Talk:Tesco/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Opposition to expansion

• Moved from my own Talk page for wider input:

Hi, you said "useless list; please justify on Talk page". This isn't a useless list (well, no more so than any other list). This is section of the page that details "active opposition" to Tesco expansion and what is listed are the cases of such opposition. So, it is a list that acts as evidence of the subject discussed. You also undid the edit that corrected "some cases" to "almost 200 cases" - "some" is not an accurate representation of so large a figure. Claudetc (talk) 18:51, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

First off, Wikipedia is not a WP:SOAPBOX and I'd say you are dangerously close to pushing a point and campaigning inappropriately rather than writing neutrally; it's all you appear to write about and thus you run the risk of being considered a single-purpose account. The list itself merely confirms that there are groups in many locations opposing Tesco's expansion plans, and I doubt if we need such a list here when there is a website to which readers can be referred. Furthermore, the list is so long as to weaken the proposition that there is anything special about these protests and therefore that they deserve to be mentioned here at all. Additionally, the list is far too huge in relation to the rest of the article that it is as a result, being given weight beyond its relevance. There is an article, Criticism of Tesco, where this sort of thing might well belong (but to be honest, I would disagree that it does; Tesco are merely taking planning decisions based on commercial considerations, which is perfectly legal, although obviously unpopular). I suggest this is discussed, not here, but on Talk:Tesco, where other editors may wish to add their opinions. Thanks. Rodhullandemu 19:07, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that because there are 200 instances^{[citation needed]} of protests means that they're devalued, if anything it makes them more note worthy. However, the list does not belong in this article and would be better summarised; a statement along the lines of "Tesco's expansion has not been without criticism and, in xxx cases, active opposition such as...[one or two notable examples]" would be enough. This would then require a source and I don't think tescopoly.org satisfies the criteria of a reliable source as it is blatantly anti-Tesco. Adding the list does not help the reader and, as Rodhullandemu points out, does not make the articles neutral. Our individual opinions of Tesco are irrelevant, this is an encyclopedia and it's our job to remain neutral. Nev1 (talk) 19:19, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

As I said on Rodhullandemu's talk page, this all makes sense, although the point about Tescopoly raises a question (at least for me, please bear with me, I'm new to this): at what point do we, collectively decide that factual information is unreliable because of the source? In this particular case, Tescopoly act as a site for groups to post information. As far as I know (and I'm not them, so can't say for sure) they don't editorialise on this section of their site, they just collect information.Claudetc (talk) 19:33, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Images

It seems to me that the Tesco#Stores section is getting a little overloaded with images such that they are no longer aligned with the text they illustrate; to alleviate this problem, I make the following suggestions:

• File:TescoBarrow.jpg is about 70% car park (and most of that road markings!) and gives little impression of the scale of the store itself; it should go.
• File:Tesco1.jpg is a better representation of scale, and although not ideal, should stay.
• File:Tesco Metro and West Riding House.jpg shows the store in its city environment and gives some idea of scale and location; I suggest it is helpful and should stay.
• File:Tesco metro manchester.jpg shows only the queue at one till on a particular (atypical) day, and gives no impression of scale; I don't think it adds to the understanding and should go.
• File:TescoOneStop.jpg (declaration of interest: it's my own photo): This is the only image we have of a One Stop, and shows its scale, so I hope it would stay.

Comments welcome, and I'll review this in a week, or sooner if consensus crystallises sooner. Rodhullandemu 21:53, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

There being no response, I've done this. Rodhullandemu 00:21, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Clubcard

I know that the page said 13 million customers have a clubcard and needed a citation. I have changed it to 14 million as I work for clubcard administration and we were told that the number is 14 million in training....I don't have a citation so feel free to change it back...but 14,000,000 is the number(ish). 77.97.202.24 (talk) 01:29, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

This *might* count as original research. Can you find a quote in the media or anywhere to support this? Frognsausage (talk) 17:24, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Animal Cruelty

Hey Guys. I'm new here!

Content should be added to this Tesco page. I would like to know if this would be a wise decision, or not.

Animal Cruelty

Tesco is the largest retailer in Europe, and has entered into both Chinese, and US markets (under the name: "Fresh and Easy") starting in 2007. Their venture into China has promoted and added to the continued abuse of turtles in China. Tesco China kills their turtles in the most inhumane way imaginable,[1] inflicting incredible amounts of pain on the turtles, sometimes for over several hours,[2] until the turtle finally dies. Even more, Tesco lets consumers take live turtles home to kill them any way they wish.[http://www.nowpublic.com/tesco_sell_live_turtles_in_china_they_also_allow_their_customers_to_take_them_away_and_butcher_the_live_turtles_at_home] It has been proven that all reptiles have neurological components that can easily translate pain, similar to us.[3] Tesco's venture into other countries has introduced this brutal cruelty into their reputation. They simply support pure animal cruelty, to say the least. As well, Tesco is helping push freshwater turtles into extinction.[4] Tesco says they follow the highest animal welfare standards they have, but China has none to begin with![5] Adding this tidbit to Tesco's page would be a very wise decision, and will inform people of this side of Tesco they might have not known about.

