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Betty Blue Eyes

You removed a summary i never added at Betty Blue Eyes also you haven't said where it is a copyvio of which you should of, especially since there isnt a source there to indicate what it might of been of.Blethering Scot 17:11, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Reply at Did You Know as i am not contesting removal i actually agree. However you really should say what its a copyvio of in summary or on article talk page. Too prove i never added it see [1] i only moved its section location.Blethering Scot 17:44, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough. It was a copyvio from multiple sources (what one would expect from a press release). If you search for a string of text from the synopsis it is easy enough to find. IronGargoyle (talk) 19:19, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

removed content

My original edit DID clearly explain why I removed content from the article on "Killing Season." I don't understand why people can't just read the edit history, where my reason was stated quite clearly. If people disagree or object to my reasoning, that's fine and I actually won't fight it, but "you didn't explain why you removed it" is just objectively wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.191.181 (talk) 20:03, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

You explained on your earlier edit, yes, but not on the one I reverted. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 20:05, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Hey IronGargoyle, my apology for the hostile tone of the above comment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.191.181 (talk) 20:14, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Not a problem. Things get frustrating and people make mistakes. IronGargoyle (talk) 20:21, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Mind your own Business

You have no idea who you're messing with. Stay out of DNHS politics. You're too green for this game, kid. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.109.249.144 (talk) 03:37, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Majdelyoun

Hi. Thank you very much for the review of majdelyoun. I am philbous. Can you please remove the redirect from majdelyoun to Sidon District when I go and search under google for majdelyoun, you see it as a link; when you click on it, it redirects your to sidon district. Majdelyoun is a town within the Sidon District. It should not be redirected to any page. Please help me with this. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philbous (talk • contribs)

You don't need to blank the page as a first step before creating a page from a redirect. Just create the page from the redirect. Redirects are generally useful, and it's rare that one should ever be outright blanked. I see you've already created the page though, so I will leave things as-is for now. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 14:43, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Bonkers & Nigg*rs DYK

Just an FYI, but ☯ Bonkers The Clown has been indefinitely blocked, partially for articles like this that were promoted in DYK. The "community" in AN had a very different understanding of his fondness for the N-word. This particular article is also involved in a heated AfD discussion. So, yeah, there was some backlash. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:00, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

...and he was unblocked shortly thereafter. I don't think a block was out of line, given his trolling and/or general obtuseness through the course of numerous discussions (although the length certainly seemed unreasonable). I know about the AfD because I participated in it. In my opinion, the problem was his behavior during the discussions, not his creation of the article itself. When you raised concerns about the article on the nomination I politely suggested the possibility of opening a thread at WT:DYK to get wider input (which you declined to do). I'm not understanding the "I-told-you-so" vibe you're giving off. Sorry. IronGargoyle (talk) 17:11, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry for the vibe and I didn't know Bonkers had been unblocked today. I see that the conditions of his unblocking are that he not work on articles similar to Niggers in the White House.

I do think my concern about the title and topic were dismissed in that DYK discussion and this post to you was not a "A-ha!" but just a post conveying the hope that when an Editor offers the opinion that a DYK nomination is offensive, that it will be considered to be a valid concern and that the visibility of a DYK placement for such an article might lead to a backlash. This is not about censorship, it's about the power of words and the power of Wikipedia's main page.

No need to apologize to me. I raised my concern, I brought it to your attention. I'm not a regular at the DYK area so I won't be opening a thread as I don't think similar articles will be proposed as DYKs or FAs. Again, my apologies for the "tone" of my remarks. I really meant this exchange to be informative, not provocative. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:25, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

No worries. I'm sorry you thought I was being dismissive. While I didn't agree with you completely, if I thought your concerns were without merit I wouldn't have raised the possibility of a wider discussion. To a certain extent you were right about the controversy, but I doubt that the controversy would have been nearly so intense if Bonkers wasn't being, well, Bonkers. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 17:44, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

removed content

dj spice Please stop deleting content added by me i am spice i am adding content about me , the article was you say is copyright was actually on wikipedia first until an admin like yourself deleted it. i own the site i have emaild wikipedia giving permission to use. please leave me alone — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raveguideuk (talk • contribs)

The page you describe violated not only our policy on copyright, but also our policy on advertisement. Using Wikipedia for advertisement and promotion is prohibited and articles which are solely promotional can be speedily deleted. IronGargoyle (talk) 23:17, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

no it did not permission was give, what advertising was used i cant see any??

you delete me for the exact same self promotion you do on your own page you are a hypocrite if you believe i have done anything wrong because your page is the same

I hereby affirm that [I, (David Boakye), am]] the creator and/or sole owner of the exclusive copyright of [the djspice.com website] I agree to [publish that work under the free license "Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported" and GNU Free Documentation License (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts).] I acknowledge that by doing so I grant anyone the right to use the work in a commercial product or otherwise, and to modify it according to their needs, provided that they abide by the terms of the license and any other applicable laws. I am aware that this agreement is not limited to Wikipedia or related sites. I am aware that I always retain copyright of my work, and retain the right to be attributed in accordance with the license chosen. Modifications others make to the work will not be claimed to have been made by me. I acknowledge that I cannot withdraw this agreement, and that the content may or may not be kept permanently on a Wikimedia project. David Boakye [copyright-holder, director, appointed representative of, djspice.com] 26th September 2013

Even if the material was released under a free license, it would still be wholly promotional in tone and subject to criteria for speedy deletion. Please also review Wikipedia's policy on conflicts of interest for a discussion of why you shouldn't create an article on Wikipedia about yourself. IronGargoyle (talk) 12:52, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

