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Bowerchalke

User:80.229.29.19

		The Original Barnstar
		Excellent work on Bowerchalke SuzanneKn 21:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I am really flattered to be asked to look at this geology work. I am though really a geographer rather than a geologist but I have written a few pieces on geology in wikipedia. At first glance, I do query the glacial erosion point. Salisbury is too far south to have experienced glacial erosion; however it would have experience fluvio-glacial erosion. The article also mentions sub-glacial erosion. I'm not sure what this means - does it mean solifluction where the defrosted top layers flow off the permananently frozen underlayers? Overall I think the work is excellent, hence the barnstar. I will return though to have a further look and think later but I've got to give my son the laptop now! SuzanneKn 21:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm still thinking about your 60my question. In the meantime I gave your page an info box. Hope you like it. Plse remember to sign your messages with the four tildes. SuzanneKn 18:57, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Autodidactyl

Klasies River Caves

Hi, I'm impressed by the article about the Klasies River Caves, which you wrote. However, it claims that the caves are a "a designated Unesco World Heritage Site", even though they aren't on this list, so I've removed the claim for now. Please re-add it, if you are certain the claim is true and have sources to back it up.

Happy editing,

--Carabinieri 13:06, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I've found the source you were probably referring to. But that only says that the South African government submitted the site to be added to the World Heritage list. I've changed the text accordingly. I've also added inline citations and added {{fact}} tags to information I was not able to find in the Guide to Klasies River. I'm assuming you got this information from the book by Ronald Singer and John Wymer. Could add inline citations referencing these claims as I did?

--Carabinieri 13:40, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Great work on that article. It looks really good now IMHO. By the way, I've nominated it at DYK, so it may be featured on the main page within the next few days.--Carabinieri 19:38, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

William Stark

Hi, That article would be suitable for DYK, but it wasn't created or expanded from a stub within the last five days, so it's not eligible. The DYK criteria are here, in case you want to know more about what is and isn't suitable for that section of the main page.--Carabinieri 15:07, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Klasies River Caves on DYK for 7 March 2007

On 7 March, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Klasies River Caves , which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thank you for your contributions! — ERcheck (talk) 06:37, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Klasies on Main page

Doesn't the main page need to be updated to fix the error? Shouldn't it be Omo? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Abelani (talk • contribs) 12:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC).

Place de la Bastille

I was delighted with your flattery; it's nice to know that my work is appreciated. I was also very pleased to find out what a lovely page Place de la Bastille is. It was easily remedied - if you click on the date of the entry you want to look at, this entry will appear. Then you edit that page, saving it and putting in a suitable note. The page did look dire at the beginning, so it was quite a revelation to see how good it had been. Anyway, pleased to help. SuzanneKn 21:36, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

PS You may want to just put a little note on your user page, then when people see your edits, they will know that you are not a newbie. At the moment, your user name comes up in red. When I look at the recent changes, it's the red ones I home in on as often they're the dodgy ones. SuzanneKn 21:36, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Gosh, you've worked out I am a teacher. This is worrying. But worse still it'd be great if you did give me a proper barnstar. I haven't received a real one yet. Which county are you? I'll move onto there next. SuzanneKn 22:11, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Look before applying Fossil site tag

In the past several days you've applied the ' * List of fossil sites (with link directory) " category to (at least) two archaeological sites that are definitely not fossil sites (La Venta and Calico Early Man Site). Please be careful, Madman 03:25, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Is it normal to award Barnstars for nonsense-adding edits?

See User talk:SuzanneKn and Surrey, check the edit history, then check the facts about the proposed Slyfield incinerator that was NEVER BUILT. 86.16.117.32 18:02, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

In reply to your comments on my talk page:

"So in my case you jumped to a completely wrong conclusion and immediately started hurling insults."

Hurling Insults? Where? Kindly point me to any insults I hurled at anyone. I've certainly made a forthright expression of annoyance, which I consider to be justified. A simple mistake reading the edit diff would be a perfectly innocuous by itself, but she clearly indicated that her decision to revert was based on a previous negative comment on my talk page. If she wants to use that as a standard, what goes around comes around. 86.16.117.32 20:08, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

GREAT WORK!

Thanks for your great work on the Prime Minister's spouses! I think it was the only list when I complied it, I didn't know about Walpoles two wives, as these people are rarely found in their biographies, which annoys me :) Gareth E Kegg 09:54, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your help

Thanks for your clarifiying edit on Larrys Creek on October 19. I appreciate your help keeping the article presentable while it was Today's Featured Article very much, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 19:01, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Gutenberg

Glad to see someone new interpreted in this. I'm not sure how prominent to make the caveat. Do you know of any later work discussing their theory? DGG (talk) 23:41, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 27 November, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Folke Heybroek, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cheers, Daniel 01:24, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

re: The Pinnacles Desert

I have no idea about the Pinnacles Desert but I will do some research and improve the article. It's 160 km from where I am, and I was holidaying for the past week surprisingly close to them. I didn't go to see them, but I think I'll go have a look if I can find time to take a day off or on a weekend. James086^{Talk | Email} 11:20, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

License tagging for Image:Folke Heybroek - Oyster-catcher.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Folke Heybroek - Oyster-catcher.jpg. You don't seem to have indicated the license status of the image. Wikipedia uses a set of image copyright tags to indicate this information; to add a tag to the image, select the appropriate tag from this list, click on this link, then click "Edit this page" and add the tag to the image's description. If there doesn't seem to be a suitable tag, the image is probably not appropriate for use on Wikipedia.

For help in choosing the correct tag, or for any other questions, leave a message on Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. Thank you for your cooperation. --ImageTaggingBot 19:07, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Image:Bowerchalke Inlier v11.jpg

Hi there, I like the image, which is credited as your own work, but I have a worry about the content. The base-map looks like a tracing of the 2nd Series Landranger map (ie not earlier than 1983) at full scale. Is this allowed? Also is the geology based on your own survey (original research) or from a BGS map (copyright unless very old?). I think more detail is required on the image details. Pterre (talk) 15:21, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

For info I've raised this on Wikipedia:Media copyright questions as I'd like to do similar on other geology-related articles but am not confident about the copyright. Pterre (talk) 23:18, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your reply. I'm not trying to cause trouble here - I'd like to see more of this and contribute myself, if allowed by copyright. I'm pretty sure the image details ought to credit the sources used - was hoping someone on the Copyright questions page would provide an authoritative opinion. Streetmap is based on the OS 1:50,000 map with permission (and no doubt a massive licence fee), so whether it comes from Streetmap or directly from OS it is still covered by Crown Copyright. How much redrawing of an OS map is needed before it ceases to be copyright? In this case the basemap is at full scale. The first 1:50,000 sheet of this area with metric contours (Landranger 2nd Ed) was 1983, still well within copyright; there are older 1:25,000 and 1:63,630 sheets with 25ft or 50ft contours now out of copyright. Although the geology in your map is not a straight copy of the current BGS maps its source is not credited on the image description. It presumably either comes from a map (which ought to be credited even if out of copyright?) or from local knowledge which sadly in Wikipedia counts as Original Research. Pterre (talk) 14:10, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

In response to your query about image software; I'd recommend Inkscape, which can produce the highly desirable SVGs; GIMP is also a handy alternative to Photoshop. Verisimilus T 16:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Jane Parker disambiguation

Thanks for correcting the link on this page. It was previously a simple redirect to Jane Porter (formerly Jane Parker), of Tarzan. However, Jane Boleyn, viscountess Rochford, is as often referred to by her maiden name, Jane Parker, as by her married name, Jane Boleyn. Therefore, I was confused when I looked her up and thought it would be clearer, especially as there is a lot of interest in Jane Parker Boleyn at the moment. I hope this makes it clear why I felt the change was helpful. Boleyn (talk) 19:22, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Hinchcliffe and sourcing

Hi, good work on the hinchcliffe article, but many of the sources seem to be blogs and forums, which rarely qualify under our guidelines on reliable sourcing, which worries me slightly. David Underdown (talk) 12:51, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

The Gazette where he was placed on the unemployed list RAF lists him only as DFC, so he cetainly wasn't give the AFC in 1918. It is just posible he was given it some time post-war if he still officially held his RAF commission - I've not managed to find a record of him actually leavign the RAF. David Underdown (talk) 15:06, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Well the gazette containing his DFC does not credit him with any previous decorations (and the book says he got the AFC first) (and nor is he one of the AFCs named in that Gazette), and I've already mentioned the later one. Now I have seen errors made (and corrections published later) in the Gazette, but for them to make the same mistake twice stretches credibility. The London Gazette is the definitive source where British decorations are recorded, so I feel we should go with that. David Underdown (talk) 15:19, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't look like I can lay hands on that easily, thought I migth have found a lead in The National Archives research guides, but that came to nothing. David Underdown (talk) 08:53, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 1 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Elsie Mackay, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Bedford ^Pray 03:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

On 23 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Pierre Lacau, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 18:29, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Self agrandising spam

It was. I was wrong. Sorry and thanks!

Philip —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.156.168.15 (talk) 23:17, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Taung Child

You reverted my changes for no apparent reason, especially when it came to the image sizes with no apparent reason. May I ask why? WP:MoS states otherwise. — BQZip01 — ^talk 21:50, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I suppose I could have {{fact}} tagged them too (done). I did a quick google search and couldn't find anything to state the current location of the skull. As for the image resizing, please don't undo everything if you disagree with only part of the edit. Simply change the part that needs changing. — BQZip01 — ^talk 01:08, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

MBisanz - Unblock request

M'aider I assume i am the innocent victim of an overzealous or misguided or dynamic ip related block. If any administrator glances at my edit history they will find no reason for the block. please remove it asap. Autodidactyl 22:05, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Better now? Should be passing through it. MBisanz ^talk 01:17, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK 8/21

On 21 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Western Air Express - Pinetos Peak crash, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Daniel Case (talk) 03:18, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

On 21 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article John Bosley Ziegler, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--–Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 23:03, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Good

This was sensible. Punkmorten (talk) 10:35, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Mauro Gianetti edit war.

I posted an idea on the talk page for Mauro Gianetti. I don't know if that will help, but it might. While I would not delete the sections you have been restoring, I would object to the bulk of that information being in the lead-in section. Too much detail, too much controversy. While it is a fact that the opinions were as stated, do those opinions really belong in a current biographical article? I decline to hold an opinion, I only wonder. In any event, all the best, and happy editing! :) sinneed (talk) 05:47, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I have become more concerned about the inclusion of the spoken statements of the "Dr." cited there and at the drugging article. Unless there is a much stronger source than a spoken statement by an opposing team's doctor, who also stated that "98-99%" of cyclists dope, I am now convinced the references do not belong on Wikipedia. sinneed (talk) 13:34, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Stephen Fry

Learning is good! I hope to carry on learning new things every day for the rest of my life. :-) -- JediLofty ^{Talk to me}_{Follow me} 09:22, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Joseph M. Papp

It is good to see your defense of the verifiable, factual information on page of Joseph M. Papp, who I have heard is also considering a comeback to racing, though not at professional or UCI Elite level. Supposedly his wife - though still in Cuba - intends to resume training as well once she exits that country.Azx2 (talk) 11:53, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Could you keep an eye on page for Joseph M. Papp, which is being polluted with content inappropriate for wikipedia article? Ciclismoaldia (talk) 00:56, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Edith Atkins

Hi Thanks for that. Very kind of you. I'll gladly send it to Did You Know if you think it's worth it, but I'll have to find out how. I still have trouble setting mouse traps.

Another thing I have tried many times is to submit photos. I have a load and I'd willingly share them. Every time I try, though, I get bogged down in endless technical stuff and I get nowhere. Shame. I'm sure these things could be simpler!

happy days

les Les woodland (talk) 05:39, 19 September 2008 (UTC)les woodland

The rivalry with Sheridan doubtless wasn't bitter but Sheridan was a professional, with loads of publicity and glamour that Atkins didn't have. They both did things differently but above all they came from the same city. If you think I suggest that they were at loggerheads or for ever trying to outdo each other, I'd be happy for you to change it. Please do.

I haven't got any pictures of Edie, although I used to. Maybe I can bother you later with other pics. Thanks for the offer.

happy days

lesLes woodland (talk) 05:13, 22 September 2008 (UTC)les woodland

Edith Atkins

On 23 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Edith Atkins, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 08:00, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

pleased

thx4thx ... I wondered if I was being a bit too decisive, but I'm pleased it worked out and I shall try and look for your refs in the lead of your next dyk. Oh and I raced (in a pack far behind) and met John Atkins ... very talented bloke. cheers Victuallers (talk) 12:44, 23 September 2008 (UTC) oops.. misunderstood... maybe Les will find it ok too Victuallers (talk) 13:21, 23 September 2008 (UTC) Why thank you .... I remember getting my copy of "Cycling" mag with Alf Engers and his sub 50 minute 25 mile time trial! Victuallers (talk) 16:33, 23 September 2008 (UTC) You're right I thought the copyright argument is clever ... then ?I realised it was too clever. The words have no known author - but I bet someone knows the calligrapher. So I had to remove it. The Margarite ones are interesting ... you did well to find them but unless you can find the owner then I think we're stuck. 1939 is not even 70 years old. pity Victuallers (talk) 17:27, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

dyk nom

Hi A ... some advice. If you intend to go for va DYK nom then you need 1500 chars of text. Strictly this excludes "lists" so most of the "golden book" could be seen as a list... and quotes. So Wilson could be seen as mostly a quote. Suggest that you paraphrase the Wilson quote to make it text and move it up the article. Then your hook can be "did you know Marguerite Wilson .... something ...in the Golden book?" Hope that make sense. You only get one DYK but at least it sees the front page. Vic aka Victuallers (talk) 14:04, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Marguerite Wilson

On 30 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Marguerite Wilson, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 08:24, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Golden Book of Cycling

On 30 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Golden Book of Cycling, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 08:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Henri Pélissier

I have copied this picture from French Wikipedia. Is that what you wanted? If so, it is in the article now. Regards, SpinningSpark 17:02, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

No, it was more than the capitals, you have to download the picture from French Wikipedia and then upload the picture to English Wikipedia first. Or upload from French Wiki to Commons and then use it as a Commons picture is another way of doing it. SpinningSpark 19:17, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi

(Am I supposed to reply here or on my own talk page?)

Thanks. And thanks, too, for the Barnstar. I'm not quite sure if it's the equivalent of a peerage - you'll have to explain - but any reward is flattering!

Interesting man, Raman Minovi. Sadly, I know nothing about him and the "original research" rules rule out ringing him to find out. Odd sort of ruling, that, since it appears to mean that I can't write something I know unless it is published somewhere else.

