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Eugene Gu

Thank you for your comment and inquiry. Eugene Gu is open about the fact that he was fired from general surgery residency at Vanderbilt University. The addition of "former" resident physician is an accurate update to reflect that fact. https://twitter.com/eugenegu/status/1002255587286044672 Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.188.201.44 (talk) 17:22, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Why?

@Oath Keepers Wiki Edit

I don't understand how the editing was "Not Neutral"... There is a big difference between anti-government, ie. Anarchist etc, and anti Big Government, ie. anybody not wanting the government to overstep its constitutional boundaries. Also, the SPLC is proven to be biased in their opinion, so citing them as a "neutral source" without giving the reader a warning about their bias is "Not Neutral" and misleading. Everybody has bias... You, Me, everybody, so "Neutral" is hard to achieve. I noticed that SPLC and Antifa pages are protected from editing and the Antifa page does not list them as a terrorist organization, while the United States Government does. Is that an instance of bias in not labeling them as what they actually are... Thanks,
      Will Derringer  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.16.140.210 (talk) 23:02, 22 January 2018 (UTC) 

That is how the organization is described in reliable, independent sources (see the references for each statement you modified). As for your point about the SPLC, the Oath Keeper's page is not the place for discussion of it. I would suggest reviewing WP:NPOV and its sub-policies. IronGargoyle (talk) 00:55, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

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Why did you delete my edits? W-editor (talk) 15:45, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

I think contributing to wikipedia is a waste of my time. Boycotting! W-editor (talk) 15:47, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Please see WP:LISTPEOPLE for why I deleted your list entry. Sorry that you see Wikipedia as a waste of time, but it's worth noting that people remove and edit others contributions all the time on Wikipedia. If you're not ok with that, this probably isn't the right place for you. IronGargoyle (talk) 20:59, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

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Scum Fuck Flower Boy edits did have citation(?)

Hey, I've been a little preoccupied so I haven't gotten around to saying anything until now, but I think your deletion of my edit to [Boy] was unwarranted. Although I didn't provide any new citations, the one that I left in place after my addition supported what I was saying. Now, having said all this, I may have done things wrong formatting-wise, since I'm still quite new to Wikipedia, but it seemed fine to me. Doesn't matter now, I suppose, since the article has been edited to have something to the effect of what I was saying at the time, but I thought I'd mention it.

What are you on about ?

I never edited anything about Gemma O'Doherty no clue what you are on about. Maybe contact the right person thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.51.73.28 (talk) 16:16, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

You are most likely using the same IP address as a previous editor. Feel free to ignore my message if it does not apply to you. IronGargoyle (talk) 17:11, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

List of music theorists

I appreciate the work that you are doing in removing the redlinks. But that list is a work in progress. Those redlinks indicate articles that need to be created, not that nothing exists on those people. It has been difficult enough gathering those names in putting them in a single place (there is no book that comprehensively deals with the history of music theory). With that point of view, putting back all those deleted names would be very helpful. - kosboot (talk) 16:50, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

If you want to keep track of the red links and which are completed, I think a userspace draft would be the way to go. The inability to be comprehensive is one of the reasons why the WP:LISTPEOPLE guideline needs to be adhered to. IronGargoyle (talk) 15:38, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

BLP violation?

[1] Al Franken asked the official photographer to take the photo then enthusiastically posed for it. It's about as close to a self-published photo as you can get for the situation. So, how could it be an "egregious BLP violation?" If someone else had taken the photo without his permission, I could see the logic, but the opposite is the situation here. CorduroyCap (talk) 19:27, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

LIVELOUD

The Couples for Christ has their Worship Band (as the part of their existence), which called Liveloud, who compose a worship songs for them. I'd like to ask to Redirect in a LIVELOUD section to their CFC article because it is protected. 112.198.242.222 (talk) 09:36, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Done. IronGargoyle (talk) 19:42, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

ALAN MURPHY

Hello yes you have made a Mistake as Alan and Michael were distant Cousins as everybody Knows and Michael used to write with Alan, Play Guitar Privately They taught each other many things Musically Michael was a substantial part of Alans development as Richard Alans relationship partner and others can confirm. Also Michael used to teach Alan Marshall Science/Arts they spent much private time Together and were very very close as is Also common Knowledge. Alan used to have Michael shield him from so so many Hangers on down at the Cricketers at the Oval with his Band SFX as well as Michael was the first 1 to start Location recording him there with a portable cassette deck which led to so so many others doing it and Michael used to Give the cassettes to Alan so Alan could hear his progress and Alan always returned them and still to this day Michael has the rarest 1 of all and most sought after with a vocalist singing Marvyn Gayes whats going on because of an sucide experience Michael told Alan of relating to that song. If you need to reach Michael he can be reached on BT landline 0208 4781478 Or Mobile 07770 117127. Michael is 60 years old next year an extremely well connected person with connections going back to the Group Heatwave whom he had frienships with and 'still does', and did some Guitar work for, as well as turned down flat a publishing deal from Quincy Jones through Roy Carter of Heatwave as is Common Knowledge. If you would like to talk to me you can reach me on 07717 163613. This is the reason I have made the edit to your page no offence Intended. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:217:200:959F:DD19:C6FE:436F (talk) 19:39, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

That needs to be cited to a reliable source. IronGargoyle (talk) 19:43, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

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Soldiers of Odin

IG, Your refusal of editing of this article, in itself, is one sided opinion and limited in position. To list this group as anti-immigrant is incorrect. The organization has reported itself as it's primary concern as sharia law inclusion/adoption within the countries of immigration. To cast this group as anti-immigrant is flawed. For example, if there are individuals that have been born on domestic soil that promote the adoption of sharia law, then they would be a target of complaint with SOO. Kindly correct this dispersion to be reflective of a TRULY NEUTRAL language. This change should be reflected in the same edited content of the use of anti-immigrant. I agree that the word "patriotic" was overly simplistic, but IS reflective of the origin of their thought genesis. It would be agreeable with a word replacement with VIGILANTE GROUP. This is how the European Press represents them.