I did, however, find out that this is very, very briefly stated on the Tesco Ireland article (on the 8th paragraph down, in the "Criticism" section).

Thanks kindly. NoFlyingCars (talk) 08:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually, this chapter will be added to the Criticism of Tesco page. I apologize. NoFlyingCars (talk) 22:18, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Regardless of where you put it, it needs drastic revision. I see you have sourced most claims but it reads far too much as personal opinion and is bias against Tesco. Regardless of your personal views you should always edit with a Neutral point of view. ^Alex J _Fox (Talk) (Contribs) 02:07, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Opposition to expansion

"However the expansion of Tesco is not opposed by everyone. Plans for a new Tesco store in Immingham, North East Lincolnshire were warmly received by the local council[118] and by members of the public.[119]"

Why is this in here? This sounds like it came from the tesco website??! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.2.183.154 (talk) 21:45, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Tesco Extra

This section is a bit of a mess - just to pick out one example, if the Tesco Extra in Slough is the largest supermarket in Europe (for which a citation is needed btw), then by definition it's the largest supermarket and largest Tesco store in the UK too. FWIW I'm sure I've seen another article on Wiki claiming the Tesco Extra store in Newcastle upon Tyne is the biggest, but that may have been referring to sales figures/profits rather than floor space. 217.155.20.163 (talk) 13:17, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

WHY DID TESCO CUSTOMERS FOCUSED INNOVATIONS COST MONEY.WHY NOT EVEN CUT PRICES. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.24.220.90 (talk) 19:57, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

band

Tesco Value redirects here. Tesco Value is a Danish band name - for further information please refer to http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesco_Value —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.27.58.148 (talk) 04:38, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

One Stop

I am a One Stop employee I do not fully agree with the description given here regarding how One Stop fits in to the Tesco stores hierarchy - One Stop is operated independantly of Tescos stores and operates under a seperate brand, yes certain services are shared such as our wages department but would anyone object to me putting in more information regarding how One Stop operates? --Aprhys (talk) 19:12, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

You would have to source this independently, since your own knowledge is considered unverifiable original research. I can't imagine a description of how One Stop operates would be hard to find, however. Rodhullandemu 19:18, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Tesco Superstore

I believe that the new store in Barnsley is now one of the largest stores in th UK now after it's completion ZellDenver (talk) 15:51, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

YCDBSOYA

I added the section on YCDBSOYA after finding a pair of cufflinks bearing the acronym and researching to find the meaning and origin. Now I find there are lots of trinkets in existence bearing the motto, and very many internet resources attribute the origin of the motto to Jack Cohen throughout the development of TESCO, and continued by his daughter, Shirley Porter. I think the etymology and attribution of the expression are interesting enough to be documented but is this the place for it? Does YCDBSOYA deserve its own article?Fideo (talk) 05:00, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm not too sure it belongs in the article but care too little to remove it seeing as it's fairly well written and cited. I did remove one reference (the blog one, it was too spammy) and added a couple of cite tags (there's a difference with being attributed and widely attributed) but other than that I'll leave it and see what others think.

Massive overuse/indiscriminate of images

This article has become a repository of images that add little to nothing the article. Let me say I greatly appreciate those who take the time to take & upload images as a picture paints a thousand words. However most of the images on this article are not adding value, quite the opposite, they make the page cluttered and hard to navigate. I would like to explain my removal of a large number of images:

