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Missing art topics

I've updated my list of missing topics about art - Skysmith (talk) 12:53, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Deletion review discussion - Category:Worst Picture Golden Raspberry Award winners

Deletion review discussion regarding Golden Raspberry Award winners, please see Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2010 December 1. Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 20:30, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

New article: Freedom of Expression(R)

New article, created, at Freedom of Expression(R). Additional assistance in research would be appreciated, feel free to help out at the article's talk page. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 18:04, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Culture.si - 2000+ free text articles

Culture.si This is a portal by the Ministry of Culture of the Republic of Slovenia with over 2000 articles about Slovene culture. The text is under the same license as Wikipedia; you have to atrivute the source. Just wanted to let you know about this. --U5K0 (talk) 13:13, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Art of Catalonia

I have recently endevoured to translate this article over to the English Wikipedia. Due to me not being the most experienced person in the Catalonian lanuage, some help from people knowledgable in Catalonian artwork, or who know the Catalonian language very well would really hel. Also i wanted to know if the article crossed over with any articles in this Wikiproject. I know there is no explicit article on such a subject, but i wanted to know how much it crossed over with such pages as Spanish art. The article now rests at User:Coin945/Art of Catalonia. Thanks.--Coin945 (talk) 08:21, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Looks very good, but maybe it would be better to ask at Wikipedia:WikiProject Visual arts? Best of luck. --Kleinzach 10:42, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks :D--Coin945 (talk) 05:56, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

1930 Italian Art Exhibition, London

From January - March 1930, an exhibition of Italian Arts was held at Burlington House, Piccadilly. The exhibition attracted a record crowd, and a return exhibition of British arts in Italy was arranged for 1932, which meant an amendment of an Act of Parliament to allow it to go ahead. This exhibition surely deserves an article, but it's way outside my area of knowledge. I only came across it because the treasures were transported aboard the Leonardo da Vinci, insured for £14,000,000. Mjroots (talk) 07:39, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Can you help the newcomers with some easy tasks?

Hello, I am working with the Account Creation Improvement Project (my latest report is here). Now I need your help to find some easy things for newcomers to do.

To guide the new users into working on the articles, we have created a step-by-step process that starts right after the new user has provided a username and a password. Here is the first step. If you click on "arts", for instance, you go to a page where you are asked to state your skills. And based on your choice there, you go to a page that combines these two choices. Here is what it looks like if you choose copyediting.

Right now, that list of articles that needs copyediting in the field of arts, has been created manually by a rather small set of users. That is not a scalable solution. Especially considering that these articles could very well be edited by the time we have created all the lists.

That's why my question to you in WikiProject arts is if you could create four templates for each of the four skillsets: Copyediting, Research & Writing, Fact checking, and Organizing - and keep them updated? We could then transclude those templates in the account creation process.

This is probably one of the most efficient things you can do in this project. Yes, really! There are roughly 5-7000 new users - each day. Around 30% of them start to edit. So if only a sixth of them sees the arts templates, that's around 250 potential new editors in your field - each day. Possibly more. And they want and need something easy to do. Some of them will continue to edit if they think that the tasks are fun and they are welcomed into the project.

So, what do you say about those templates?

I will gladly answer any questions you may have about this question or the project. Best wishes//Hannibal (talk) 16:44, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Isn't there a standard template? Only about 2 editors really watch this page & neither of us do templates. All of what action there is is at the main projects supposedly "co-ordinated" here, but which in practice aren't. Johnbod (talk) 17:18, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for your reply. What I was after wasn't a complicated template - just a list of articles, like the one I linked to about copyediting. But I'll ask on the other projects as well. Best wishes//Hannibal (talk) 17:28, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I may be the third person watching this page... I thought I know what templates were but I'm not sure what you mean here. Should the Copyediting "template" contain a list of articles that require copy edit and that are reasonably easy for a newcomer to handle? Or did I got it wrong? --Anneyh (talk) 14:05, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Good article nominations currently has a backlog!

All editors willing and able to review articles are needed! Please contribute to the consensus of these articles by choosing 3 or more nominations to review in any of the catagories of interest to this project!

Please visit Wikipedia:Good article nominations now and begin! Thanks you! --Amadscientist (talk) 03:48, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

I have chosen the article Queen (band) as one of my article reviews for this project.--Amadscientist (talk) 04:59, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Article in need of creation and interpretation.