Do you have a real name and an interesting life? Who and where are you, and what's your interest in cycling.

happy days

lesLes woodland (talk) 18:22, 11 October 2008 (UTC)les woodland

SOS

An alarming message has popped up on my new Eddie Borysewicz page. Do you know what it means? I don't understand the point about the references all leading back to themselves. Is it something I can sort out? Can you? I'm mystified.

Many thanks.

lesLes woodland (talk) 07:12, 12 October 2008 (UTC)les woodland

Notability of Claire odette fenby

, Its now a moot point as it has been deleted. But to answer your question, the speedy deletion process does not require you to do anything at all after placing the appropriate template on the article, which I saw that you had done. The act of placing the template automatically places the article in a category:candidates for speedy deletion and that will attract the attention of an administrator pretty fast (sometimes it is only minutes). The speedy might fail, either because the editor challenges it, or because the administrator does not agree that it is a suitable candidate for speedy (speedies are only meant for cases that are absolutely clear and uncontroversial). So you should go back and check after a while (maybe the next day) to see if it did actually get deleted. If the article survives the speedy, it might still be a candidate for deletion. But now there must be a proper discussion as speedies are only for clear-cut cases where an administrator can make the deletion without consultation. If you still think that the article should be deleted you can nominate it at WP:AfD. A debate will then be set up to decide the issue. It is good manners (but not actually a requirement) to inform the author that you have taken the article to AfD so they can take part in the debate. SpinningSpark 17:27, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Talking on the wireless

You really are keen on self-flagellation if you went searching out old radio programmes! I was surprised how much interest that piece caused. I had calls for some time afterwards. I'll see what I can do about Alfonsina. Thanks again for your interest. Les woodland (talk) 05:08, 24 October 2008 (UTC)les woodland

DYK for Alfonsina Strada

On 24 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Alfonsina Strada, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 16:11, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Dr Mabuse

Hi Peter

That's fine. I wondered which way round to do it. I thought the Mabuse name would be better known than the real one, but if it gets redirected anyway, that's fine.

happy days

lesLes woodland (talk) 12:29, 28 October 2008 (UTC)les woodland

WP:BLP

Do not ever, ever, revert to readd unsourced negative material about a living person under the guise of "doing research" or "adding a citation needed template". This behaviour is strictly prohibited by Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons, and if necessary will be enforced by blocking as provided for here. Daniel (talk) 13:33, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Dr M

Does that help? I wanted to say that Sainz was suspected of drugging the horse but I hadn't wanted to suggest that he actually had. I think it now makes clear what the suspicions were and that tests proved them unfounded. Do let me know. By the way, what did you mean the other day about cycling in the Portuguese sun? And have you got an e-mail address where I can reach you? Les woodland (talk) 15:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)les woodland

I have internet probs ... but MOVEing a page is possible Victuallers (talk) 16:19, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Hobgoblins

That's fine! I'm flaterred. Thanks. Les woodland (talk) 17:08, 31 October 2008 (UTC)les woodland

Quotes

Far from upset, I stand in admiration at your talents and that you're interested enough to use them for me. Thanks for that, and thanks for your news about the Pépin DYK. Les woodland (talk) 14:35, 4 November 2008 (UTC)les woodland

DYK for Bernard Sainz

On 4 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bernard Sainz, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 19:59, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Jean Robic

On 5 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jean Robic, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 14:34, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Warning and reporting vandals

Actually, I think WP:Vandalism says most of it. The place to report vandals is WP:AIV, but a report won't be accepted unless the vandal is recently active, has had a final (level 4) warning, and has vandalised since that. So friend Baaryiscool doesn't get reported now because he seems to have stopped after a level 3 warning. (Sometimes that makes me feel like a hunter balked of his prey, and I have to remind myself that, if he stops, that's what we wanted to happen!) It's worth checking again, as I just did, in case the vandal has restarted after a pause; to do that, go back to his talk page and click "User contributions" in the column on the left, third item under "toolbox".

When adding a warning to a user talk page, look to see what (recent) warnings are already there and add the next one up. IPs need different treatment from usernames: you have to reckon that anything over an hour or so ago may be a different person, though if it's the same page being vandalised it's probably the same vandal. Even with a username, if there has been a long gap (days) I wouldn't necessarily step the warning up. If there is already a recent level 4 warning, and the vandalism you have spotted is at least a minute or so later (so that he has had time to read the Level4), then it's time for AIV.

If there are no warnings yet, start at level 1 or 2. Level 1 "assumes good faith", so if (e.g.) the vandal has written "Poop" everywhere you can go straight to L2.

An awkward but not uncommon case is where there is a L4 warning for a username a day or two old. Although the warning says "next time you will be blocked" I have known AIV refuse a report in those circumstances - probably best to give an L3 or another L4.

Full list of warnings at WP:WARN - the usual ones are uw-delete (if it's only removal of content) or uw-vandalism. They can be abbreviated to uw-v and uw-del, e.g. {{subst:uw-v3|Annie Besant}} . Once you have placed a warning, click "User contributions" to see what else he has been up to that may need correcting and, if recent, a further warning.

Good hunting; ask me if you have any more questions. JohnCD (talk) 21:23, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

The benefits of mystery words

Hi. Thanks for letting me know. I hadn't considered that "mercery" would be such a mystery word, but maybe using one or two now and then isn't that bad a thing! My e-mail, should you want it: lanternerouge (at) ifrance (dot) com

DYK for Daniel Mangeas

On 9 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Daniel Mangeas, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 11:12, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh, wow, that was a surprise! Thank you as well for your efforts to clean up that article! —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 14:57, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Vin Denson

On 10 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Vin Denson, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 06:40, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Trébuchon

Hi, Peter... following me into new territories, are you?! Thanks for your work. I think it may have been you who added the comment that one of the links didn't mention Trébuchon. But when I clicked it, to be sure, that is just who the article was about. Are we thinking of different things? happy days - les Les woodland (talk) 16:08, 12 November 2008 (UTC)les woodland

Thanks once more for taking an interest! I, too, don't think "(French soldier)" is needed. But the Great Machine tells me there is already an "Augustin Trébuchon" story. There's isn't; what there is is a mention of him in another article. If you have a large enough hammer to put it right, that'd be great.

Two other things I tried to correct but either couldn't or didn't know how... there are two articles about Freddie Grubb, one headed "Frederick Grubb" and the other "F. H. Grubb"... and the machine won't let me change the entry for "LOOK" to "Look". Just because it's printed in capitals on frames doesn't mean it's the name of the company in real life.

If you were in Agen (pronounced Agennngg locally), you were 30km due east from where we live. I'm a member of the ASPTT Agen. happy days - les Les woodland (talk) 05:22, 13 November 2008 (UTC)les woodland

A Pépin pépin

(In case you didn't know, a "pépin" in French is "a spot of bother"...)

I think, as you say, it's a studio pic. Still out of copyright but not from the mag. happy days, les Les woodland (talk) 17:42, 18 November 2008 (UTC)les woodland

Cavendish

Hi. It's all one quote from Comte. Within it, he quotes Grappe. Make sense? Les woodland (talk) 14:15, 21 November 2008 (UTC)les woodland

DYK for Les West

On 23 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Les West, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

07:02, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

copyright

Fine to use ... see [here] ... public domain! Victuallers (talk) 16:52, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Lady Constance Lytton

On 27 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lady Constance Lytton, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Ont'wheel

Hi. Thanks for your work on Bobet. Something's gone wrong with the "On The Wheel" references, though. happy days - les Les woodland (talk) 08:55, 1 December 2008 (UTC)les woodland

Robert Howlett

Happy to help. If you have a qualifying UK library card you have free access to the ODNB using your library number as login. Here is temp copy of the ODNB Howlett biog - please delete when finished.--mervyn (talk) 14:30, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Howlett, Robert (1830–1858), photographer, was the son of the Revd Robert Howlett, Church of England clergyman, of Longham, Norfolk. He only comes to notice three years before his premature death in 1858; nothing is known of his mother, early life, education, or training. During his brief career he produced some of the most significant photographs of the period, most notably his portrait, Isambard Kingdom Brunel and the Launching Chains of the Great Eastern, made during the closing months of 1857.

Although he is known to have taken photographs as early as 1852, Howlett first came to notice working as a photographer for the Photographic Institution in New Bond Street, London. Established by Joseph Cundall and Phillip Delamotte in 1853, the Photographic Institution quickly became the leading establishment for the commercial promotion of photography through exhibitions, publications, and commissions. It may be presumed that Howlett joined the company after Delamotte left to take up his appointment as professor of drawing at King's College, London.

1856—the year in which Howlett is first mentioned in the photographic press—was extremely busy for him: during the course of the year he sent prints to the annual exhibitions of photographic societies in London, Manchester, and Norwich. Among the work he submitted were two landscape studies, In the Valley of the Mole, Mickleham and Box Hill, Surrey, which are likely to have been taken the previous year. In the same year he undertook the first of a number of commissions for Queen Victoria and Prince Albert, who regularly called upon the services of the Photographic Institution. Apart from copying the works of Raphael for Prince Albert's comprehensive art historical study, Howlett also made a series of notable portraits of soldiers who had distinguished themselves during the Crimean War. These were exhibited the following year at the Photographic Society of London's annual exhibition under the title Crimean Heroes and are now frequently confused with the series taken by Joseph Cundall. Despite the ascendancy of photography there were growing fears about the stability and permanence of prints, many of which were showing signs of premature fading. It is within this context that Howlett published On the various methods of printing photographic pictures upon paper with suggestions for their preservation (1856).

In common with many other London establishments the Photographic Institution also operated a studio where Howlett made a significant number of portraits. Doubtless through Cundall's intimate connections within the world of publishing and fine art, a number of the most eminent artists of the day came to be photographed. Howlett's portraits of W. P. Frith, F. R. Pickersgill, J. C. Horsley, and Thomas Webster were among a larger group exhibited at the Art Treasures Exhibition in Manchester in 1857. It was Frith who commissioned Howlett to photograph crowd scenes at the 1856 Derby from the roof of a cab for use as preliminary studies for his 1858 painting Derby Day.

Howlett's most memorable series of photographs, and ones which are now regarded as epitomizing the spirit of Victorian engineering and endeavour, are those he made of the steamship the Great Eastern. The vessel was designed by Isambard Kingdom Brunel and built by Messrs Scott, Russell & Co. at Millwall, on the banks of the Thames. The single largest engineering enterprise of the period, its protracted launch nearly defeated everyone involved, including Brunel, whose posture, gaze, and muddied clothes transmit the sense of difficulty and impending failure in Howlett's portrait. Paradoxically, this portrait has since assumed iconic status, standing as it now does for all that was heroic and noble during the Victorian period.

Robert Howlett died, unmarried, of a fever on 2 December 1858 at his lodgings at 10 Bedford Place, Campden Hill, Kensington, London. It was thought by colleagues that his untimely death had been brought about by the fatal combination of overwork and his imprudent use of poisonous photographical chemicals.

Roger Taylor Sources

G. Seiberling and C. Bloor, Amateurs, photography, and the mid-Victorian imagination (1986) · Mr Hardwick, Journal of the Photographic Society, 5 (1858–9), 111–12 · A. Hamber, A higher branch of the arts (1996) · R. Taylor, ‘Critical moments: British photographic exhibitions, 1839–1865’, data base, priv. coll. · d. cert. · CGPLA Eng. & Wales (1859) Likenesses

photograph, V&A Wealth at death

under £1500: administration, 22 Jan 1859, CGPLA Eng. & Wales © Oxford University Press 2004–8 All rights reserved: see legal notice Oxford University Press

Roger Taylor, ‘Howlett, Robert (1830–1858)’, Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, Oxford University Press, 2004 accessed 2 Dec 2008

Robert Howlett (1830–1858): doi:10.1093/ref:odnb/58919

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DYK for Robert Howlett

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Old Mo

Hi. Good to hear from you again. It was getting lonely without you! No, not at all sure about the euro conversion. I didn't write it, in fact. It comes from the 1903 Tour de France page and I took it on trust, especially with a citation. I know he won a whopping amount but I couldn't have said how much. I suppose three old francs to the euro could be right. It was six and a half new francs, and there were 100 old francs to a new franc. But my head is spinning already! Les woodland (talk) 19:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)les woodland

Old Mo again

The francs he won were gold francs. Does that complicate matters? - les Les woodland (talk) 21:06, 9 December 2008 (UTC)les woodland

Hmmm... It's certainly not uncommon to refer to women by their maiden names in formal situations. But it doesn't quite ring true, does it? Would it be too vague just to say what's on the stone and not attempt to explain whom they might be? Or better just to delete it? What do you think?

By the way, is there any routine for suggesting pages that might not be worthy of being there? There aren't many but there are some which are close to yoof nonsense and not a few which are so insignificant that they can only be advertising in purpose. happy days Les woodland (talk) 15:54, 10 December 2008 (UTC)les woodland

Women's Suffrage

I would not recommend edit summaries like this: "mistaken or idiotic reversal that reimplemented vandalism - proof read carefully" when you are making a revert like this [1] which succeeded in making the lede to the page nonsensical by removing undeniably idiotic text that was actually embedded in necessary text. Proof read carefully indeed! Paul B (talk) 09:19, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Giro d'Italia flag (1861-1946)

{{flag|Italy|old}} gives Italy. See Template:Country_data_Italy for more information. --EdgeNavidad (talk) 22:57, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I did not upload this, it was already there. Not only for Italy, also for other countries. For Germany for example, Template:Country data Germany. --EdgeNavidad (talk) 08:05, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Maurice Garin

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Les Amis, mon ami

By popular acclaim, I've added the Amis section. If you have more patience and talent than I have, you could introduce pictures from the Les Amis web page. If you follow the link and then go to the press dossier, there are pictures of work being carried out which are offered free of copyright. I find uploading pictures taxes my remaining hair. The instructions, and above all the explanation of subsequent problems, must be written for geeks by other geeks. To tell you a photo needs tagging and then not explaining how to do it is hardly in the spirit of an encyclopaedia, n'est-ce pas?! What is your e-mail address? Les woodland (talk) 06:23, 15 December 2008 (UTC)les woodland

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Freddy M

Hi... I see you've added that Old Fred is curator of the Oudenaarde museum. Are you sure? I thought he was at Roeselare. Les woodland (talk) 06:30, 21 December 2008 (UTC)les woodland

Hi... Enjoy Portugal. It beats being here at my mother-in-law's in Britain! I've taken out the 'clarification needed' for Old Fred. His own Wiki entry says he's now at Oudenaarde, so I assume that's so. The tourist site for Roeselare, however, says he's still there. I don't think it was I who wrote he was at Oudenaarde, though.