• Primarily these should be available to anyone who wants them, but that's what the {{commons}} template & gallery is for.
• A prime example of how the use of images has got out of hand is that the editors adding them have not even noticed they're adding duplicates. i.e. File:Tesco Skipton redevelopment.jpg & File:POL Prokocim Tesco.jpg
• Images that are essentially the same - i.e. showing a car park and Tesco store in the distance. Just the fact that it's 100 miles away isn't enough of a distinguishing factor to justify another image.
  • File:Tesco Superstore, Hazelwick Avenue, Crawley, West Sussex - geograph.org.uk - 24831.jpg & File:Tesco's, Dragon Lane, Durham - geograph.org.uk - 150378.jpg are essentially the same image.
  • As are the multiple images of Tesco filling stations, sorry if you've seen one you've seen them all!
  • As are the following examples. Sure some show an Extra, some a regular supermarket, but we already have images differentiating the two formats. These convey nothing new.
    • File:Seacroft Centre.jpg File:Tesco Extra, Coatbridge - geograph.org.uk - 230521.jpg File:Tesco Stowmarket - geograph.org.uk - 246870.jpg File:Tesco1.jpg File:Tesco supermarket, Brighouse - geograph.org.uk - 236413.jpg File:Tesco Extra - geograph.org.uk - 155709.jpg
• File:Sídliště Háje, reklamní patice, Tesco expres.jpg IMO qualifies for speedy deletion on grounds "G11. Unambiguous advertising or promotion."
• Random placement - images should be next to relevant text to add value to the article. However the article has numerous pictures of Tesco Extras nowhere near the section of text covering that format. Similarly for overseas Tesco stores.
  • Another example - the following images are placed in/around the criticism section, but add nothing to that topic: File:Tesco Petrol Filling Station - Havelock Street - geograph.org.uk - 1084073.jpg File:Tesco Superstore, Hazelwick Avenue, Crawley, West Sussex - geograph.org.uk - 24831.jpg File:Tesco at High Wood, Colchester, Essex - geograph.org.uk - 192301.jpg File:Tesco at Stroud Green , London N4 - geograph.org.uk - 4909.jpg File:Cross Point Tesco Extra - geograph.org.uk - 172376.jpg. The Isle of Man section inexplicably has File:Tesco Makó.JPG & File:Tesco-písek.jpg under it!
• Forgive me, but some are just bad photos:
  • File:Tesco Extra - geograph.org.uk - 155709.jpg - Date stamp & distraction of pole & notice on that pole.
  • File:Tesco, ulica Nowowiczlińska, Gdynia - 001.JPG - Some images of non-UK Tesco stores are great additions to the article. But this is just the Tesco logo on the side of a rectangular building. This could be ANY Tesco store.
  • File:Tesco sign.JPG conveys nothing but the Tesco logo & borders on advertising. If you had got that far down in the article without knowing what the logo looked like WP wasn't doing its job very well.
  • File:Full Moon Over Tesco - geograph.org.uk - 79468.jpg The picture of this is to illustrate a full moon over a store??! Let's put aside the encyclopaedic nature of that for a second and point out that the zebra crossing light is as prominent as the moon in the picture & the flash-lit car number plates catch your eye more than either of those subjects.
  • Some are taken from such a distance that a tiny percentage of the image shows a Tesco store, e.g. File:Tesco w Żywcu.png. Mark83 (talk) 11:29, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm the one who actually anonymously added them, I know the article is overwhelmed with them. But, I just thought it was useful since there were such few photos. You have to admit the lamp post one is unique despite it being "advertising." Many photos can be taken as "advertising." The reason I added the photos with something off-topic is because I was just spreading them as "Oh, look it's a Tesco store in so-so." I will admit that on the full moon one, the car plates are more eye-catching. On File:Tesco w Żywcu.png, it may be small and catching more landscape, but it's still notable as a Tesco. Do what you will, but I was only doing good for adding photos. Many of them may be the same, although....they are different building styles. True, Commons gallery is for viewing at consent, but many of them do fit with the article, such as the Poland, Thailand, and Czech that you removed. There could easily be two on each side of the text (i.e Czech or Poland). I will also admit it clutters the fine view of the article. But, I'm really saying is perhaps you can re-add them, but condensed. I truly apologize if I made the article a mess, I was just trying to be useful.

It's true that photos should be near text, but at times, when there is nowhere else to put them, you may as well put them somewhere, even if it's off-grounds. I realize your point of posting simply the logo, hmm. I don't know if anyone else is going to post here talking about their own views on this. I don't wish to make a controversy about this, after all I simply just wanted to post the photos from Commons as a way to show Tesco stores from across the world. EDIT (adding more): I would hope that since I actually spent hours and hours posting the photos, that some of them would salvaged and reposted. I literally went through probably 20 pages on Commons. By the way, on File:Tesco Skipton redevelopment.jpg & File:POL Prokocim Tesco.jpg, I had no idea I added the same one. On the same note though, one may say front and back may be useful of a photo?SwisterTwister (talk) 06:19, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

• Look I'm not saying every image I removed must stay out. All I'm saying is there was an impractical amount of images. So add some back if you want, but please please consider whether an image really adds to the article. I see from your comment above that one of your motives was to show the varied styles of Tesco buildings - that is not a reason for plastering the article with images. If you really want to make a point about that you could:
  • make a section about Tesco's arhictectural style and add a <gallery>
  • make a separate article.
• Yes I removed some images from foreign stores, but when I went through the images there were four or five of Czech stores. Do we really need five images to go beside one paragraph!?
• Please recognise that I didn't just remove images for the sake of it, I spent a lot of time choosing which to leave and a lot more time explaining my rationale above. However I appreciate you taking the time to reply & I'm happy to discuss it further if you wish. Kind regards, Mark83 (talk) 07:35, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

I was considering creating a gallery, and I have definitely done that before. I suppose I wasn't realising how many photos I submitted. I will repost and create a gallery. Cheers!SwisterTwister (talk) 22:50, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

I should declare an interest in that some images I took have been kept, but overlarge galleries are also deprecated, so I'd advise a representative, small, selection would suffice in a gallery. These images are mostly on Commons and categorised, so the {{commonscat}} also provides a link. Rodhullandemu 22:53, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

If we're going to have lots of pictures, the article would benefit hugely from some photos of interiors, own-brand products, etc. as well as just buildings. Barnabypage (talk) 10:50, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, I have restored the photos within a gallery. If anyone feels disapproval of any of them or feels that there could be a better photo, I won't barricade anyone from doing so. Yours truly, SwisterTwister (talk) 06:06, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Comment: Having edited the article to reduce the amount of images, which do not add to the quality of the article, I found a message from SwisterTwister on my talkpage concerning my 'recent behaviour'. As it relates to this article and the images I thought I would add a copy of the message and my reply to SwisterTwister on this thread to keep everything in context, should any other editor feel my deletion of the images, or merging in of the Tesco Extra article to be detrimental to this article.