I thought this is a spectacularly good article. Totally outside of my expertise, and I don't speak German. Do you have any suggestions as to whom I could recruit? Rabbits in the arts, German Wikipedia Thanks. Discospinter says: "I agree that it's a good article to have in English, to expand on Rabbit#In culture and literature and List of fictional hares and rabbits." Please also take a look at Three hares, which I have worked on and which is about as close as we get. Just a thought and a gentle request. 7&6=thirteen(☎) 18:45, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Portal:Arts at peer review

Portal:Arts is now up for portal peer review, the review page is at Wikipedia:Portal peer review/Arts/archive1. I've put a bit of effort into this as part of a featured portal drive related to portals linked from the top-right corner of the Main Page, and feedback would be appreciated prior to featured portal candidacy. Thank you for your time, —Cirt (talk) 07:03, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Featured portal candidate: Animation

Portal:Animation is currently a featured portal candidate. Please feel free to leave comments. JJ98 (Talk /Contributions) 23:32, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Identity

I was wondering if anyone can identify these paintings -

• File:Opera Glasses.jpg - No clue about the artist or the title.
• File:Yellow Box.jpg - No clue.
• File:Three Generations.jpg - appears to be the portrait of the Danish Royal Family. Sumanch (talk) 03:06, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Portal:Arts for featured portal consideration

• Portal:Arts

I've nominated Portal:Arts for featured portal candidacy, discussion is at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Arts. Thank you for your time, — Cirt (talk) 20:13, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Peer Review

Hello! I submitted the Irish Stepdance article for a Peer Review here. Since it falls under the scope of this WikiProject, I was wordering if anyone take a look and comment? Thanks! ReelAngelGirl Talk to me! Tea? 20:52, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Why does this project not have a template for tagging articles?

This WikiProject should have a template for tagging articles that belong in its scope. There are numerous articles that deal with "The Arts" in the same broad sense as this project, thus they cannot fit under any of the sub-projects such as Dance or Painting or Poetry, etc. Roger (talk) 14:59, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

For example? This project is effectively moribund, & there is no point in tagging for a project like that. Johnbod (talk) 16:00, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

It probably is moribund precisely because it doesn't "own" any articles, consequently it doesn't have a "to do" list. Articles such as Arts Council England, Disability in the arts or Society for Arts don't fit in any of the "subdivisions" because they are about "The Arts". Roger (talk) 16:20, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

No, most wikiprojects are nearly moribund, no matter how many thousands of articles they have tagged, or how long their to-do list is. The activity in this area is understandably concentrated at more specific levels. Some people seem to think that tagging accomplishes some useful end by itself, but if there is no follow-up it doesn't. Johnbod (talk) 15:02, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

I think it would be helpful to have such a thing so that we could understand the scope and breadth of articles related to the arts in Wikipedia.--RichardMcCoy (talk) 13:22, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

We have categories for that. Project tags imply to the reader that they might be able to get help or contact active editors here, which isn't really the case. I have no real objection so long as the tags only go on articles that don't fall under one of the sub-projects; I would object to duplicating tags. It would have to be done manually to avoid this I think. Johnbod (talk) 15:02, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Johnbod's last comment here. Personally, I could see some tagging on articles that don't fall within the scope of any more specific "arts" related projects, or, alternatively, if we found a very highly regarded reference work, like an encyclopedia or dictionary, dealing with the general field of "the arts". I personally don't myself know of such a reference source, but there is a lot of stuff I don't know, even if I very rarely acknowledge that. But some sort of tagging for articles relating to the arts in general that don't fall within the scope of more focused arts projects wouldn't be unreasonable, and, possibly, articles that are about the arts in general, perhaps tagged by more focused WikiProjects for a section or two, but which as a whole don't fall entirely within the scope of any of the child projects, might reasonably be tagged for this project as well, although I'm less sure about that. I am still, very slowly admittedly, getting together the list of reference works reviewed on the JSTOR site, and, when and if I actually finish that, the information from that might be useful as well. John Carter (talk) 16:11, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Right. When I said "so long as the tags only go on articles that don't fall under one of the sub-projects" I meant "exclusively fall under...". So if Arts Council England is tagged for the Theatre project etc, then an Arts tag is still ok, but the National Gallery should only be tagged for Visual arts. Johnbod (talk) 00:33, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