I agree with you about the guy who took out the par about Cavendish and Maertens. For me, it rounded out character and perspective and showed that even heroes have heroes. But Wikipedia is a collaborative venture and I didn't want to get into an edit war and seem a pretentious twit fighting for his own golden prose! I'll have a look when I get back to France. If you want to reinstate the words, you'll have no objection from me! I'll settle down to finish the Ronde as well.Les woodland (talk) 06:02, 23 December 2008 (UTC)les woodland

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A proper Charlie

Hi. I hadn't seen your changes to the Gaul piece. I may have unwittingly undone them all, for which I can't apologise enough. I have been updating the text in a WP program, then pasting in the article all over again. I suspect that has undone all your good work. A thorough whipping is what I deserve, of course. Sorry. les Les woodland (talk) 06:25, 10 January 2009 (UTC)les woodland

Your wish is my... etc etc

Various changes made to Mr Vienna, as asked. I think you're right that he ought to have his full name in the title but when I tried it, the Great Machine declined. I've done the P-R para you mentioned as well, and you've seen the e-mail I sent about the start venues. Thanks for all your help and enthusiasm. Don't make a bad team between us, do we?! By the way, do you know what nationality Drunt is? I asked but he didn't answer. He said English wasn't his first language. happy days, les Les woodland (talk) 16:51, 11 January 2009 (UTC)les woodland

Dr Unt

So, I'm blind as well as confused. Not much hope for me, is there?! Les woodland (talk) 17:40, 11 January 2009 (UTC)les woodland

Missing races

Hi... I hadn't noticed the races had vanished. Did I somehow do that by mistake? Are you clever enough to restore them? By the way, I wasn't sure what you meant by the "current comeuppance"? Qu'est que tu veux dire, mon pôte? - happy days, les Les woodland (talk) 08:48, 14 January 2009 (UTC)les woodland

You're quite right. I was thinking of "controversies", but they're still all there. If you're happy to delete "epic races", do go ahead. I'm still puzzled. - les Les woodland (talk) 09:12, 14 January 2009 (UTC)les woodland

Could work, of course. But I see there's a note at the top of the page that says "Enough, already!" so it may be unwise to invite more, especially given your kindness of recommending GA status. Make sense? - les Les woodland (talk) 16:54, 14 January 2009 (UTC)les woodland

Your wish on Dicky V and his name has been granted... Les woodland (talk) 16:59, 14 January 2009 (UTC)les woodland

Images

Sorry not much room for "spin" here. An image given to wikipedia is an image given to the world. The only thing your mate can hope for is attribution. The only argument is a) charity b) loss leader. If he makes his money from the copyright of these images then he has to be in a generous mood. Victuallers (talk) 19:35, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Possible solution - try Flickr! In Flickr there are already 264 pictures that are properly tagged at the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License, some of which perhaps might work.

http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Paris-Roubaix&l=5

There is another 1500 +/- available if you were to ask them (by sending Flickr mail) to lower their copyright tags to either "Attribution License" -or- "Attribution-ShareAlike License". There is a 3/4 chance they will! --Doug Coldwell ^talk 19:55, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Doug, Looks most hopeful. I will give it a try. Regards User:Autodidactyl 00:01, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

It works for me. Here is an article, most of which I obtained the pictures by just asking them to lower their copyright tags. Check out how I uploaded them to Commons to give you examples on how to do it.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 00:17, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Théodore Vienne

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Arthur Markham

Hi Thaf, good detective work on AM. Is the 1845 record visible online? How did you find it? I searched but found nothing. Regards User:Autodidactyl 23:31, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Ps. Charles Holland (cyclist) and George Mount could do with your assessment skills.

Transcriptions of the Birth, Death & Marriage Indexes are available on Ancestry.co.uk - you have to register but that is free. Thaf (talk) 13:44, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Annie Bonar Law

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Paraguay Massacre

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Irish Co-ords and infoboxes

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DYK nomination of Emma Nutt

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DYK for Glensanda

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DYK for William Chaloner

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Darwin family tree

Thanks for making a good faith edit to add the family tree to the Charles Darwin article, I appreciate your intent but on looking at its effect in detail, feel that the relationships shown are a bit complex and distant for this very compressed article, and the previous layout worked better in relating images and their captions to the text of the article. So, have undone the edit: the information is readily available via a link in the #Darwin’s children section, and the immediate forebears are shown in the #Childhood and education section. It's been difficult keeping the size of the article within reasonable bounds, and while it's fascinating that Ralph Vaughan Williams is indirectly related to Gharles and Emma (though not their descendant) that's really a side issue which is best covered in the Darwin-Wedgwood family, which of course shows the family tree in context. Thanks again, dave souza, talk 20:05, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Ruth Ellis

Thanks for your comment & I agree but will you please enlighten me on... How I can word this more effectively & What does OR stand for ?

--Steve Bowen (talk) 11:09, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

---Thanks for the latest changes to this page, it's much more free-reading now

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Steve Bowen (talk) 18:41, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Vajont

Please could you check [this] edit for typos? --Jollyroger (talk) 12:40, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

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Hubert Latham

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Le Vélo references

Hi, I hope you don't mind, but I made a couple of changes to Le Vélo. Some recent Mediawiki updates brought in use of "list-defined references". I don't know if you've seen them implemented before, but it allows the references to be listed in the references section, instead of cluttering up the main body of text. I find them a great improvement and help in editing. If you don't agree, feel free to undo. And, if you don't like the {{r|refname}} template that I used, one can still use <ref name=" "/> as usual. Very nice article, by the way, :-) Maedin\^talk 07:58, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Alright, me 'andsome? I didn't realise I had ever been in Truro, :-) As for the French pronunciation, I have been informed by a Belgian French speaker that, as there is no "e" at the end of Maedin, it should be pronounced "May-dohn". I don't actually know if that's correct though, as I am, to my detriment and eternal disappointment, not French, :-)

I'm very pleased that you are happy with the article edits. It was only by a bit of luck that I found out about the list-defined references, and I'm glad I did! Au revoir Maedin\^talk 08:52, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Ernest Archdeacon

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Ernest Archdeacon

I sometimes add project tags and even rate bio project if tags missing, but I don't review every DYK if it has already been tagged. The aviation categories appear to be generated by the WPAVIATION banner if the tag is not filled out.--Grahame (talk) 10:14, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

No I don't think that you are wrong to add the tags, but it is hard to get people to reassess articles because there are so many articles and so few reviewers. This article has a problem in that it is a biographical article, but all but two sentences cover the period between 1898 and 1908. While obviously this is the most important period it raises questions about comprehensiveness, which may preclude it from being rated B (although I have rerated it C for bio). I don't rate for WPAVIATION because they have their own rules, which I haven't read up on.--Grahame (talk) 12:22, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

copyright

If you know that these were published in the usa before 1923 or you are sure the photographer died more than 70 years ago then you are 100% safe, If this is not the case then I follow the basis of probabilities. I would say the photographer was probably not alive in 1939.If the names of the photographer is unknown then I assumme he did die. This a judgement call. I'd use them and load them into commons. Victuallers (talk) 16:17, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Le Vélo

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Thanks for the contribution. Halloween DYK?Victuallers (talk) 02:00, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Archdeacon

Hi - sorry to be so long getting back to you. I couldn't add much to your site primarily because most of the material I have is in French and I need my wife's translation skills for that and she's been terribly busy lately. I may get to it in due course."Shallerking (talk) 03:36, 23 October 2009 (UTC)"

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Hubert Latham

Hello. You mention in one of your notes re Hubert Latham the term "Hubert Latham School of Flying." What is this? When the Antoinette Company started the school, rudimentary though it was, it was headed by Charles Wachter and Latham only took on a few students when he had the time. When Wachter was killed when flying for the first time in an aviation meeting (Reims, 1910), the school folded. There were not enough buyers of the Antoinettes to keep the school afloat.Shallerking (talk) 23:24, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Geology of Wales

Hi - I've placed comments on the talk page of this article and that of Geology of South Wales suggesting that the two be merged but soliciting opinion, not least of yourself and FruitMonkey who originated the two articles. I'm keen to up the presence of both Wales and of geology on Wiki. There's always the question of what works best and where there's overlap how best to deal with it. Geopersona (talk) 20:32, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

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Hubert Latham

Well that was a helpful answer and I thank you for it. I could add a ton of stuff on Latham (he's a distant cousin of my wife) but am not about to go into letters, postcards, in addition to French aviation magazines, articles, books, etc. to try to upgrade this site to "A" status. Just footnoting it is beyond me - I can't even footnote book citations any longer since I don't have an example at hand now that someone has changed the system. By the way, not that I want to change it, but the remark about a loose wire causing the Antoinette to fall into the sea on Latham's first attempt is not accurate, although Barbara Walsh (a friend of mine) wrote it so in her book. The actual fact is that no one is sure what happened to cause the motor to fail on either flight although plenty of people, including Wilbur Wright, had an opinion. Levavasseur, who was not about to accept any blame, felt it was because the two airplanes had something shaken loose in the engines when they were transferred from the camp to the take-off point (about a mile's journey over a bumpy and rut-filled road), part of the journey by being pulled by horses and part by taxiing under the airplane's own power. The idea of unfiltered fuel was raised by an aviator by the name of René Thomas who started as a mechanic for Antoinette Co. (after the Channel attempts) and rose to pilot status whose skills were second only to Latham. He swore that had he been employed by the company at the time of the Channel attempts he would have insisted the fuel be filtered, especially since Levavasseur's fuel-injection system was incredibly delicate and sensitive and the fuel used then was notoriously dirty. Anyway, thanks again for your comments.Shallerking (talk) 21:22, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Have to admit I can't make head nor tails out of your footnote instructions. I'll be the first to admit I'm a computer heathen so please don't try to make it simpler. I'll just let it go. After going through the site again I realize that if I wanted to really make the site at least more accurate I'd be destroying other people's entries ("first landing on the water" indeed. Since when is crashing into the water a "landing?") so I'll leave well enough alone. Thanks for your assistance. Keep up the good work.Shallerking (talk) 20:58, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

In reply to Shallerking's question:

Since when is crashing into the water a "landing?"

... I shall reply with the old saying:

:A good landing is any landing from which one can walk away. A great landing is any landing from which the aircraft can take off.

By this adage, Latham's first landing in the Channel was a good landing, but not a great landing. ^^;

Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 16:24, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Les Frères Robert

Bonjour, Chienlit! Merci pour le mesaage, :) I like the Les Frères Robert article, you've done very good work with it. A pleasure to review for DYK! Maedin\^talk 11:14, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

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Pierre Giffard article

Bonsoir, Chienlit (the mysteriously-named)!

Just had a first look at this article. I hope you don't mind unsolicited input, but it seems to me it needs to be reorganised in a couple of ways.

At the end of the Politics section we have "Pierre Giffard died on 21 January 1922", but we then go straight on to "In 1896, he joined his colleague Paul Rousseau". I suggest either putting the whole article into chronological order, or else changing the bio section to private life and putting this kind of info there.

Also, the bold sub-section headings (Journalism, etc.) seem to me at least too prominent compared with the main headings. But I'm not going to interfere, formatting isn't my thing at all.

I will give the French the quick once-over, though. Oh, nearly forgot . . . it isn't clear in what way the Dreyfus Affair caused the rift between Giffard and de Dion. Who was on which side?

Ciao! Awien (talk) 23:41, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Wow! Bravo! Tremendous improvement, well done.

Hoping to take a look at your Louis Nicolas Robert article when I have time. (A word to the wise: tiles are right-angled and rigid; in an older house, there are no right angles and nothing is level; combining the two is a challenge). Bonsoir! Awien (talk) 00:09, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Well. more wiki magic. Trying to sort out the name of a balloonist leads us/you to the true inventor of the fourdrinier (lowercase deliberate) machine who turns out to be a guy who had a really interesting life. Bravo again! (I hear that leaving one's glasses off helps too). Awien (talk) 14:52, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Paris-Roubaix article

Salut, Chienlit! I hope you didn't take me [2] seriously, because seriously, I was only joking! But I imagine you did get it, and have just been otherwise engaged. A plus tard, Awien (talk) 22:12, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure I can find it. I have no idea what prompts your stating that Samblob must feel I am the world's authority on Levavasseur since I see nothing indicating that. I opened the Levavasseur entry (having only seen the French one before) for the first time and didn't think much of it - lot of half-baked facts and much to be added, but I'm not about to get into this game again and work on that one too. Appreciate your thoughts, however. Shallerking (talk) 23:14, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Your inference is well-deserved! Seriously, I probably do know more about the man than most, at least in the U.S., but there's lots associated with him that I do not know. At any rate, as I said, I'm not interested in getting involved in yet another Wikisite - have enough problems tweaking Latham. It's difficult to edit when you have to work with other people's input and make the entire paragraph read well. Anyway, appreciate your interest. By the way, where, or perhaps I should say why, did you come up with "chienlit?"Shallerking (talk) 01:34, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

L'Esprit de l'escalier

I doubt whether there's anyone who hasn't had the feeling!