Quote:-

I feel that you have been unfair to me lately. Pinning the Tesco photos on me. I was just simply adding photos that said Tesco. It's the authour that took a bad image. Why should I be scorned about it? I was trying to do everyone a favour, I feel that it's all been blamed on me. Secondly, if everyone says it's a bad photo it's should be deleted from Commons. I look forward to your reply. SwisterTwister (talk) 06:03, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

I certainly have not been unfair to you or 'pinned the Tesco Photos' on you or scorned you for the quality of the images of Tesco stores, which I assumed you placed in Good Faith, especially as I have not placed a Talkpage message or an edit summary mentioning you. It's irrelevant who actually took the photo's, you are the person who placed them on the article, then replaced them when other editors removed them. You stated the photo's were placed 'anonymously' by yourself on the Tesco Talkpage:- quote "I'm the one who actually anonymously added them, I know the article is overwhelmed with them" SwisterTwister (talk) 06:19, 26 May 2010 (UTC), then again "I was considering creating a gallery, and I have definitely done that before. I suppose I wasn't realising how many photos I submitted. I will repost and create a gallery" SwisterTwister (talk) 22:50, 26 May 2010 (UTC) and again "Well, I have restored the photos within a gallery. If anyone feels disapproval of any of them or feels that there could be a better photo, I won't barricade anyone from doing so" SwisterTwister (talk) 06:06, 28 May 2010 (UTC). Now the fact that you placed the images in the Tesco article using anonymous IPs, from Verizon Communications Internet Services is very simple to see. IE these:- 71.252.231.187, 71.170.23.217, 71.252.172.50, 71.97.53.115 at least! NOTE: Any editor can also see that you have used those IPs to place Tesco images into other Tesco articles, as well as edit other 'non Tesco' articles, including this one on Verizon Communicatons. Cross referencing those IP edits also shows several other Anon IPs you have used to add images to articles. Note Using anonymous IPs to edit articles is generally considered to be Sockpuppetry, so perhaps you would be better off using your main login name to edit all articles in future. Richard Harvey (talk) 09:46, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

End Quote. Richard Harvey (talk) 09:46, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

I just want to say one final thing. I really feel that the article should have photos, but because apparently I can't do it correctly. I would like someone to go through them and possibly post up photos they believe are appropriate. That is all, and I can assure you I will never step foot in this article ever again. I've learned my lesson! SwisterTwister (talk) 02:33, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

I think the gallery is a bit pointless, there is really no need for one in this sort of articles and the images contained within it are frankly quite shit and wouldn't really add anything to the article if they were in the main text, let alone a gallery. I propose removal. raseaC^{talk to me} 21:39, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

I would support the removal of a large number of the images from this article. The vast majority of Tesco stores look very similar wherever they are and the current gallery is completely pointless. Where a separate article exists (eg. Fresh & Easy) there is especially no need to copy the same photo in this article. I would have thought the following were sufficient:

• One image of the company logo in the lead section
• One of a "representative store"
• The of the first Tesco
• One representative each of "Extra", "Metro", "Express", "One stop"
• One of a petrol station
• The map of international operations
• A small gallery (3 or 4 images) of stores outside of the UK

I also would propose the addition of a couple of images if available: a representative interior, a representative own-brand product (or group of products), and perhaps a Tesco distribution centre. The existing {{commonscat}} lets those interested find the 100 or so images on Commons. Astronaut (talk) 06:33, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

One Stop

Can someone explain the connection here because I am lost when reading the current presentation. Do I take it that One Stops are now all owned by Tesco, or may some (such as the one photographed in Trowbridge, my hometown) be private? The fact that it states "keep their old name" suggests that there was not always a link betwen One Stop and Tesco but that doesn't say anything about now. I would find it hard to believe that all One Stop staff are working for tesco, trainied in a Tesco environment and entitled to Tesco's staff benefits (eg. pension, holidays, etc.). User:Evlekis (Евлекис) 16:24, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I too live in Trowbridge and i believe that some of them are private. No one lives in the other One Stop in Trowbridge, so i suspend that that one is owned by Tesco. I think there needs to be more explanation in the article on this. By the way sorry i'm a bit out of date in responding to this 77.99.231.37 (talk) 19:44, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

It appears that Tesco bought the whole chain and converted about half of them into its Tesco Express format. See http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/retailing/article7070471.ece. Barnabypage (talk) 11:46, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Claims on Tesco size

The data presented on the global size ranking on Tesco does not seem accurate when measured against Deloitte data for 2010. My original understanding matched the article, but the research results from Deloitte contradicts the data.

