar).
• The way to mark notifications as read or unread will be changed to be more clear. [21]

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• Catalan and Polish Wikipedias will have Wikidata descriptions added to articles in the mobile view by default. This is currently a beta option for the mobile versions. This might come to other wikis later. [28]

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Charles Brown (Australian politician)

Hi Kerry, here's a good one for you. It has me puzzled and I am really not sure which is which. Charles Victor Watson Brown was the member for Gregory from 1939 until 1941.

In the Courier Mail he is called Dr C.V. Watson Brown and just Dr Brown. "CLOSE GREGORY VOTE". The Courier-mail. No. 1790. Queensland, Australia. 29 May 1939. p. 1. Retrieved 3 July 2016 – via National Library of Australia.

His birth announcement in the Sydney Morning Herald has him as plain Brown. "Family Notices". The Sydney Morning Herald. No. 17, 850. New South Wales, Australia. 4 June 1895. p. 1. Retrieved 3 July 2016 – via National Library of Australia.

The Queensland Government Births, deaths, marriages and divorces describes his name as Watson-Brown for his death https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/querySubmit.m?ReportName=MarriageSearch

Gordon Chalk called him Dr Watson Brown at the motion of condolence in Hansard http://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/documents/hansard/1970/1970_07_23.pdf (Page 67)

And finally, this is Charles' brother's marker at Mt Thompson Memorial Gardens http://www.heavenaddress.com/restingplace/l-watson--brown/398841

Now the question is of course, what do you think his name should be on Wikipedia?

The annexing of middle name into a hyphenated surname (or two-word surname) is quite common for people with very common surnames. Another example is Charles Kingsford Smith, which you will also see written Kingsford-Smith. Some people formalise it by deed poll but others just do it. In the pre-computing era, you could be somewhat relaxed with what you called yourself, whereas today your name needs to exactly match other record about you held in computers so your exact name becomes more important. I note that the registration of death and other consequent arrangements (burial, funeral notices, etc) are done by the family and not the individual, so if they write it Watson-Brown, then that's what appears in those documents, regardless of what Charles may have preferred to use as his name. As far as the Wikipedia article is concerned, his notability is being a Qld MLA and the Qld Parliament entry has him as surname Brown and not Watson-Brown, so that is what I would use for the article title and refer to him in the text as simply Brown. But I would create a redirect for Charles Victor Watson-Brown to it, and add a note to the lede along the lines of "Charles Victor Watson Brown (also known as Charles Victor Watson-Brown) (dates) was an Australian politician". Then the reader knows and won't be upset by finding the hypenated form in any of the citations. Kerry (talk) 02:38, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2016-27

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• The "⧼citoid-citefromidtool-title⧽" button in the visual editor's toolbar will move into the "Insert" menu except for Wikipedias, Wikibookses and Wikiversities. This is to make it less prominent on wikis that don't use it as much. [30]
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19:45, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Wallaroo

I assumed as much (I've been doing a bunch of work on the Wallaroo SA area) but didn't know enough about the linked NSW town to definitively correct it - so absolutely reasonable. The Drover's Wife (talk) 09:40, 8 July 2016 (UTC)