If you want to cast yourself with the titles of objective and neutral, you need to improve upon separating your own biased position when editing. Further, if they are choosing to align the group with racist groups in a ubiquitous fashion, then why not adjust this language further. Finally, if you would like to reference article of clearly slanted sources (ADL, for example, the CEO Jonathan Greenblatt was previously/currently financed/tied with far LEFT organizer,George Soros' ASPEN Institute) as justification for your position and ignore the words from the originator, it must be listed as editorial.

SOME correction to the page is appreciated and reflective of your thoughtful consideration.

Good luck. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:a601:cc1:100:4558:796b:c2c0:b4d2 (talk • contribs)

I suggest you take this to the article talk page. Clearly partisans on either side are going to say that they have the neutral point of view. I can assure you that I have absolutely no interest in Finnish politics. The removal of the word "patriotic" and replacement of the word "anti-immigrant" was just a better representation of the reliable sources and followed more closely with WP:NPOV policy. IronGargoyle (talk) 22:17, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

By referencing sources that are clearly partisan, standard US media and private organizations, your actions conflict with your ideals. I'm disappointed by your personal decision. This is the exact reason why Wiki exists? Partisan media sources abound within the 'common' channel of news. Wiki was to be an oasis of neutrality... We agree to disagree. Best of Luck.

About the removal of contents in the Supreme Leader's page

I think the introduction about the Supreme Leader is too long. Also I don't like the way by which Khamenei is mentioned. An introduction, in my opinion, shall be general. (Sorry for bad english if you notice something badly written) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.49.70.13 (talk) 19:30, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Be sure to include an explanation in your edit summary. I am not sure that I agree with you, but when you are removing cited information it helps to have a clear justification for it. IronGargoyle (talk) 22:19, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Mahto Communities

Hi , please help me to remove the contents where some irrelevant castes are listed in the Mahto Communities. This is updated false as Mahto does not belong to Chamar,Dhobi or disad,beldar..All are falsely updated by the user name called Utcursch. He is misusing the admin rights. Even I tried to make him understand multiple times but he is totally against me and that is intentionally done by him I request you to please remove the castes contents from this community as you are defaming this community intentionally. This is globally published and I don't want to see any false contents under this communities. This is totally inhumanity who just do this for the sake of taking revenge and misusing the admin rights. I request Wikipedia to please remove his admin rights as he playing with communities and he does not belong to and truth authentic contents. How can he relates the link with Mahto Community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.119.234.58 (talk) 19:08, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

I suggest reviewing Wikipedia's policy on tendentious editing, especially the section on "righting great wrongs". IronGargoyle (talk) 22:21, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

You should not remove a page before the deletion discussion is completed. The votes were outnumbered

Why did you delete the Milan Kordestani page? You should have waited for the deletion discussion to be complete. Also the upvotes outweighed the delete votes. Moreover, it's so unproductive to just delete articles that you think are not applicable because you don't view them as notable. Milan Kordestani is notable as an equestrian and in the agriculture industry, for you to just delete the page without suggessting what's wrong ith it and how to fix it is wrong. Let's be productive and fix pages rather than just delete them out of spite.2603:3024:1827:6E00:14EF:6F5C:EAB0:A068 (talk) 19:03, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Because it was basically identical to the previously deleted version. AfD is not a vote, and especially not when it is deceptively edited to make it appear that there are more keep "votes" than there actually are. You are lucky not to be blocked from editing. IronGargoyle (talk) 22:24, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

The above IP user appears to have manipulated the page: they removed my comment, and then removed SPA tags and instead misleadingly applied them to the votes by good-faith editors. Please see diff. K.e.coffman (talk) 23:44, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Reported Vandalism

Good Afternoon IronGargoyle,

I noticed you had left some warnings for Mattkrazplayz on his talk page about vandalism to the Drawing page. I wanted to point out that he had made another such edit today that was reverted. I'm relatively new to active editing, so I'm not sure how to report him and thought I would ask you. Thanks,

Squatch347 (talk) 18:26, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mattkrazplayz

Thanks for the heads up. I've blocked the editor. In the future, you can also report instances of repeated vandalism to Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. IronGargoyle (talk) 18:29, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Ydanis Rodríguez

I think that you should make suggestions on what to keep and what to delete instead of deleting hours of work. You are simply abusing your power. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yenn2323 (talk • contribs) 21:35, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

I really think you ought to review Wikipedia's policies on Neutral Point of View and likely also Conflict of Interest. IronGargoyle (talk) 21:40, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

kensington

Edits seem to of a right wing nature lined to https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuK42sAlgwVEvu_tdUae8Tw .--Kitchen Knife (talk) 22:18, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

12 years of editing

Hey, IronGargoyle. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Chris Troutman (talk) 00:15, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

