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2015 Pan American Games

The 2015 Pan American Games are here. Hope Sportsfan 1234 and TheGreenGiant23 allow us to get involved... Osplace 13:53, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

You don't need to have my permission for any kind, I never stop someone to contribute to the 2015 Pan An Games, in fact I let a ton of messages on the talk page of users who contribute in the past for p.a. pages soliciting their help and no one respond me. If you want to see wrong behaviour (or lack of communication), you should check more with Sportsfan 1234, who does only what he want and never ask for cooperation or help or any kind. Really, this kind of remark by Osplace is insulting, to say the least. TheGreenGiant23 (talk) 22:56, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Pan Am Games 1951 Buenos Aires

I'd like to help but I'm not user and my English not is good enough. However I can say about 1951 games, that although the article puts under dispute the number of medals, PASO has its official medal count with no discrepancy. Anyway some sports don't have his details, when the info is disponible in the web. In this way, with all the details us can see the total of medals, for example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrestling_at_the_1951_Pan_American_Games , This are the medals of Wrestling: https://unitedworldwrestling.org/database

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rowing_at_the_1951_Pan_American_Games , This are the medals of Rowing: http://www.usrowing.org/docs/default-source/historical-results/PanAmMedalCount.pdf?sfvrsn=0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_at_the_1951_Pan_American_Games , This are the medals of Tennis: http://www.usta.com/About-USTA/Organization/Yearbook/22998_2008_USTA_Yearbook__Pan_American_Games/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_at_the_1951_Pan_American_Games , This are the medals of shooting: http://www.issf-sports.org/competitions/results.ashx

All are official references (no one of Argentina, 2 Internacional federations -Shooting/Wrestling-, and 2 USA sport association).

Only left Sailing, still searching. If you can help development that articles, can be great.

Cheers.Hernán201.235.95.123 (talk) 22:11, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Competitors list

Greetings. Recently, someone (probably Sportsfan 1234) has created a new table: delegation per sport and gender competitors list. This is located in must nation at games at the 2015 Pan Am Games. Is this ok? Sinces is not included in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Olympics/Manual of Style, probably not... Just asking to the Fathers and Creators. --Osplace 04:39, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Pictograms

Is the use of pictograms ok? Using pictograms in every nations at games article will really overlink those pictograms, like this use from Chantella28. Osplace 18:09, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

  • The purpose is to provide a visual cue for the respective sports disciplines and, for mine, I don't think they'll be overlinked. I suspect it would be a fraction of the overall linkage of flagicons, for example. -- Ham105 (talk) 21:16, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
No, pictograms should not be used in my opinion. The same with linking in headers. Kante4 (talk) 14:13, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
Agree on no pictograms. Osplace 12:37, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
And I would disagree. I find them extremely helpful for people who have English as a second language. And if you look at the number of times each pictogram has been used, it is indeed a fraction, as Ham105 said Chantella28 (talk) 15:15, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
I agree with Chantella28, but this goes against MOS so I will have to say no. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:48, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

  • True, although the MOS heading question might be resolved by moving the icon down one line e.g.:
Athletics
 
-- Ham105 (talk) 15:59, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

I was invited into this discussion. I would prefer to limit the use of pictograms in places where space is at a premium, like table headers for example. I'd disagree on using them in section headers, as text should be enough. –HTD 20:34, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

2015 pan am games doping control

I am very confused and am hoping for some assistance. There are two Peruvian athletes that have been publicly implicated (Mauricio Fiol, and the marathon winner), who would lose medals if confirmed. There are spanish news stories that implicate that Fiol's medal has been stripped but the games website shows no change, and the CBC ran a story yesterday still using "if" statements to describe the possibility of more Canadian medals. I tried reverting the swimming results back until there is some kind of official word, but gave up. If the CBC is not crediting Canadians with additional medals, is it appropriate for us to?18abruce (talk) 18:32, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Found this, bizarre that canadian media, or even official results do not take it into account.18abruce (talk) 14:46, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

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Military World Games

The 2015 version is ongoing, but we have nothing yet! Osplace 12:22, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Are there Commonwealth Youth Games notable enough...