External link to official Debra Milke support site

Hi Please restore the link I added, which is to official FB support site, monitored by attorneys. If you need to confirm that, please check via http://www.jshfirm.com/LoriLVoepel or http://www.kimerer.com/michaelkimerer.html

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.173.239.65 (talk) 10:54, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but no. This type of link to a Facebook support page is prohibited by Wikipedia's policy on external links. IronGargoyle (talk) 12:53, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism by User 64.30.242.253

Hi IronGargoyle. This is just to inform you that the IP user 64.30.242.253 has, after your last warning to them, vandalized another article on the writer, Nicholas Sparks 1st published book. I know that you had warned them previously for vandalism, so I am just apprising you of the vandalism that they did after that warning. Regards, Steve. Stevenmitchell (talk) 04:21, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, but the editor seems to have already been blocked. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 21:49, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Bandit (Yomiuriland)

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:04, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Trillion Dollar Coin

Do not touch ANYTHING that I edit on the Trillion dollar coin page. We are the school of thought that PUSHED the trillion dollar coin and the reason the wikipedia page for it exists at all (due to us pushing it and getting it popularized). I was surprised to see that some idiot and not someone associated with us wrote the part on inflation, which was completely wrong and actually talked about QE instead of the coin, which is simply ridiculous. And you want to revert to that? Come on now, why don't you actually stick to the things you actually understand, and leave the rest to us PhDs. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DaRkJaWs (talk • contribs) 21:23, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

So, let's get this straight: Not only are you removing other reliable sources and replacing them with an unencyclopedic-toned paragraph sourced only to an unreliable source (a blog), but you are also admitting that you have a conflict of interest in the matter (pushing your own theory). Also, by telling other people not to touch anything your actions are in clear violation of Wikipedia's policy on article ownership. Plus, you're edit-warring. Sheesh. IronGargoyle (talk) 21:29, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

They are not "reliable sources". The content you are defending doesn't even talk about the inflationary effects of the Coin. It talks about the inflationary effects of QE. If you don't know the difference, then maybe you should leave it to an expert to decide. As I told you elsewhere, I'm an ABD PhD candidate at UMKC, and if anyone would know about the mechanics of the coin, it's those of us associated with UMKC. There is no conflict of interest, the conflict is about facts. Why don't you actually read the content you're defending instead of consistently blocking my attempts at fixing what are huge factual errors? I'm not the one edit-warring, you are. You have no way to ascertain whether an article is "dubious" or not unless you actually did some research. Did you bother to look up Joe Firestone, the author of the article I linked to? Did you see what other articles he's written on the Platinum coin option? I didn't think so. Why don't you do that before you start problems. DaRkJaWs (talk) 22:41, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Please see my reply on the article talk page. IronGargoyle (talk) 23:49, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Encyclopedia Dramatica

There are many complaints about encyclopedia dramatica, and I would like to know why you would deem links to the site hosting their domain and links to more info on the site to be "inappropriate." — Preceding unsigned comment added by There is no joseph evers (talk • contribs) 20:45, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

There are indeed many complaints about Encyclopedia Dramatica, but please see Wikipedia's policy on external links to avoid. The website you linked to does not relate directly to the subject of the article (Encyclopedia Dramatica) and it is only there to promote a particular cause (complaints about said website). Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 20:54, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Moringa

Hi, you removed my edit, with the following message:

"User talk:132.248.13.5 From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia October 2013[edit]

Hello, I'm IronGargoyle. I wanted to let you know that I removed an external link you added to the page Moringa because it seemed inappropriate for an encyclopedia. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page, or take a look at our guidelines about links. Thanks. IronGargoyle (talk) 20:25, 2 October 2013 (UTC)"

I am an academic and the world authority on the Moringa family Moringaceae (I'm the only specialist :), so it isn't hard). Please see my publications at http://www.moringaceae.org/moringa-publications.html

and my Moringa Home Page at http://www.explorelifeonearth.org/moringahome.html

My new moringaceae.org blog is designed to answer numerous questions that I receive daily regarding moringa, and is designed to be an authoritative source of information regarding the family. Such a resource is currently lacking, even from Wikipedia, because of the enormous volume of either uniformed and well meaning users uploading erroneous information, e.g. on the distribution of Moringa oleifera, or because of the intentional uploading of misleading or unproved information on the part of vendors.

Thanks and best wishes

187.195.50.203 (talk) 00:28, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Alright. The websites have spammy-sounding titles, but they seem to supply a reasonable amount of scholarly information beyond what is included in the article. They should be ok then. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 01:04, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi,

I have added the links back as well as a cite. I wonder about the link

http://www.miracletrees.org/

because, while it does have links to some useful primary information, there is a lot of hype on it and it is essentially a commercial site (with ripped off images from my site!).187.195.53.130 (talk) 16:18, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Lina Beecher

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Flip Flap Railway

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Loop the Loop (Coney Island)

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Loop the Loop (Young's Million Dollar Pier)

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Loop the Loop (Olentangy Park)

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Barnstar of Good Humor

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		for your edit summary to Architecture Amandajm (talk) 02:16, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Huggle writes my jokes, but thanks. :) IronGargoyle (talk) 02:18, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Grant Balfour

