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Discussion at List of intersex Olympians

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List_of_intersex_Olympians#Suggestion_gathering:_improvements_to_coverage_of_intersex_and_DSD_athletes , which is within the scope of this WikiProject. Kingsif (talk) 06:31, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Drag-a-thon

Inviting editors to help improve Drag-a-thon, which is about a drag show in Portland, Oregon, seeking to set a Guinness World Record. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:23, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Protection expired at 'Drag queen'

Pending change protection has just expired at Drag queen; please add it to your watchlist. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 05:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

LGBT chemicals conspiracy theory

The above article could do with some help from this WikiProject. Thank you. GnocchiFan (talk) 07:16, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the link GnocchiFan. I'm pretty interested in these kinds of article, and this one definitely seems notable. I've done a fairly thorough refactor/rewrite of the article's contents to be more MOS and accurate. More eyes are welcome. –RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (💬 • 📝) 10:26, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much, that's much better! Really appreciate it 😊 GnocchiFan (talk) 10:27, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Tin Shed Garden Cafe

The article about lesbian-owned restaurant Tin Shed Garden Cafe has been nominated for deletion, if any project members care to weigh in on the ongoing discussion or assist with article improvements. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:28, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Grayson Perry

Hello, opinions on my comment at Talk:Grayson Perry would be appreciated. Thanks, Pikemaster (talk) 10:16, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Resolved: Article about a criminal case involving a trans woman where the main source used deliberately misgenders her

Update (August 4): Article has been deleted for non-notability, probably will not be re-created.

The Barbie Kardashian case article was created two days before I posted this, and is currently being discussed at AfD.

The source that the article cites the most is The Spectator, which is mostly composed of opinion pieces and thus likely inappropriate for a living-person related article.

Even if the source was reliable, the specific piece refers to Kardashian as a man and uses he/him pronouns to refer to her throughout, with the piece arguing that "The validation of [Kardashian's] gender identity is considered more important than the security of the [cisgender] women in Limerick’s prison estate. The reorganisation of the prison around flattering the identity of a dangerous [trans woman] is a disgrace. It is state-endorsed misogyny." (Square brackets indicate changes made for clarity and to avoid misgendering Kardashian.)

Help from someone who knows about Irish newspapers would be appreciated for locating reliable sources to replace this one. QuietCicada (talk) 19:48, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Biased POV in relatively new article Go woke go broke

The article Go woke go broke was recently created by someone and is currently heavily slanted with a certain WP:POV and a lot of synthesized original research. If someone has the energy to wade through it to help clean it up and remove the WP:UNDUE weight in it, inviting editors to help. Raladic (talk) 16:38, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Lia Thomas on Wikidata

Could someone who is more familiar than I am with Wikidata policies please weigh in on the issue of whether to include the prior name of Lia Thomas? Funcrunch (talk) 16:03, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with the policies either but I had a quick look at them and I think I've made a valid case for removal. DanielRigal (talk) 18:42, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

My understanding of editorial policy is that a trans person's former name is used only if they were notable under that former name (see Alexander James Adams for an example of this.) In the case of Lia Thomas, she became notable after transitioning so it would be proper to use only her current name. TechBear | Talk | Contributions 22:01, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

I know that's the current policy here on the English Wikipedia, but I'm not sure if that's the case on Wikidata. Funcrunch (talk) 00:13, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

As far as I know Wikidata don't have any policies or guidelines in this area yet. I know there was a discussion in July 2022 on the deadname of fr:Océan (artiste) but I can't see how that was resolved in Océan's entry. It might be good idea to also ask this on Wikidata's WikiProject LGBT as the editors there would hopefully be more familiar with how to handle this.

The lack of guidance though is something that the Wikimedia LGBT+ user group really should be advocating a resolution for. OwenBlacker I know you're active with that group, is there anything that the user group is doing behind the scenes with regards to this? Sideswipe9th (talk) 00:42, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I forgot about that LGBT WikiProject on Wikidata; will post there. Funcrunch (talk) 01:29, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping, @Sideswipe9th. We've been working with some people from Wikidata's WikiProject LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group on Wikidata's WikiProject Personal Pronouns, which is not directly relevant to the issue of deadnaming but related and has some overlaps in interest areas; I would expect that most people there would also be interested in helping draft a better policy around respectful treatment of trans people on Wikidata.

We don't have anything formal going on at the moment, but it is definitely an area the User Group wants to do more in, both in relation to the proposed updates to frwiki's MOS:GENDERID equivalent and the news stories around transphobic Talk: discussions on frwiki. We had a conversation a little while ago with the WMF about running a Conversation series and mutually agreed to withdraw our initial grant application because we wanted to discuss the issue of quantitative analysis in more detail; that conversation is restarting at the moment and one of the key topics we want to include there is around biographies of trans subjects.

We will soon be announcing the date of our August meeting of the User Group, which I expect to be on a weekday evening European time, so morning on the US Pacific Coast, around lunchtime on the US Atlantic Coast. Hopefully we can see some of y'all there to discuss what we might do in this area — certainly it's one of my top personal priorities. Look on the LGBT list on Mailman or for a new page in meta:Category:Wikimedia LGBT+ meetings for details and hopefully we'll have sorted out our ability to MassMessage about it too. (These meetings are open to anyone and include live interpretation between English and Spanish; if there is sufficient demand other languages can be accommodated on request.)

— OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 16:26, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Just realised I didn't update here when the August UG meeting is scheduled for. More information is on Meta at Wikimedia_LGBT/2023-08-09, but the key details are

The meeting will be conducted in English and Spanish, with a Spanish translator present.

• Date: Wed, 09 August, 2023
• Time: 1600 UTC (9:00am PT/12:00pm ET)
• GCal: Add link to your Google Calendar
• Location: Join Zoom Meeting https://us02web.zoom.us/j/82834966417, Meeting ID: 828 3496 6417.

The meeting will have an entry lobby, please reach out on the Telegram group if you are left waiting.

Hopefully see you there! — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 08:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Proposal to split MOS:GENDERID from Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography

Comments invited.

• Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Biography#Proposal_to_split_MOS:GENDERID_from_Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Biography

Bluerasberry (talk) 19:10, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Caitlyn Jenner misgendering and deadnaming on Kris Jenner article

I'm requesting input and help with this subject on the talk page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kris_Jenner. Reviewing the archives, there have been several attempts to edit and make changes to the page regarding this subject over the years, but it still currently does not reflect MOS:Gender Identity guidelines. Nfdgoisn (talk) 15:46, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Credibility bot

As this is a highly active WikiProject, I would like to introduce you to Credibility bot. This is a bot that makes it easier to track source usage across articles through automated reports and alerts. We piloted this approach at Wikipedia:Vaccine safety and we want to offer it to any subject area or domain. We need your support to demonstrate demand for this toolkit. If you have a desire for this functionality, or would like to leave other feedback, please endorse the tool or comment at WP:CREDBOT. Thanks! Harej (talk) 18:19, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

I've responded to this message on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red.--Ipigott (talk) 16:44, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Tag Georg Joachim Rheticus?