Information can be found here for Europe: http://retailindustry.about.com/od/famousretailers/a/europe_2010_largest_retailers.htm

I believe it is measured as Revenue. Charl Holtzhausen 195.229.66.86 (talk) 12:34, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes you're right, the Deloitte report does have Metro ahead of Tesco in terms of revenues, I have now corrected the lead. Rangoon11 (talk) 12:46, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Argentina

Does Tesco have stores in Argentina? According to the map featured in this article, this is apparently the case, although it isn't mentioned anywhere else.

/Jonte93 (talk) 14:19, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

• The map was incorrect and I have deleted it from the article. It incorrectly indicates stores in Alaska, Argentina and Mexico. TESCO's own interactive map shows the correct locations here:- [6]. Richard Harvey (talk) 03:58, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Split article?

Sainsbury's Local now has its own article. Is it time to split off parts of Tesco, such as Tesco Express, into separate articles? Biscuittin (talk) 23:15, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Personally I don't think so. There would need to be a considerable amount of duplicated material taken from this article to give enough substance to create it. Note that there was a 'Tesco Express' article that was merged into this article in March 2008. Having also just looked at the wikilinked items listed in the Sainsbury's article Current operations section and noted the circular wikilinks and redirects in them I do see that there is a case for merging those articles into the main one. As the Sainsbury's Local article also seems to be nothing more than a load of duplication of the other articles which are mentioned in that section that article could also be done away with! Richard Harvey (talk) 09:24, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

My view is that there is more than enough potential content, and third party references to cite, to justify break-out articles for the major Tesco store formats (each of which would be a major FTSE 100 company in its own right if independent), but that this should only be done if that content will in fact be created. I see no point in creating a break out article for, say, Tesco Express, if it will only contain the three and a half lines of text currently found in this article. Rangoon11 (talk) 18:33, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Query re Poland numbers

International operations: Poland 602 stores, area 901,697, average 3,088 doesnt make sense. Nigej 12:09, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Split article

Any views on splitting the International Operations section in to a new article Tesco international operations as the main article is getting rather big, and Tesco's international operations are increasing so it will be an expanding operation and section. Mark999 20:02, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Splitting out all of the International operations into a separate article would be the wrong approach. However I would support the creation of individual articles for each country, as have already been created for a number such as Ireland and the U.S. Rangoon11 (talk) 20:11, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

A lot of the articles would only be a few lines long which would make them pointless Mark999 20:18, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

I disagree, there is enough content online to cite to create viable articles for all of them. Rangoon11 (talk) 20:35, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

What is Tesco Direct, Tesco Extra?

Tesco Direct vs Tesco Extra — Preceding unsigned comment added by Otivaeey (talk • contribs) 05:22, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Flagged as Advert

I flagged the article as an advert because of this section in:

"In April 2009, Tesco announced that it had created a super tomato that "doesn't leak". The tomato is grown in Holland and is meant to be a better tomato for sandwiches since, being less juicy, they will not make sandwiches as soggy as regular tomatoes do.[35]"

- This reads like an advert to me. Product placement on a wikipedia page. Could somebody edit? Apologies if I've used the advert flag incorrectly.

cheers --mgaved (talk) 11:01, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

- Somebody has removed the 'advert' status of the article but left the above section in. I take it somebody is unhappy that I've called the article an advert so I've removed the above section from the article instead. cheers. --mgaved (talk) 12:00, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

• The tag removed by Rangoon11 was removed as it is incorrect to tag a complete article as an advert, simply because you feel an item in it is advertising, which in this case it is not. It is factual information, from 2009, that has been mentioned in a news media article. Removing factual information that has a supporting reference from an accredited source, (IE: the online edition of the Guardian) is however an act of censorship and thus vandalism. I have therefore reverted your edit to how it was before you first edited the article. Richard Harvey (talk) 17:04, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Tesco USA suggested edits

Hello! I'm Nicole DeRuiter, the social media manager for Fresh & Easy (Tesco's wholly-owned subsidiary in the USA). I wanted to submit a few notes for editorial review to the Tesco USA section.

The first is the number of store locations belonging to Fresh & Easy at present; the most correct current number (as of 7/26/2011) is 176 locations across Arizona, California and Nevada. This can be verified by an article in the Financial Times released on 7/19/2011... "While Tesco is overhauling existing stores, it will continue to open new ones, with the chain expected to increase from 176 stores at present to 214 by the end of Tesco’s financial year in February. <ref name="Financial Times">[http://t.co/8mrE167]</ref>

It also seems that the language about expecting to open another 100 stores in the first year and a new store every 2 1/2 days is a bit out of date... Perhaps the tense should be changed to reflect the initial aspirations but also reflect that those goals are now in the past as the company builds on several years of work and expansion.

I hope these notes are helpful! DwriteN (talk) 00:20, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

References

Oakwood distribution

Oakwood Distribution is a company owned by Tesco, but not sure how to integrate it. Probably deserves a separate article stub.

Oakwood came into being because of the liquidation in 2008/2009 of Handlemans in the US and UK; Tesco was at the time Handlemans only customer (for supply of CDs/DVDs/Games/Bluray to stores, including a merchandising service) and so it was a forced sale to maintain supply (the main competitor being the Entertainment UK division of Woolworths UK which had it's own financial challenges, and indeed went into administration not long after). Asda (Wallmart) was a former customer of Handlemans UK (greeting cards as well as media). Handlemans in the US liquidated its assets, mainly to competitors in the wholesale distribution to stores market.