IronGargoyle, I hope that I am responding in the right section. No one has ever contacted me about my editing before. This has to do with the Grant Balfour article, which I felt was opinionated in spots. One of the things that I did was change "He acts like a baby" to something like "He has a reputation for acting out..." I just changed it to remove the bias. I am not an A's fan and not a fan of his, but if I see something like that I change it. Opinion articles should be saved for blogs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.65.124.68 (talk) 16:48, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

It was still a somewhat dubious change compared to an earlier edit, but I do see your edit was certainly an improvement on the one that came immediately before. Sorry about that. IronGargoyle (talk) 23:14, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Skyhook Wireless

Hello IronGargoyle, I added a resource to Skyhook Wireless. The link goes to a site that is currently using the technology in its application. Not meant to be link spam. Thanks. Alherd1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alherd1 (talk • contribs) 21:28, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

It may not have been your intention to spam, but I still don't think that the link was compliant with Wikipedia's policy on external links. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 23:16, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Breeze Barton merge

As you participated in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Breeze Barton, you may be interested to learn that I have opened a discussion to propose merging the article's contents to List of Marvel Comics characters: B. Feel free to comment. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 20:54, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Welcome back

Nice to see you at DRV again. All the best—S Marshall T/C 21:30, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. :) IronGargoyle (talk) 22:19, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	For your efforts to keep Greg Hunt clean of silly vandalism. Bearian (talk) 20:04, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Always nice to get these. IronGargoyle (talk) 21:27, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Futz!

I would ask that you do the following per your recent WP:DRV close:

1. Please restore all of the deleted revisions of the page, including those deleted prior to the WP:AFD.
2. Please remove the protection from the page, as it was only applied because of the deletion and for no other reason.

Thank you. Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 16:18, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Done. Sorry about that, I got confused by the redirect. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 22:11, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	I guess I understand?I am new to this so could you help me out a litte? Gumbelly (talk) 22:53, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the Barnstar! My earlier message was just addressed at the fact that you shouldn't be adding information about yourself to the articles. I pointed out that you were making inappropriate additions to Wikipedia articles like Tim McGraw, but you seem to have stopped doing that now, which is great. Is there something else you need help with? I see from the history of your contributions that you've now created a user sandbox. This is a great place to practice editing and get more familiar with Wikipedia. You may also want to stop by Wikipedia:Teahouse if you have further questions. This is a place for new editors to get familiar with Wikipedia and ask questions. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 23:02, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

why I deleted the last section about Chang'e 3 mission

I deleted the section below

"The descent of the Chang'e 3 spacecraft is expected to increase the content of lunar dust in the tenuous lunar exosphere, as well as introduce gases from engine firings during landing. This provides an opportunity for the Lunar Atmosphere and Dust Environment Explorer (LADEE) mission to examine possible changes to the baseline readings of the Moon's exosphere and could allow it to study how dust and spent propellant gases settle around the Moon after a landing.[25][38] For example, one of the combustion byproducts will be water vapor, and LADEE may be able to observe how lunar water is deposited in cold traps near the poles."

because the Chang'e 3 descent hasn't started yet.The possible consequences mentioned in the section are just personal views by some academics.They're not proved facts and these consequences haven't been verified. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mentor of mankind (talk • contribs) 15:36, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

That section notes a scientific hypothesis that will be tested. There is nothing wrong with its mention in Wikipedia. CHeers, BatteryIncluded (talk) 19:22, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

I agree with BatteryIncluded. I do appreciate the explanation though. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 20:53, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Dgheim number

dear ironGargoyle, i deleted the content of my page concerning dgheim number wich is a new dimensionless number published in a famous international journal after your suggestions. I choose wikipedia because i beleave that this number will be usefull & interesting for the new researchers. Please let me know what is the procedure to reedit it in your website. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dgheimjoseph (talk • contribs)

As you seem to be affiliated with the development of this concept, you should wait for the the concept to become notable on its own. When this occurs, someone else will likely add the article to Wikipedia themselves. Wikipedia is not the place for promoting your own inventions and theories. You may want to read over Wikipedia's guidelines on conflicts of interest. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 12:56, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Seattle Hempfest

hello, my name is Sharon & I'm the General Manager of Seattle Hempfest. I went in and updated our wiki peida adding some info for 2012 & 2013 and updating budget figures and adding our facebook & twitter info. You deleted it all and I do not understand why. I spent a long time figuring out how to update this and am frustrated it was immediatly taken down. Wikipedia is listing very outdated info - why was this all deleted? Thank you!!!!! [email redacted] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.41.181 (talk • contribs)

You should generally avoid editing articles on your own organization, as doing so often violates Wikipedia's guidelines on conflicts of interest. The specific reason I reverted your edits was that you were adding an excessive number of links which seemed to be purely promotional in nature. You may want to also review which types of external links are appropriate for adding to Wikipedia. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 02:06, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Backlogged

Wikipedia:Usernames for administrator attention It's backlogged now! Feel free to help! ///EuroCarGT 04:41, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Regarding Evander Holyfield on Celebrity Big Brother

I don't understand why my reference is considered as "poor", it is the video which backs my edit. Do you prefer an article from the dailymirror ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.118.223.249 (talk) 02:53, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

The relevant policy to this issue would be Wikipedia:BLPPRIMARY. I think it is inappropriate because the fact is sourced to the episode itself. This could be used to augment the Daily Mirror source (if that itself is a reliable source), but not alone. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 03:00, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Nicola Majocchi

Hello IronGargoyle, I'm trying to find out why my article/page was deleted. All info are totally legitimate. Earlier today I tried to correct my last name as it was spelled with a lower "m" instead of a capital letter "M" and perhaps my efforts to rectify that created some confusions and raised a red flag? Would you please be kind to let me know why you deleted me and if it is anyway possible to correct the last name to Majocchi?/ (instead of majocchi). With many thanks, Nicola Majocchi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nmajocchi (talk • contribs) 22:37, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