Today I learned of 16th century polymath Georg Joachim Rheticus because his story is featured in Queerstory: Forgotten Figures from Queer History, an anthology of plays which opened this weekend in San Francisco.[1] While his sexuality is not the most notable thing about Rheticus, it would appear that prejudice against it had a significant detrimental effect on his scientific career. His Wikipedia article is not currently tagged as being of interest to the LGBT studies project, but it seems like it might be, so I thought I would suggest it here. Cheers! GentlemanGhost (séance) 01:02, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

For what it's worth, Pamela Colman Smith is also featured in this anthology and also is not tagged for this WikiProject, though there is not much in her Wikipedia article at present that would warrant it. --GentlemanGhost (séance) 01:13, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Graphics request

But in reverse? Idk if this is the right place to ask, but I dabble in filling graphic requests and just started one relating to trans healthcare, except the person who requested it has since been banned. If anyone wants to help me find the data needed to create the map, pop over to the Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Map workshop#US State Map. The request was for a state map of healthcare bans, and even if the requester turned out to be a sock, it feels important. The goal is a map similar to the bathroom bill and Fairness in Women's Sports Act maps, but for Transgender rights in the United States#Treatment for minors. Any help filling in that table would be greatly appreciated! And if this is the wrong place to ask, can someone maybe point me in the right direction?
Thanks!
~ Argenti Aertheri^(Chat?) 08:52, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

LGBT in the Ottoman Empire

Hi – this seems like a very promising article on a notable subject. Not new as such, but could do with some copyedits from members of this Wikiproject if anyone is interested. Thanks 😊 GnocchiFan (talk) 14:34, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Interesting. I have a book by Leila Ahmed entitled Women and Gender in Islam, which I luckily kept from my college days, and there is some mentions of homosexuality in the Ottoman Empire on pages 104, lesbianism on page 121, and the argument on pages 185-186 that the subject of "affectional, erotic, and sexual love between woman" has been scarcely explored in scholarship of Egyptian and Arab society, seemingly during this period, with examples of Warda al-Yaziji and Jemileh Hanem noted. So if I have time, I'll add in information from there. Historyday01 (talk) 14:50, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

LGBTIQ+ (rights) organizations and distinctions

I wrote about this destinction before, but forgot where and now see it is still unresolved and would like to point to that not all LGBT+ organizations are focused on rights based work and we should make destinctions whenever possible :-)

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Talk:Q64606659

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALGBT_organization#not_to_forward_to_LGBT+_rights_organization Zblace (talk) 14:12, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Surely. The List of LGBT-related organizations and conferences doesn't even use the word "rights" in the title. Maybe LGBT rights organization should be changed to be more broad, back to LGBT organization? Historyday01 (talk) 14:40, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Questioning notability of Jorge Perez Evelyn

Partially copied from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Argentina

During arguments with another user over content within this article, which briefly included a WP:COMMONNAME argument, I have performed a WP:BEFORE on this subject and could not find any sources to establish notability for either of them. While my next step is an attempt at deletion, I do not see any success with a PROD, and while I would like to send one or both of these articles to AfD, I am currently not inclined, as my search was only limited to English language sources. Is there anyone more experienced with this subject able to assess this article and see if it's possible to AfD? I will support deletion if the arguments are strong enough. Thanks! Jalen Folf (talk) 20:18, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Demographics of gender identity page needed

Forgive me if this is the incorrect place to discuss this, but I have noticed that Wikipedia has a demographics of sexual orientation article, but not a demographics of gender identity article. In 2021, both Canada and the UK included transgender people in their censuses for the first time, so this might be a good time to begin. I would be happy to get one going, but am personally not much of a statistician.

I have also noticed that a majority of articles on cities include demography sections that cover population, ethnicity and religion, but hardly ever include any LGBT demographics. Is there any legitimate reason why this is the case, or do we need to start work on this also? Thanks! JamJamSvn (talk) 03:47, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Some rough estimates of this data exist at Transgender § Population figures and prevalence. I suspect a dedicated article does not exist because of the scarcity and limitation of statistics (explained in the aforementioned section). Likewise for smaller regions like cities, except perhaps those with particularly notable or prominent LGBT communities, a few of which are noted at Gay village § LGBT populations. –RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (💬 • 📝) 05:35, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Personally I don't think the demographics of sexual orientation page should really exist based on secondary sources, but that's me. I would say the current section on the transgender page is pretty good and could be updated with the figures you cite. Zenomonoz (talk) 05:56, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

LGBT and Wikipedia

There is interest in co-nominating LGBT and Wikipedia for Good article status. Last call for article improvements and/or talk page comments.

Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:13, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Thus Love, band

I recently created a draft for Thus Love, a band made up of three queer identifying people. Any help with expansion would be appreciated. Thriley (talk) 02:12, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

I have made some additions from the sources you provided, and standardised the citations to Wiki formatting guidelines. Chrisdevelop (talk) 17:03, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Gender critical feminism

There's a conversation happening about the lead of Gender-critical feminism on its talk page.

I have an incredibly busy month (not least I'm about to move country), so I can't engage as much as I would like. People might like to keep an eye on this discussion and make sure the conversation stays NPOV and doesn't become unrepresentatively pro-GC? —  OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 18:58, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Redirect category discussion

Hi! There’s currently a redirect discussion going on around the template shortcut {{R from deadname}}, and which redirect category it’d best be targeted at (or potentially become its own category?). I’m notifying WP:LGBT as this may be of interest to your WikiProject.

The discussion is at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 30 § Template:R from deadname.

Best, A smart kitten (talk) 19:26, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Opinions requested on Talk:Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull

There is a discussion at Talk:Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull#Addition of The Spinoff reference over whether a particular reference should be used. This is not a dispute about the actual content being referenced, just about whether adding The Spinoff as an additional reference to support the existing content is acceptable. The discussion has been rather thin and could really do with some fresh eyes on it. DanielRigal (talk) 23:07, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull has an RFC

Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Beccaynr (talk) 14:43, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Content Assessment rating requested

I am a major contributor to the article Derek Williams (musician), an LGBT+ activist with extensively documented history in New Zealand, Australia and since 2006, the UK. Since there is a substantial section on his LGBT+ activism in the article, I have recently added this Wikiproject to the Talk page, and it just needs someone else with experience in assessing for Wikiprojects to rate it on the project's Content Assessment Scale. The article itself has already been rated B-Class (low importance) by other editors in nominated music and biography projects after extensive vetting, so I am hoping this LGBT activism section meets a similar standard, and that it is relevant to this Wikiproject. If not, please suggest improvements below, or an alternative Wikiproject to approach! Thanks. Chrisdevelop (talk) 23:00, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

This has now been assessed as B-Class. Many thanks to Demt1298 (talk · contribs) for carrying this out. Chrisdevelop (talk) 22:47, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Pat Patterson (wrestler)#Requested move 1 September 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Pat Patterson (wrestler)#Requested move 1 September 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —usernamekiran (talk) 14:59, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

A Task Group Request: Creating a Task Group and its implication for importance assessment.

I noticed that there are few task groups active within this project. Have you considered a comprehensive set of task groups within the LGBT studies.