Oakwood distribution also operates as a Amazon.co.uk marketplace trader (B2C) (Google site search will show this).

Handlemans Corporation is also worth an stub article to tie it all together. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.60.169 (talk) 23:06, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

This article should mention Richard Brasher stepping down

It was announced on the news on the Today programme on BBC Radio Four, on March 15 2012, that the Chief Exectuive of Tescos, Richard Brasher, is stepping down. This could be added as the web-based resource for this information:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17378409

I really think that it would help to update the article if this went in the article. At present, the article does not mention Richard Brasher. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 11:53, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

No mention about TESCO involvement with DWP 'Workfare' Scheme?

I feel the company's involvement in the DWP's "forced labour" schemes is worthy of some mention: perhaps beneath the section discussing 'The Guardian' libel action? 79.75.223.114 (talk) 01:39, 5 March 2012 (UTC)jdspots79.75.223.114 (talk) 01:39, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, why not add it yourself? MrZoolook (talk) 18:29, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Infobox logo

Why has the logo of the company been removed from the infobox again? This is an article about Tesco plc, not "supermarkets branded as Tesco", and Tesco plc has numerous current and past activities which do not use the Tesco logo alone (e.g. Fresh and Easy, Dobbies, Tesco Mobile, Tesco Bank, T and S, Home plus, Tesco Lotus etc). Standard practice is for the infobox logo to be that of the company. What is the issue with this? Rangoon11 (talk) 23:48, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

This article is primarily focused on Tesco stores not the parent company Tesco PLC so the the Tesco stores logo should be used. Most articles have a separate article for parent companies, this is where the Tesco PLC logo would go. --JetBlast (talk) 00:20, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Sorry but that's completely wrong, this article is about Tesco plc, that is the topic and that is very clear from the article contents and infobox. The article addresses all aspects of Tesco plc.

There are break out articles for some of the various parts of Tesco plc. There are good arguments for creating others such as for Tesco Extra, Tesco Metro, and perhaps Tesco's UK operations. That is a separate issue however. This article is what it is, and what it is is really very clear.Rangoon11 (talk) 00:28, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

The bulk of this article is about Tesco stores. There are sections that talk about other ventures as you say, but the vast majority is about the supermarkets based around the world. Just a question, if this is article is about Tesco plc why isnt it called Tesco plc and why isnt the Tesco plc website used in the infobox? I do think the Parent company Tesco plc needs breaking away and including in its own article. --JetBlast (talk) 00:36, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

The article addresses all aspects of Tesco plc, of which supermarkets trading under the Tesco/Tesco Extra/Tesco Express/Tesco Metro name constitute I would guess over 50% of total revenues (and note also the various formats in any case use different fascia logos). However Fresh and Easy/Dobbies/Tesco Mobile/Tesco Bank/One Stop/Home plus/Tesco Lotus etc are very important and do take up a large share of the article. As do purely corporate issues. I am quite surprised you would question this.

It is standard in WP for company article names to not include things like "plc/Limited/Corporation/S.A./AG" etc. These are only included as a disambiguation when the common name is taken. Look at the articles of other FTSE 100 companies and you will see this.

I agree that the infobox website link should be changed if it is going to the UK customer site. Rangoon11 (talk) 00:44, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

I still go back to my point the majority talks about Tesco supermarkets, and this is the Main (not only) focus. The other business should we picked out of here and put into another article like it is with International Airlines Group --JetBlast (talk) 00:54, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

First of all what do you mean by "Tesco supermarkets"? Do you mean all supermarkets operated by Tesco? (which includes supermarkets branded as Fresh and Easy, One Stop, Home plus and Tesco Lotus). Or do you mean all supermarkets branded as Tesco (presumably including Tesco Express, Tesco Metro, Tesco Extra)?

Secondly, this is a company which remains primarily a supermarket retailer, so it is unsurprising that those aspects of its business take up much of the article.

I would be strongly opposed to any attempt to convert this article into one which only addresses either supermarkets operated by Tesco or supermarkets branded as Tesco. I would also be opposed to creating a break out article from this one which covers either of those as a topic, since neither of those topics would reflect how Tesco actually operates as a business and would overlap too much with the separate articles for Tesco operations in different countries. Your analogy with British Airways and International Airlines Group is wrong as this is already the equivalent of the International Airlines Group article, and we already have the equivalent of the British Airways article in articles such as Tesco Ireland, Tesco Lotus, Tesco Kipa, and Fresh & Easy.

What I would support however is the creation of further break out articles which deal with each national Tesco operation which does not currently have one. I would include the UK in this. Rangoon11 (talk) 11:46, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Note: JetBlast, unable or unwilling (or both) to respond to the points made above attempted to unilaterally declare the above discussion closed and a consensus reached: [7].Rangoon11 (talk) 14:28, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Last Tesco to become a Metro?