The article's deletion had nothing to do with the capitalization. It was deleted because the article was completely promotional in tone. Such articles violate Wikipedia's policy on neutral point of view. I should also note that autobiographies are strongly discouraged in general. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 22:46, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Philadelphia 76ers

Hello Iron Gargoyle, the reason I made those "edits" is because those pages were not showing the changes made on the roster templates (roster moves), so, by erasing and then readding the templates, they rebooted now with the changes. Like turning off and on a computer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.252.103.226 (talk) 00:28, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

That makes sense. I think there are other ways to clear the browser cache than doing that though (e.g., hold shift while you click reload). I was just confused because you changed one template to the template of another team. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 02:05, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

January 2014

Warning was not meant for you, We both edited the same time, you were a bit faster. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bentogoa (talk • contribs)

No problem. I wonder why it went automatically to the "only warning" level. That's weird. IronGargoyle (talk) 13:34, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

You have removed an external link.

Just 2 mins ago, I've added an external link to the page Child_care, which is legit for child care information. Can you tell why its inappropriate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.91.24.199 (talk) 15:33, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Because it was primarily commercial in nature (it was selling diapers). This page describes some of the external link types that should normally be avoided. There link also failed several other criteria on this list as well. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 15:38, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi there I'm not sure if I'm putting this in the wrong place (i'm new to Wikipedia) sorry. I just added a link to an attraction in Pembrokeshire "Kayak-King" but you removed it. I was wondering what I did wrong? Kayak-King is an attraction the same as the ones listed above it. Many thanks and apologese in advance, Ant — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.107.182.63 (talk) 16:47, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

As you can see in the comment above, Wikipedia is not somewhere for adding links advertising commercial services. While there may be similar links present, that does not mean that they are supposed to be there. I will remove them. Thanks, IronGargoyle (talk) 16:50, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

For some reason

(coincidence, or . . . ...... something else?) you have showed up on my watchlist a bunch this morning, most notably at the Toll Brothers. I was the one who ( I think) originally discovered the legal threat and I chose to remove the logo and then posted something about it and it was picked up by more knowledgeable folks such as yourself who really dealt with it. Thank you for doing so. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 16:22, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

I did a fair amount of vandal-fighting this morning, and the amount of vandalism seemed higher than normal. That's probably why. No idea what was going on with the Toll Brothers article though. Very strange. IronGargoyle (talk) 18:58, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	It's often frustrating having to deal with the seemingly endless supply of vandals, but it's people like you that keep the project moving forward without any hesitation. Thank you for all your efforts :) — MusikAnimal talk 19:05, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! :) IronGargoyle (talk) 19:09, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Deletion of ISTOBAL

You deleted ISTOBAL based on the fact that it was blatantly promotional. I disagree. I do agree that it was probably improper for a user named ISTOBAL to create the article named ISTOBAL, and that the company may or may not be notable, but I reworked the article to clean up the citations and formatting, and as I did so, I did not find that the article was overtly promotional. It appeared to be a statement of facts about the company: its foundation and recent expansions. Is it possible to get a WP:REFUND on this one? I understand that the notability of the company may be in doubt, but given that there are some independent sources presented, I think the notability issue would require an AFD discussion. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:47, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

It still needs more work, but if you want to try to remove more of the promotional material, go for it. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 13:51, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. I had somehow completely glossed over the rank promotion in the "History" section while I was working on it. I hope my edit has improved the article. (Frankly, I don't think the article would survive an AFD discussion, and I may well take it there myself if it doesn't show signs of improvement in the near future, but I figure it deserves a shot.) WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 14:04, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Mobile business intelligence

Hi! I was all excited to see I had a message on Wikipedia when I visited it today...(wasn't aware there were ever direct messages to someone). Thanks for letting me know.

I received this message from you:

Hello, I'm IronGargoyle. I wanted to let you know that I removed an external link you added to the page Mobile business intelligence because it seemed inappropriate for an encyclopedia. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page, or take a look at our guidelines about links. Thanks. IronGargoyle (talk) 21:56, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

While I agree with you that our link would be inappropriate in the context of a fact-based or pedagogic section of the article, the heading under which I placed the link said this:

Products[edit]

A number of BI vendors and niche software vendors offer mobile BI solutions. Some notable examples include:

It's simply a list, and I believe we have as much right to be there as anyone else on that list. At the very least, we are certainly a "niche software vendor", and a quick check of our web site would confirm that we offer a highly relevant, targeted offering to this topic. When we have received visits to our web site from Wikipedia (when the link was there, it was frequently our top referrer), the engagement on our site was amongst the highest we experience, proving that the content was highly relevant to visitors to this post on Wikipedia.

The nature of "Mobile Business Intelligence" is completely commercial (it's right in the name!), and while the category of topic is appropriate for an encyclopedia, we feel that a dedicated page on cafe moba on Wikipedia would, in fact, be purely commercial and any other similar company that does post a page on the site is being, in spirit, at least, not appropriate to an encyclopedia. In that way, our link, under an appropriate heading in a relevant entry, is more in line with the spirit of an (online) encyclopedia than the other companies who are listed there.

Thank you for contacting me (I was wondering where our link kept disappearing to...), and thank you for providing me an opportunity to plead our case! Obviously, I am interested in maintaining a presence on Wikipedia within this article, so if you can suggest an alternate way I can do that I would appreciate it.