Anyway, no wonder you had trouble with the Diderot quotation - taken out of context, it makes no sense (in English or in French), but to give enough of the context for it to make sense would make it disproportionately long (I've just re-read the relevant section of my dusty paper copy). The people he mentions are also irrelevant to the topic of the expression. So I think the best thing is to summarise with explanations, which I'll do later unless you object. Bonne nuit, Awien (talk) 03:30, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Templates

Wikipedia:Citation templates Wiki:Reference generator Chienlit (talk) 23:01, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Ref notes {{ ..a ... }} 1896 Summer Olympics medal table Chienlit (talk) 08:53, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

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hubert latham

Hi - did you get my message about uploading photographs to the site? If so, how do you do it? Thanks.Shallerking (talk) 22:46, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I did everything according to your instructions; however, I was unable to find "save" so therefore can't get it into the site.Shallerking (talk) 20:10, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

I did upload it and I can't find it anywhere, not on the original page nor when I enter review. Yet when I tried to enter the photograph again it said I already had a photo by the name in the file and did I want to change it. Where is it??? Thanks.Shallerking (talk) 23:03, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi, appreciate the assistance. The photo I uploaded is entitled "Latham at Reims with Monobloc prior to takeoff attempt.jpg. Good luck! Shallerking (talk) 21:04, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Fantastic and many thanks! Now, let me ask you how I get it to show after I upload it. As you know, when I uploaded the current one I couldn't find it. If I upload another photograph, where does it appear and how can I place it in the appropriate part of the article? Thanks so much again, Shallerking (talk) 23:43, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi - I'm not sure I made myself very clear. The existing picture of the Monobloc is just fine - I don't want to changes its location (I did edit it to change "photograph" to post card). I'm talking about placing a new photo in the article. I have it ready to upload but after I do upload I have no idea where it goes - can't find it anywhere. How did you find the Monobloc photo in the first place? Thanks.Shallerking (talk) 02:02, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Instead of trying to teach a ninny like me, I would appreciate your inserting the two additional photos I uploaded in the appropriate place (in the section dealing with Latham's attempts to cross the English Channel). The two files' names are: Latham a few weeks after second Channel attempt. Note scare on forehead due to crash injury.jpg and Latham in Antoinette IV en route to Cap Blanc Nez for his first Channel attempt.jpg. Again, many thanks.Shallerking (talk) 04:14, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi and your inserts looks great. For copyright purposes, use their code PD-US-1996 for both of the photographs. I don't know how to insert it. While you're at it, any chance of moving the Latham photograph to the section on the Channel attempts, since the photo relates to that (his injury)? Thanks so much again.Shallerking (talk) 17:53, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, the code should be 1923, not 1996 (no idea where that number came from!).Shallerking (talk) 17:55, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi again and thanks for the repair work. No, I don't think it's worthwhile to add yet another photograph of Latham. It's OK to leave it where it is. What happened to the postcard that was there (it wasn't mine)? I would sure like to know where you can add the copyright info - after I upload photographs I have no idea where to find them or how to access them for editing or even to view them. Once they're uploaded I lose them forever. Strange. Working with Wiki is not very intuitive I must say. Thanks again.Shallerking (talk) 23:28, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

OK, I uploaded another photo you can place where "scarhead" is and move the old one to the cross-Channel section. I put in PD-US 1923 but have no idea if it went in the right place. Title is Latham with his cigarette and ivory holder at the controls of an Antoinette VII, date and place unknown.jpg. I promise this should be the last time I prevail upon your much-appreciated generosity in helping me out.Shallerking (talk) 01:25, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Perfect! A zillion thanks.Shallerking (talk) 17:12, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Looks like I lied - there is one last photo to insert, that of Latham's gravesite. Title is Latham's gravesite, along with his father and mother, in Le Havre, France.jpg. I uploaded the wrong photo at first and then re-loaded the one I wanted, but they both may be there, I have no idea. If there are two, it is the larger of the two since it was difficult to read the gravestone in the first one I erroneously uploaded. So if you could work your wonders and place this at the end of the Wiki entry, as appropriate, I'd again be most appreciative. Many thanks.Shallerking (talk) 22:12, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Another grand thank-you. Some day we're going to have to get together and you can show me precisely what to do after I upload a photograph. Cheers,Shallerking (talk) 02:02, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I stumbled over a photograph that just HAS to be entered and ask one last time (I know this is becoming a meaningless phrase) for your assistance. It's been uploaded and should be placed in the first section of the article. It's entitled "15th century chateau Maillebois, Hubert Latham's family estate near Chartres, France, purchased by Latham's father in 1882. It is still in the Latham family." A heartfelt thanks againShallerking (talk) 02:34, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I did shorten the title considerably, but when I uploaded it I got a warning saying that the file name was changed back to what I originally submitted. So I re-submitted it and don't know what wound up, if anything, on the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shallerking (talk • contribs) 15:34, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, you did it and did it well. Again, many thanks.Shallerking (talk) 23:27, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

AT YOUR LEISURE!!! One more has been uploaded entitled Latham over English Channel on 2nd attempt.jpg. Needless to see, you know where it should go. Absolutely no rush. Many thanksShallerking (talk) 01:44, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

As always, many thanks!Shallerking (talk) 20:44, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi again. I just uploaded a better (larger) photograph of Latham in the Monobloc, entitled "Latham in Antoinette Monobloc at the Reims Military Trials, October 1910.jpg." Could you please replace the one that is there now with this new upload? Thanks againShallerking (talk) 16:16, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Beautifully done again. When are you going to charge me?? A hearty thank-you.Shallerking (talk) 19:42, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

OK, "no problem." One last picture and I say last because any more will be too much in my opinion. This photo, entitled "Latham's spectacular crash at Brooklands," should REPLACE the photo of the Monobloc, since that is currently next to the paragraph where Brooklands is mentioned. The Monobloc photo should be moved to the paragraph below which is where it is mentioned. And THAT'S IT!! Promise! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shallerking (talk • contribs) 04:05, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

A zillion apologies, but I ran across this photo from my collection I didn't know I had. If you could insert it at the end of the "Channel" section I'd be most happy. Title is "Latham, just over a mile from the English coast, awaits rescue after his second crash into the sea.jpg."Shallerking (talk) 18:57, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Boy, that was quick! Thanks so much again and Happy Thanksgiving to you.Shallerking (talk) 20:57, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

'scuse me for butting in - just wanted to say that between the two of you, you've done a great job of the pictures with this article.

(Btw, SK, if you put so much as a "Hi" on your user page, your name stops being in red . . . if you care) Awien (talk) 16:29, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Awien. a positive stroke is always appreciated. Shallerking is on a steep learning curve, but he is ascending. :-) Regards Chienlit (talk) 16:55, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Le mystère

T'es français? Ta page perso est en français maus tu écris l'anglais comme un rosbif. Où es-tu en l'Hexagone? Oui, autant que je puisse dire, la table est bonne. Merci. - léo/les Les woodland (talk) 17:42, 23 November 2009 (UTC)les woodland

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nice

addition to Coton in the Elms - thx ..... 7 hits every day! amazing. Makes in worthwhile Victuallers (talk) 22:31, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

... you re right its now 20 hits a day and sometimes over 100! amazing Victuallers (talk) 21:16, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Ahhh Quite Interesting :) Victuallers (talk) 23:36, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Et aussi, bonne et heureuse année! Awien (talk) 23:33, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

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The Chienlit innovation (referencing markup)

Hello Chienlit. I thought you might like to know that one of your editing efforts sparked a chain-reaction of learning and innovation, albeit on a small scale.

After noticing your implementation of a reference update for the Vincenz Priessnitz article on 15 November 2009 - {{reflist|2|refs= ... }} {{r|myRefName}} - I tried it myself. I found it makes articles much easier to read when editing. It also makes it easier to pick up errors in both article content and references, to fix up the references, and contributes to the overall maintainability of an article.

It was particularly useful for me in developing the Captain R.T. Claridge article, which required a lot of references to pull together disparate pieces of information. Although I still have nothing on his later years. I heard he married for a second time in 1854 to an Eliza Ann [surname Morgan I think], possibly in Nice, but the trail has gone cold for now. And of course I don't know what happened to his first wife (divorce? death?). Funny how a man can be so widely known, as Claridge was, and then just disappear into obscurity, despite good historical records of his main claims to fame.

While developing the Claridge article, I tacked back-and-forth to a range of articles, including Malvern Water, where I implemented the referencing style on 1 December 2009. A brief discussion ensued, in which GyroMagician demonstrated how to create cheatsheet-type templates, and I finally created my user page (18 December 2009) to place GyroMagician's templates where I could readily find them, with a brief explanation for other readers.

Also on 18 December, I began the process of amending Malvern, Worcestershire references for ease of editing. From this, a series of dialogues and experiments ensued, in which GyroMagician and I fleshed out our understanding of the referencing style, and compared and contrasted it with other styles. On 5 January 2010, GyroMagician created a brief 'Howto' on the Malvern discussion page. I then capitalised on this (on 6 January) to further develop my user page to flesh out illustrative examples. On 6 January, following a request for a link to something on this style, I created a discussion section on my talk page, in which I called the style the Chienlit innovation, with shorter versions on the talk pages of Kudpung and GyroMagician.

As you know, giving something a name makes it easier to discuss, without spelling out each time in detail, the thing one is discussing. As you'll see from those links, although I had a bit of a look to see if there was someone else to whom I should attribute the innovation, I settled on the Chienlit innovation as the most salient choice. Especially for the {{r|myRefName}} bit, which is what makes it possible to capitalise on the {{reflist|2|refs= ... }} template and get bulky references right out of the article, grouped nicely together in one area.

I have since elaborated further on my user page, to further illustrate both the utility, and the lack of any need for concern by editors unfamiliar with the style. As you will see from the previous link, I synopsed this a bit on GyroMagician's talk page, with the intention also there of indicating that it's probably better for those of us enthused by the innovation to quietly implement it here and there, rather than have others feel that we're imposing something on them. Simiarly, others reading that synopsis (or my user page) should hopefully see that whether or not they're interested in utilising the style, they have nothing to worry about.

I have added this section to your talk page to acknowledge your (probably unexpected) stimulation of this chain of events, and so that you can see how we have tried to do some good with this innovation, and to make it possible for others to see what it's about. Regards. Wotnow (talk) 01:29, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Maedin-Chienlit innovation

This is presumably pronounced "Made in Chienlit", similar to, but not to be confused with, "Made in China".

Thankyou for your thankyou. I will attempt to make amends after reviewing Maedin's contributions for her earliest use, and thus a citable source on my user page (so readers can see the history of the idea, which always has the potential to teach more than just the chronology).

I did spot the ==Notes== {{reflist|group=n}} in my travels, probably in Thomas Humber. But I didn't know what to make of it, or what it really did. And since I had no reason to figure out what it did, I kept moving (good for the circulation you know). Can you tell me what it is intended to do?

By the way, this ==Notes== {{reflist|group=n}} is this <nowiki> ==Notes== {{reflist|group=n}}</nowiki>. It's another neat trick I learned from GyroMagician, this time by opening up an editing window in his Wiki markup copied from GyroMagician's 'Howto' on Malvern discussion page to see the Wikibizzos, which I then just copied and pasted into my user page. Obviously to illustrate here, I had to put the <nowiki></nowiki> tags inside </nowiki></nowiki> tags, with the whole thing inside the bolding wikibizzos. This has the makings of a song lyric: "nowiki it's so fine, it's so fine it blows my mind, nowiki, nowiki" - per Toni Basil (1982). Wotnow (talk) 11:56, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

It's good, and sensible, that your use of it in the Archaeopteryx article was accepted. Articles with lots of refs, lengthy refs, and clusters of refs, all of which Archaeopteryx has, stand to benefit the most from the innovation. I knew immediately that it would be useful in the Captain R.T. Claridge article, although I tested it first in a couple articles with less refs, to get my technique right for the larger task.

So far it looks like we can trace some important Wikibizzo education for yourself and Autod to Maedin. But so far I don't find examples of {{reflist= }} usage by Maedin. Only Autodidactyl, as acknowledged, and yourself. The real 'breakthrough' was the removal of references from the article text, and grouping in the reference section, for which I don't find any evidence of innovation by anyone but you. Wotnow (talk) 13:00, 11 January 2010 (UTC)Wotnow

Noting Thomas Humber

Hi Chienlit. Well, I had a bit of a look at Thomas Humber. However, the best medical advice I could get was that this long since his death, the prognosis is not too good.

No, wait, I remember. Regarding the problem of notes. I did try a few experiments to no avail (although I should note I'm no Wikibizzo whiz). It seems to me that the possible solution is to just resort to the existing notes templates, which achieves the goal of getting the footnote out of the body of the text. See what you think anyway. Wotnow (talk) 07:01, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Humble Humber, unshackled Shackleton, and flap-free editing

Thanks for your message Chienlit. I like the {{reflist|group=Note|refs= }} in Thomas Humber. We now know of two template formats for the notes section. Very useful.

Sorry about the Shackleton article. Yer, task-wise, there's sisyphean, then there's "aaarghh!" (not to be confused with AAARGH. But I wouldn't have thought there was anything to be embarrased about it - the word 'prompt' would seem more apt to me. I daresay you intended to fully transform the article in due course anyway, it just hadn't been on your immediate agenda. Mind you, that wasn't the purpose of me listing it on my user page of course. It was an example of list-defined and embedded refs coexisting unproblematically in the same article. I have now moved it to the 'List-defined' section. I guess I'll have to find other examples of co-existing styles!

One of the things I've tried to demonstrate on my user page, both by what's there, and links to examples, is that there really is no need for people to get themselves in a flap over some things. That people become concerned about how a referencing method will impact on an article or their own style, is quite understandable. It matters to address those concerns, and demonstrate what is possible, which is what I've tried to do. Regards, Wotnow (talk) 01:34, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Shackleton

Presumably in error, you've doubled up a great swathe of the article. Yomangani^talk 17:20, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

References

Hi there, I saw your actions at History of the Earth. I'm not sure what you exactly do, but this new style interests me. I stopped putting full references in notes because of the huge amounts of difficult-to-recognize text it insert in articles, making them uneditable for newcomers and hard to edit for experienced users. Furthermore I like to keep the freedom to make a small comment in a note along with the reference. That's why I always give my refs in a literature section below the notes. The notes can be made to link to the references below (I've seen that in other articles), but I haven't yet discovered how. The only thing I don't like about what you're doing is that you have the refs both in the notes and the literature section, which is an unnecessary (and space consuming) duplication. Best regards, Woodwalker (talk) 13:39, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

dyk hook question

Hi, I have asked a question about your dyk hook here. Perhaps you could clarify. Thanks, —Mattisse (Talk) 21:29, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Charles Terront

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Materialscientist (talk) 12:00, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Henri Rougier

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Materialscientist (talk) 18:00, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Turcat-Méry

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Materialscientist (talk) 18:00, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

RFC re {{r}}

This is to inform you that I have raised an RFC at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Suspend_replacing_of_.3Cref.3E_by_.7B.7Br.7D.7D_in_citations on the issues at our recent discussion at Talk:Arthropod. --Philcha (talk) 17:06, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi Chienlit. Well, all this was an unexpected turn of events. I had no idea that the {{r}} template might impose technical glitches on bots or scripts. This of course is because I'm not yet familiar with those things. Transferring any research and writing skills that I have into the Wikipedia environment, and becoming familiar with that environment being my first overall goal. I know very well how to reference, as do others. Putting that into the Wikipedia environment is another matter.

It was for me a significant benefit to learn of a method to declutter articles of embedded references and group the references in one section - i.e. list-defined references. Similarly for GyroMagician. And my impression from interactions with yourself, and observations of your own applications, is that this was also the case for you. The fact that you used {{r}} to achieve this was by-the-by. It was a useful tool, but it was not in itself the central goal.