It is stated in the article that the last high street Tesco to be converted to a Metro store was Devises well this incorrect as the store on Victoria Viaduct in Carlisle which has similary never been refurbished for years is very soon to be converted to a Tesco Metro which it has been in practice for years ever since a superstore was built on the edge of the city at Rosehill. I believe the reason the conversion has been delayed this long is becasue Tesco has finally given up on building a 2nd superstore in Carlisle on derilct land close to the Victoria Viaduct. Penrithguy (talk) 18:53, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Error in floor space?

Bottom of the Tesco Extra section: "the recently opened St Helens store, which at 140,000 square metres is one of the biggest in England". Surely square feet? 109.148.70.228 (talk) 14:41, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Tesc Magazine

Someone needs to mention about Tesco Magazine created by Cedar Communications and the philanthropic awards that it holds including the Tesco Magazine Mum of the Year Awards. (Ladytwentytwo (talk) 00:07, 4 February 2013 (UTC)) And their store Community Champions that do good work at a local level.(Ladytwentytwo (talk) 09:00, 4 February 2013 (UTC))

The above reads like an advert. 109.148.70.228 (talk) 14:43, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

aquisitions

Tescos seems to have expanded dramatically by taking over other businesses up to 1968 and again after 1987. Were there none between 1968 and 1987? john212.183.128.23 (talk) 10:29, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

true meaning of every little helps

Tesco reviews | Customer reviews of Tesco

… true meaning of every little helps — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.89.112 (talk) 13:34, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Arun Sunner (talk) 15:15, 16 November 2013 (GMT)

When did homepages.tesco.net close?

There's still 23,000 pages in Google's cache, does anyone know when they closed this service? I can't find anything in the news or blogosphere and the entire domain is redirecting with a 301 to tesco.com. It's probably worth a mention if anyone can find any details on it 2.26.158.59 (talk) 13:29, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

The tesco.net homepage now is a homepage for their broadband and home phone services. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arunsunner (talk • contribs) 15:30, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

The ice cream incident

<copyright material removed ... the source is below>

Philipson, Alice. "Tesco recalls ice cream cones after customers find 'pain relief' tablets in cornets". The Telegraph. Alice Philipson. Retrieved 15 November 2013.

Arun Sunner (talk) 15:07, 16 November 2013 (GMT)

Not done: please make your request in a "change X to Y" format. Also, please do not copy the whole text of a source here. It's copyrighted, and a link is enough. If anything about this incident is included in the article, it will have to be a précis in our own words. --Stfg (talk) 15:18, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

I apologize for the addition of copyrighted text. I was not sure whether you could copy the article's text. I was also not sure of which template to use to add something to a page so I used the edit template.

Arun Sunner (talk) 15:23, 16 November 2013 (GMT)

Don't worry, it's all fixed. You didn't need to add the URL, as it's in the {{cite web}} template you used. (People who want the article can just click on the title). Using the edit template was fine. --Stfg (talk) 17:54, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Criticism section

I'm inclined to think that the following points are so trivial they really don't belong in a brief article on such a huge company. Anyone in favour of keeping them?

In December 2006 The Grocer magazine published a study which named Tesco as having the slowest checkouts of the six major supermarkets. Somerfield had the shortest queues with an average wait of 4 min 23 seconds. In order of least time spent at the checkout, the other major supermarkets were Waitrose, Sainsbury's, Asda, Morrisons.[109] The Grocer also named ASDA as the cheapest UK supermarket (based on 33 items). Tesco was second and Sainsbury's and Morrisons joint third.[109] Tesco price check tends to differ saying out of 7134 (compared to ASDA) products, (Survey carried out between 9 July 2007 and 11 July 2007) Tesco is cheaper: 1835 (compared to 1251 the previous week), Tesco is more expensive: 975 (compared to 984 the previous week) and Tesco is the same price: 4324 (compared to 4996 the previous week).[110] Tesco received criticism for bureaucratic and inflexible parking systems in its Bloomfield store in Dublin, Ireland.[111] Tesco continues to advertise on Fox News's controversial Glenn Beck Show despite 60 major US companies, and a number of UK companies, pulling their advertisements. The cancellations were largely a consequence of Beck's accusation that Barack Obama was racist and had a "deep-seated hatred for white people". In contrast, Waitrose has already ceased advertising on the show.[112]

Barnabypage (talk) 15:10, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree, especially as it is the sort of information that could be outdated very quickly. This could be argued to be OK on smaller pages, but not in the Criticisms section of a multinational corporation.

Mike1901 (talk) 00:35, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Yup. (1) Too much detail (2) out of date (3) in relation to Beck, a drop in the ocean. WP:BLP doesn't apply strictly to corporations, but WP:UNDUE and WP:RECENTISM do. Rodhullandemu 00:46, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

The article states that 'Writer and former MP Jit Siratranont is facing up to two years in jail and a £16.4 million libel damages'. It might be worth adding that, presumably since this section of the page was last updated, the Thai court dismissed the case. See http://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/jun/18/tesco-libel-case-thailand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpacemanNumberFive (talk • contribs) 20:56, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Spilt the International operations into its own page

This page is really about Tesco UK operations etc and I think it would be better if its International operations were moved into its own page with links back to here etc. What do other think? --Crazyseiko (talk) 21:58, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Anyone even the XX amount of people who watch this page have nothing to say about this idea?