I could probably create the banner template for assessments, but I think it would be a good idea first if we both knew we had enough articles to make the use of such a banner reasonable, which is generally about 100 or so, and exactly how they are relevant to this project. So, for instance, if there were 200 articles on general "arts organizations," and about five other total (making these numbers up here), it might make more sense to have a WikiProject Arts organizations or Arts organizations task force of some other project rather than assessing for this project. Anyone know where the articles this project might tag could be found, like categories or whatever? John Carter (talk) 20:52, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Start at Category:Arts. Although many of its subcategories relate to specific art forms which have their own wikiprojects there are still many that don't fit. Not only "Arts organisations" but also "concept" articles and subcategories such as Art and culture law, Category:Disability in the arts, Category:Aesthetics, Economics of the arts and literature, and so on. There is a lot of scope for this project to "own" articles and even entire categories which are not about a specific art form. Roger (talk) 09:19, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

That's fine, but are you volunteering to do the work here? Or is anyone else? I won't be, & we need to work out if we have any boots on the ground before setting up new "task forces" etc. Johnbod (talk) 12:08, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

My experience with WikiProjects (I'm one of the founders of WP:WikiProject Disability) is that when a project starts tagging articles some of the editors who watch the articles turn up at the WikiProject and become active members - That's how WikiProject Disability grew from only three founders to the current twenty or so active participants. We can also notify the other Arts related projects about the "revival" of this project. Roger (talk) 12:26, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

My experience is rather the opposite, but I can see there would be unfulfilled demand for a Disability project. That is not the case here, where the project has started and then effectively stopped. In my experience most editors here have pretty specific interests, and it is hard enough to get people interested at the level of "dance", "visual arts" etc, never mind "arts", where many of the articles are on pretty dry topics, & little edited. But I will duck out of this conversation & let you get on with it, so long as there is not too much duplicate tagging, which I will object to. Johnbod (talk) 12:48, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

To answer the question in the subject line: because no one created one. The project exists and although it serves as an umbrella for many subprojects, I see no reason that a template couldn't be created to be used for those articles that don't neatly fit into a subcategory. Someone just has to do it...be bold! J04n(talk page) 14:37, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

(e-c) First, I think the Aesthetics articles are already covered by the Wikipedia:WikiProject Philosophy/Aesthetics, aren't they? I am myself, as Johnbod probably knows, one of the people who for some years went around creating the pages for various new projects and task forces, and, yeah, many if not most wind up falling inactive rather soon. Often that is because they don't have any clear, obvious indicators of what sources are available for the subject, like journals, magazines, reference works and the like. While it might not be a bad idea to try to revive this project, I think it would first make sense to give any potential members a reason to join it and watch its pages, with things like lists of potential sources or other things that would make the project space pages useful to the editors involved in the content. John Carter (talk) 14:43, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Having a bunch of articles all wearing the project's "tag" inherently gives the participants a "to do list": maintain, expand, improve these articles. That's the basic function of WikiProjects. I would create a project template if I had the skills to do so. Demanding that a project first provides a list of sources before even looking at the relevant articles that already exist, is putting the cart before the horse. Sources are found on an article by article basis - not on a project-wide scale. If that's the premise on which this project used to be run it's no wonder it's dormant. Roger (talk) 17:28, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

I think you may have missed my point. Yes, there is an inherent "to-do" list with tagging, but there are to-do lists of that sort with pretty much every dormant WikiProject to - they don't seem to have done anything to stimulate involvement. The purpose of my suggestion of finding some sources which editors could use was not so much to "tell" them where to look, but to give such editors some help. And you will notice I did ask for a list of articles, or categories, that exist, and at least one of the major categories, Category:Aesthetics, is already covered by a dedicated group. Yes, it helps to look for sources on an article-by-article basis, but if that is all the editors involved do, then what is the purpose of the project? Editors could look things up on their own just as they do now. So, can anyone find a list of articles which would be covered by this project? Once we have that, then it would be easier to find out what benefits an active WikiProject would give interested editors if it were made active again. But if all the project would be is a list of related articles, well, the categories already do that. John Carter (talk) 17:52, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Does anyone have the Oasis album Heathen Chemistry booklet ?!?!

If you do then can you tell me what the credits and personnel are for "Stop Crying Your Heart Out", "Thank You for the Good Times" and "Shout It Out Loud" in the booklet please? Either on "Stop Crying Your Heart Out's talk page or on my user talk please, it would be very appreciated.  — AARON • ^TALK 19:46, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Four-paragraph leads -- a WP:RfC on the matter

Hello, everyone. There is a WP:RfC on whether or not the leads of articles should generally be no longer than four paragraphs (refer to WP:Manual of Style/Lead section for the current guideline). As this will affect Wikipedia on a wide scale, including WikiProjects that often deal with article formatting, if the proposed change is implemented, I invite you to the discussion; see here: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Lead section#RFC on four paragraph lead. Flyer22 (talk) 16:54, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Mass image upload

There are over 17,000 new images in Commons:Category:Images from Fellows (auctioneers). Please make use of them! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:10, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal

Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject X is live!