Looking at how the subsequent discussions unfolded, it became easier for me to see Philcha's points about the technical implications, as well as my own error in conflating {{r}} with List-defined references. {{r}} is sufficient, but not necessary, to achieve list-defined references. It can be achieved by the existing <ref> templates, which are also more compatible with existing bots and scripts, whereas {{r}} can cause glitches, which outweigh any benefits from using {{r}}, given that there are existing methods to achieve the same goal. I can concede that. If anything is central to making list-defined references work, it would be {{reflist|2|refs= ... }}, which works well with existing templates.

My impression has always been, and still is, that your own motives were essentially the same as mine (and GyroMagician for that matter). None of us have the desire to impose something on others, but rather, to open up the range of solutions available to us and others. This is evidenced by our behaviours. We discuss, we make an improvement and see whether or not it is accepted, and go from there, etc. All of that is self-evidently good-faith editing.

This brings us back to our starting point in relation to the discussion at hand. The goal of decluttering articles, grouping references in one place, and making editing easier all round, where this is seen to be beneficial. Or at the very least, demonstrate to others that this is an option available to them should they find editing made awkward by references cluttering the article. In relation to that, I have no difficulty replacing {{r}} templates with <ref> templates, rather than lose sight of what I was trying to achieve, or contribute to others misconstruing my motives.

My impression of the Arthropod debate was that specific points aside, both you and Philcha were suspicious of each other's motives My own comments show that I had my doubts. In particular, I wondered whether Philcha was using a tactic well known in large organisations - raise the ante enough to force the debate into a field where someone will impose a decision that itself is motivated by the need to get on with business, and which commonly results in status-quo. So I wondered if Philcha had an agenda. But I think it fair to say that Philcha wondered if we had an agenda.

But in the end, I find points which I can readily concede, so as not to lose sight of the original reason for using {{r}}, which was to generate list-defined references: {{r}} not being the goal, but the means to a goal. But if that particular means creates more problems than solutions, I can go with another means.

Coming back to the Arthropod article, my suggestion would be to bring that point back into focus. So the question becomes:

1. "How about we see if list-defined references can help?" and
2. "How about we replace the {{r}} templates with <ref> templates, and see what people think?

I intend to suggest that on the discussion page.

There was one thing that caught my eye on that discussion page, that I find more interesting, because it got me thinking. Your use of the term "Hey ho". I knew a fellow years ago, from a South Pacific nation, who used that term. He's deceased now, and until now I never gave any thought to this phrase, assuming it to be his own idiosyncratic style. But I have learned over the years that this is often not the case. I once worked with a South African woman, who, if you asked how she was, would reply: "Good, and you?". I assumed this was just her style, until I encountered other South Africans who responded with exactly the same phrase. I then realised of course that this is a phrase not uncommon amongst South Africans, meaning it is cultural, not idiosyncratic. My own language is peppered with phrases that just occasionally people recognise the origins of. So now I find myself wondering about the phrase "Hey ho", which I had previously long-forgotten about. Wotnow (talk) 01:17, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm concern that Wotnow and Chienlit may be making the same mistake(s) with list-defined references as with {{r}}:

• You must not try to impose list-defined references or any other standard without prior discuss. If consensus is unclear, the default is the state before your change(s).
• I've known that some editors dislike list-defined references. My view, FWIW, is that list-defined references are a technique that may be useful in some refs in the same articles, but cumbersome for others.
• I think list-defined references has at least one pitfall, although I think it's less serious than the disadvantanges of {{r}}.

I have spent too much time on our previous discussion that I would have spent more productively and enjoyably on improving a couple of articles. I will not respond to your discussions in future, but may respond as I see appopriate to any attempts to impose techniques or standards without discussion by the WP community. --Philcha (talk) 07:19, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

As GyroMagician correctly said, that particular issue is in fact a non-issue. If a given community of editors for a given article don't see a benefit, they won't adopt it. Very straightforward. Indeed, in the same article, one can use the {{reflist|2|refs= ... }} to get some of the lengthier references that break up the article text, out of the article text, leaving the others in place. It really is no big deal, unless people choose to make a big deal out of it. Wotnow (talk) 19:52, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Moving forward

Hi Chienlit. I hope all is well. I have done what I could to try to put a few things right. I think it possible to move forward if we bear in mind that life itself, and evolution in particular, shows us that there aren't any perfect solutions. Just working solutions. Regards Wotnow (talk) 05:57, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

File:Henri Rougier and the 25Hp Turcat-Mery before the inaugural Monte Carlo rally.gif

Can you provide some more information, to help establish if this image can be moved to commons? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:50, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

not a typo

about [3]]: Please see [4] which is a better url for that ref. All the discussion in the article is about the southern Pacific south west of South America and the Norther Atlantic off Canada. Specifically, from the conclusion, " We conclude that, by applying freshwater perturbations (of magnitude similar to mwp-1A) to the regions of AAIW formation, it is possible to trigger a transition from the “off” to the “on” mode of NADW formation." AAIW is "Antarctic In- termediate Water" and NADW is "North Atlantic Deep Water" Smkolins (talk) 20:57, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

File:1983 Postage stamp of UpperVolta, Freres Robert, La Carolina- 619a.jpg listed for deletion

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Thanks

Thank you for adding to the List of professional cyclists who died during a race. Do you have a reference/source for Dimitri De Fauw's death? If so, please add that source to the article, it would be a great help.

Shearonink (talk) 19:04, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Leonard Hurst

— Rlevse • Talk • 00:04, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

File source problem with File:Adolphe Clément-Bayard circa 1907.jpg

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DYK for Pyréolophore

— Rlevse • Talk • 18:02, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Base Cation Saturation Ratio

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DYK for Base Cation Saturation Ratio

Materialscientist (talk) 18:02, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for William Albrecht

Materialscientist (talk) 18:02, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

L'esprit de l'escalier

Merci! I couldn't figure out what I'd done with the sacrées refs. Awien (talk) 17:04, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

River Chalke

I think I should have been more sceptical about Ralph Whitlock's comments in Wiltshire folklore and legends on the headwaters of the river on Winklebury Hill. You suggested he should have said the Ebble, but the reference clearly can't be added to the River Ebble article, as there's no reference there to the Ebble. Moonraker2 (talk) 04:32, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Marjorie Pickthall

Thanks for working on the Marjorie Pickthall article and finding those "Selected Poems" edited by Lorne Pierce (& will also be keeping an eye out for Lorne Pierce's Marjorie Pickthall: A Book of Remembrance [Toronto: Ryerson Press, 1925])

Hope you continue to expand on this wikipedia article; I will be following your work. By the way, I added another wonderful resource to the page, from Representative Poetry Online (RPO), thru the University of Toronto Libraries.

Now for the surprise: I just read MP's poetry for the first time two or three days ago! I am impressed and moved by her life and work, and eager to hear more of the story of her life. What a fortunate discovery! Quite by accident, as I was making a correction at the 1922 in poetry article and, well, somehow found myself curious and discovered some of her work at RPO. Did you see this over there "Notes on Life and Works"? That clarifies some things you asked about on the Talk page regarding Pickthall's bio and the discrepancies at the wikipedia article.

If you don't mind my asking, how is it that you are reading Pickthall? At any rate, and again, thanks. Christian Roess (talk) 21:51, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner with the info about Ms Pickthall; it's been a busy few months. Looks like you got the questions you had answered. The page looks great! I'm excited that she's getting some of the exposure she deserves as a writer.Whight owl (talk) 01:52, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for John Doyle (British Army officer)

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:03, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Lycée Pierre Corneille (Rouen)

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:04, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Pontyclun railway station

Hi, re this edit; I've changed your ref name from "harvn" to Butt188 because the author is Butt, and the page is 188. The {{harvnb}} template is just a general-purpose template used for constructing WP:CITESHORT shortened references (author(s), year, page), so it's misleading to name the ref "harvn". MacDermot says nothing about either there being two stations nor that these were merged, so I've removed the ref. I've also clarified the sentence, see here. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:08, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Léon Lemartin

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DYK for François Mingaud

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:04, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Mingaud

Hey Chienlit. I didn't know you had created the article until I got the DYK notification. The situation is a bit of a muddle but no one's fault. You weren't aware of the existing content, and I sat on my ass for a long time. I was thinking I would build it to near FA level before posting. Unfortunately, the copyright attribution and clarity that you were merging content was far short of what is needed for copyright compliance (I don't mean that as a criticism, you attempted to give credit and I appreciate it!) but it requires linking to where the content comes from for each edut, and it must be made clear you are merging content for each edit, and the page it is being merged from and linked to would have to remain forever in the user talk space so its edit history could be accessed. So given that muddle, I performed a history merge. The older content is more extensive and I will integrate the edits together soon (well relatively soon). Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:08, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Inflation calculator

Mervyn ..."...an "inflation calculator" - ... http://projects.exeter.ac.uk/RDavies/arian/current/howmuch.html

Hook at DYK

Hi Chienlit. I believe I have fixed the grammatical error which you pointed out in my hook at DYK. Could you review, and if satisfied, re-tick the entry? Or at least suggest an alt. Template talk:Did you know#Pacific Salmon Commission Thanks, The Interior (Talk) 15:38, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Four ticks! I win! (thanks) The Interior (Talk) 15:59, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

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Conversion of old monetary values to modern equivalents

Hi Maedin,

I have a question that I don't even know the right words to use to ask of Wiki or even Google? So I wonder if you or any of your myriad followers know the best way to appreciate/convert old monetary values. Is there a template(s), a table(s), a page(s) that I have never found?

• How much would 1,000 dollars from 1900 be worth today? .... in dollars? ...in pounds sterling?
• How much would 1,000 French Francs from 1900 be worth today? .... in dollars? ...in Euros? ...in a working man's wages? ...in loaves of bread?

As you doubtless know I recently wrote that Leon Lemartin was paid '30 francs per flight' but I have no real grasp on whether this was a pittance or a gold mine.

Many thanks if you can help? Chienlit (talk) 13:49, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi, so far Mervyn has kindly suggested "...an "inflation calculator" - ... http://projects.exeter.ac.uk/RDavies/arian/current/howmuch.html ..." which is both interesting and helpful, but not Wiki. I remain hopeful. Regards Chienlit (talk) 21:23, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

A few searches got me in the right direction, but no WP content. Obviously, as stated here: [5], measuring what currency is worth is not very straightforward, as it's more than a value that needs to be considered. However, from what I can gather, 1000 US dollars in 1900 would be worth about $175,000 now, and £13200.00 to £27100.00. All of these calculations depend on which "indicator" is used, which changes the results quite a lot. As for the francs, this website says that in 1910, 1 franc had the value of ~3.7 euros (2007). I didn't quickly find anything relating the old value of francs to current worth though. I thought maybe a good way to compare it would be to find out what other professions earned in francs in the same period, but didn't get much luck there, either. Best I found was this document: http://www.persee.fr/web/revues/home/prescript/article/hism_0982-1783_1995_num_10_3_1562 (in French) which, if you look at page 407, says an iron worker would earn about 300 francs per year in 1865. Sorry, can't help much more than that, Maedin\^talk 18:54, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

• Hi, thanks so far, aaargh. You did really well to find those links in French - I'm impressed. Merci.

Mervyn's link to Exeter University lead me on to http://www.histoire-genealogie.com/spip.php?article398 which says that 1 franc in 1910 is worth 2.6 Euros in 2006. Big difference from your 3.7 in 2007. I have already used 2.6 in the Leo Lem article, but at least I caveated it with 'circa'.

Mervyn's link also lead me on to http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/currency/results2.asp#mid which is great fun because the answer is in moneys, man days, sheeps, wheats, virgins and donuts depending on which year you choose. Ok - so I made up donuts but it is great fun ... oh and I made up virgins but it really is fun. :)

Don't lose any sleep doing more research, let's wait until some insomniac creates a {.{template|year|currency|year|currency|barter Y/N}.} Many thanks. Chienlit (talk) 20:58, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

See James Cudworth (engineer)#Coal-burning firebox for several examples of an inflation calculation function in use. If you don't want to read them in context, here's an edited highlight:

some locomotives ordered in July 1860 were costed at £150 extra (equivalent to £14,989 in 2021)

The two templates here are {{inflation}}, which does the actual calculation, and {{inflation-fn}}, which generates the reference. Unfortunately they only handle inflation in the same currency. I don't know whether it handles large-scale revaluations (like the French franc in 1960), but it certainly works in GB pounds and US bucks. For French francs to euros, you might be able to do it as a two-stage calculation, incorporating the official conversion of 1 EUR=6.55957 FRF. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:57, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

• Hi Redrose64, many thanks, I will study and make use of these links. Your generosity is much appreciated. Chienlit (talk) 12:58, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Albert Clément

Just noticed this link was blue. Nice work on the article! Apterygial 09:07, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Prickly Pear Cays

Thanks for the review. I have added a lovely img of the cays subsequent to your review. Please verify and clear the img also. Thanks.--Nvvchar. 11:12, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Léon Lemartin

Materialscientist (talk) 12:02, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Khalistoo (talk) 22:52, 22 February 2011 (UTC) As a great grandson of Theodor, i just wanted to thanks all the one who helped to enrich this page.sorry if the place is not appropriate. Thanks again

Uses of term - Grand Prix

Grand Prix de Paris ... 1863

p.s. what were the cycling and flying events?