List of genetics research organizations

Please stop removing the information found in list of genetics research organizations — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pontius Aquila (talk • contribs)

No. As I noted, that information you describe is in violation of WP:LISTCOMPANY and WP:RS. IronGargoyle (talk) 20:59, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Point of inquiry

Are u even from East Cobb — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aaronlevin12345 (talk • contribs)

Airbnb Occupied Palestinial Territories

You deleted my comment here saying that these territories are falsely named because you said it was too opinionated. How is saying that those territories are occupied any less opinionated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.100.179.106 (talk • contribs)

i'm sorry i messed up the tone policing article

i was honestly just trying to translate it to spanish and i'm new to wikipedia won't happen again — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inaqui-ilarragorri (talk • contribs) 03:15, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

list of Goans

Hello IronGargoyle I do take interest in this

• Traitrist Francis De Tuem like late William de curtorim in their acts opposed the ruling politicians, where as Roseferns M. Boyer, C. Alvares and Jacint Vaz were pure entertainers.

• Roqui Santan 'father of Goan Democracy' organised 3 days Satyagraha to hold December 1963 first election even though Goa did not belong to India, strengthening separate identity for Goa.

104.207.219.150 (talk) 15:49, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

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Hello fellow Wikipedians, I have added and edited RoquiSantan was elected twice as member of the Goa Legislative Assembly from this home constituency [2] and was the recipient of prestigious 'Tambra Patra National Award' at the hands of PM Indira Gandhi for his outstanding role in Goa's freedom. Decan.reporter (talk) 15:57, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

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Hello fellow Wikipedians, when you hit/click the reference please scroll down to this title:- ‘Roque Santana anniversary observed ‘ [3] PANJIM, 11th Jun 2013: The 51st anniversary of the ‘Father of Goan Democracy’ late Roque Santana Fernandes who went on an indefinite hunger strike in Margao in 1962 which resulted in elections being declared for the first time in Goa in December 1963 was observed in Velim, Monday.

The late Roque Santana resorted to a fast unto death demanding that elected members and not appointed ones should represent Goa in Parliament, with the result that Gopal Handoo, adviser to then Lt Governor of Goa met him at the instance of then prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru. He gave up the strike, met Nehru and it was agreed to hold elections for the first time in Goa in 1963. It is for the democratic fight that he was hailed as the `Father of Goan Democracy.’

Late Roque Santana was subsequently elected to Goa Assembly twice in 1967 and 1971 and was awarded Tambra Patra for his contribution for Goa’s freedom.

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

This is the press release by Kadamba Coterie after their sentiments were hurt in Velliapura in 2013. Velim, 11 kilometers from Margao, South Goa. Dec. 21st 2013. [4] Mr.Venkatesha A. Upadhiaya today submitted a memorandum to the President of India Mr.Pranab Mukherjee, Prime Minister Mr.Manmohan Singh and Mr. Pravin Srivastava of Archeological Survey of India ASI, demanded to immediately acquire and save the 12th century, Kadamba Jayakeshi Southern Capital Velimpura site which is also the cremation ground of the last Ruler of Hangal located

in present day Velim, South Goa a place of National Interest? from the possession of Mrs Ana Emerita, widow of a great Goan, late Roqiue Santana charging her for constructing on the scared grounds, denying access by locking the compound gates and playing regional card with the pilgrims from the neighboring villages of Karnataka who visit Velim once a year, a centuries old practice and as part of the Banavasi festival celebrations to pay their respect to the 1368AD Velimpura cremation ground of Purandarai-Deva the ruler of Hangal.

Warning the locals who were present here today not to be silent spectators to injustice done to the glorious historical past Mr. Upadhiaya a native of Belgaum lamented while reacting to regionalism that prior to his death in 2007 Roqiue Santana like his father in Portuguese colonial times always gave a warm welcome and supply of drinking water as a gesture of respect to the Kannada visitors at the site. Roqiue Santana popularly known as Father of Goa’s Democracy was the local elected representative to liberated Goa legislative Assembly. No doubt this family is Goan, like thousands of Goans they are of Deccan origin too?. Mr. Upadhiaya said.

Earlier, a man who walked up behind the secured gates calling himself the security for the Roqiue Santana family charged last years pilgrims of criminal mischief, theft and robbery as important antiques went missing following last Dec. pilgrims visit and said that the family has moved out of this country and ordered the driver of the tour bus to get going. Leading the pilgrims Mr. Upadhiaya? 82, denied? the allegation here today in Velim saying? that we are always protective of the family and do respect their privacy and recollected his family?s ancestors ties as Sarva-Karyakartas meaning chief secretary, a hereditary appointment up to the time when Governor of Madras presidency George Harris under Lord Dalhousie administration confiscated the Haliyal Timber and Construction Lime Co. goods of Roqiue Santan’s greatgrand father in Nov of 1855. Mr. Upadhiaya held that most of the pilgrims are the descendants of the? family?s Haliyal compound work force. Historians hold that Haliyal yard was basically? Goa? ruling Reigns Armoury and is today converted into Haliyal Bus Terminal. In his memorandum he urged Archeological? Survey Of India (ASI) to atleast save this Velim landmark for future generations.