The specific reason I found it useful was the difference in importance assessment between the India and Women and gender issues in the talk page of NLSA v. Union of India (2014). The reason I propose this is because some articles might not be important within the LGBT studies, but could be highly important within a sub-domain. Some sub-domains for consideration:

• Country-wise: For example, India. There is already two: Canada and USA
• Subject-wise: For example, Law, Medicine, Psychology and Gender studies. There is already one: Biography.

Alternatively, if there is no interest in creating comprehensive set of task groups within the LGBT studies, Could you consider the following task force: Law / Case Law / LGBT in the India work group.

Additionally, I realize there is no importance assessment parameter within the WikiProject LGBT studies, is that a deliberate choice? Because, there is Core and Vital articles. If there was a deliberate decision to remove importance assessment parameter, could you consider adding it to the "Assessing articles" under Editing? It would help a new member like me can quickly understanding the policy stance of this WikiProject.

P.S I have been trying to find about Task Groups and Quality assessment, but it's confusing. If it is something I could have directly proposed without writing here in the talk page, I apologize. Please, if you don't mind, direct me towards appropriate page for proposing a Task Group within LGBT Studies. Nevertheless, I would still like to hear your thoughts on a comprehensive set of Task Groups and Importance Assessment. Wiki6995 (talk) 12:06, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Requested input on Talk: LGBT rights in Thailand

Good afternoon. There is a discussion taking place over a suggested language update on Talk:LGBT rights in Thailand, under "Adjusting phrasing in Gender identity section". I kindly invite editors from this project to take a look and weigh in. Thank you. -SlipknotRlZZ (talk) 21:13, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Eyeballs, please: a Wiki Education course about to hit a dozen articles in this space

Hello, all. Please consider adding some or all of these articles to your watchlist if they're not already there, as they are the subject of Wikipedia Education course Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/California State University Fullerton/Gender and Technoculture 320-01 (Fall 2023):

• Cybersex trafficking
• Drag king
• Drag queen
• Gay icon
• Gender bender
• Homosocialization
• Intersectionality
• Missing women
• Prostitution in the United States
• Sex and gender distinction
• Transgender health care
• Transgender hormone therapy
• Transphobia
• Women and religion

And if you're already watchlisting them, please watch for edits by registered users you don't recognize, in case it's one of the students. As for all new users, please WP:DONTBITE, but on the other hand, no need to use kid gloves either; you should treat these users no differently than you would any new user. (The only difference, perhaps, is that if you notice a pattern requiring attention, you could notify User:Brianda (Wiki Ed), who is the Wikipedia content expert monitoring this course.) Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 07:16, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for including me on here @Mathglot. Like Mathglot mentioned, if anything comes up in regards to student editing, feel free to ping me. Thx Brianda (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:56, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Gardnerian Wicca § RfC on Open Letter

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Gardnerian Wicca § RfC on Open Letter.

 Discussion ongoing: Although not a page under this Wikiproject, the discussion is on the Gardnerian Wicca#Controversy Over Transgender Inclusion section of the article.

Peaceray (talk) 00:39, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Feedback request at Queer theory

Your feedback would be appreciated at Talk:Queer theory#Criticisms section doesn't have any of the most serious criticisms. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 09:00, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for this. Just contributed my reply. Historyday01 (talk) 14:05, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Requested input on Draft:Parental rights movement

Hello all, I recently began an article Draft:Parental rights movement because I noticed a shift in language used by conservative commentators and politicians using parental rights as a red-herring. I wanted to clear up the space and begin an article to describe the so-called movement. I would like to invite editors who may be interested in this article to weigh in. Thanks! MicrobiologyMarcus (talk) 19:15, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I am not sure this lacks notability to justify it's own article, given the LGBT grooming conspiracy theory and the fact that articles do not specifically refer to a "parental rights movement" ??? Zenomonoz (talk) 04:28, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

I have to agree. Historyday01 (talk) 13:29, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

This is already covered under the LGBT grooming conspiracy theory as well as the bigger context article of 2020s anti-LGBT movement in the United States, so yet another article is counter to the context clause of WP:NOPAGE. But as you moved the article into the main space, someone has now nominated the article for deletion with said reference to the articles that already cover it - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Parental rights movement Raladic (talk) 05:09, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Yup. Another case of someone moving an article to the mainspace TOO soon. In this case, the page created by the OP shouldn't have been created in the first place. I had this issue earlier this year with some TV shows I was creating pages for (I created a draft page and then someone copied the text without attribution to a new page, resulting in two pages on the same subject). It was a big headache. Historyday01 (talk) 14:06, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Paulie Calafiore

New article about American television personality / athlete Paulie Calafiore at AfD. Discussion participation and/or article improvements welcome.

---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:26, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

AfDs for three episodes of Steven Universe

Recently, a user has nominated the articles The Answer (Steven Universe), Cry for Help (Steven Universe), and Mindful Education, claiming they are nominating it per WP:BRV, "especially in regards to off-wiki information between the creator of the article and Steven Universe, which I won't describe here but suffice to say could be considered a violation of WP:G5." I would like these discussions to get more attention, so they don't fall under the radar. To leave your comment, please go to:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mindful Education

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cry for Help (Steven Universe)

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Answer (Steven Universe)

These deletion discussions may be of interest to members of this project. Historyday01 (talk) 16:46, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Feedback request on List of fictional non-binary characters

Your feedback on a discussion, about whether 19 characters in animation, comics/manga, live-action television, video games, webcomics, and other mediums should be included on the list of fictional non-binary characters, would be appreciated at Talk:List of fictional non-binary characters#Removal of entries. Thanks! Historyday01 (talk) 13:23, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Draft:The Abbey (bar)

Hi all, I have started a draft for the Weho gay bar The Abbey. Feel free to join in. Wracking ^talk! 06:47, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Queer organizations and Queer literature categories

Notifying the WikiProject that there is a merge discussion here for the categories Category:Queer organizations and Category:Queer literature. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 19:10, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Adding that the categories Category:Queer magazines and Category:Queer-related mass media are also being discussed. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 19:16, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Previous proposal for merging these and other queer-related categories: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 9#Queer_categories--Trystan (talk) 22:48, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Help pls

I would like to join but do not know how pls help I know it sounds dumb but as a person who is bi I would like to join DON'T CRY BY GUN'S N ROSES (talk) 18:27, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@DON'T CRY BY GUN'S N ROSES: Hello and welcome! This WikiProject is a group for people who want to collaborate to improve Wikipedia's articles about LGBT topics. It's important to know that Wikipedia is not a discussion forum or a special club, but rather, a movement with the goal of building an encyclopedia.

The Wikipedia Adventure is a great way to familiarize yourself with the basics of editing. We have various policies and guidelines (see WP:Five Pillars and WP:Simplified ruleset) which govern what content and discussion is acceptable. We can't publish information based on original research or insider knowledge.

You can sign up at our Members List if you like, but all you need to do to "join" is discuss or contribute to articles within the project's scope (such as core topics, vital articles, and popular pages). The To-Do List at the top of the page has some suggestions on ways you can help. Fixing typos in articles, monitoring watchlisted articles for vandalism, and adding citations to reliable sources are all very helpful tasks to try.

–RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (💬 • 📝) 18:55, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

thx DON'T CRY BY GUN'S N ROSES (talk) 18:57, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Proposed split at Anti-LGBT rhetoric

I have proposed a split on this article's talk page - please see there for further info. Extra eyes and thoughts on this article would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. GnocchiFan (talk) 15:39, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Talk:Anti-LGBT rhetoric § Split proposal –RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (💬 • 📝) 16:21, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Requested input on Talk:Sex

There's a discussion on Talk:Sex that may be of interest to this WikiProject. Loki (talk) 19:58, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

The sex article (which mostly covers biological sex in other animals and plants) is not even listed of interest to Wikiproject LGBT studies. Seems an odd place to seek input. Zenomonoz (talk) 21:48, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

A WikiProject does not need to specifically declare an article in-scope to receive a neutral notification that a particular discussion may interest it. Differing definitions of sex are relevant to various trans and intersex issues, and thus to LGBT studies as a whole. –RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (💬 • 📝) 01:05, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Requested input on Talk:Janelle Monáe

There's a discussion on Talk:Janelle Monáe about whether to change Monáe's pronouns, in the article, to they/them (the pronouns currently used are she/her) and if Monáe's choice of pronoun order should impact the pronouns used in the biography article. Historyday01 (talk) 21:22, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Question about quotations

I was reading the Inception article, and it says this:

Nolan said that Page was chosen for being a "perfect combination of freshness and savvy and maturity beyond [his] years".

Is there a policy relating to the substitution of her for his? I'm sure there is. Thanks in advance! Cessaune [talk] 04:05, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Cessaune. See the guideline MOS:GENDERID, particularly "Paraphrase, elide, or use square brackets to replace portions of quotations to avoid deadnaming or misgendering, except in rare cases where exact wording cannot be avoided, as where there is a pun on the notable former name, etc." Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:13, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! That's what I was looking for. Cessaune [talk] 04:17, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Requested input on Draft:Michael Helquist

I've prepared a draft of a page about Michael Helquist - a biography of a living person. Helquist was an early AIDS journalist and is a long-time AIDS survivor. I would welcome any input and questions. While the submission was declined earlier this year for inadequate sources, I've added a large number since then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Michael_Helquist Ddwiki33 (talk) 18:09, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Westenbroek v. Kappa Kappa Gamma Fraternity

I was reading about Artemis Langford in the Washington Post and was surprised the case didn't have an article so I started a stub. Love any assistance -- I don't typically edit in the area of law. Thanks either way! Star Mississippi 17:41, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Requested input on Talk:Transgender

There is a dispute on Talk:Transgender#Revert over whether we have sufficient sourcing to describe the murder of Rita Hester as an "an anti-transgender hate crime". Discussion so far has lacked many participants. It would be good to get some more eyes on it. --DanielRigal (talk) 13:47, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

LGBT and Wikipedia

LGBT and Wikipedia has been re-nominated for Good article status. Article improvements and feedback on the talk page welcome! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:02, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Invitation to join Wikimedia LGBT+

Wikimedia LGBT+

Wikimedia LGBT+ is the Wikimedia movement affiliate where LGBT+ people and editors organize to advocate for LGBT+ interests.

In November 2023 the organization will host its first board election for trustees. This is part of a process to formalize the activities of the organization. I am writing now to

1. invite interested people to apply for membership
2. encourage volunteers to nominate themselves for candidates in the Wikimedia LGBT+ 2023 election
3. call for any bureaucratically-minded Wikimedia LGBT+ members to join in the election process and the election committee
4. make the standing offer to discuss Wikimedia LGBT+ with others at the monthly online meetup, the next of which is meta:Wikimedia LGBT/2023-10-19
5. request feedback on Wikimedia LGBT+'s request for US$100,000 from the Wikimedia Foundation, Sustaining Wikimedia LGBT+

As has always been the case with LGBT+ people, if you do not represent yourself, then somebody else will speak for you and your interests. If you do not see yourself represented in this group, then you are welcome to represent yourself. The Wikimedia Foundation namedrops the LGBT+ community in much of their outreach and branding. This group may be able to offer members a special opportunity to respond to high-level calls for comment on what LGBT+ people think and feel.

If anyone has questions then ask here or through any of the above links. Thanks. Bluerasberry (talk) 20:02, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Spain's drag artists

Many drag artists from Spain have articles on Wikipedia in Spanish. It would be of great help if any editor is interested in translating any of them.

• Marcus Massalami
• Nico Elsker
• La Caneli
• Arantxa Castilla-La Mancha
• La Esmeralda de Sevilla
• Laura Corbacho
• Santi Lesmes
• Sandra Montiel
• Morfina (drag queen)
• Nacha la Macha
• Drag Noa
• Paco España
• Peka Mimosa
• Vicente Vadillo Santamaría
• Violeta la Burra
• Vivian Caoba
• Yogurinha Borova

Peridotito (talk) 17:33, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

FAR for Mário de Andrade

I have nominated Mário de Andrade for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 (talk) 15:52, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Kit Cunningham

Link: Talk:Kit Cunningham#Sexual orientation claims. George Ho (talk) 09:33, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Request for review of new article

Draft:Gay and Lesbian Teachers and Students Association (GaLTaS) has just moved to Draft. Please review, and place comments on the article's Talk page. Thanks! Chrisdevelop (talk) 20:26, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Requested move on LGBT to LGBT (initialism)

I would like to bring attention to Talk:LGBT#Requested move 20 October 2023. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:48, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Related to this discussion, I have created a draft on "LGBT" as a broader subject. Note that no clear consensus for instituting such an article is in place yet, but I invite anyone to work on it regardless. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:23, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Requested input on Talk:Shipping (fandom)

There's a discussion on Talk:Shipping (fandom) about whether (or not) to add a section about antis/anti-shippers to the article. Your input would be appreciated. Historyday01 (talk) 17:27, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Michael Cohen (American musician)

Could someone from this WikiProject take a look at Michael Cohen (American musician)? The subject of the article most likely did die in 1997, but the only source cited is someone's web blog. I was able to find this article about Cohen which mentions that he died in November 1997 and also listed a cause of death, but I'm not sure it's reliable. Maybe someone else could take a look at it and assess it for Wikipedia's purposes? -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:04, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Hmm, some digging on newspapers.com (via the Wikipedia Library, for anyone interested) finds an obituary for a Michael Cohen who died on 28 November 1997 aged 46, but there's no evidence that it is Michael Cohen the folk singer – the obituaries describe him as an executive at a bag manufacturing company and have him married to a woman. There's a folk singer called Michael Cohen who is apparently based in Washington State and was definitely alive past 1997, but that seems to be a different person – according to the National Parks Service he was involved in the folk music scene in the 1950s, which seems too early for a singer supposedly born in 1951. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 12:09, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

On the other hand Smithsonian Folkways, who published two of his albums, give his dates as 1951-1997 here so maybe those dates are accurate and the other Michael Cohen is just a coincidence Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 12:15, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Requested input on Talk:The Venture Bros.