From the 1906 French Grand Prix article: Although it was not the first motor race to be called a 'Grand Prix'—a smaller race in Pau, the Pau Grand Prix, had been held in 1901—the 1906 race outside Le Mans was the first genuinely international race to carry the label. Until the First World War, it was the only annual race to be called a Grand Prix (often, the Grand Prix) and is now commonly known as "the first Grand Prix." Apterygial 23:29, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Cycling: e.g. Paris, 18951896, or Roubaix 1899. For flying, it was the 1901 Grand prix for the first flying machine to circle around the Eiffel Tower, basically: [6]. But also e.g. a 1902 Grand Prix for pigeon shooting(!)[7], and let's not forget the non-sporting "Grand Prix" like the Grand Prix de Rome or the Grand Prix at the world Fairs. Fram (talk) 08:56, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Thomas Gascoyne (cyclist)‎

I enjoyed your article and if no-one gets there first I will review it properly for DYK tomorrow. I see that he was also known as "Jeb Gascoyne" - you may find this article of interest. Cheers. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 20:07, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Can you explain why the Otago Witness was writing about him in 1907. Did he ever race in New Zealand? -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 08:59, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Nope. I can't explain why the Otago Witness was such an authoritative journal. Why is Amateur such an amazing source for English brick maker Len Hurst? Maybe they had nothing better to do in Otago than read every European publication and distil stuff (words) to sustain contact with 'the old country'. I have no idea (yet) if he raced in NZ. regards. Chienlit (talk) 09:35, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Reliability

"The Golden Era of Grand Prix Racing" is certainly a useful site, but I've always struggled to make a case for its reliability. It's probably alright for DYK or even GA, but as intend to take 1906 French GP to FAC I have to argue the criteria under stricter rules. Do you know if that site fulfils the criteria? Thanks, Apterygial 23:51, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

No, I don't know. But the work of Snellman, Etzrod, Nye, (and 8W) has always seemed exemplary from my viewpoint. Chienlit (talk) 23:56, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Likewise. Although I often use 8W, Etzrod's contributions are always under the "Reader's Why" section, which I don't think would be seen as reliable. It would be a lot easier if Nye's forward was a little more glowing of the site's reliability. Apterygial 00:04, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, but 99.5% in 2002 must have improved/inflated to 101% by 2011. Chienlit (talk) 00:10, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Haha. But do you mind if, in the interests of keeping the article watertight, I revert your addition? I think it could well be true (but then, Etzrodt also says there was a Circuit du Sud-Ouest in 1900) but seeing as none of my other sources even question that it was called a Grand Prix, it's probably unprovable. Great work, BTW, on Albert Clément; if you like writing those articles there is a whole stack of redlinks here. ;) Apterygial 00:32, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

I have reverted and rewritten Pau as 'watertight' referenced footnotes. This is wiki - feel free to edit mercilessly. Chienlit (talk) 16:06, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

The best reading and reporting from original sources (La France Automobile, February 1900 onwards) that I have found is the discussion between Dick and Etzrod at the Nostalgia Forum. [8] I will mercilessly ameliorate my own text to embrace their 'facts'. Chienlit (talk) 16:23, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

I've reverted your edits. The issue is not whether the article has footnotes but whether those footnotes cite reliable sources. The featured article criteria demands "high-quality reliable sources". "The Golden Era of Grand Prix Racing" does not fall into that category; it is not backed by an organisation with a public claim for reliability, nor do they have anything on the website that "that gives their rules for submissions that indicate fact-checking and editorial oversight." All of the reliable sources I have used for the article refer to the Pau Grand Prix as a Grand Prix (even Snellman's 8W article), and I think it's probably better to stick with that viewpoint here. I'm grateful for your contribution, but the information is probably better in the Pau Grand Prix article. Apterygial 23:36, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Thomas Gascoyne (cyclist)

The DYK project (nominate) 12:02, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Albert Clément

The DYK project (nominate) 06:09, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Clément-Bayard

The DYK project (nominate) 06:10, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK problem: Ernie Mills & Bill Paul

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Maxberg specimen

Yeah, I was pretty stunned, too, about the speed! Don't know what happened there! Calistemon (talk) 03:45, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Ernest Mills

Materialscientist (talk) 10:05, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Bill Paul (cyclist)

Materialscientist (talk) 10:05, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Léon Théry

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:22, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Sid Ferris

I would just like to compliment you on your nice little article on the above. As the cigarette card image is now PD, I have put it onto Commons. I also note that the UK National Archives has 9 pages of autobiographical notes by Sid Ferris, written on headed notepaper of the Vegetarian Cycling & Athletic Club donated to it by Raleigh. I don't know if it is possible for you or someone else in the UK to go and access this (Archives record number:DD/RN/4/86/2/2-10) --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 06:25, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

• Research indicates that none of the Nottinghamshire archive documents are available online. So a 'Trip to Jerusalem' would be required. Regards. Chienlit (talk) 17:07, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Mills and Paul

duplicated from Ohconfucius....

• Hi, Many thanks for transforming Sid Ferris. Does the same copyright argument apply to the cigarette card Players cigarette card of Mills and Paul on Tandem - "Cycling" - John Player & Sons - Track Tandem Position - #45 in Series of 50 - (1939). It would transform both articles of the tandem pair - Ernest Mills and Bill Paul (cyclist)? Regards Chienlit (talk) 09:06, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

• I believe that all the cards of the series are now free of UK copyright. The applicable rule is that "A photograph, which was made available to the public (e.g. by publication or display at an exhibition) before 1 January 1941" in Sid's case, and "An artistic work other than a photograph (e.g. a painting), which was made available to the public (e.g. by publication or display at an exhibition) before 1 January 1941" in the case of your tandem card (see {{PD-UK-unknown}} template). I would do the uploading if I knew the cyclists or the appropriate cards, but I do not. I will leave that pleasure to you. You may copy the text visible in edit mode when you are uploading at Commons, changing only part of the description. Regards, --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 09:13, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

• I would also mention that the images for that user seem to be somehow protected. This can be circumvented by downloading the entire web page to your computer, and then selectively uploading the image file from the downloaded folder. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 09:16, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

• Many thanks. :) Chienlit (talk) 09:43, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Golden Book of Cycling

I was following along after CorenSearchBot earlier today and came across Cyril Heppleston and noticed the extensive quote. While it's good that you have appropriately referenced the quoted citation, but I have to ask if there is any evidence that the text is in the public domain or that the copyright holders have released it under a free license. If not, I'm afraid that such extensive quotations seem to be in violation of WP:NFC which requires that quotations be brief and "used to illustrate a point, establish context, or attribute a point of view or idea." Do you happen to have any information about the copyright status of the Golden Book pages? VernoWhitney (talk) 17:56, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Sid Ferris

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:22, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Willie Hume

Materialscientist (talk) 08:03, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Sir Harold Bowden, 2nd Baronet

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 08:03, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Photo reverting

See Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Reverting_on_Yellow-crowned_Bishop_photo and User talk:Snowmanradio. The image used for the DYK lead is temporarily copied from Commons so the DYK admins can protect it while it's on the main page. You and Snowmandradio have, hopefully unknowingly, subverted that. The smaller pic shows the bird centered and in more detail. The larger one is not better.BarkingMoon (talk) 21:48, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Ursus C45

You corrected "incandescent lamp solder" into incandescent lamp. The correct translation is (british) blow lamp or (american) blow torch, the ones used for soldering. These lamps ran on gasoline or kerosene and had to be pumped up first! Then they would give a big hot blue flame, which was also used for e.g. soldering of piping by plummers and for soldering rain gutters and sheet metal roofs. Obviously this text was translated using a dictionary. In German the verbal translation would be "soldering-lamp". (Loet-Lampe) So this was not complete nonsense. I have corrected that. Nice old memories from the early 50s. 70.137.129.130 (talk) 08:24, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Accord

Salut, Chienlit.

I guess I'm stalking your user page (in that I never took it off my watchlist). Anyway, I noticed that you referred to your dog in the past tense. If that means what I think it means, I'm sorry. Losing a pet is so sad.

But I have a grammar niggle too: en accord = en s'entendant bien; d'accord = avoir la même opinion; one or the other, not both.

Bonne journée!

Awien (talk) 11:23, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Um...are you sure that's the one you mean? I thought you must mean "My mother agrees": Ma mère est d'accord.

Bonne nuit,

Awien (talk) 02:02, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Tee hee! Awien (talk) 15:12, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

The Championships, Wimbledon

Reverting an entire gallery in The Championships, Wimbledon appears to be extreme. Agreed that the images may not be of the highest quality but at least some images are of encyclopaedic value, for example, the Royal Box and the longest match record plate would provide greater context to article text about the Royal family and the match statistics. As such it may have been better if some of these were moved elsewhere in the article rather the complete gallery simply being reverted. Wimbledon neither has GA/FA status so imho a more lenient policy is warranted. Do you have an objection to re-introducing some of those images in a more specific context than a gallery? AshLin (talk) 04:07, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

No objection at all. I should have added that to the original edit comment. Regards Chienlit (talk) 07:09, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. AshLin (talk) 09:25, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Daimler Motor Company

Hi Chienlit, just thought I'd ask about a couple of things.

• There is an area below "People" surrounded by a dotted line containing (XJ6 Series I). What's that for?
• We now have multiple mentions of Daimler Sovereign within a couple of lines.

Daimler Sovereign 4.2 (XJ6 Series I) (Why is this inserted? See the bolded line below)

Subsequent vehicles were badge-engineered Jaguars, but given a more luxurious and upmarket finish.

Daimler Sovereign, Daimler Double-Six

For example the Daimler Double-Six was a Jaguar XJ-12, the Daimler badge and fluted top to its grille and boot handle being the only outward differences from the Jaguar, with more luxurious interior fittings and extra standard equipment marking it out on the inside. Significant Daimler models for that period include:

• 1968–1992 Daimler DS420 Limousine, successor to the DR450, an extended Jaguar Mark X
• 1969–1983 Daimler Sovereign a badge-engineered Jaguar XJ6

What you have just added seems superfluous. Writing to you because I might have missed something. Eddaido (talk) 03:00, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I have removed the duplication and organised the sections. The problem was that the extra section caused a second heading to appear in the middle of a conversational paragraph. Feel free to further improve it. :) Chienlit (talk) 09:16, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

And what are your plans now for all those dotted lines on the same page just above "Foundation of the Coventry business 1896"? Eddaido (talk) 22:00, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

:-( typo Chienlit (talk) 22:16, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Hiallt for deletion

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DYK for Hiallt

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Hi there, there is a missing ref (BBC) in this article. Perhaps you might know what it is? I've replaced it with the 'fact' template as it was messing up the article's appearance. Thanks, Ericoides (talk) 15:04, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for John Mennie

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Vandale!

Bonjour, J'ai contribué sur le Wiki Anglais et vous avez annulé mes modifications sur au moins deux articles. Sur "Licinio Refice", j'avais ajouté le lien menant à l'article français, vous l'avez enlevé. Sur "Vol 091 Mandala Airlines", j'avais remplacé dans l'article le passage "39 victimes au sol" par "49 victimes au sol" car c'est le chiffre du rapport officiel cité en source dans ce même article, et c'est le chiffre (49) cité en haut de l'article pour les victimes au sol. Il faut que celui-ci soit cohérent! Je viens donc vous accuser de vandalisme. Cordialement.--81.64.145.249 (talk) 14:39, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Je viens en plus de découvrir que vous avez enlevé mes modifications sur "Italo Montemezzi". J'avais enlevé l'opéra San Pantaleone de la liste de ses oeuvres, car aucune source n'était proposée et aucune source n'existe confirmant l'existence de cette oeuvre. Et toc! Sur l'article "Riccardo Zandonai", j'avais remplacé le terme opéra par cantate concernant une de ses oeuvres de jeunesse. C'est ce que dit aussi Konrad Dryden dont je possède le livre sur Zandonai ET CE MEME LIVRE EST CITE EN SOURCE. Veuillez justifiez vos actes inqualifiables. Merci. Quant à ma modification sur "List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft", elle suivait l'ASN Database, qui est la meilleure source en matière de crashs aériens. Et en plus, môsieur, c'est que qu'affirme l'article correspondant: 37 survivants et non 38 comme vous l'avez remis!

Pavel Stolbov est bien mort le 15 juin dernier! : http://www.gazeta.ru/sport/2011/06/kz_3663073.shtml Умер Павел Столбов--81.64.145.249 (talk) 14:47, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

J'avoue que seule ma modification sur "Marine le Pen" pouvait choquer une encyclopédie (et encore).--81.64.145.249 (talk) 14:53, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

The Boy Who Cried Wolf - logging onto en.wiki to call Marine Le Pen an ugly bitch destroys all credibility. Chienlit (talk) 15:53, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Reconnaissez au moins vos erreurs. Et rectifiez. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.64.145.249 (talk) 17:15, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Try pressing 'undo' (défaire). Chienlit (talk) 09:50, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Royal Crescent, Brighton

Hello. In reference to this diff, I have represented the quoted sources as accurately as I can; I have them in my possession if you would like the exact quotes from the text. I am uncomfortable with the statements in your edit summary in respect of "supposedly offline sourced" and "sound more like vandalism", and do not appreciate the suggestion. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 08:38, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

(Follow-up) I have just seen your valid points at Talk:Coade stone. The statue has always been reported/recorded as Coade stone, but if as you say there is often misidentification, then perhaps all sources are wrong. The rewording in the article is fine. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 09:02, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Breaking the fingers and arm off an unloved statue 'sounds like 18th century vandalism' - Oops, summary was too abbreviated. I am uncomfortable when wiki uses sources that are simply, patently, wrong - Coade stone is ceramic stoneware, not 'plaster-like'. Perhaps such quotes/phrases should be in quotes, or better still not used, as it did not improve the article. I have absolutely no reason to doubt the rest of the story, that's why I didn't touch it. I crawled Google for info about badly mixed/fired Coade stone at the Royal Crescent, or even a statement about Coade stone at the crescent, - nothing. Personally I have some doubts that it was Coade (there were many imitators and it was virtually impossible to tell when in place) but cannot write such without reliable sources. Regards Chienlit (talk) 09:36, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

I was alerted to your Follow up by an edit conflict as I laboriously replied. I know of Coade only what read on wiki, but in 1802 they were in their prime, and continued Royal Warrant work for 20 years until deaths and Royal debtors brought an end. Regards. Chienlit (talk) 09:46, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough; I'll accept that the sources have got it wrong, and I used them (in good faith) without reading up on Coade stone (had I known the statements about its properties were patently wrong, I assure you I would not have used them). Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 13:47, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

OK. Fair enough too. It was the end of a long wet windy Day of the Dead in an unheated tumbledown shack in the middle of Portugal, standing in dull light in front of the pc resting on a piece of wood, looking like a fat Dickensian clerk. A waspish edit was light relief, and anyway maybe we are making progress. :) Chienlit (talk) 14:04, 2 November 2011 (UTC) p.s. Today it is just torrential, a day for the undead.

Not Going Out

Hello

Why did you undo my revision to the Not Going Out character list? I added in the actors who played Lee and Lucy as children.

The recurring character Geoffrey Adams has been played by both Timothy West and Geoffrey Whitehead, and both actors are mentioned on the page, despite the latter only appearing in one episode. Thomas Gater and Ruby Stokes may not be the main actors to play Lee and Lucy respectively, but they have played them nonetheless, and that section of the page is to credit characters, not the actors who play them.

In other TV shows, characters who have their own pages generally reference who played them in flashback, so I think that the actors who have played Lee and Lucy as children should be credited.