According to this famous historical source held sacred by Hangal Coterie, Purandarai ruler of Hangal and family on the eve of his fall in 1347 secretly traveled over night to joined his daughter who herself took shelter in safer Jayakeshi Velimpura compound in 1345 when her husband was assassinated by Mohammedans at present day Chandor. A second wall stone Kannada inscription dated 1396 in the Velim compound marks the death and cremation of? Veenomai-Devi beauty and wife of? Suriya-Deva, slain Sovereign at Chandrapur palace, daughter of Late Purandaraideva, Kadambarasa of Hangal confirms this history. It can be infered from the Velim inscription that Goa Kadamba Suriya-Deva son of Beera, was married to the nearby royal bride who was his distance cousin. Mr. Upadhiaya said. Before adopting Portuguese Catholicism

Mr. Upadhiaya said. Before adopting Portuguese Catholicism this Velimpura family’s ancestors had given up worship in their temples for fear of Mohammedan trap, reinvented themselves as Haliyal timber lords where converted by Orthodox Nasranis of Malabar in early1400s.Some of the Syrian origin worship items and anointing oil alabastrons saved by Upadhiaya's great grand father and moved to Belgaum after the 1855 British confiscation of Haliyal compound is convincing evidence. Further, quoting Kannada stone inscriptions on Konkan sea pirate Timu 'enemy turned friend' recovered from present day Haliyal Bus stand tell that Timu in those crucial years provided protection for their ancestors in return for timber for his shipbuilding needs had exploited this converts fear issue and used Portuguese forces to drive Mohammedans away and enforced his Timu administration in Goa in 1510. The Portuguese? in a while overpowered Timu and colonized Goa. It is a well known historical conclusion that this Christian connection attracted early Jesuits including Francis Xavier to visit Velliapura first for refreshment before traveling inland for conversions, he added.

Prof. Nilkanth Sah Paddaam in this press release said here today that a six member delegation headed by Mr. Upadhiaya is leaving for New Delhi tomorrow to follow up with his memorandum. Dec/2013 Deccan Herald, Press Release/Nilkanth Sah Paddaam, Belgaum.

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Hello IronGargoyle I do take interest in this kindly restore to Decan.reporter (talk) 19:09, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

I am still not entirely sure what you are asking me, and the huge volume of material that you have added to my talk page does not help. I suspect that you want to add entries to List of people from Goa. Neither article exists for the entries which are being repeatedly re-added. This violates the WP:LISTPEOPLE guideline. IronGargoyle (talk) 20:58, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for removing the repeated deletions on National Retail Systems by Special:Contributions/JennyFConnell, who is an employee at the Company. If you are able, can you help me protect the page, as it is clear they are repeatedly removing the content. Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 19:23, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

I don't think the activity is either rapid enough or long-term enough to warrant protection. Let me know if it continues. IronGargoyle (talk) 23:01, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Ok, that makes sense. For reference, on the talk page Talk:National Retail Systems I outlined several accounts that seem to be intent only on removing the section in question. I'll keep an eye on it. Yours, Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 16:51, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

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Hello IronGargoyle

I will add a citation (or link to another article) must be provided to: a) establish their membership in the list.

There are some common exceptions to the typical notability requirement:

• If the person is famous for a specific event, the notability requirement need not be met. If a person in a list does not have a Wikipedia article about them, a citation (or link to another article) must be provided to: a) establish their membership in the list's group; and b) to establish their notability on either BLP1E or BIO1E.

I will add a citation (or link to another article) must be provided to: a) establish their membership in the list. Decan.reporter (talk) 15:44, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Hello IronGargoyle I do take interest in this kindly restore to Decan.reporter (talk) 19:09, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

I am still not entirely sure what you are asking me, and the huge volume of material that you have added to my talk page does not help. I suspect that you want to add entries to List of people from Goa. Neither article exists for the entries which are being repeatedly re-added. This violates the WP:LISTPEOPLE guideline. IronGargoyle (talk) 20:58, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

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Hello IronGargoyle

There are some common exceptions to the typical notability requirement:

• If the person is famous for a specific event, the notability requirement need not be met. If a person in a list does not have a Wikipedia article about them, a citation (or link to another article) must be provided to: a) establish their membership in the list's group; and b) to establish their notability on either BLP1E or BIO1E.

I do take interest in this kindly restore to Decan.reporter (talk) 22:02, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

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Hello IronGargoyle Kindly undo what you deleted on List of Goans please thank you they are both activists in their own right

if you want further info on them
I will give just ask. here

There are some common exceptions to the typical notability requirement:

• If the person is famous for a specific event, the notability requirement need not be met. If a person in a list does not have a Wikipedia article about them, a citation (or link to another article) must be provided to: a) establish their membership in the list's group; and b) to establish their notability on either BLP1E or BIO1E.