I would be against this. I do not believe the international operations are sufficiently notable in their own right. Dormskirk (talk) 21:27, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

It has already happened, and I think it's fine, and should be left how it is now - brief summary in this article, main article elsewhere. Works fine for me. 77.96.249.228 (talk) 21:36, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Number of locations removed?

I recall visiting this page earlier and finding a table about how many new stores Tesco opened in each country; the top of the article still has a "Number of locations" part that refers to table below, which no longer exists.

Would someone add that table back? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.20.217.35 (talk) 21:49, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

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Glitch?

No other languages show up, despite d:Q487494 having plenty of other languages for this article. Why is that? TVShowFan122 (talk) 17:13, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Appears OK for me under monobook, could be a skin problem. What skin are you using? Keith D (talk) 18:59, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Tesco's meaning in latin

Tesco apparently means 'I shop' in latin. Should the coincidental nature of this be indicated in the article? 86.10.75.167 (talk) 17:42, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Well I found this interesting, so why not! IainUK talk 14:01, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but the origin of the name are nothing to do with Latin - it is named after its founder, Cohen. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 11:47, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

That's why User:86.10.75.167 said "coincidental". IainUK talk 18:11, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

That's from a link to the dog Latin article. "Tesco ergo sum" was just someone's deliberate joke using a vaguely Latin-sounding word. --McGeddon (talk) 11:54, 15 March 2012 (UTC) I simply believed for sometime named after Tessa Cohen the family daughter and eventual one of the Heirs (Heiress). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.130.242 (talk) 09:45, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Sales and revenue ranking numbers need to be updated

Numbers for profits/sales are from 2011.

This investopedia article from 2015 ranks Tesco at #5 based on sales. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retail#Global_top_ten_retailers

Numbers for revenue are from 2013; I was not able to find a clear source for a more current number.

The Immaculate Correction (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:33, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Proposed merge with List of chairmen of Tesco

This short list could easily be contained within the main article. As an independent article, this likely fails WP:GNG and WP:LISTN. - MrX 11:43, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Technika?

In the UK, Tesco sell many kinds of electronic goods made by a company called Technika. I can't find any information about this company anywhere in Wikipedia, even in this article about Tesco. Who are Technika, are they a mere subsidiary, wholly owned by Tesco?

I'm not sure of the ownership but I know that a company called UMC (Universal Media Corporation) manufacture a lot of Technika products in Slovakia ^Alex J _Fox (Talk) (Contribs) 21:32, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

- I thought Techinka was just a brand name of rebranded products that are produced by another company and sold in Tesco stores, but that's just my opinion. Chevymontecarlo (talk) 14:40, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

- Indeed. See http://www.umc-slovakia.sk/products-support/software-upgrade/ (Slovak, Technika) and http://www.umc-uk.co.uk/firmware/technika.php (British, Technika and other brands) for some firmware updates and other support for Technika TV. From some TV-screenshots there is obvious relation but they seem far from identical. 90.180.192.165 (talk) 00:54, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

- Searching Technika and 23 at the above .sk link reveals brands Technika, SKY and Blaupunkt. --90.180.192.165 (talk) 11:17, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Tesco Clubcard Poland

I see that there is wrong cost of 1 Clubcard point in Poland. It should be 1 point for 2 zł. And there aren't any points for purchase of fuel. https://www.tesco.pl/marki-i-uslugi/clubcard/o-programie-clubcard.php

Erwinskiprzemek (talk) 22:56, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Removal of own brands as an "unnecessary section"

Cloudbound (talk · contribs) made a series of edits a couple of years back which included the removal of the "own brands" section. This was summarised as "removed unnecessary section" (that's it), which is barely an explanation or justification at all.

The brands are a moderately notable aspect of Tesco's retail offering and "personality", even if they can be adequately covered by acknowledgement of their existence and a supporting sentence or two... which was the case anyway. So why was this deemed "unnecessary"?

Ubcule (talk) 19:41, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello. The summary "removed unnecessary section" seemed concise, since that's what I did (in my opinion). Not all the brands that were in that section really needed to be mentioned at all, such as "Best of British". You're more than welcome to add back the most well-known ones if you'd like, such as Everyday Value and Finest. We don't need them all though, and back in 2015 I didn't really think we needed any of them. Cloudbound (talk) 19:58, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

@Cloudbound:; You explained *what* you did- which, to be fair is more than some people bother doing! However, you didn't explain *why*- beyond the fact you considered it "unnecessary"- which I'd still consider insufficient for an edit which removed an entire section.

Anyway, I'll add this back at some point, but I'm not rushing into it since- while I disagree with its removal- the original version wasn't perfect and could have been referenced better. Ubcule (talk) 21:00, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

That's your opinion, and I respect that. Thanks. Cloudbound (talk) 21:13, 8 February 2017 (UTC)