There's a discussion on Talk:The Venture Bros. about whether to include a dedicated section about LGBTQ+ characters within the "Themes, homages, and references" section of the The Venture Bros. page. Some users are claiming that LGBTQ+ characters aren't an "important part of the show" while others are attesting that such characters and themes should have their own section. Historyday01 (talk) 18:12, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

I'm not really sure I understand this, isn't this making a bigger deal of the character's sexuality than the show itself does, which feels like it violates the spirit of notability. Antisymmetricnoise (talk) 23:55, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Erin Swenson

Hello all - I have created a new article on Erin Swenson, a trans woman Presbyterian Minister from the United States. If anyone has any more information or improvements to the article, please let me know. Thank you. GnocchiFan (talk) 23:23, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

David Velasco, editor in chief of Artforum

I just created an article for David Velasco. He was recently fired from his position at Artforum over the magazine’s publication of a letter signed by thousands of artists in support of a ceasefire in Gaza. Any help with the article would be appreciated. Thriley (talk) 04:23, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for posting this. Just updated the page and I understand why you posted about him here.Historyday01 (talk) 14:20, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

I'll be honest, I don't. Not really sure how this is a WikiProject LGBT subject concern Antisymmetricnoise (talk) 00:04, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

He's a member of the LGBTQ+ community, that means his biography is in-scope for the WikiProject. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 15:07, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I wasn't sure about that at first, myself, but found an article where he talked about his boyfriend. Historyday01 (talk) 03:55, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

RFC relevant to this WikiProject

Hello! I'm posting here to notify this WikiProject that an RFC that may be relevant to it has started regarding the definition of sex. Loki (talk) 07:58, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Reassessment requested for Importance level on a C-class article

Talk:Gay and Lesbian Teachers and Students Association

Currently set at C-Class, which is probably about right. However, a great deal of work has been done since the article was created, so can someone please take a look and see if this should be changed to Mid Importance in the Education Project category (I have also posted the request on that Talk page)? Chrisdevelop (talk) 22:41, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Ball culture requested move and Sol Pendavis Williams

Requested move and redirect for discussion (Sol Pendavis Williams) over at Talk:Ball culture - any input from this WikiProject would be appreciated! GnocchiFan (talk) 19:58, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

LGBT theatre

I have just created a very inadequate stub article about LGBT theatre. Would people be interested in expanding it, and creating links to it from other relevant articles?

I've also created List of LGBT theatre companies, which is similarly impoverished, as it is limited entirely to Anglophone countries. Perhaps this should be updated to a more global perspective, together with the addition of the relevant articles? — The Anome (talk) 16:33, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Infobox gender and sexual identity

Template:Infobox gender and sexual identity has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|she) 12:51, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Ball culture#Requested move 13 November 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Ball culture#Requested move 13 November 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —usernamekiran (talk) 03:46, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Peer review of LGBT in the Ottoman Empire

Hi everyone - just letting this WikiProject know that a Peer Review of LGBT in the Ottoman Empire (with the intention of improving this to Good Article status) is currently under way. If anyone has anything to add to the article / review, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! GnocchiFan (talk) 17:17, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Requesting peer review for Draft:Trans history in Brazil

I just finished translating Draft:Trans history in Brazil (wrote it on eswiki first) and would appreciate some peer review before I publish! Thanks in advance, Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 21:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC) (formerly the TheTranarchist)

Looks like a good contribution. Two things I might recommend, but feel free to disagree:

• The lead might be a little long. Particularly the third paragraph which names 6 different organisations. No doubt such groups are important, but if this part was briefer it gives people a reason to read on (MOS:LEAD) and find the details in the body.
• The name trans history vs transgender history. I guess 'transgender history' is more formal, and might be just a little clearer for a general audience. But naming conventions change (e.g. we mostly say gay rather than homosexual today) so I'm open minded on this. I guess 'transgender history in Brazil' might make the article easier to find (both on wiki in searches and in Google) but that's a small tidbit.

You have made a thorough and much needed contribution. Well done.

Zenomonoz (talk) 22:19, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I was worried about the first point myself and will try to summarize it further. For the second, I'd support having "transgender history" as a redirect, but the sources are clear that trans is the umbrella term used in the country, particularly due to the fact travestis are such as a large chunk of the trans population and don't consider themselves transgender. Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 22:26, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Great. Your explanation on the naming convention persuaded me. A redirect sounds fine. Zenomonoz (talk) 22:36, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Per the discussion that kicked off at Talk:History of transgender people in Finland#Requested move 21 November 2023, bringing this over here.

Due to various policies on en-wiki, WP:CONSISTENT most prominently, the article should still be called Transgender, as that is the WP:COMMONNAME used in en-wiki, thus following WP:ENGLISHNAME as the Umbrella term for Trans identities (wikt:en:transgender), whereas Trans is an ambiguous abbrevation and should be avoided per WP:TITLEFORMAT.

This itself is also consistent with the sibling article of Transgender rights in Brazil, which also uses the term Transgender, even though it discusses the rights at large and also mentions Travesti.

The article should absolutetely have a paragraph section that actually discusses the term and how it's use is contentious in Brazil, which itself appears to be historically rooted, reading the Terminology section on Travesti (gender identity). Raladic (talk) 18:46, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

I think a terminology section is a great idea! There's already some mention chronologically in the body (mention of various genders in the 60s and the rejection of transgender and move to trans in the late 90s) and during my research I came upon many relevant sources I can pull from in addition to those in the Travesti article. Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 19:49, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

I've made some edits, mostly basic copy edits. Let me know if you have questions. Given the article's content, I think Trans history in Brazil is the appropriate title and that all associated sub-titles should be redirects (e.g, Travesti history in Brazil).

Scattered notes: See MOS:SCAREQUOTES; I removed a lot of unnecessary (non-scare) quotation marks, but double-check that all other uses are appropriate. The lead is still too long (see MOS:LEADLENGTH for guidance); removing most names/mentions of specific events should help pare it down. Other than that, I think this article is a bit under-linked – take advantage of the wonderful {{Lang}} template (which I botched linking in my edit summary haha).

Seriously, a great contribution!

Wracking ^talk! 08:44, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I think they all seem appropriate at this point. And agree on the travesti redirect, on eswiki we made redirects for transgender, transsexual, and travesti. I trimmed the lead further and added some more interlanguage links! Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 17:58, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Now published! I also created the redirects and added/fixed links to it on various articles/templates. Peer review still welcome ofc. Best regards, Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 02:30, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Keith Griffith

I created a page for AIDS and sexual activist Keith Griffith. However, in set up I erred, and created the page with his unused first name of Darrell. Darrell_Keith_Griffith When I went to move it to 'Keith Griffith' there was an auto conflict due to a prexisting page for a baseball player of the same name. Ugh! If someone knows how to create a disambiguation page, and then rename the page, please do. MisterWizzy (talk) 10:28, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

I named it Keith Griffith (activist). If it turns out that this Keith Griffith is more popular than that Keith Griffith, it can be switched around. Let me know if you have any questions! Wracking ^talk! 08:52, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks so much MisterWizzy (talk) 08:37, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:History of transgender people in Finland#Requested move 21 November 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:History of transgender people in Finland#Requested move 21 November 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 10:19, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Some additional context for everyone: the proposal is to move articles titled History of transgender people in X to Transgender history in X.