Thank you

94.171.244.104 (talk) 19:05, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Oops, my mistake. Reverted. Chienlit (talk) 20:23, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! 94.171.244.104 (talk) 21:23, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Pat Hawkins

I've commented on the talk page for Pat Hawkins after checking my collection of sport books. There was only the reference that I could find. (My cycling collection is rather small. My general Australian sport collection is pretty decent.) The newspaper references on Trove look reasonably notable... but as I understand Australia, there can be a bit of a disconnect between certain states, especially during that time. She might not have made as much news in the eastern states, which is why she isn't well known or cited. I might be able to look for sources at the National Sport Information Centre, but there collection doesn't go back that far. :( --LauraHale (talk) 21:05, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

If you need help taking this to DYK, let me know and I can either nominate for you, or work to get it a little bit longer. --LauraHale (talk) 22:54, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Whoops on the typo.  :( Blah. Trove has a way to get the citations automatically generated. I like it. It makes citing those things easier. I looked and looked through the record books and I haven't seen any mention of it. AMPOL by Jack Pollard mentions some strange Australian cycling events from that era but not her. I'm just not seeing it. :( This indicates the record for a guy in a year was longer. "PAT HAWKINS' AMAZING WEEK'S RIDE". Sunday Times (Perth, WA : 1902 - 1954). Perth, WA: National Library of Australia. 17 March 1940. p. 16. Retrieved 19 February 2012. has a picture of her that should be public domain that could be added to the page. --LauraHale (talk) 09:26, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Can't say I'm surprised. Cheating happens in sport. :( I've got at least one whole book dedicated to it. If you search through this catalogue and find something you may find useful, let me know as I go there regularly. --LauraHale (talk) 09:56, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Pat Hawkins

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many thanks

for the table on Just a Minute here, that looks much better. Cheers, Dean B (talk) 22:26, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

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Nomination of Hiallt for deletion

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Paris-Rouen

Hi Chienlit, just connected up with your msg - have been essentially off WP for a couple of months. Will try to have a look, maybe tomorrow. And yes, I'm fine thanks. Awien (talk) 02:53, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

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Col de la République

I've now reviewed the DYK nomination and it needs some more refs. I'll keep checking back there. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:56, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Col de la République

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DYK for Jeanne Geneviève Labrosse

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Col du Ballon d'Alsace

Hi - I have now "completed" the article on the Col du Ballon d'Alsace. I would like to put this up for a DyK, but am at a loss as to what hook to use. Can you have a look and, if so minded, nominate it for me. Thanks. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 09:00, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Pope-Tribune motorcar

Hi Chienlit! As you've no doubt noticed, I've been going through your List of vehicles at the National Motor Museum, Beaulieu, attempting to put in wikilinks where I can, to help the interested reader find out more about the vehicles. I've just got as far as Pope-Tribune, and have put in a link to the biography of Pope, to the line "Between the years 1903 and 1915, the company operated a number of automobile companies including Pope-Hartford (1903-1914), Pope-Robinson, Pope-Toledo (1903-1909), Pope-Tribune (1904-1907) and Pope-Waverly". Robinson, Toledo and Waverly have their own pages, but Hartford and Tribune are redlinks. At a guess (but correct me if I am wrong), you might be within easy access of taking a photograph of the Pope-Tribune and/or supplying a bit of information (from the descriptive plaque in front of the exhibit in the museum) that we could use to start a page for that car (either you could create it, or you could pass the job over to me if you prefer). What do you think? TheAMmollusc (talk) 11:41, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Congratulations on your linking work so far - it is doing what I originally hoped and making the list a worthwhile directory for interested readers / museum visitors. Sorry, I don't live anywhere near the museum so no chance of pics or sharing their information plaques. I have no information sources other than Google, so I doubt that I can materially help you with the article. (I tend to write articles based on nothing other than whim, or something that catches my attention, often a non-sequitur or a crie de coeur or a nonsensical claim. To wit I was only at the museum list because of a Rene Lalique... car ornaments... Spirit of Ecstacy... Eleanor Thornton... Salacious illicit sex... John Walter Edward Douglas-Scott-Montagu... Edward Douglas-Scott-Montagu, 3rd Baron Montagu of Beaulieu... more sex scandal... leading inevitably to a drop down list of old bangers :) ) Regards. Good luck. Chienlit (talk) 12:51, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

I see. OK. You might be interested in this, that I've just found British-Nation-Motor-Museum. Meanwhile, looking up at your other entries on this page, I'll not ask you about Vibraye... that would only start another thread :-) TheAMmollusc (talk) 13:44, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

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Aster

Nice article! With a bit more work you have a fair chance of a GA-class article. The main shortfall I can see is a slight lack of references. Aim for a minimum of one reference per paragraph. Good luck! Mjroots (talk) 21:45, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for getting this on the front page - it's a shame the reference the Col de la Republique was chopped off the hook. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 20:37, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination for Thompson TB

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Now promoted to the queue. Good work! --Amble (talk) 06:29, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Map link on List of places in Somerset

Hi, I noticed you had added (and then revised) a map link at the top of List of places in Somerset however when I click on it it shows the USA - is there a problem with the syntax?— Rod ^talk 10:36, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Yep - worth waiting for - the two outliers on the map are rivers which run through Somerset, but the coords given are outside the county.— Rod ^talk 17:02, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

What do you mean by "turn on wikiplaces"?— Rod ^talk 17:21, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for T.B. (Thompson Brothers)

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List of 2012 Olympics - Gold Post-boxes in UK

Good idea creating the above article. I've added some prose to it and suggest we nominate it at DYK, but I don't think the title is correct. Firstly I don't see why there is a dash/hyphen between Olympic and gold, secondly in this case I don't think post boxes needs to be be hyphenated or capitalised and surely it should be "the UK". Can I suggest moving the list to "List of 2012 Olympics gold post boxes in the UK"? Thanks - Basement12 (T.C) 14:20, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for 2012 Olympics gold post boxes in the United Kingdom

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Gobron-Brillie

Hi. I've just created a page for Gobron-Brillie. I'm afraid the only reference that I was able to make is to a rather glossy, boy's-own, sort of pictorial history... and, this was, indeed, the reference that triggered me into writing the article. I'm afraid I'm going to have to rely on other experts to offer any other references (I paraphrased and translated most of material from the French WP site, and what I found on the internet at those three external links that I list, so none of this can be used as references). I don't know if you would be able to help at all. Thanks in advance, if you can. In any case, I'll see if I can contact other editors, too. TheAMmollusc (talk) 12:36, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your remarks, and encouragement on my talk page! Thanks, too, for having started to work on the page. It didn't occur to me at the time, but I had accidentally created the page with the final é missing its accent. In fact, I had created the page by clicking on the redlink on the Louis Rigolly page... and this had no accent. I tried to move the article this morning, but couldn't ... because the page with the accent already exists :-) It is the page that you created as a redirect page. Should we reverse these? Should we make the main page the one with the accent, and the redirect page the one without? I will leave it up to you to decide (and to do, if you decide in that direction). Thanks once again. Cheers, TheAMmollusc (talk) 08:31, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Ah... we've been overtaken by Andy Dingley!! TheAMmollusc (talk) 10:17, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Lemaître

Suicide - answered you on my talk page. Awien (talk) 18:14, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

name= parameter on coordinates

Hi Chienlit. Thanks and congratulations for your work on 2012 Olympics gold post boxes in the United Kingdom. As far as I have been able to establish it is not possible to put wiki-links (square brackets) in the name= parameter on coordinates. It prints them as text in the document (when they should be hidden) and prints them as brackets in the key of the Google (or whatever) map. In case you didn't know, it is possible to see an up to date version of the map with (usually) the latest changes by jumping to the map and then changing the last parameter in the search box (below the black bar) (usecache=1) to be usecache=0 and clicking the search magnifying glass. Oosoom ^Talk 12:03, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

I came across the idea on the GeoGroup template (last topic) before it was archived. Best wishes. Oosoom ^Talk 16:06, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Gold post boxes

I think the reason it's taking so long to render is all those Geohack templates. Perhaps we need to remove them all and have a single link to a kml file or something? The Rambling Man (talk) 16:47, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

I think it may be a tad slow but as we are nearly at the end of editing it is still tolerable. Starting a gallery would lead to a whole new level of magnitude of rendering as demonstrated by the vast (and growing) number of images at commons, and everybody's devotion to their favourite athlete or locale. If by Geohack you mean GeoGroup, then I use the (Oosoom's) first two regularly, but I never bother with the third ( See also ). So I won't revert if you or Oooosooom remove it. Regards Chienlit (talk) 17:04, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

I have just tested without the GeoGroup stuff - seems to make no difference. So I used my brain and thought about it, To wit - all the rendering, resolving, linking and referencing is done by Google Wiki (Oops :), and they are known to have quite powerful computers, so a few shiny Post Boxes are quite unlikely to impact their performance. Ergo the page could have a gallery although I don't think it should. Chienlit (talk) 17:13, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Well there's nothing much else on that page that I'm used to seeing that would cause such a slow load time.... The Rambling Man (talk) 17:23, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

My download time was slow, but I had just come online and sat at a single core pc forgetting that it is Saturday afternoon. In this rural area Saturday afternoon/evening is always very bad, don't know why. Regards. Chienlit (talk) 17:30, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm not in that situation and load time was unacceptably slow. We need to get to the bottom of it. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:42, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, I'm out my depth technically (I have been relying on Oosoom). But this morning the page is loading in just over 1 second on my laptop. That seems like lightning compared with yesterday afternoon (and most other times). Regards Chienlit (talk) 06:52, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

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Ha ha. You beat me by two hours! --Senra (talk) 21:33, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Let me know if you want to see the two papers I retrieved via the resource exchange for your William Jennens article --Senra (talk) 11:27, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

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Common Law World Review vol 32 issues 3 & 4

1. Polden, Patrick. "Stranger than Fiction? The Jennens Inheritance in Fact and Fiction Part One:he Jennens Fortune in the Courts". Common Law World Review. 32 (3). Vathek Publishing: 211–(247?). Retrieved 5 December 2012.
2. Polden, Patrick. "Stranger than Fiction? The Jennens Inheritance in Fact and Fiction Part Two: The Business of Fortune Hunting". Common Law World Review. 32 (4). Vathek Publishing: 338–367. doi:10.1350/clwr.32.4.338.19427. Retrieved 5 December 2012.

Wow. Thanks. I will check them out later/tomorrow. (I am way out of my depth at the moment.) Chienlit (talk) 17:15, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

p.s. It's you article too. Talk:William Jennens

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Oo er! My first collaborative DYK. Thank you --Senra (talk) 14:53, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

I considered placing this discussion of the quality of sources used in William Jennens onto the talk page. I decided to let you know my thoughts first. What do you think? --Senra (talk) 14:19, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

• Hi Senra, this seems fine to me, please go ahead. I only ever considered it a first draft, and my personal reasons for putting pages on DYK is to bring in better informed editors. Many thanks. Chienlit (talk) 14:36, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

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Oops, forgot about that option, the authorlink param is the better way to go (but beware of spaces).  Stepho  talk  02:49, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Good point about the spaces. Also, we don't need the full stop after the "N" in the "first" parameter (the cite template puts one in), so the correct parameters are:

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Hi Stepho, Hi DH, Many Thanks. Good idea. Chienlit (talk) 07:48, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

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I replied at DYK. Another source of information for the article is at here. Also, I posted a request here about his death date. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 13:11, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

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Now that you have his death year and location, you might be able to use those to search French sources to find his day and month of death. I tried running them through Google books, but nothing came up. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 12:17, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

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Whilst looking through DYK I noticed this comment. Because your nomination contained two articles in the hook (Émile Mayade and city-to-city motor race) and you only reviewed one article (Ten Hamadi), I suspect you need to review another article to comply with quid pro quo --Senra (talk) 15:05, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

• OK - done. Line of succession to the Liechtensteiner throne Chienlit (talk) 19:33, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

• Stick? He he. Thank you anyway. Much appreciated --Senra (talk) 20:41, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Vauxhall again

Hi. What's your schedule for expanding the articles about the pre 1930 Vauxhalls? Eddaido (talk) 08:57, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

I don't have one. Chienlit (talk) 13:27, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Oh well, I'll wait until you are well under way adding all your new found info to the half-dozen articles. Regards, Eddaido (talk) 18:51, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

I used to be a gnome with no real agenda, now I'm a gnome with a £6 encyclopedia and still no agenda or task list. :) Chienlit (talk) 19:20, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

1896 Paris–Marseille–Paris rename

I notice you created the article 1896 Paris–Marseille–Paris at the end of January. I met this article by accident a few moments ago and when I read the title I wondered, what on earth is this about? All that's to say that I dont think that the title of the article is properly indicative of it's subject matter. Do you have any objection to moving this article to 1896 Paris–Marseille–Paris trail? Let me know what you think or just go ahead and move it yourself if you agree with the name change. EagerToddler39 (talk) 22:50, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

I think the article name is fine. In any case, trail is not the correct term for European events of this type. The sources support the word race --Senra (talk) 23:25, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

I also think that the name is best left untouched. It is possible to find confused anglophone sources for most of the Belle Epoque events, describing them as trails, trials, epreuves, tests, courses, races, rallyes, rallys, concours, contests, and courses. This was the first event where its French title 'La Course Paris–Marseille–Paris' was accurate, but unfortunately adding another level of confusion (course = race, not course=route). Thus I followed the naming convention for early motoring events and used the year and its route, this avoids all confusion and dovetails with the arrival of 1906 French Grand Prix etc. If we used 'race' in the title it would not fit with the earlier events such as 1891 Paris-Brest-Paris, 1894 Paris-Rouen, and 1895 Paris-Bordeaux- Paris because they were not what we intuitively understand as races. Regards Chienlit (talk) 21:05, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

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Vauxhall again again

I have been straining to find old Vauxhall photos - with almost no success. But I have just found this which I cannot name properly for you because I cannot translate Van into Frnech if you see what I mean, and thought of you, without a gnome to go to, at once or do I have that wrong? Have a nice day, Eddaido (talk) 10:00, 25 February 2013 (UTC) The silence here is so heavy I want to say there was no intent to give offence. You have to admit someone has made a magnificent dog's breakfast from a simple Vauxhall dog van. Best regards, Eddaido (talk) 22:04, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

1909 B-type 16 h.p. mystery

Lol. Sorry, I was confused, gave it some thought then got distracted. Sorry. I have been preoccupied with domestic/work issues and deadlines, and two DYKs being pushed for approval because of my loose referencing. I tried to decode your message and wondered if 1891 was a year with a switched/mistaken image. In England the Astramax van is regarded as the fastest vehicle on the road, bar none - speed is all about more gas, less brakes, in someone else's vehicle. Nobody tangles with an Astramax, well not willingly. Regards. Chienlit (talk) 22:23, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I didn't know that. Eddaido (talk) 22:27, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

What does Georgano have about this vehicle which has I think been part of Vauxhall Heritage Luton for a long time? Eddaido (talk) 01:03, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

My very old copy (1975) only says what I transcribed on the Talk:Vauxhall B-Type page a few weeks back.

while the B-type, a 6 cylinder formal carriage with its cylinders cast in threes, was made in small numbers from 1910 onwards. A Linley pre-selective gearbox was listed as an option in 1911, ....