Are the Commonwealth Youth Games notable enough to have individual pages for nations like Cook Islands at the 2011 Commonwealth Youth Games as I plan to work on some of these? The 2015 Commonwealth Youth Games have no individual pages for nations - is there a reason why? Thanks. Leeds United FC fan (talk) 17:00, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

I don't think they are necessary, but are notable. I believe there are no individual nation pages for 2015, because there were a lack of editors/interest in getting them started. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:49, 24 April 2016 (UTC) @Leeds United FC fan

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Redundancy in Schedule Table

The Schedule Table at 2013 Islamic Solidarity Games has 4 empty (and unnecessary) date columns at the beginning. Who knows how to remove them safely? Please do so. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 05:26, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

 Y Done. -- Ham105 (talk) 07:14, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

A navbox, a sidebar, and an infobox all walk into a room

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2017 Bolivarian Games

The 2017 Bolivarian Games are already happening! --Osplace 19:20, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

"Lusophony" Games

I was polishing up some pages from the Jeux de la Francophonie, and followed a link to the Portuguese equivalent, the Jogos da Lusofonia. These are translated into English in Wikipedia - and only in Wikipedia - as the "Lusophony Games," on many, many linked pages. The problem is, there is no word "Lusophony" in the English language. The correct translation (and word in the article titles) should be "Lusophone" (in both the adjective and noun forms, just like "Francophone" and "Anglophone"). If you Google the term "Lusophony," you'll see the only place the term is used is in these Wikipedia pages, and the term does not exist in the dictionary. I'd like to propose correcting, and changing, all these pages and use of the term to the correct English. Whoever created all these pages didn't know the correct word in English. It's kind of embarrassing that all these Wikipedia articles have a non-existent word in their titles. What to do? Bruxism (talk) 05:35, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

It seems unlikely given how the 2017 Games appear to have been cancelled with no official comment whatsoever, but is there any official English-language communication from the ACOLOP that uses "Lusophone" (or "Lusophony" for that matter)? SellymeTalk 11:57, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

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2018 Commonwealth Games

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Something tells me we will be fighting speedy deletion the entire way, as happens to any Games that are not the Olympics. Jeff in CA (talk) 16:12, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

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Categories

I created Category:European Championships medalists because exists Category:European Games medalists that is a similar multi-sports events. And then all the international media report the medal table of the championships, as it is here. @Kante4: does not agree and for this to deleted the inclusion in the category, which I had put, the articles of some swimmers. What do you think? --Kasper2006 (talk) 08:07, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

In case for the swimming events, there is already the Category:European Aquatics Championships medalists in swimming. So i think it is not needed, as this is not a new event, just some EC put together at the same time. Kante4 (talk) 08:09, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
Also for the other six European Championships of the event exists (or could be created), the relative category. But one does not exclude the other. --Kasper2006 (talk) 08:11, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
@Kante4: you must be lost something if you say that "this is not a new event" :) Look the official site of the event: 2018 European Championships --Kasper2006 (talk) 08:17, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, was not clear enough. It is a new event, but the EC's are not. Just put together. Kante4 (talk) 08:18, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
This is the first edition of the event that will be disputed every four years. It was conceived as a mini Olimpycs and is having more media success than the European Games. I'm sure the time will convince you too, but you could convince yourself right away. ;) --Kasper2006 (talk) 08:22, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
Does not change my view about the categories, which this is about. I know that this will be held more often (pending on success and response from sportlers). I go with the consensus of course, if there is one here. Kante4 (talk) 08:24, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
I'm not sure that the medalists need to have 1 parent category. At the European Games, all the event are held in 1 place (like Olympics), while EC is held in UK and Germany - I don't feel the connection to be that strong either. I don't mind if they exist though. --Pelmeen10 (talk) 14:08, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

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2019 European Games controversy

I was adding this:

Human Rights Watch that questioned the EOC over the treatment of journalists by the Belarusian government. In response to the concerns over the country's human rights situation, the EOC has yet to name a journalist rights monitor (https://www.rferl.org/a/rights-groups-call-for-hotline-during-2019-european-games-in-belarus/29918772.html and https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1079347/eoc-will-name-press-freedom-monitor-for-minsk-2019-but-stresses-it-believes-organisers-will-keep-their-word)

I wanted to add this because Belarus's human rights record will affect the 2019 games but Tomcat removed it without acutally explaining why. These articles and the edit has good explaination about the controversies surrounding these games. RainbowSilver2ndBackup (talk) 02:21, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

2023 European Games host

Krakow and the surrounding Lesser Poland region have been unanimously elected to host the 3rd European Games in 2023.