• The table I posted below shows the current state of our articles/redirects of that ilk.
• The move would effect the articles for Finland, United Kingdom, United States, and Brazil

Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 19:55, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Transgender history/rights in X

I just finished some tables on the current state of our articles of the format "Transgender history in X"/"Transgender rights in X". I think y'all would be interested as it's a decent guide for the work that's already done and needs to be done. Additional notes/edits to the table are welcome! It's currently located at User:Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist/sandbox but if people are interested I could move it to a subpage of this project or something. Best regards, Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 19:50, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Pinging @Raladic and @Maddy from Celeste since we were discussing this. Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 19:57, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

I probably won't have time to do anything with this in the immediate future (I'm in the middle of reviewing a very substantial number of gender studies sources for Cisnormativity), but I would definitely support finding a permanent home for this very useful list. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 20:07, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

LGBT history in New England

Hi all, I've been working on some pages covering American LGBT history in New England (so far, LGBT history in Massachusetts, Draft:LGBT history in Connecticut, and Draft:LGBT history in Rhode Island). Any contributions are welcome! ForsythiaJo (talk) 23:06, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Sure! I did some work on that a while back, and if I have time, I'll get back in the swing of that again. Historyday01 (talk) 00:51, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Invitation template

I have created an template to invite editors to the project, located at Template:WikiProject LGBT studies invite. Please have a look at it & suggest any changes here. Peaceray (talk) 16:47, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Request for help: Brittney Chantele

I've written an article about Brittney Chantele, a queer musician, artist, and activist. The article was declined for style and I'm hoping that someone can help me with it so that it can be published: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Brittney_Chantele - I'd really appreciate it! Lovemedead (talk) 17:05, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @Lovemedead! At a glance, it looks like most of the sources in your draft are either interviews with Chantele, or announcements and the like. In order to write neutrally, you should find sources that fulfill the test at WP:42. That is, they should be reliable, independent of Chantele, and they must provide significant coverage of them, meaning they should talk about them in some length. Then, write your article looking at these and only these sources. Some minor details may be completed using other kinds of sources, but these are the most important ones. Hope this helps. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 18:33, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Lovemedead (talk) 21:20, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

I've gone in and done some copyediting (rephrasing, removing overlinking, some ref cleanup) and tried to remove some statements that might be interpreted as promotional. I'll second Maddy from Celeste, if possible you should also find some more non-interview sources about Chantele. Best of luck! :) ForsythiaJo (talk) 18:54, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Lovemedead (talk) 21:20, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

How/if to mention preferred pronoun in an article?

Specifically Desmond is Amazing. It's currently in an invisible note, I just reverted an in-text mention. What is the WP-good way here? Source for "they" is [2]. Also, more eyes on the article can't hurt, it has a troubled past. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:10, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Many articles add a footnote to the first pronoun referring to the subject, and/or mention it in the "Personal life" section. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 10:14, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! I actually did add it as a footnote at one point, but someone changed it to hidden text. Is there any written guidance on this particular point? Atm, there are no sections, but that may come. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:21, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

No guidelines on this that I know of, it's just what I have seen done at a number of articles. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 10:24, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

The relevant guideline on pronoun use is MOS:GENDERID (with the explanatory supplement MOS:GIDINFO); neither seems to explicitly discuss this. Agree with Maddy that the explanatory footnote strategy is one which seems to be frequently used, and it seems sensible to me. (This somewhat related RfC found that, specifically for articles about subjects who use neopronouns, Wikipedia should use singular they but mention the subject's pronoun preference in the article, and mentions footnotes as one possible place to include this mention). Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 14:28, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

No objection from me. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:06, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

For subjects that go by singular they or neopronouns, I usually include that information, with citations, in the text of the "personal life" section. I will often do the same for non-binary subjects who go by binary pronouns, as well-meaning editors sometimes mistake binary pronouns for misgendering in such cases. Funcrunch (talk) 19:57, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@Maddy from Celeste, @Funcrunch, could you each link me a couple of examples you consider good? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:14, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

maia arson crimew, a GA, has the footnote after the name because she also uses a lowercase name and the footnote is then also used for the pronouns. Elliot Page has the footnote after a pronoun like I described. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 10:40, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Here are a few relevant trans/nb bios I started: Megan Rohrer, Leah Harvey, Jin Maley. Funcrunch (talk) 17:24, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Damn, I didn't know Foundation was a tv-series. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:36, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

It's very, very different from the books from what I understand, but I love it. (Sorry, off-topic...) Funcrunch (talk) 18:48, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Well, I started it, didn't I? ;-) I'd expect as much, Asimov didn't really do action. He did do THE PRIME OF LIFE though, great poem. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:55, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

"There are only two true sexualities" she asserted, "those for whom Lee Pace is an option, and those for whom he is not. And if I ever finally meet a member of that latter group, I'm going to ask them to explain." -- Nat Gertler (talk) 18:55, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Mary East

The article for Mary East/James How is in a pretty dire state. The article is named Mary East and opens by describing the subject as “a female dressed as a man”, but the rest of the article calls the subject James How, uses he/him, and uses terms such as “pre-transition” and “dead name”, implying that the subject’s gender identity was definitely male. Plus, from what I can tell, the subject’s gender identity is nowhere near clear enough to make any definitive claims one way or the other. I’m not sure of the standards for situations like this, so I’m mentioning it here. MRN2electricboogaloo (talk) 06:56, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

A section in the article (or at least some sort of mention) probably needs to be made specifically addressing why it's so hard to know this person's exact gender identity in my opinion. Since it's an issue with a lot of historical cases since we can never really know if people were presenting as the opposite gender because they felt more conformable that way or just because it was the only way they could be in same-sex relationships, it feels appropriate to address in an article about a person who falls into this issue.

I will say I agree that usage of terms like pre-transition and deadname might not be appropriate since we cant really know this person's gender identity, especially considering they didn't have the same language we do today in order to describe their gender. I do think referring to them as James How is appropriate though since that's the name they lived most of their life under. Maybe instead of dead name just using the phrase former name / birth name would be more appropriate? I've also just been using they/them for them since it feels like the best way to not try to retroactively decide this person's gender either way and think that the article doing that as well might be the right step.

I will acknowledge I'm writing this comment without doing much research into the issue, if sources are found that can directly support one way or the other how this person identified my opinions obviously change. However like I said, in a lot of cases those sources don't exist.

Sillypilled (talk) 18:25, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Gloria Meneses

Help from a Spanish speaker? I started an article for Uruguayan activist Gloria Meneses, who is *sometimes* described as Uruguay's first trans woman. I'd appreciate some help with the Spanish sources, in particular distinguishing between 'transvestite' and trans woman. I worked from a translation of the ES page and added further content, but am now doubting myself a little. TIA. Lajmmoore (talk) 20:50, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

@Lajmmoore, thanks for creating the article! I looked through the sources and want to note the sources don't use transvestite, they use travesti (see Travesti (gender identity) - best summarized as a transfeminine third gender). No worries about mistranslating, that's a common mistake to make. She seems to have been proud to be one of the first out travestis, so without sources saying she explicitly labelled herself a trans woman as well I'd recommend updating the article to note she's considered the first travesti. Best regards, Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 22:01, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you SO MUCH - I think that misinterpretation is a google translate issue. I am so pleased I asked, and I'll fix it now! Thank you for taking the time Lajmmoore (talk) 22:05, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

No problem! I've ran into the same issue with google translate lol Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 22:24, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