Hello everyone!

You may have received a message from me earlier asking you to comment on my WikiProject X proposal. The good news is that WikiProject X is now live! In our first phase, we are focusing on research. At this time, we are looking for people to share their experiences with WikiProjects: good, bad, or neutral. We are also looking for WikiProjects that may be interested in trying out new tools and layouts that will make participating easier and projects easier to maintain. If you or your WikiProject are interested, check us out! Note that this is an opt-in program; no WikiProject will be required to change anything against its wishes. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you!

Note: To receive additional notifications about WikiProject X on this talk page, please add this page to Wikipedia:WikiProject X/Newsletter. Otherwise, this will be the last notification sent about WikiProject X.

Harej (talk) 16:56, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Pride!

You are invited to participate in Wiki Loves Pride!

• What? Wiki Loves Pride, a campaign to document and photograph LGBT culture and history, including pride events
• When? June 2015
• How can you help?

  1.) Create or improve LGBT-related articles and showcase the results of your work here

  2.) Upload photographs or other media related to LGBT culture and history, including pride events, and add images to relevant Wikipedia articles; feel free to create a subpage with a gallery of your images (see examples from last year)

  3.) Contribute to an LGBT-related task force at another Wikimedia project (Wikidata, Wikimedia Commons, Wikivoyage, etc.)

Or, view or update the current list of Tasks. This campaign is supported by the Wikimedia LGBT+ User Group, an officially recognized affiliate of the Wikimedia Foundation. Visit the group's page at Meta-Wiki for more information, or follow Wikimedia LGBT+ on Facebook. Remember, Wiki Loves Pride is about creating and improving LGBT-related content at Wikimedia projects, and content should have a neutral point of view. One does not need to identify as LGBT or any other gender or sexual minority to participate. This campaign is about adding accurate, reliable information to Wikipedia, plain and simple, and all are welcome!

If you have any questions, please leave a message on the campaign's main talk page.

Thanks, and happy editing!

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Free books about oil paintings in the UK

Hi, Wikimedia UK has been talking to the Public Catalogue Foundation here in the UK. They have offered us a dozen of their books on Oil Paintings in public ownership in the UK to give to FA writers who would find these useful reference material. If you would like one of these books, details of the 85 titles available are here. You do not need to be a member of Wikimedia UK or even resident in the UK to get one of these books, just choose a book and email me. Preference will be given to FA writers. Jonathan Cardy (WMUK) (talk) 10:58, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Drawing of Kim Jong-un

Does anyone here draw well? Please see this. Many thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:28, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Category:Arts

Maybe this has been raised recently, but the Category:Arts seems to contain largely visual arts categories, rather than adopt the broad definition outlined in the Arts article.
Shouldn't the category also contain the top categories for other areas of the arts, such as Category:Music, Category:Literature, Category:Theater etc.?
In the meantime I've moved some obvious 'Visual arts' categories, such as Category:Art by nationality‎ to Category:Visual arts. Sionk (talk) 23:17, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Ah, I see Category:Music and Category:Theater are a subcategory of Category:Performing arts, which is part of the current category tree. Category:Literature may still need including. Sionk (talk) 00:07, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Does wikipedia consider press photographers as artists?

A press photographer that shot some pictures of a lifeless boy on a beach is being passed of as an artist, rather than a creative professional in a deletion discussion. If press photographers are equated with artists on wikipedia, then what about con artists? Burst of unj (talk) 00:44, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Re-organization of WikiProject Women

Main page: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women § Complete reorganization proposal

There currently is a discussion about the future organization of Wikipedia:WikiProject Women and several other women-related Wikiprojects and taskforces at the above link. Some aspects may be of interests to editors of this project and your participation in the discussion would be appreciated. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 12:18, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Resident sketch artist

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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I have been trying to find one for ages. No luck. So, I have an idea:

I will write to external organizations that teach art. The letter will ask for sketch artists who can provide lead images of famous subjects where no image (or no satisfactory image) exists. Kim Jong-un is an example. The artist, in return, gets good exposure. Kim Jong-un gets over a million page visits a year. The image is CC, so it would be used in many other publications and websites. The artist is of course credited as the creator and everybody is happy.

I have no idea about art colleges, so below, if you would be so kind, name some organizations I could write where I would have the highest chance of success. We want eager students or others and good quality work.