So either this image is a photoshop fake, or the vauxhall museum and VCC have mislabelled it, or Georgano was a bit wrong re 1910.  :) Chienlit (talk) 00:11, 4 March 2013 (UTC) p.s. I would be proud to own a fabulous fake like that, even with its Beetle engine and plastic body and forged VCC plaque.

Here is an old photo (scroll down for the enlargement) wearing a 4-passenger body (and with passengers sitting fashionably low) whereas the red car seems to have an old-fashioned (for 1909) way up in the air seat. Dodgy I think.

Hadn't realised VCC plaques were forged, thought they were moulded from something refined and essentially rustfree. I'm waiting on a copy of the 1959 road test of this vehicle, it may tell more. I was once told the BBC World Service acquired their reputation for accuracy and moral probity etc by taking say three reports, adding up the number of terrorists each said had been killed and dividing by three. See —unimpeachable precision, easy. Have a nice day (and thanks for the Georgano stuff), Eddaido (talk) 01:34, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi again. Back in February you went through some of the old Vauxhall articles and added this:

See also

• Vauxhall A-Type
• Vauxhall B-Type
• Vauxhall Prince Henry
• Vauxhall Prince Henry (C Type)
• Vauxhall D-Type)

I'm writing to say I'm done with the article on 30-98s and I've just now removed your addition because it seemed to me to be superfluous. Can we talk about that please, what did you have in mind when you put it in? cheers, Eddaido (talk) 08:47, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Sagaciousphi, thank you. I will look at it tomorrow. Chienlit (talk) 23:28, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

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You might be interested to know that some years ago, when I was in Toulouse, I spent a couple of nights in the room Saint- Exupéry always stayed in in the Hôtel du Grand Balcon.

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If it's any consolation, we've never been near the resorts. We rent places out in the boonies, and hike rain forests, cloud forests, parks, and reserves to take pictures of the inhabitants, from hummingbirds and toucans to snakes and tarantulas. Much more fun!

And yes, a sad end indeed for M. Couzinet.

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Yikes! Something happened to the Grand Balcon since I stayed there years ago! Back then it was a two star joint that hadn't changed much since the thirties or forties, an inexpensive place to stay while I apartment hunted (and who knows whether it was even true about Saint Exupéry's room? They all looked much the same then). I promise you I'm no jetsetting inhabitant of luxury hotels! Awien (talk) 12:11, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

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Antiquarian or Antique dealer?

sources say that his mother was an antique dealer than an antiquarian

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included as alternative source. Chienlit (talk) 17:16, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

J'imagine que nous sommes tous les deux de langue maternelle française. Pour moi, la mère de Julie Gayet est bien fr:antiquaire. J'évite cependant d'intervenir sur des entrées ayant plus de 10 000 pages vues par jour ;-)))

Je te laisse donc le soin de préciser ou non que le terme antique dealer est le seul approprié. Cordialement. koiNonne aka ONaNcle (talk) 10:37, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

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Hi Sander, No, sorry. I only had information about William Jennens and was trying to clarify several sources. The references will lead you to everything I know an much much more. Regards Chienlit (talk) 15:19, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

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Imo the best thing to do would be to rename the page List of Clement-Bayard airships, but I'm open to suggestion.TheLongTone (talk) 16:17, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Tone, thanks for your note. I think I agree with your sentiments on List of Clement-Bayard airships. Adolphe Clement Bayard was a massively energetic entrepreneur, and it is difficult at this distance from Belle Epoque France to squeeze his business relationships into simple structures. I updated the pages in May and am pretty sure I read that Astra co-operated on No 1 but after that CB did more (everything?) themselves. I would not be surprised if it was promoted as a new company venture, but it may have been either restructured after No 1 or a joint agreement that fell apart - after all, his own name, Clement-Bayard, was a successful work-around (legal scam) after another joint agreement went sour. Regards Chienlit (talk) 23:23, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

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Sivens Dam

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What image is "more interesting" is a matter of opinion. What is not, is that the current picture, that you re-instated, is completely blurry. That is why I replaced it. I would like to go ahead and do that again, but I do not want to start an edit war about it. So I am open to hear your argument why the current picture is "more interesting"... Zwerg Nase (talk) 16:52, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Hello Zwerg Nase, thanks for the non-war opportunity, I agree that this is a matter of opinion. Over 5,000 people read the page every day including many very experienced editors, half a million already this year. The motion blur is redolent of speed and drama, and Iwao appears to be a skilled photographer. There are 25 pictures on the page, just one that represents drama and speed is surely not overkill. The picture that you used appears to include circa 80 square metres of tarmac, so, in my opinion, needs cropping. But, I won't revert whatever you do. Regards Chienlit (talk) 07:07, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

(Talk page stalker here) Bravo! Medal of Civility and Collegiality (if it existed) to you both. I have just been on the fringes of a brush with the infamous Eric Corbett/Malleus Fatuorum, poster child for gratuitous obnoxiousness. It's good to be reminded that there are people like you around too. Cheers, Awien (talk) 12:59, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Awien. You always brighten up my day.Chienlit (talk) 19:56, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Clément-Bayard

Greetings Chienlit. I wonder if you might be able to help me. Back on 10 February 2011 you made a reference to a publication James J. Flink. The Automobile Age. Cambridge: MIT Press, 1988. p. 21. I would very much like to look at that because a misunderstanding seems to have arisen. They are references to a London car importing wholesaling and retailing business called British Automobile Commercial Syndicate Ltd.

This company name (and business) does not fit with the statements relating to it in the article and it might be that what was intended was another with a very similar name. Please may I look at that reference - I don't know how to get at it - or if you can would you please check it. I think that author J J Flink just might have made a mistake easily enough made when writing a century later and far away across a whole ocean. I do not want to simply wipe it out of the article in case it does has any relationship to real events.

Hoping for your assistance! regards, Eddaido (talk) 07:44, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Hello Eddaido, I'm looking into it, but am busy with work related stuff. i.e. work. I think I would have used the copy on Google books, or somebody's extract of it, but unfortunately page 21 is not currently visible. I recall reading around the Lawson subject when Clement Bayard was only a fooitnote. I also recall some blogger having lots of info and calling them 'rougues and metioning gaol. I will keep looking and thinking. Regards. Chienlit (talk) 15:59, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

File:Charles Chetwynd-Talbot c 1903.jpg

Hi Chienlit, panicking a bit because this photo labelled as Adolphe Clément appears to be of the Earl of Shrewsbury and Talbot. Can you think of any way to prove this is right or wrong? Regards, Eddaido (talk) 05:04, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

I always thought it looked suspicious, despite some source labelling it Clement. He is much stockier, a blacksmith, square jawed, fat, in all the other photos. I am otherwise heavily engaged at the moment, (work and grand children) but I would not defend it at all. Unfortunately not easy to prove, but best removed from the main article. regards. Chienlit (talk) 08:31, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

I've tried to do some fixes re the mix up of Syndicates but really waiting on a book about the French motor industry before 1914. However on this article Adolphe Clément-Bayard I have created havoc among the references. Please would you draw up to the monitor one of those fabled five year old grandchildren that understands all computer things and get her / him to fix where I went wrong. Please! Thanks, Eddaido (talk) 12:16, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

I'll look at it tomorrow. No worries.Chienlit (talk) 20:12, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Talbot and Talbot Lago

Hi Chienlit, I've been trying to get some information about Talbots from a book by an Alain Spitz (Alain Spitz, Talbot. The Talbot-Darracq to Talbot-Lago, published EPA, 1983. (ISBN 2-85120-170-0)) which you credited at the end of the article about Antonio Lago. I'm really keen to get an exhaustive list of the cars made at Suresnes and access to that book would be a big help. Are you able to manage that? Regards, Eddaido (talk) 01:06, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind words. Now, about these trusted sources you mention . . . would there be any chance of accessing them again? It really does seem that Spitz alone has troubled to try to build a proper coverage. I keep gathering information from many many sources. Trouble is I want it to be exhaustive. I suppose I could head it up with :Dynamic list in curly brackets =

This is a dynamic list and may never be able to satisfy particular standards for completeness. You can help by adding missing items with reliable sources.

and see what happens!

Best regards, Eddaido (talk) 09:49, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Referencing systems

Hi. I have been trying to prepare an article, Malvern, Worcestershire, of which I am the major contributor, ready for FA for about three years. The attempts are thwarted because I simply do not understand the footnotes system that was introduced to it 7 years ago by others, and the two contributors to that article who adopted your system are no longer active and do not respond to messages or email (we are all now in our 60s and 70s).

Can you help? I see that your own participation in Wikipedia is also now very much reduced and if you too leave the project for good, your institutional memory of this system will go with you. This would then involve a complete rewrite of the references and footnotes at Malvern, a task that would take a estimated 100 hours and time which I at my age can also no longer dedicate to Wikipedia. I look forward to your suggestions. Cheers, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:25, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello Kudpung,Are you sure you mean me? Malvern is not on my watchlist (although I love visiting) and I can find no edits by me. I once learned a referencing technique ( ... ) which was described as 'the future' scheme but which caused outrage (venomous threats and insults) amongst people who couldn't understand it. Almost all of the articles were converted back to the tatty but easily ujnderstood inline standard. I see all the refs are in the references section. They should all be pasteable back inline.

How can I help? As you noted work currently takes most of my time and energy.Chienlit (talk) 10:52, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Emma Busta Nutt

Please stop vandalizing the article for Emma Busta Nutt. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.246.186.211 (talk) 15:43, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Carillion

Hi - you just reverted a change I made. I removed that line for two reasons: it is from an unreliable primary source (Carillion's own website), and also is historically inaccurate as the firms mentioned had already been absorbed into Tarmac Construction at the time of Carillion's creation - Mitchell was acquired by Tarmac and the name discontinued in 1973, Cubitts was acquired and the name discontinued in 1976, while Wimpey Construction was part of an asset swap with Tarmac completed in 1995. (disclosure: I worked at Tarmac for four years during the 1990s). Paul W (talk) 10:21, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

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Fratelli Ceirano translation

Cheers! I was going to to add a "translated page" template to the talk page of Fratelli Ceirano, since you noted that it contained content translated from Spanish Wikipedia, but I noticed there is no Spanish Wikipedia article for this exact topic. Could you specify which article(s) you translated content from, if you happen to remember? Thanks! Noahfgodard (talk) 20:50, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

German. Google translates German into good English. They write/think/are encyclopedic and diligent. and ... I think that the Ceirano jigsaw was sooo complicated that I also sieved scraps from Italian pages. ... and I think that the Italian page is a blend of my other Ceirano pages. I assume "Spanish" was my complete aberration.

But (p.s.) my gold-standard source is always Nick Georgano.Chienlit (talk) 21:46, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

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Iceland eruptions

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		Good work on List of volcanic eruptions in Iceland I have added to page now so no attribution issues w.r.t. ChaseKiwi (talk) 17:12, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

I have noted you are working on updating map and article which for the moment therefore I am keeping away from, although as we have at least one troll out there trying to be smart with Icelandic names who knows when I might have to do a revert to preserve the good work. Having just had another more experienced editor remove a Danish word as irrelevant detail I have been reminded of rule keep it simple...and most English speakers do not speak Danish or care if a word for a geological term might have gone from Danish to German to English for historic reasons.

Thus in map Gjálp would be clearer with one entry and no extra text like would be the case if you used code

{{Location map~|Iceland |mark=Mountain sign.svg |lat_deg=64|lat_min=32|lat_sec=00 |lat_dir=N |lon_deg=17 |lon_min=25 |lon_sec = 08 |lon_dir=W |position=right|background=|label=[[#Anchor Gjálp index|<small>Gjálp</small>]]|link=1996 eruption of Gjálp}}

Similarly Dyngjufjöll Mountain range could better as just the label Dyngjufjöll

same would apply to say Þingvellir canyon as actually despite popular promotion that its the middle of the Mid Atlantic Ridge, its really a rift feature associated with the triple junction with the Hreppa microplate. - name only can leave such issues for article text clarification.

Finally I note you added back Kolbeinsey to the map. As a pretty and subtle option have you considered using the red up arrow symbol like in {{Location map~|Iceland |mark=Red Arrow Up.svg |lat_deg=66|lat_min=45 |lat_sec = 00 |lat_dir=N |lon_deg=18 |lon_min=41| lon_sec = 01 |lon_dir=W|position=left|background=|label=[[#Anchor Kolbeinsey index|<small>Note: Kolbeinsey (Off map at 67deg)</small>]]|link=Kolbeinsey}}. I don't think the artificial coords you have used will cause a wikidata issue as the symbol is on the southern Kolbeinsey ridge even if the eruption was probably a bit further north. ChaseKiwi (talk) 21:21, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello Chase, Many thanks for your latest chat. I think that I have willingly addressed every point, because I was less than satisfied by the state of the article. Also, I am sorry about what is about to happen to you ... Whilst I was clearing my throat to ask for technical help, you stood up and proffered technical skills beyond my wildest dreams, (mark=Red Arrow Up.svg). Where can I find a list of other graphics? But my real need/craving is to optimise . To wit: How can I put new anchors within the list of images and then navigate to them from the text-index.

i.e. ===Askja===

- Askja; An active volcano in the central highlands. A complex of nested calderas within .... ..... the shield volcanoes .... .... and Svartadyngja.

See index of eruption images on the right: [[#Anchor ??????????

I cannot associate anchor to images, I cannot navigate to them.

Apologies for asking but 'trial and error' cannot solve this challenge.

Many regards - Peter Chienlit (talk) 20:06, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Suggest you see if hard HTML code solves the issue with the span around the wikitext image part of code (usually starts with [[ and ends with ]]). <span id="anchor name">...</span>This is certainly what the original wikitext Anchor syntax was designed to do in text but images are rendered as <div>s where the <div>shave all sorts of css style properties like float:right hidden in their class structures which will get the [[#Anchor syntax processing engine confused. Be aware that you must have a unique to the HTML page served up "anchor name"and I only suspect that the [[#Anchor syntax will work fine if hard coded from time years ago when I modified wikipedia php code for wikipedia extensions. I do not use anchors much myself. ChaseKiwi (talk) 20:49, 21 February 2024 (UTC)