CafemobaCMGR (talk) 21:58, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Beyond the fact that conflict of interest guidelines strongly discourage you from editing about yourself or your company, no one has a "right" to an article or an link on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a directory, and so it does not contain a list of every imaginable company with that company's contact information. Only a company which is deemed notable by being covered in-depth by independent, reliable sources (e.g., books, magazines, newspapers) may have an article. Beyond this, an external link to a company website should generally only appear on the Wikipedia article for that notable company. Inclusion of links elsewhere is considered spam. I hope this clarifies things. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 23:35, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Sorry about that last section

I clicked "Edit" rather than new section...

Rookie mistake.

CafemobaCMGR (talk) 22:02, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for reverting the vandal on my talk page. XXX antiuser ^eh? 00:01, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

No problem. :) IronGargoyle (talk) 01:02, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Gers(h)on

I noticed this edit of yours. A bit of background here, here and here, if you're interested. -- Hoary (talk) 02:24, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed that it had previously been a speedy-deleted article. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 13:31, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

transphobia removal

you removed my edit that said that transphobia was against all trans people, and replaced it saying it was only against trans women. why? it is possible to be a trans man, and it is possible to be transphobic against them — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.49.26.113 (talk) 03:06, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Check the article again. The clarification wasn't about transphobia. It was about trans-misogyny, which was within a parenthetical. IronGargoyle (talk) 13:30, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Sylvian

Two new editors on that rarely-edited page on the same day, I suspect there may be a publicist at work, but going about it the wrong way. Thanks for keeping a watchful eye. -- Ohc ^¡digame! 13:25, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Process question & your opinion

Hello there. I have a question on how to process with something that's been bugging me for a couple of days now. Seeing as I'm not sure on where to ask (my issue doesn't seem to meet RFC/U requirements), and I've seen you being active (read: being faster reverting in Huggle than I was), I thought I'd ask you.

Here's a quick outline of my situation: About two weeks ago, there was a user named Animalgatekeeper who was valiantly removing content from the RSPCA page, despite being reverted many times by various users. After he was finally blocked, I got an e-mail from the user through the Wiki, in which the user claimed to be the Head of Communications at the RSPCA. After discussing with the folks on IRC about the possibility of a fake, and verifying that there really is a person with that name and position at the company, I decided to give it a go and replied to the e-mail. It turns out that this person was indeed who he claimed he is. In the e-mail, I tried to explain to him what he did wrong and how he should proceed instead to the best of my knowledge. He seemed to understand what the issue was, and I figured the issue over. (PS: I uploaded a copy of the e-mail exchange here) However, a couple of days ago, out of curiousity, I checked up on the RSPCA page.

In the meantime, there seem to have been various edits done by two similarily named users, AdamB21 and RichB6. These two users seem to be desperate trying to mend some of the criticism in the article. A lot of the edits seem rather dubious to me. However, my entire "life" on Wikipedia is being a gnome, really, and I feel very insecure when it comes to editing of any kind.

For that very reason, I wanted to look for outside help. What would you say the right course of action from here would be?

PS: If you can't be bothered, which I'd fully understand of course, I'd greatly appreciate it if you could point me in the right direction on where to ask. :-)

In any case, thanks a lot. ~ | twsx | ^talk_cont | ~ 16:29, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Wow. That looks like a mess. I don't have the time to dive into this right now, but here are a couple of options you might consider: You mention that it doesn't meet the criteria for RFC/U (I assume you mean Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User conduct), which I agree with. I might consider opening a sockpuppet investigation though (which you might have meant in the first place, because the acronym RFC/U is sometimes misunderstood as "request for Checkuser"). WP:ANI might be another option. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 16:57, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Heya. Thanks, I didn't think of ANI. Opened up a post here. Cheers! ~ | twsx | ^talk_cont | ~ 21:23, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Prod of List of Utah breweries, wineries, and distilleries

I don't know if anyone is going to remove the prod but I 100% support your rationale and even previously included the article in an AfD discussion about these types of articles. Even though I'm a WP:WINE member, I do believe these types of articles (of which we sadly have many) do not conform to the purpose behind WP:LIST and merely serve as free advertisement for non-notable wineries, breweries and distilleries to have a WP:PHONEBOOK entry on Wikipedia. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 17:41, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the support. The List of New Hampshire breweries is already at AfD. I was contemplating doing a batch AfD, but there are some notable differences in the lists, so I think I'll nominate individually if they get contested. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 17:58, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, as I learned several years ago with my AfD, batch noms rarely come out with any consensus. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 18:59, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

I am in the process of removing the prods on every one of them, or at least the ones that do have entries., , as I think just the opposite. Lists of organizations of a c notable type in a region are suitable lists, though they usually should be limited to the notable ones. You could save us both a lot of trouble by going to afd directly, as I will challenge any such prod that I notice. Very few such deletions turn out to be uncontroversial--they are almost always contested. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DGG (NYPL) (talk • contribs)

A kitten for you!

YOU HAVE MAD A MISTAKE IN BLCKIN ME I WILL HAUNT YUR DREmbs

Sckay55 (talk) 16:49, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Declined prods

I've recently declined your following prods for:

• Oskar Blues Brewery
• Otter Creek Brewing

In the event you haven't considered this before, please strongly consider searching for reliable sources that provide significant coverage about topics prior to proposing them for deletion. Information regarding source searching can be perused at WP:IRS and section D of WP:BEFORE. It was quite easy to find sources for these articles that demonstrate topic notability.