Decan.reporter (talk) 15:27, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

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you just disappeared Decan.reporter (talk) 14:50, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

The references you provide do not establish notability. I have nothing more to say on the matter. If you wish to conduct this discussion further, please form a consensus on the article talk page and stop messaging me here. IronGargoyle (talk) 21:53, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Pucon Tours and Activities

Hi IronGargoyle,

You removed my external link I added to Pucón because they seemed inappropriate for an encyclopedia, and I want to ask you why? The page that I added was about activities and tours that you can do in Pucon, if you use any keyword research, a lot of people are looking what to do in Pucon, so I want to ask you why is inappropiate a website where you can find this information of Pucon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vicentedoh (talk • contribs) 23:25, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Please see WP:ELNO, specifically criteria 5 of websites to avoid linking to: "Individual web pages that primarily exist to sell products or services, or to web pages with objectionable amounts of advertising." The website you linked to was primarily focused on selling activities and tours. IronGargoyle (talk) 23:31, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

You are a vandal

Could you please stop vandalising the article James Acaster. It is not constructive and it spoils it for everyone else. Cheerio! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.169.210 (talk) 23:38, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

You really ought to check out WP:NPOV before you get blocked. IronGargoyle (talk) 23:40, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Block me then, you vandaliserer you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.169.210 (talk) 23:42, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

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Deletion of Utah breweries list

Could I get additional explanation for why you basically deleted the List of breweries, wineries, and distilleries in Utah article? Every brewery listed has a source for its existence, plus an additional link from the Brewers Association. I would also like to strongly object to the wording of "link spam". Is a list of breweries not relevant for an article? If it is simply link spam, why have the article exist in the first place? Further, why was this article deleted, and yet the list of breweries from other states were left untouched (many of which are entirely unsourced)? Why not essentially just delete all state brewery articles if these are the qualifications you are going to use? Why was this done without any discussion or chance to rectify any issues that you may have? I put in a lot of work to make that article respectable, and intend to continue working on it. If there are any particular issues with the article you would like to have a discussion on then please let me know. Until then I have reversed your change, as I do not feel that the reason for doing it was justified or reasonable. bob rulz (talk) 07:12, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Inline, independent sources for each entry should be provided, the Brewer's Association is not reliable because it allows anyone to add an entry for their brewery. Commercial links in lists like this are prohibited per WP:ELNO. Plenty of other lists of breweries (for other states) list entries when they have been covered in things like newspaper articles and other reliable independent sources. I would suggest also reviewing WP:LISTCOMPANY and WP:NOTDIRECTORY. IronGargoyle (talk) 17:42, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

I am willing to have a discussion about this. As far as the reliability of the Brewers' Association as a source, they are a highly respected organization, and anybody cannot simply edit their list. It must be requested and approved by the association, and the approval is validation of its existence. They are among the most respected institutions in the craft beer world, and it appears that another user (Calathan) has agreed with me on the relevance of the list and the reliability of the Brewers' Association as a source (which also seems to address WP:LISTCOMPANY). I will provide counter-points to the others you have mentioned. Regarding the commercial links, I am not sure where in there that it explicitly prohibits commercial links. In fact, doesn't it say that links to the official page of an article's subject are okay? Is that not what that is? I provided the commercial links to prove the existence of the breweries. Is an existence of a website, with listed address, contact info, and beer lists not relevant? I would be curious to know which part of WP:ELNO that it violates, as I have looked through point-by-point and I do not see an issue. If you believe that it violates #19 (websites of organizations listen in the article), wouldn't that qualify under the exception found here?

My biggest concern about this is not that you may have issues with the article, it is the fact that you essentially deleted the article with no discussion. You highlighted few specific points, and did not give any room to address those points. You used the existence of a few issues to delete all of the useful content of the article. I will gladly have a discussion about whether or not you think some things could be changed, or that some of the content is not properly sourced or may not be relevant, but your actions have come across as overbearing, and assuming that every person who edits an article is and should be intimately aware of every part of Wikipedia's guidelines. bob rulz (talk) 09:01, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

I will drop the issue of the Brewer's Association for now, but I will say that the norms on this list contravene a wider consensus on "List of Breweries in X" articles that have required better sourcing that a mere directory (however reliable that directory may be). I don't think breweries are suitable for comprehensive lists (and in many cases these incomplete lists of notable subjects are preferred) but that's a discussion for another place and time. The links failed WP:ELNO #14 and #19 (with case-by-case violations of #5). The official link exception only applies to the pages on article subject itself. So a link to XYZ Brewery would generally only be acceptable on a page about XYZ Brewery. I'm sorry you have concerns about my WP:BOLD edits, but given the sad state of many lists I see no need to preemptively chat about them (particularly as I make edits which I believe reflect policy, guidelines and wider consensuses). If people have issues with my edits, they are perfectly welcome to revert them and then address their concerns with me here or on the article talk page. You say I leave no room to address my concerns, but this simply isn't true. The concerns can be easily be addressed by sourcing or writing sourced articles on the list's subjects. IronGargoyle (talk) 17:48, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Your opinions on the suitability of listing craft breweries, and the credibility of the Brewers Association itself, have no bearing on the fact that over 6,000 breweries exist and are collectively worth $26 billion USD, therefore worth documenting.[5] 71.12.175.114 (talk) 03:48, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

List of Japanese comedians

Thank you for cleaning up List of Japanese comedians. As I had noted on its talk page a while ago, it was a mess. However, as a friendly note, I do want to mention that while you were rightly trying to cut everything that did not have a page on the English Wikipedia, you did in fact cut quite a lot that did. I had to spend an hour rescuing those. You also did not write anything in your editing summary or on the talk page explaining what you were doing. I thus was about to revert all your edits as unconstructive until I figured out what was going on. Michitaro (talk) 09:33, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Sure, I did use edit summaries though. I'm sorry if you felt burdened by the re-adding of the removed list entries (about 10%) that actually had Wikipedia articles. I thought some might, but sometimes it is easier to start again with a blank canvas. IronGargoyle (talk) 15:08, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Armenian Alphabet

Hi IronGargoyle,

I do appreciate your work in moderating the site. I apologize in advance since much of the coding within Wikipedia is foreign to me. I was editing the Armenian alphabet wiki and made changes to two areas which I believe are valid. The words I changed were "Aybowben" (original and incorrect) to either "Aybouben," or "Aybooben"--the first being a bit more correct. I am a native speaker of Armenian. In the language, we do not have a "w" sound as it sounds in English. The ligature ու (pronounced "ooh") corresponds to the keyboard keys "ow," so I was trying to correct the original wiki. If you can help make this change, I appreciate it.