Many thanks, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:44, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

What a great idea! That would be a nice way to recruit people. Maybe it doesn't have to rely on a list of organizations with high success rate; an alternative approach would be if you posted a model letter, so people with connections to art colleges could adapt them and send it to their respective college; I recon the chances are higher to get a positive reply when they know the sender. Some further brainstorming: We could organize Sketch-a-thons to contribute our knowledge to the cooperation. — Sebastian 04:20, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Or, next time we see a good street portrait artist, we could just present the idea to them, and if they're game, give them an impromptu sketch-a-thon in the nearest library or other location with internet access. — Sebastian 04:24, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Splendid ideas, Sebastian. :) If we have a prepared letter, why not send it out however we can? Here is a transclusion from User:Anna Frodesiak/Silver sandbox so you can see how it appears at the moment. I will start the draft. Please feel free to work on it like you would any article:

Okay, I started the draft. Please feel free to work on it by clicking User:Anna Frodesiak/Silver sandbox. I would like to prepare a subpage at this project. Perhaps Wikipedia:WikiProject Arts/Donated works? Please suggest a better name. We can then create it and prepare a heading to welcome any who respond to the mailing. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:17, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

I would have suggested "Portrait Drive", but "Sketch Drive" or "Art Drive" may be better, if you are thinking of art other than portraits. We do already have some excellent artists, such as Ferahgo the Assassin. One way to find such editors is by checking Pages that link to "File:Design Barnstar Hires.png". — Sebastian 19:31, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

So, the request still stands. Please list organizations below that you think would be appropriate. I will dig up the emails and contact people and do the mailings. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:48, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Rather than formal institutions, I suggest you canvass the groups devoted to sketch portraiture on the Flickr website. The participants include talented artists, professional or not, who already have experience displaying their works for public viewing as well as indicating re-use permission status. In respect for the likely flood of responses that might burden your process, perhaps you'd do better with by-invitation groups, or reading the artists' profiles and approaching individuals directly. -- Deborahjay (talk) 10:40, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

I made some minor edits to the draft. Something to reconsider: to say "because there are none available in the public domain" is cutting corners, because some free licenses would okay as well (WP:IUP#Free licenses). Case in point, we are asking artists to contribute under CC, which is not public domain. Finnusertop (talk | guestbook | contribs) 12:39, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Good points, and thanks for the good edits. When developing the landing page, the wording should become clear. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:48, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Deborahjay. A fine suggestion indeed! I would go with emailing whatever individual or organization has the highest chance of providing the images. And as for Flickr, others would have to handle that part. I am in China where Flickr is blocked.

"Flood"?? I am getting frightened now. Do you think artists will respond? I usually take an "expect nothing" approach to these sorts of things. I email a lot asking for photos knowing that only a percentage send images.

So, I have started User:Anna Frodesiak/Pink sandbox to prepare the subpage at this project as a landing page for anyone who responds. Please feel free to work it.

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:45, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Anna, I've started to get a grasp of what you've done thus far and I'm willing to assist you. I'll access the Flickr artist community through my own user account. After familiarizing myself with your introductory text I'll approach (a) this "famous people" portrait sketching group and (b) a "portrait party" whose many members sketch other members from the latter's submitted portrait photos. (Can you see the linked pages? I'm unaware of the block in China, sounds frustrating; my country has different problems.) The challenge, of course, is making a unique work rather than a copy too close to any source image. I'll update you on my progress. Cheers! -- Deborahjay (talk) 13:46, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

It is wonderful that you wish to participate. If you can handle the Flickr end, that would be great. I suggest getting the project page finalized before communicating with the outside world. :) We wouldn't want them to upload an image without knowing all the details about copyright infringement, their CC rights, procedure, and whether or not their image could end up unused. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:53, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Just stumbled across this discussion. You do realise that if a drawing or work of art is clearly based on a copyrighted photograph, it can be legally challenged (think of Shepherd Fairey and his poster of Obama)? Unless the celebrity sits for a portrait, any works of art are likely to be based on a photograph, aren't they? I paint portraits myself, but I'd be wary of giving a painting of a well-known subject too much exposure in case it was legally challenged. Sionk (talk) 22:05, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Sionk. Thank you for your input. The plan is to request that the work be based on several photos to avoid copyright infrigement. In fact, we will be very clear about that in both the email and Wikipedia project page (see [1] and [2]). Can a realistic likeness be created from multiple photos? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:43, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

This is an issue since Commons is notoriously strict about derivative works. I remember a Kim Jong-un sketch being deleted for apparently being drawn from the same angle as a published photograph. I don't know what methods an artist would use - maybe watch a video so they won't be tied to one image and angle, perhaps - but it's something we need to stress. Finnusertop (talk | guestbook | contribs) 00:19, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Good thinking. And that might have been me. We'll have to really stress the no copyvio thing. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:38, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

I've simplified things: I've removed the transcluded drafts from this page. I've removed the "noincludes" from the project page draft. I've pasted the drive rationale into the drafts because they ought to differ.