Also, per WP:NRVE, topic notability is based upon the availability of sources, rather than the state of sourcing within Wikipedia articles. Thank you for your consideration. Northamerica1000^(talk) 14:14, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

EADS Group

Dear Sir, since january the first 2014, Airbus Group headquarters are located in Toulouse, not in Leiden. Please check before removing, thank you Antoine Blondin (talk) 16:59, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

List of breweries in Illinois

Greetings, IronGargoyle. I have restored the deleted entries in "List of breweries in Illinois", while removing all the linkspam. I have started a discussion about this. Feel free to join in, at Talk:List of breweries in Illinois#Notability, and links. — Mudwater ^(Talk) 14:18, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

International Child abduction

Can you please re write this with your own words in international child abduction? Make your that this is not plagiarism.

http://www.international-divorce.com/Top-Ten-Tips-for-Expats.htm

If you’re overseas and pregnant, and not 1000% confident that you’ll always want to live in the overseas country, consider very seriously getting out of there now. If your baby is born overseas, whether in Sweden or Saudi Arabia, the child’s “habitual residence” for purposes of the Hague Convention will be Sweden or Saudi Arabia – and that can create terrible problems if you want to take your baby “back home.”

Before you move overseas, realize that if you have children in a new country you may find yourself trapped there. An example: Angie the American and Gus the Greek (from Cyprus) moved to Cyprus with their baby. Life in Cyprus didn’t work out for Angie. In fact, she hates it there. But Gus refuses to leave and he refuses to allow Angie to take the baby back to the States to live. Since both Cyprus and the U.S. are parties to the Hague Convention on the Civil Aspects of International Child Abduction, Angie will be in big trouble if she takes the child back to the States without Gus’ permission. Angie wishes she had consulted an international family lawyer before she moved overseas. Now she’s stuck there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.151.9.245 (talk) 20:16, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

I really have no interest in re-adding this material to the article, sorry. IronGargoyle (talk) 16:29, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Brewery Lists

Greetings IronGargoyle: I went to the former List of Breweries in Vermont to use it because it was a fast way to find a particular brewery. I was going there because I had discovered a lovely New York Times citation, but I wanted to save time in searching out the brewery. What do I find? You've removed the list by redirection to Brewing in Vermont. However in your move and subsequent edits, you lost the list of all Vermont breweries (even the blue wiki-linked provably notable ones) and left in the article shameless plugs for a few. If your goal is to remove promotion, then why did you remove all the other Vermont breweries on a really well-organized page that used to contain a list, ([2]) to a stripped down page ([3]) only promoting a few companies? I see nothing on the talk pages to indicate that you sought consensus prior to these bold changes. I also see that you have started to do similar in California and other states. Brewing is a big business now and growing at an impressive rate in states across the U.S. To give only one example:

In 2013 California, craft brewing added $1.7 billion in wages, $850 million in taxes, and grew 20% by volume over 2012. The state brews more craft beer than any other state and has 12 of the largest craft breweries (by volume) in the U.S. (source: David Richey & Bart Watson, California Craft Brewing, Economic Impact Report, California Craft Brewers Association, 2013, 15 pages)

Based on the economic importance of this sector of non-durable manufacturing in a nation which has lost much of its manufacturing base, I do not understand gutting pages and tossing tags around without seeking consensus on talk pages. I see you replied to an editor who said he agreed with you but I also that several other Wikieditors have come to your page with concerns about your mass actions on the U.S. Brewery pages, but I do not see replies or changes to editing style relative to their communications. My concern is the lack of usual Wikipedia behavior of notify, talk, wait, talk some more, then do things. I see from your edit history that you make hundreds of edits a day. I hope you are not caught up in some kind of edit count leader-boarding at the expense of the overall project. Perhaps it is time to slow down and smell the roses, state your vision on the talk pages and reply to the editors with concerns before doing more? Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:13, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

The blue-linked entries are still there. They are just in the body of the text, and not in list form (there seemed to be far too few bluelinks to make a proper list). There were very few bluelinks and so I saw no need for them to be duplicated in a list. I have nothing to say to your silly assumptions of bad faith that I'm doing this to raise my edit count. I might have nominated a few too many of the lists for deletion initially, and you'll notice that I stopped nominating them for deletion. That said, many (but not all) of these brewery lists still violate WP:NOTDIRECTORY. I am trimming down entries which are not notable. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a list of everything in the universe. If you find references (which are both reliable and independent) for removed entries which speak to the notability of the removed breweries, feel free to re-add them individually. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 16:26, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Actually all the blue-linked entries from the list that used to be on that page are NOT still there. The list formerly included:

• Alchemist Brewery,
• Harpoon Brewery,
• Long Trail Brewing Company,
• Magic Hat Brewing Company,
• Otter Creek Brewing,
• Rock Art Brewery,
• the Brewery at Trapp Family Lodge, and
• Trout River Brewing.[4]

Only the two shown in italics are still included on Brewing in Vermont. Thus your statement above "The blue-linked entries are still there. They are just in the body of the text" is incorrect.