The second thing I wanted to add was that "aybouben" is just like the Greek alphabet... a word formed by combining the first two letters of their alphabet, "alpha" and "beta."

Your friend without an account yet, Andro — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.233.120.2 (talk) 20:43, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Got it. The English slang "boob" is frequently used in vandalism. So, that and the fact that there was no edit summary made me suspicious. Your explanation seems legit though, so I've restored part of your series of edits. The second couple of edits introduced some template errors to the page which I'm not sure how to fix, so I've left those out. IronGargoyle (talk) 20:50, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Marlon Bundo Barnstar
	I can only hope writing A Day in the Life of Marlon Bundo brought you as much happiness as Marlon Bundo gets from Wesley. – Muboshgu (talk) 13:57, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Haha, that's awesome. Thank you! I can't speak to Marlon Bundo's happiness, but writing the article did make me very happy. IronGargoyle (talk) 14:04, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

DYK

Just a notification of Did you know nominations/A Day in the Life of Marlon Bundo. Coffeeandcrumbs (talk) 00:56, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

List of African-American Greek and fraternal organizations - Tau Gamma Delta

Restored Tau Gamma Delta, delinked (though possible for article) and added two secondary references, one from a newspaper.Naraht (talk) 16:16, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Jordan owens

Hello i wonder why you keep changing my comments as all i write is true. Katie . 1886 (talk) 16:05, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Information needs to be cited to reliable, independent sources. The additions you cite were also highly dubious, which raises the level of proof required (especially when written about a living person). IronGargoyle (talk) 16:09, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Blind reverts

An apology would have been more appropriate than just deleting your message. If you're going to make it your life's work to revert IPs, at least learn to look at the edits before you hit that "undo" button. IP ≠ vandal. 2001:BB6:4709:C258:3175:799D:35B8:E7F6 (talk) 19:35, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

I didn't mistakenly think the edit was vandalism. In that particular case my finger literally slipped and hit the wrong key. I quickly corrected the error. I'm sorry you were offended, but I don't expect someone to apologize to me when they make a simple mistake and quickly fix it. I have also never used a user's registration status as an indication of vandalism for any particular edit, so I would correct that assertion on your part. IronGargoyle (talk) 20:21, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

I don't see why you wouldn't expect it. I would apologise if I mistakenly stepped on someone's foot and quickly stepped off again. Anyway, apology accepted. 2001:BB6:4709:C258:EC49:6DA1:2EC7:13F1 (talk) 09:37, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Missunderstanding

I was confused, because the The notification stated that my edit was biased. (It wasnt) Thankyou for clarifying my mistake, it wont happen agian. 1713hild (talk) 18:16, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Bombay to Goa

i want to just inform that there may be reports of Bombay to Goa being remake of Tamil film Madras to Pondicherry but if the plots are read closely we can find differences in the plotlines and that's the reason i removed the remake part. And thank you for informing me that i need to provide full reasons when i edit things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.51.243.235 (talk • contribs)

DYK for A Day in the Life of Marlon Bundo

On 29 April 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article A Day in the Life of Marlon Bundo, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a children's book illustrated by Gerald Kelley parodies another children's book written by Charlotte Pence about her pet rabbit Marlon Bundo (pictured) by portraying him as gay? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, A Day in the Life of Marlon Bundo), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 12:01, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Marlon Bundo's A Day in the Life of the Vice President

On 29 April 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Marlon Bundo's A Day in the Life of the Vice President, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a children's book illustrated by Gerald Kelley parodies another children's book written by Charlotte Pence about her pet rabbit Marlon Bundo (pictured) by portraying him as gay? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Marlon Bundo's A Day in the Life of the Vice President), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 12:01, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Allegiant Air

Just letting you know that this article is continuing to be vandalized after your previous semi-protection recently expired, and it may need to be semi-protected once again. Thanks. 2601:1C0:4401:24A0:70A4:DD6E:34EA:3A6B (talk) 20:0 3, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Escors

Hi, I am removing false information from the page, or highly partial info. Check the talk page and the comments from the readers. I will revert your changes. Just read the article and you will realize how partial or unsubstiated it is. I am not vandalizing it. User talk:Achaya1

Already added a citation

I already added a citation — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samcooten (talk • contribs) 16:46, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

49.230.237.84

back again ... Frietjes (talk) 22:38, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Blocked. IronGargoyle (talk) 22:40, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Hereditary (film) page

PLEASE - the the plot summary that is currently posted spoils the entire film. i work for the producer and distributor of the film and the director is irate that someone has decided to spoil the entire film 1 month before it is released in theaters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.244.25.186 (talk) 22:51, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Spoiler for Wikipedia's policy on spoilers. IronGargoyle (talk) 22:53, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Sorry about broken menus -- does the problem still persist?