I wish to get the two drafts finalized soon. I will now try to begin a list here of organizations to contact. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:30, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm thinking of using items from List of art colleges in Europe, in particular all organizations in Scotland, Ireland, and England. That is roughly 20. Thoughts?

Please take a look at and help finalize:

• User:Anna Frodesiak/Pink sandbox
• User:Anna Frodesiak/Silver sandbox

I'll probably move all of this away from WikiProject Arts because "The scope of WikiProject Arts covers all articles relating to the fine arts and performing arts."

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:01, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Now at Wikipedia:Donated artworks. Consider starting further discussions at Wikipedia talk:Donated artworks.

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:26, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Donated artwork mini-project

We could really use a few participants to contact organizations. Please see:

• Wikipedia:Donated artwork

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:23, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Flesh out

I'd created Michael Lucero (artist) since there was some interest in this person via my institution's edit history, so I'm hoping that this person will return and help flesh out the article. (It's an IP, so I have no idea who it could have been, since the IP is used by pretty much anyone who visits the LVA.) Just in case they don't return or look for this person, I figured I'd mention this here in case one of you guys are familiar with this person and want to add more information. Tokyogirl79LVA (talk) 14:01, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

DeviantArt

If anyone here has a DeviantArt account, would you please consider posting this link at the main forum there? I would be very grateful. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:08, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Artists' books (category)

Could I please get a feed-back here? Why "books" in plural ? Thanks! Bikkit ! (talk) 08:53, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Eyes Needed

Re: User:Hexatekin/sandbox/JNH: I would appreciate if someone was able to review this article about a well-known contemporary art archivist and add it if they deem it to meet Wikipedia's standards. Let me know if you have questions! Hexatekin (talk) 17:51, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello User:Hexatekin - This is a fascinating, well written article on an important archivist. As a relatively new editor, I'm still becoming familiar with wiki-policies & standards, but I'm happy to help out if I can! Some feedback: there are no citations in the following sections: Education, Biography, and Appraisals. Please let me know if you would like me to work on these areas, and if it should be moved to article space first or if it's permissible to work in your sandbox, or if you prefer me to send you links if I can find them. Have a happy new year! Netherzone (talk) 18:01, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Hello again, just found a few possibly useful resources. Here is a citation re: JNH article Education section: Transcript of AS-AP Panel at CAA Conference, February, 2008 (College Arts Association), posted on internet site: Art Spaces Archives Project on Aug. 5, 2010. (Access date, Dec. 28, 2015) URL: http://www.as-ap.org/content/transcript-ap-panel-caa-conference-february-2008-0 And a citation relevant to the Biography section: won lifetime achievement award as an archivist, The Acker Awards for Achievement in The Avant Garde, 2014 URL: http://www.ackerawards.com/#!nyc-awards/canh And two links re: J.N. Herlin Inc. http://jnhap.marcshifflett.com/about/ and https://www.jeannoelherlin.com

Netherzone (talk) 18:41, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Great Netherzone! I have a conflict of interest in publishing this article myself, but if you look it over judging by Wikipedia's Core content policies and deem it meets the policies, than you or another editor could publish it as a fair balance of the COI policy. What do you think? Hexatekin (talk) 03:33, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Happy to help, Hexatekin. Do you suggest that be done thru the Articles for Creation, or as a Move from your sandbox, or another method? I'm a fairly new editor, and want to make certain it it done correctly. Netherzone (talk) 17:42, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

I think that a move from my sandbox to a published article would be fine, then we could solicit editors to review / take a look. In its current form I believe its publishable, and if you think so too, go for it. Hexatekin (talk) 17:38, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Done! I will add those two citations I mentioned above.Netherzone (talk) 21:34, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

redesign

I'd like to propose a few changes to the look of the project page. I don't want to be unkind, but the design introduced here by User:Ganymead makes my eyes bleed. I has kept me from joining the project. Would anyone object if I changed it to something neutral, like this? Mduvekot (talk) 19:28, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Translations fot QRpedia

Hello folks! an Italian National Museum called Galleria Nazionale di Parma [[3]] is running a QRpedia Project [[4]]. At least 40 paintings of the museum are now on wikipedia and through a qr-code, museums' visitors can connect to wiki and learn the essential information about the oeuvre. Now the most part of the paintings voices are only in italian and we are looking for some volunteers to translate them in english.