LGBT culture in Istanbul

I am working on LGBT culture in Istanbul, if any project members are interested in collaborating. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:10, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Related: Rainbow stairs ---Another Believer _(Talk) 12:30, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Stacy Layne Matthews

I have nominated Stacy Layne Matthews for Good article status, if any project members are interested in reviewing or otherwise improving. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:28, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:53, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Jaidynn Diore Fierce

I've nominated Jaidynn Diore Fierce for Good article status, if any project members are interested in reviewing or otherwise improving. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:54, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Gender and Jewish studies

This looks to be a very detailed article with lots of references, but I can't help but feel that the article reads very essay-like at the moment. If any editors in this WikiProject would be interested in improving this article, I think this has great potential. GnocchiFan (talk) 14:05, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#RfC to limit the inclusion of the deadname of deceased transgender or non-binary persons, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. Sideswipe9th (talk) 21:25, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:List of bisexual characters in television

There is an ongoing discussion at Talk:List of bisexual characters in television#Non-binary bisexuals on adding non-binary bisexual characters to this page of bisexual television characters. Some have proposed either adding non-binary as a category, scrapping the "Female" and "Male" divisions of the page, to make a list without gender sub-divisions, or only adding non-binary characters to the List of fictional non-binary characters and not to this list. Your comments would be greatly appreciated. Historyday01 (talk) 04:53, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Madame LaQueer

I am interested in nominating Madame LaQueer for Good article status soon. Inviting project members to take a look and also share any Spanish-language sources that might be useful for further expansion. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:30, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Mercedes Iman Diamond

I've also nominated Mercedes Iman Diamond for Good article status. Unfortunately, I am unable to find any images of her at Wikimedia Commons, if anyone's able to find free images elsewhere. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:23, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Alexander Andreevich Alexandrov

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadezhda_Durova <- this article is severely lacking in its coverage of Alexander's self-identity. I've added some helpful links here, but I don't feel comfortable editing wikipedia myself.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/slavic-review/article/unmaking-of-a-man-aleksandr-aleksandrovnadezhda-durova/CDC8F891B0CE97B22F3764BD14425730 https://muse.jhu.edu/pub/427/article/876985 Sock-the-guy (talk) 23:43, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Rykener

Hello, I'm notifying this Wikiproject about a discussion related to renaming the article on a medieval LGBT individual. The article in question is currently titled John/Eleanor Rykener. Ckoerner (talk) 01:19, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

DiDa Ritz

Another Good article nominee: drag queen DiDa Ritz

---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:23, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Drag kings

The number of biographies about drag kings on Wikipedia is still very low, perhaps it could be expanded a little through the translation of these two articles:

• Marcus Massalami
• Nico Elsker

--Peridotito (talk) 19:27, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Jeanne Hoff, first openly trans psychiatrist to treat trans patients, has died

I just created an article for Jeanne Hoff. Any help would be appreciated. Thriley (talk) 17:58, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Jarvis Hammer

Jarvis Hammer, contestant of the current season of The Boulet Brothers' Dragula now has an article in spanish.

• Jarvis Hammer

--Peridotito (talk) 19:44, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Ancient Judaism Recognized Wide Variety of Genders, Scholars Say

[3] I don't know if this is useful or even new. Doug Weller talk 13:34, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Mentioned somewhat in Gender and Jewish studies, which is an article that could do with greater attention for improvement from this WikiProject IMO. GnocchiFan (talk) 20:50, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Drag Isn't Dangerous

Drag Isn't Dangerous is nominated for GA status, any improvements are welcomed! — JuanGLP (talk/contribs) 19:51, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Recieved good article status. — JuanGLP (talk/contribs) 22:39, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Congrats! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:02, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Perry High school shooting

Hey folks.

There's a bunch of speculation currently on social media and some unreliable sources (think Daily Mail equivalents) about the gender identity of the perpetrator of the recent Perry High School shooting. I don't think anything has actually been confirmed either in reliable sources or by authorities at this stage beyond the shooter's name, age, and death. I'd appreciate it if folks could add this to your watchlists and keep an eye out for any unsourced or poorly sourced content being added over the next few hours. Thanks. Sideswipe9th (talk) 01:19, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Massive expansion of "Transmedicalism"

Can someone else please look at this massive expansion of Transmedicalism. I'm inclined to revert it entirely as a few spotchecks show the new statements are either unreferenced or synthesis (using sources that do not use the term "transmedicalism" or similar). It appears to largely be a history of transgender healthcare.

However, I wonder if anything is worth saving, whether within Transmedicalism or incorporated into a different article. — Bilorv (talk) 21:58, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for raising this. I've reverted the changes as the changes clearly change the existing consensus of the page and have requested page protection be added to the article per WP:GENSEX for contentious articles. Raladic (talk) 22:23, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Feels like someone copy pasted a chunk of their Thesis in. Definitely plenty of synthesis. Antisymmetricnoise (talk) 17:28, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Troilus

Troilus has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:32, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Unsourced edits to Transvestic fetishism

Can someone please look at some recent unsourced edits on transvestic fetishism - I have tagged the article accordingly. Thank you. GnocchiFan (talk) 20:37, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Discussion on Talk:List of fictional non-binary characters

A discussion at Talk:List of fictional non-binary characters#Are they/them pronouns and/or neopronouns enough (on their own) to say a character is non-binary? may be of interest to this project. It considers whether usage of they/them pronouns or neopronouns by (or for) characters is enough, on its own, for inclusion on a list of fictional nonbinary characters. Your comments would be appreciated. Thanks! Historyday01 (talk) 19:56, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Moved "List of LGBT-related suicides" to "List of suicides of LGBT people"

Anyone is free to revert, but please read my reasoning prior to doing so. Sincerely, Novo Tape^{My Talk Page} 18:48, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Invite to join the February 2024 Unreferenced Backlog Drive

WikiProject Unreferenced articles | February 2024 Backlog Drive

LGBT-related topics are under-covered on Wikipedia, with lots of uncited articles and stubs. This drive want to change that. Articles with at least one reliable citation would be much more resistant to PRODs or AFDs. So join in the Wikipedia-wide drive and slay Category:Articles without sources for once and all! Barnstars will be awarded based on the number of articles cited. Remember to tag your edit summary with [[WP:FEB24]], both to advertise the event and tally the points later using Edit Summary Search. Interested in taking part? Sign up here.

CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 15:11, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

New draft: Asexual flag

I tried to write about it in Draft:Asexual flag, but I don't know how much information about it exists or is registred. Any input/help? History, gallery with photographs, suggestions, etc. MikutoH (talk) 01:16, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Short term idea on Drag Names and sorting

Copied from Wikipedia:WikiProject Drag Race

I think that creating a hatnote for the Drag Names would be useful, something like what is in Category:Hatnote_templates_for_names. I'm not sure any of those exactly match what is needed here, but we can make our own. I'd like to use Bianca Del Rio, BenDelaCreme, Dwayne Cooper (Milan) and Monica Beverly Hillz as samples.

Something like "In this article, the person is referred to by their drag name: Bianca Del Rio. The ending part of the drag name should not be used as a Last Name and the person should be referred to by their entire drag name when referring to the performer while in their drag persona"

Capitalize the phrase "drag name"? Have *different* a different hatnote for Dwayne Cooper, we could probably use an argument to indicate that the article name shouldn't be used, but rather a specific drag name?Naraht (talk) 19:26, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

April Ashley birth name.