My suggestion that you are going too fast is not an assumption of bad faith as you assumed, but an observation based on the speed, lack of attention to detail, and national application of your read of the guidelines and policies prior to obtaining community consensus. Redirecting the lists pages before consensus makes it very hard to check if the former material was incorporated or lost - as was the case with Brewing in Vermont. I am approaching this discussion from a place of concern for you and the project, however your "my way or the highway" rigidity on the topic is not evident of WP:NPOV or WP:CONSENSUS. I see you are continuing this one editor crusade across all the states of the United States even as multiple editors ask you to stop and talk. Might I ask you to stop single-handedly rearranging the topic and seek consensus? Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:27, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

I've added the list back in. The list was very short, and again, I did take the time to check each link and I thought the list was too short to be worthwhile. Some of the links are still not really suitably related to Vermont brewing in my opinion (an article about a beer brand, an article primarily about a lodge that has a small brewery, a brewery based in a different state, a non-notable brewery, etc.), but I really don't care that much about that. I noticed halfway through writing this that you thanked me for my edit, so hopefully the article is in a satisfactory state right now. As far as editing philosophy though, I do tend to be bold when making edits. Given the terrible shape of these lists, I don't think that was in any way unwarranted. I'm happy to talk about these edits after the fact, but a local consensus of a few editors who like to have a bunch of linkspam and non-notable entries in their lists doesn't overrule a larger project-wide consensus that Wikipedia is not a directory. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 18:44, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

I don't think that any of the editors who have been working to bring these lists to shape "like to have a bunch of linkspam and non-notable entries in their lists". I think your mass deletion requests, individual deletion requests, prod tags and so on caused editors to scramble and do a lot of work in a hurry on a topic that for some unknown reason seems to bother you. In future would be simpler to put "article needs work" tag and move on. The project people then have time to move in and fix things on a more reasonable timescale than working fast under the gun. Please explain why these lists bother you so much and also please slow down and stop tearing down the house before others can nail on the roof. Ellin Beltz (talk) 23:58, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Declined prod for Hair of the Dog Brewing Company

It didn't take long to find reliable sources that provide significant coverage for this microbrewery. In the event you haven't already done so, please consider searching for sources and adding them to articles, rather than just proposing articles for deletion. Thank you for your consideration. Northamerica1000^(talk) 15:32, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

• See also: Ninkasi Brewing Company (Revision history) Northamerica1000^(talk) 16:21, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm glad that it prompted some work to get done on those articles. Nice job with the references. IronGargoyle (talk) 23:02, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	On account of your beating me to the revert so many @#(&*!$# times!  :-) Thanks for protecting the wiki! Cogito-Ergo-Sum (14) (talk) 23:00, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! :) IronGargoyle (talk) 23:03, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Eugenie Bouchard

Hi, i notice you undid the modification that I made. If you go on the 2014 australian open under the section single player, women singles point after, you can see she actually is 18, just behind Sam Stosur and in front of Maria kirilenko who pulled out of the current tournament

Thank you very much

Catherine — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.218.29.172 (talk) 00:38, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

I reverted your modification of Eugenie Bouchard with this edit. You added a nonsensical French statement to the opening paragraph and broke that first paragraph into two sections at an arbitrary and illogical location. IronGargoyle (talk) 14:06, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

List of people from Uttar Pradesh

Hello! I just wanted to thank you for fixing up the List of people from Uttar Pradesh article :) 140.177.205.223 (talk) 01:53, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Glad to help. That list was a mess. IronGargoyle (talk) 14:06, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Bliss Wishes

Can you explain exactly why the album page for Bliss Wishes was removed? I realize that you're a Wiki expert who knows more than I. Still, I'd like to understand better please enlighten. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.173.101.145 (talk) 03:11, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Because the article had previously been deleted after a deletion discussion, and then the exact same thing was re-posted (see the fourth general criteria for speedy deletion). IronGargoyle (talk) 14:08, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Ok. Can you tell me how to go about re-post the page in the proper way? or point me to an explanation of how to do so without breaking proper methods? have created a version in my sandbox with improved references which can be seen here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Etrangere/sandbox Thank you - Etrangere

or if that page isn't viewable I've created a tentative page in my user space at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Etrangere/Bliss_Wishes Etrangere

I'm not familiar with the the non-NPR sources, so I can't speak to the question if they are reliable. I think the issue really hangs on the quality of the other references. I would ask someone else, possibly a member of the Music WikiProject. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 12:18, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Mississippi Breweries

Why were the Mississippi Breweries removed from the List of breweries in Mississippi wiki? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soupermirl (talk • contribs) 04:44, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Because they need independent, reliable sources if they are to remain in the list. See WP:LISTCOMPANY. IronGargoyle (talk) 14:09, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Can they remain until sources are made and each site has a linked wiki page?

This site should be able to allow that form of editing as this is not a job for us and we edit as time allows. I will work on it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soupermirl (talk • contribs) 16:02, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

OK, references added for each brewery and all breweries from multiple sites. Please let me know if that is sufficient before removing. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soupermirl (talk • contribs) 16:37, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

The sources need to be independent. All you've done is post links to the company web pages. IronGargoyle (talk) 21:03, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Beer-related lists

Hi again. I am writing you once again to ask that you not continue to delete information from beer-related lists including List of breweries in California‎. It doesn't help the project to delete information before other editors have a chance to source it properly. I quote here from Template:Citation needed: The {{Citation needed}} template is intended for use when there is a general question of the verifiability of a statement, or when an editor believes that a reference verifying the statement should be provided. Other templates are available... Being specific about the nature of the problem will help other editors correct it.If you have the time and ability to find an authoritative reference, please do so. Then add the citation yourself, or correct the article text. After all, the ultimate goal is not to merely identify problems, but to fix them. (emphasis mine)