Hi :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Huggle/Config.yaml&diff=841263111&oldid=841262960&diffmode=source

I'm sorry to hear that my change might have introduced problems for anyone, especially as you are using the latest Huggle version and it can't be an issue with the version then, either. Does the problem persist, and if so, could you provide a screenshot to visualize the problem?

When using the following page for a bug report, experienced users and developers like Petrb can see the issue and might be able to solve problems that I can't solve: Wikipedia:Huggle/Feedback

Thanks! ~ ToBeFree (talk) 09:01, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

It was a problem on my end and embarrassingly simple. Compliments on the menu overhaul, it is nice to have more varied warning options. IronGargoyle (talk) 14:24, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Haroon Moghul

Haroon Moghul has expressed tweets that contain anti semetic content "A hugely disproportionate number of Palestinians die, while few if any Israelis ever do (in this case: zero). Still Israel claims it is defending itself." He infers that if jews wish to defend themselves they must let some of themselves die. That is a standered no one is held to but jews which by definition is anti semitism. If so there is no problem saying Haroon Moghul is an anti semite. So why delete the change? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.210.187.230 (talk) 20:14, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

I would suggest reviewing the WP:NPOV and WP:BLP policies. IronGargoyle (talk) 22:21, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Message by 92.60.194.167

Hi. I am replying to your message saying that you undid an edit you believed I had made to an entry for somebody called A. Charles Muller. I have never edited this entry and am worried about how my IP address could be associated with the edit you undid. Do you have any idea? I believe that this IP address is used only by me or by people who live in my house. I am the only person living here who edits Wikipedia and, as far as I can remember, it has been quite a long time since I edited anything. So, it looks as if somebody is spoofing my IP address on Wikipedia. I would have hoped that this kind of spoofing was not possible, but ... now I am confused. Any comment you can make would be welcome. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.60.194.167 (talk) 15:22, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi! "Spoofing" an IP in the way you've described is not possible on Wikipedia. This is because your connection to Wikipedia is done via TCP, a network protocol that does not allow "spoofing". This is different than sending an e-mail or a letter:

• In real life, you can send a letter with a fake "sender address", but you won't get any replies.
• You can send an e-mail with a fake "sender address", but you won't get any replies.
• You can not connect to Wikipedia using a fake IP address, because the "handshake" in the TCP protocol will fail without a valid sender address.

The issue is not spoofing, it is probably something else: Unless someone else in your house has made the edits (who knows?), you are probably using a dynamic IP address. This means that you automatically get a new IP address every few days, and this IP address might have been someone else's IP address in the past.

In a nutshell: Don't worry! ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:01, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

References about suspension are dated

Reference about Russia exclusion is the most recent.Why did you revert?79.13.189.135 (talk) 19:08, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

The edit had the appearance of pushing a subtle pro-Russia POV. I would suggest reviewing the WP:NPOV policy. IronGargoyle (talk) 22:20, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Ella Anderson

There are a couple revisions I reverted [6] could you revdel those also ? Thanx. - FlightTime (open channel) 18:33, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Done. Let me know if I missed any. IronGargoyle (talk) 18:38, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanx :) - FlightTime (open channel) 18:41, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Ye Hai Mohabbatien

Hi User:IronGargoyle I just want to explain why I blanked the section. It was because I added a new page to it which it called List of accolades received by Ye Hai Mohabbatein and pasted it in their but It was my mistake I forgot to explain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VarunKhurana326 (talk • contribs)

Gotcha. IronGargoyle (talk) 19:38, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

John LeBreton

In the before-my-edit Lebreton Flats document the Royal Navy John LeBreton was incorrect. He was in fact an officer of the Royal Newfoundland Regiment. My edit inserted the correct information with the Biography website to verify this. Unfortunately I made an error in the website address, the hyperlink. The incorrect insert got posted and now I can’t seem to be able to change it. To be more specific this is what is in the source [John LeBreton] which I believe is the correct format but what it links to is something different.”[John LeBreton]” This does not match the source. It should read "Lieutenant John LeBreton" and go to the corrected place in the biography website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cumartium2 (talk • contribs)

I'm not continuing to follow this page. I haven't examined your sources in great detail, but if they verify your claim and are reliable, it seems reasonable to add them. IronGargoyle (talk) 19:40, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

List of Iraqi artists

Thank-you for removing the "unhelpful" list of references from the article. Of course, you realise that it is just a matter of time before some editor from the "tag-team" tags the article with "citation needed," "refimprove" or similar tags, as they have done with other similar lists.

Thank-you also for removing the names of "non-notable" artists which apparently has been interpreted to mean artists who not have Wikipedia articles. Of course, you realise that one of the purposes of such lists is to identify notable artists who do not yet have wikipedia articles, for the benefit of writers who may be searching for subjects worthy of inclusion in wikipedia. For example, the Iraqi sulptor, Khalid al-Rahal, is reqularly cited as one of the finest 20th-century sculptors in Iraq,(Al-Khalil, S. and Makiya, K., The Monument: Art, Vulgarity, and Responsibility in Iraq, University of California Press, 1991, p. 74) yet he does not have a WP article at this time, and arguably should have one. However, he is not likely to come to anyone's attention because he has now been obliterated from any mention on Wikipedia.

Other similar lists include notable artists, provided that they can be referenced to published works by reputable art historians. But of course, this article no longer has a reference list, because it has been "converted" into a much "more helpful" further reading section - so the issue of notability is now moot. Categories, such as "Category:Iraqi artists" or "Category:Iraqi sculptors" are for named artists with WP articles, but "lists" are different.