Recently there have been some bold edits, following up a non-consensus talk discussion, re-adding the birth name. I reverted the first one as it did not answer the standing talk page question about notability under the birth name, and felt like it failed the undue weight rationale behind MOS:DEADNAME. However I have hesitated to immediately revert a second change which has shown a clear attempt to balance the weight better, and with a high quality biographical source. I still think that in essence, re-adding the birth name is in itself an attempt to put weight on it that is not provided by any sources.

I have added a section to the talk page. Antisymmetricnoise (talk) 15:59, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Mixed he/they or she/they pronouns

There's a growing number of trans and non-binary people who use mixed pronouns like he/they and she/they. While we have he/him, she/her, and they/them redirects, we don't have he/they, she/they, or any other common variants. Should we create redirects for mixed pronouns like this? If so what would be the target? Or is mixed pronoun use like this perhaps notable enough a topic for its own article, and then we could redirect mixed used pronouns like this to that new article? Sideswipe9th (talk) 21:04, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't think mixed pronoun use merits a whole article, but maybe a section of English personal pronouns. Funcrunch (talk) 21:36, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

I'd support such a section. Historyday01 (talk) 22:54, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Yeah that sounds like it'd be a good idea. Subsection of English personal pronouns#Gender looks like it'd fit. I'll see if I can draft up section tomorrow and then make some redirects. Sideswipe9th (talk) 02:25, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

This section is written extremely concisely. I would recommend any addition take care to meet the single compact line length of the description of other pronoun configurations. Antisymmetricnoise (talk) 16:05, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Rapid-onset gender dysphoria controversy#Requested move 29 January 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Rapid-onset gender dysphoria controversy#Requested move 29 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:27, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

2023 Starbucks strike at AfD

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2023 Starbucks strike

---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:18, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Help!

Due to a merge and some bizarre edits parts of LGBT reproduction no longer make sense. For example, it's not entirely clear what this sentence means, "many gay transgender men choose to freeze their eggs before transitioning". I'm going to try my best to correct the article but I don't have rollback rights so if someone who is familiar with this article could have a look at it that would be great because the last thing I want to do is try to fix it and make an even bigger mess of things.𝔓^420°𝔓^Holla 08:54, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

I've tried to clean it up. If anyone else wants to weigh in on the removal of the omegaverse section, I'd appreciate it. It seems a bit odd, if not insulting, to add the fictional kink universe to the topic of real people and reproduction. If anything, the section 'in popular culture' could be used to showcase films and celebrities who are queer and have children. Sock-the-guy (talk) 20:32, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

I've removed the omegaverse section and will replace it with examples from media and celebrities later. I agree that it felt very irrelevant. AnnelidKing (talk) 09:59, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Queer art#Requested move 11 February 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Queer art#Requested move 11 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Killarnee (talk) 19:37, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Leeds conference: Transvestism and Transsexuality in Modern Society

Hello folks, Just dropping a line here about an article for a conference I started. Lajmmoore (talk) 11:47, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

We're also running an in person introduction to editing in Leeds, West Yorks, UK. Would love to hear any top tips you have! Lajmmoore (talk) 22:35, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Tongzhi literature

Hello folks, I started an article for Taiwanese writer Chen Xue and saw that the queer genre she seems to write in has a page in French, but not English, in case anyone is interested. Lajmmoore (talk) 22:38, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Good source available for LGBT rights in [country]

Please see https://www.equaldex.com for lots of good information about every country (no really, every one) including tables of rights as well as opinion polls and surveys. Also sub-national entities like states, provinces, overseas territories, etc. Turns out that editors at these 44 country articles are already aware of it, but it's worthwhile citing this in every article of this type. (I'm vouching for completeness, not necessarily for reliability as I haven't examined where they are getting their data from, but it certainly seems reliable.) Mathglot (talk) 19:05, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Cross-dressing in television

Hi editors! I am currently expanding a draft article contributing to cross-dressers or drag performers, that appeared on television. The draft article mostly mentions Drag Race but I know there are many other television series that includes drag performers. Future improvements are welcomed! 😊 — JuanGLP (talk/contribs) 14:46, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

User:JuanGLP, responded at Draft talk:Cross-dressing in television#Overlap, list and title issues. Mathglot (talk) 23:37, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Who Can Add Project Tag?

There's been scholarship about the queerness of William Cowper, and I added some of it to the article. He's one of the pre-eminent British poets of the 1800s. Am I able to assign a a tag for him for this project? Or is that something someone with specific permission from the project needs to do? If I don't get an answer in a reasonable time frame, I am going to assume I am free to add the tag. Sevey13 (talk) 08:44, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Anyone can add such tags to article talk pages, and it's a fairly informal system. If you think the article might generally be in the interest of this wikiproject, then feel free to go ahead. This looks like a reasonable inclusion. If someone disagrees, it's just as easily removed. It's not something to put too much thought into, I think. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:16, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Appreciate your reply. Sevey13 (talk) 18:02, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Looks good. Just to add to Maplestrip's comment, project participants can review what articles have been added to and removed from the project's scope at LGBT articles by quality log. (Additions are listed under "Assessed".)--Trystan (talk) 20:00, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Changing Wikimedia category which uses dead name

Hello all! In preparation for a possible article on Morgana Ignis (I'm still gathering sources), a trans woman, voice actress, and puppeteer most recently known for her voice acting as a trans female character named Sallie Mae in Helluva Boss, I found a Wikimedia category which uses her dead name (the dead name is confirmed here and the Wikidata calls her "Morgana"). I'd like to change it, but I want to cite the right policy while doing so. Would citing MOS:DEADNAME as a reason for the change (to Morgana Inis) be sufficient? Or is there some other related policy for Wikimedia. I wasn't sure if this was brought up in the past on this project or not, but I thought I'd ask here regardless. Historyday01 (talk) 19:40, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

@Historyday01: I do not want to comment for making a general rule, but in this case since you intend to make a Wikipedia article, I recommend first making the Wikipedia article and confirming the person's name. After confirming the person's name, update Commons.

Wikimedia Commons does not have a discussion process for managing such things. Instead of trying to develop a process for Commons, establish the person's identity in English Wikipedia in the usual ways, then reconcile Commons with English Wikipedia. Bluerasberry (talk) 20:18, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Ah, ok, that makes sense. I didn't know if there was a discussion process for managing such things, as you put it, on Wikimedia Commons or not, so I thought I'd ask. Historyday01 (talk) 20:25, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Death of Nex Benedict

A stub on the recent Death of Nex Benedict has been created, just in case anyone is interested in helping fill out its content. Sideswipe9th (talk) 00:37, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

LGBT culture in Puerto Vallarta

I have nominated LGBT culture in Puerto Vallarta for Good article status. If promoted, this would be Wikipedia's first Good article about LGBT culture in a specific locale, as far as I know. I have addressed concerns from the first nomination and made other improvements. I invite project members to offer feedback, make improvements, or pick up the nomination, if interested. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:02, 22 February 2024 (UTC)