Is there someone who would like to help us? Does anybody know where to least the voices that should have been translated?

thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elenuz (talk • contribs) 12:31, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Europeana Art Challenge

The Europeana Art Challenge has kicked off and runs until 30th May.

The aim is to make sure that there are Wikidata entries and Wikipedia articles for each of the 300 artworks chosen from across Europe.

Details of the competition and how to sign up are here.

As of writing only 58 out of 300 artworks have an article in English (some examples below for ideas).

There's a points based system and prizes for the most points for each country.

Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 11:25, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

• 
  Winter at the Sognefjord by Johan Christian Dahl
• 
  The Sculptor Jens Adolf Jerichau, the Artist's Husband by Elisabeth Jerichau-Baumann
• 
  The Reception of Lord Byron at Missolonghi by Theodoros Vryzakis
• 
  Bible of Borso d'Este illuminated by Taddeo Crivelli

At the moment, 155 of the artworks have articles in English, up from 49 at the start of the competition. Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 14:43, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Big revision by new editor

Hello, I was wondering if someone could look at Van Day Truex. It is so far out of my field of expertise that I don't feel qualified to work on it, but it clearly needs attention. The article was recently radically changed by a new COI editor, and I don't know whether his changes are an improvement. Tazerdadog (talk) 22:11, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Looking for a helper with formatting

Hello, i am looking for someone, whom i can ask things if i have difficulties with the english formatting of articles. I am writing especially on contemporary abstract art and would be glad if someone interested in this subject would contact me. Thank you! --Gyanda (talk) 11:42, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Need help with references

Hi There, I need help in this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:R_Nandakumar This article is being repeatedly rejected - and the reason mentioned is:" This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability." R Nandakumar is a noted Indian art historian and cultural critic. He was granted the prestigious Senior Nehru Fellow at Teen Murti Bhawan, New Delhi. He was the first recipient of the Kesari Memorial Award Instituted by the Department of Culture, Government of Kerala in the year 2007, conferred in recognition of his contribution to the study of art and culture. Many a reputed scholars have cited his works in their articles and publications. His articles and research papers have been published by reputed magazines and publications. He has very limited online reference, however, I have made a list of citations by other reputed scholars to the likes of Christopher Pinney, with proper publication details and page number. Request your help here. Thank you, Tiru Tiru Tiru Tirutirutiru (talk) 03:16, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Current AfD

An article that may be of interest to members of this project has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Luca Lazar (2nd nomination). -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:17, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

@Ad Orientem: I am trying to create an Article Alerts section for this wikiproject so that individual wp:AfDs need not be listed manually here. Any interest anyone? Ottawahitech (talk) 15:13, 11 August 2016 (UTC)please ping me

I'm intererested. To be honest, I had the impression this project was not very active any more, but if there is an attempt, to revive it, I'd participate. Mduvekot (talk) 15:42, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the ping. Unfortunately I am traveling at present and have little time for online activities. I hope this will improve in a few weeks. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:00, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Article alerts added

@Mduvekot and Ad Orientem: Thanks for responding.I have added Wikipedia:WikiProject Arts#Article alerts but need someone to place this new section in a more appropriate spot. Please let me know if you find this useful. Thanks. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:58, 12 August 2016 (UTC)please ping me

MfD for Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Medusa (artwork)

Does anyone from this project want to try to rescue Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Medusa (artwork) to another wiki? — xaosflux ^Talk 03:46, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

@Xaosflux: I have just added an alerts section to this wikiproject. Any page which has this w-project banner on the talk page will automatically show up when it is nominated for deletion/ good article/ etc. Ottawahitech (talk) 16:07, 12 August 2016 (UTC)please ping me

Painting by Charles Christian Nahl

I was just looking at the article Isthmus of Panama, and a painting by Charles Christian Nahl caught my attention, so I clicked on the image to read more. I then read the article about the painter. I saw the same painting in the gallery of the article on Nahl, but the caption was different.

The caption of the painting in the article Isthmus of Panama is:

• An 1850 oil painting by Charles Christian Nahl, titled, The Isthmus of Panama on the height of the Chagres River.

The caption of the painting in the gallery in the article on Charles Christian Nahl is:

• Incident on the Chagres River (1850), now in the Bancroft Library,

which matches the title below the image, but when you click on "More details", you see the file name, which is in German:

• Der Isthmus von Panama auf der Höhe des Chagres River.