Every artist on that list (and who did not have a WP article) had been deemed notable by leading art historians or curators. On the other hand, several artists who do have WP articles are arguably not very notable at all - so they are indeed fortunate to have friends or relatives or paid editors who are willing to write glowing articles for Wikipedia. There are more ways to evaluate notability than whether or not an artist has a WP article. BronHiggs (talk) 03:52, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

I didn't remove the references from the article. I just organized them as suggested readings section at the bottom of the page. A huge list of references in one blocky footnote was not a good way to present that information. If a particular entry is notable, it should be referenced in-line with its specific, reliable reference(s). Having the list of suggested readings at the bottom provides a convenient resource to do just that. Each entry should either be linked to a valid Wikipedia article or should be referenced to reliable sources that speak to their notability and group membership. There are clear editorial guidelines about this at WP:LISTPEOPLE. If you think some of those with article are not notable, feel free to nominate them for deletion. IronGargoyle (talk) 06:59, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Looks like you've already done this. It's much better now, thank you. IronGargoyle (talk) 07:02, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Just as a sideline, the article Victory Arch about a monument in Baghdad claims, incorrectly, that the structure was designed by a mystery man, Adil Kamil. Now, I could find no record of this sculptor anywhere in the literature, but on further investigation, it soon became clear that the structure was designed by Khaled al-Rahal, who apparently died before he could complete the project, after which it was turned over to another eminent Iraqi sculptor, Mohammed Ghani Hikmat. This is a serious error, and one that has been present in the Victory Arch article for 15 years! I would never have picked it up had I not been assiduously compiling a list of Iraqi artists for the past month or so. Khaled Rahal, despite being one of Iraq's finest 20th-century sculptors, does not have a WP article at this stage (although images of several of his sculptures are on Commons) so, he is one of the names that you reverted. I would never have picked up the error, had I allowed the reverted entries to stand (which I came very close to doing - as it is my general policy to let reverters have their way). So, there are unexpected benefits of keeping lists that include names of persons who lack Wikipedia articles. BronHiggs (talk) 13:18, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

The article

A lot of articles about Ukraine are not worded in a way that assumes good faith, with many containing poor English that are written by Russian trolls attempting to justify Russian imperialism over Ukraine. Writing the actual name of Kyiv is not vandalism, it's stating the facts, and helps combat actual vandalism and create a better, more accurate, honest Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:191:8402:5F89:2865:F28E:D5BC:610A (talk) 17:28, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Ojos Locos

On 8 June 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ojos Locos, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Ojos Locos has waitresses called "chicas" and has been described as a "Mexican Hooters"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ojos Locos. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Ojos Locos), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 05:52, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

The brewery editing in Indiana.

So why is the brewery I worked at removed and what can I do to ensure its addition to the list? The Seymour Brewing Co. Est. September 2017, ratings on Untappd, FB and many more. Brews and serves only its own beer. Musicalmeador (talk) 15:14, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Musicalmeador: Because "The Seymour Brewing Co. Est. September 2017" is not notable, maybe someday it will be. Cheers, - FlightTime (open channel) 15:18, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

A year ago ...

roller coaster
... you were recipient no. 1678 of Precious, a prize of QAI!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:25, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks again! IronGargoyle (talk) 16:51, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Wibbly Wobbly Wonder

Why? EannaHealy (talk) 16:49, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Because it's uncited nonsense. IronGargoyle (talk) 16:52, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

List of Ugandan musicians

hello my edits were reverted... is there anything wrong with them? Wilo Daniel (talk) 23:49, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes, a number of things. First of all, you shouldn't edit on subjects you have a conflict of interest with. Entries in lists of people must also be notable. IronGargoyle (talk) 01:30, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Jann Jan Castor

Hi Iron, Back in 2010 you salted Jann Castor after a bout of spam. That killed off that attempt of promotion. I have recently created a page for Jan Castor (one n). Castor is a ARIA Award nominee, a solid claim of notability. The page I created is a very basic stub and is unrelated to that spam. I'd like to ask you to unsalt that title as it's a valid title for a redirect to Jan (the early spelling used and the name on the two BMG albums) or as the home for the article (more recent works seem to be as Jann). Thanks. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:22, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

I unprotected the page. I'll leave it up to you on whether you want to create a redirect or just move the page Jan Castor to Jann Castor. IronGargoyle (talk) 15:08, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for doing that. duffbeerforme (talk) 08:44, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Adding citations

I saw your edits on List of Igbo people page. I understand citations are needed for the names you removed from the list. I'm adding the citations now and to make the work less tedious, the smart thing to do is revert your edits instead of adding the names back one after the other. Aghachi7 (talk) 22:19, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Gotcha, that sounds fine. IronGargoyle (talk) 00:27, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

List of people from Sedalia, Missouri

I saw you did a great deal of work to this article. It was pretty out of control. Unless you object, I'm going to hack out all entries without a WP article. Many if not most community articles in Iowa and Illinois have a notice not to enter unless there is an article....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 00:21, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Definitely fine by me. Hack away. IronGargoyle (talk) 00:26, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

I will start on it tomorrow. Dear Wife gets up before 5:30 every day Florida time. It is therefore almost bedtime for me....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 00:47, 16 August 2018 (UTC)