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Question RE: Use of official results documents from multi-sport games

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Coordinator

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2023 Pan American Games

Has it been confirmed that that the 2023 Pan American Games has been rescheduled for October and November? I could not find proof. TheBigJagielka (talk) 12:18, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

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Lusophony Games article name

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  Done Twin topic has been automatically created below. This one is to be deleted. VLaiquendi (talk) 09:45, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

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A discussion is ongoing at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 October 31#Tennis at multi-sport competitions about numerous tennis MSE navbox templates which have been replaced by Template:Infobox tennis tournament event and Template:Infobox tennis tournament year. Any comments therein by WP:MSE members would be appreciated. Sod25 (talk) 14:32, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Are "Men's Singles" and "Women's Doubles", etc., proper names?

At WT:WikiProject Tennis#Are "Men's Singles" and "Women's Doubles", etc., proper names? we're discussing whether these subevents should be capped. Join if interested. (this is User:Dicklyon, not logged in, on another's computer). 2601:645:8700:2F90:F07C:BC6B:32AA:486F (talk) 23:29, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

The decision was that these are not proper names. The 5425 tennis articles that had them in title case have been moved to sentence case, after RM discussion and bot approval. Still working on cleanup edits. Maybe there's room for more such edits in multi-sport event articles, too? Dicklyon (talk) 19:47, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Moving East Timor at... articles

Following a discussion with the Olympics WikiProject there's a rough consensus to move "East Timor at the ... Olympics" articles to be "Timor Leste at the... Olympics" largely due to it being what everyone calls them and how the IOC tracks them in their databases. Before I move all of the "East Timor at the ..." articles (e.g. Aquatics and Asian Games) I figured I'd post here to see if there's any opposition; I note that in all of the databases I've looked at for these games, they are officially entered as Timor Leste so we would be matching official records. Thanks in advance for the thoughts. (please do not ping on reply) Primefac (talk) 19:54, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

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Infobox templates

A discussion relevant to this WikiProject, titled Article infobox, was started at Talk:Judo at the 2022 Commonwealth Games.

The main issue in discussion: Should the same infobox template be used across all event articles, in out case {{Infobox Commonwealth Games event}}, or could a substitute, sport-specific template be used in its stead — so long as it provides all relevant multi-sport event functionalities as the former? In our case, the sport specific template in discussion is {{Infobox judo competition event}}.

Edit: the following is my side of the argument. The other could be found in the discussion linked to in the first sentace.
As you can see, when an NOC is given as a parameter to Infobox judo competition even, the infobox links to that NOC's "year at the games" article and not to the country article. The point I've tried to make is that given that every functionality of Infobox Commonwealth Games event is kept, there is no reason not to use the sport specific template with its additional functionalities, at the cost of "uniformity" of infoboxes across all event articles.

I'd love to ger more input. CLalgo (talk) 13:19, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm going to spectate this one, but CLalgo, please note that when one is bringing a particular discussion to the attention of a WikiProject/other editors, the request/notification should be neutrally worded, and not give your entire position and why you think the other person is wrong. I would highly advise you reword your request for more input to follow these norms and avoid campaigning. Primefac (talk) 13:26, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
@Primefac: Thank you for your comment. My aim was to start a broader scope discussion in this forum, while making readers aware of a relevant discussion that has already started. As I am an interested party, my original message may be biased, but that is the argument I'm bringing before this project for its input. Counter arguments could be found in the discussion I've linked to in the very first sentence of the original message, of course. CLalgo (talk) 13:40, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Ah, I seem to have misunderstood your intentions; if you are wanting to start a general discussion about infoboxes, then yes, carry on. I thought you were canvassing extra opinions for that specific page discussion. Primefac (talk) 13:51, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
No, the will to avoid more discussions like that one is what propelled me to start this. When I've created Infobox judo competition event I've allowed it to support 9 different kinds of multi-sport events, some even without specialized templates of their own, but never thought someone would object to its usage. As someone clearly objected, I brought the template for a broader discussion here for a policy to be discussed. The discussion of uniformity vs functionality if a valid one, and I think that this is the place to have it in a broad scope. CLalgo (talk) 14:00, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Troubling AfD

I find the AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Football at the 2001 Maccabiah Games to be quite troubling. 2603:7000:2143:8500:401A:1701:C4F5:B270 (talk) 06:52, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

FAR for Olympic Games

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Project-independent quality assessments

Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

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More opinions requested

There is a discussion which could use input from this Project. Please see Talk:FINA Water Polo World Cup § Serbia and Montenegro. Thanks. Primefac (talk) 18:37, 27 April 2023 (UTC)