It would be helpful if you could not revert every edit to those pages immediately when made, but instead place a citation needed tag on any entry which you feel needs it and another editor will come along and clean it up asap. I understand completely the sections of policy which you have quoted before, but you cannot also ignore the policy that says we are here to build an encylopedia, not rip out the pages of the subjects we don't like. Ellin Beltz (talk) 23:52, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Respectfully, no. My removals seem to be the only thing that has prompted people to actually take the time to add references. It's not hard to find what I've removed in the page history. I'm here to build a good encyclopedia—not a crappy one without references—and I'm not here to build a directory either. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 17:41, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Is a link to a Convention and Visitors Bureau that lists the brewery considered sufficient? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stjeanp (talk • contribs) 04:05, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

I missed this comment, sorry. No, probably not. Wikipedia is not a directory. IronGargoyle (talk) 20:12, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Protect WP:CVU

Hi. After Special:Contributions/86.144.46.233's vandalism on the WP:CVU page, I noticed that it wasn't protected. The IP attacked the main page and two other subpages of CVU; even after reverting all three, the main page still is displaying the damage. I assume it takes time to update or something, hope I'm not wrong. Would you kindly semi-protect all of it? Ugog Nizdast (talk) 20:51, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't notice you were busy. It's fine now, I've got this answered somewhere else. Sincerely, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 10:44, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Noticed a username that violates the rules on the Advisorshares page

The page is Advisorshares, which you have edited before. The username in question is "AdvisorShares". Wikipedia's rules are clear that users aren't supposed to chose names of corporations. Also, paid employees aren't supposed to edit their own company's Wikipedia page. I informed the user of this on their talk page. Someone should get this account deleted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BFAQ#ACCOUNTETFeditor 18:57, 15 February 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Etfcanadian (talk • contribs)

Patrick Kennedy Edit.

So Patrick's own words are not neutral? And the fact is that all copyrighted information can be used in various circumstances including scholarly works. You seem like such a non-neutral person, kind of corporate. You have made the process boring and not about what the truth is at all. It is his stance and his words. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.181.248.22 (talk • contribs)

It had nothing to do with the direct quotes, and everything to do with the weasel words which were in-between those direct quotes (although later editors seem to have taken issue with the excessive direct quotation and they argue that there are possible copyright violations, which I don't disagree with either). IronGargoyle (talk) 12:07, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

remove unreferenced redlinks

Why? Many that you removed do have references, and why remove any of them anyway? If your concern is that they are unreferenced, use the tag. Pdfpdf (talk) 02:37, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Undid revision 597049506 by IronGargoyle (talk) - Irrelevant. Read WP:RED, and then discuss it on the talk page - You've been around long enough to know how to behave properly ... Pdfpdf (talk) 11:12, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

I only reverted once. You reverted twice. Editing warring talks about multiple reverts. I do know how to behave properly. Apparently you don't. I do plan on continuing the discussion of your edit warring of the article talk page at some point, but I have more important things to do at the moment. IronGargoyle (talk) 20:06, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Voltaire

Why you reverted my edits on Voltaire without reading my explanation? on talk page.Septate (talk) 16:00, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

don't revert some other's edits without reading explanation . behave your self.Septate (talk) 16

03, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Behave myself? You're funny. Making a single revert to a bad edit like the one you made is completely within the realm of normal and acceptable Wikipedia behavior. IronGargoyle (talk) 19:09, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

You made it with out reading my explanation on talk page! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Septate (talk • contribs) 10:25, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

The edit didn't make any sense on its face. All the explanation in the world wasn't going to change that. I'm not interested in editing or discussing Voltaire further. IronGargoyle (talk) 11:28, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

If you don't have any interest in Voltaire then why did you interfered. I previously made the same edit but was reverted by another user and he asked me to explain it on talk page and his point was correct. So I explained the whole edit on talk page and then made edit. And then you came who without thinking for a single moment reverted the whole edit. If you really had any problems with my changes the you should have discussed it on talk page instead of reverting. And now you are saying that you are not interested any more. I am really upset about your behaviour.Septate (talk) 15

22, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

I think you really need to chill if you get this worked up over a single revert. Please take your boldtext screeds elsewhere. IronGargoyle (talk) 16:39, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Parappa the Rapper

I saw the tag 'He also stole $100 from a fan" and simply changed it to "allegedly," as we are all innocent until proven guilty. And there are plenty of sites documenting it such as http://parappathescammer.blogspot.com that document the whole thing. it has been picked up by reputable sites as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.247.232.182 (talk) 00:18, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Then maybe cite something besides an unreliable blog? IronGargoyle (talk) 11:29, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Again... the comment was already there and was bordering on defamation. All I did was add "allegedly" and moved it to a new sentence, since the previous editor had it bundled with the previous comment making it look like it had a reference when it did not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.247.232.182 (talk) 14:42, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

That's fine, but we're better off when we remove unverified negative information about living persons entirely. IronGargoyle (talk) 17:14, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

jiyalal ram jaiswar

The details in that page are properly sourced and cited. So, please do not remove cited info — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.228.200.36 (talk) 23:29, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

having payeng

Info is properly sourced and cited. Do not edit please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.228.200.36 (talk) 23:30, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Hm. We seem to have some Aam Aadmi Party meatpuppets based in East Coast USA. Eg: at Mukul Tripathi, Habung Payeng and Jiyalal Ram Jaiswar. A general note on the issues was placed by me at WT:INB here earlier today. We had something similar before, back when the December 2013 Delhi elections were due. - Sitush (talk) 00:10, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Habung Payeng, Jiyalal Ram Jaiswar

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.Pulkit18 indore (talk) 00:42, 12 March 2014 (UTC)