It looks like the title in the first caption is an attempt at a translation from the German. It also seems like the painting has two different names. Would you say that one is wrong and the other is right (the German, and its translation), or that both are correct? It's a bit odd.  – Corinne (talk) 03:08, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Maybe the simple answer is it is known by several different names. Sionk (talk) 20:28, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Art reviews?

I'm currently in a GA Review with Billie Nipper, a Tennessee artist who specialized in painting horses as well as some landscapes. The reviewer asked about critical reception of her work, and I can't find any, although she was definitely notable. Does anyone know of a reliable website where her art might be reviewed or something? Thanks. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 19:45, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Flora (Alexandra) Ogilvy

Is Flora Ogilvy, aka Flora Alexandra Ogilvy, a person of encyclopedia-worthy note in the art world? Please comment under "Encyclopedic?" within Talk:Flora Ogilvy. Thanks. -- Hoary (talk) 23:57, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

I've changed the articles to redirect them to that on her father. -- Hoary (talk) 00:56, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Missing topics list

My list of missing topics in art is updated - Skysmith (talk) 12:24, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Skysmith - good to know about this list! It has always surprised me that Wikipedia does not have an article on Political Art (there is Protest art, but that is not the same). Political art has a long, international history. Just a thought..... Netherzone (talk) 16:15, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

intellectual work with creative characteristics

Would you recognize this if you saw it? Would you recognize its absence? Would you wonder whether any judgement you might make would be a matter of verifiable fact? If you'd enjoy a little polite argufying over such matters, try this deletion discussion. (Hat tip to Materialscientist.) -- Hoary (talk) 14:19, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi There,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:R_Nandakumar

Need help in this article. R Nandakumar is a noted art critic and his works have been cited by prominent authors from across the world. His works have been published in many magazines and academic journals in India and abroad. He has been conferred the Kerala Puraskar Award in the year 2007 by Kerala Lalithakala Akademi and has been the senior fellow of Nehru Memorial Museum & Library. His article is being rejected several times and the editors seem to not understand the value of the awards and contribution made by R Nandakumar. Is there any way I could improve the article?

Thank you. 11:58, 20 January 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tirutirutiru (talk • contribs)

RM at Talk:Red Cross with Triptych egg

The RM discussion at Talk:Red Cross with Triptych egg is ongoing and relisted. I invite you to discussion. --George Ho (talk) 20:52, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

RfC on the WP:ANDOR guideline

Hi, all. Opinions are needed on the following: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#RfC: Should the WP:ANDOR guideline be softened to begin with "Avoid unless" wording or similar?. A WP:Permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:54, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Articles that are proposed for deletion, then scoped

The article Amanda Burk was proposed for deletion and I templated it as part of this project; it did not, however, turn up under Wikipedia:WikiProject_Arts#Article alerts, presumably because of the order of the two acts. Not sure how the listing works, but could this be fixed? The article is being written by a newbie who probably, like many people new to Wikipedia editing, didn't know about project templates.HLHJ (talk) 22:28, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Citation overkill proposal at WP:Citation overkill talk page

Opinions are needed on the following: Wikipedia talk:Citation overkill#Citations. A permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 06:49, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

WP:Citation overkill RfC

Opinions are needed on the following matter: Wikipedia talk:Citation overkill#Should this essay be changed to encourage more citations?. A WP:Permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 01:41, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Watercolor painting

I'm just plopping this here to bring it to the attention of anyone with enough expertise to tackle it. This is a pretty important article, sits at about 600 page views per day steady going back a very long time, and is just in god awful shape. It's very nearly devoid of references, and that's after removing about 10,000 words that were just pure unadulterated original research. I'm happy to help, but I'm afraid I really just don't know much about the subject. TimothyJosephWood 13:10, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

RfC regarding the WP:Lead guideline -- the first sentence

Opinions are needed on the following matter: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Lead section#Request for comment on parenthetical information in first sentence. A WP:Permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 05:17, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

RfC: Red links in infoboxes

Opinions are needed on the following matter: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Infoboxes#RfC: Red links in infoboxes. A WP:Permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 13:29, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Important

Please comment here. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:31, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Help with an article?

I was wondering if anyone would like to help with an article, Asian American art. The page was initially titled as if it was for performance art, however the page as a whole was fairly general as far as art goes, so I retitled it. It definitely needs some TLC, as well as general work from someone familiar with Asian-American art. There is some content already at Asian Americans in arts and entertainment that may be able to be merged, but I do think it could warrant its own article. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:27, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Alice Walton

Hi! There is an edit request for the Art section of Alice Walton, the art collector and chairwoman of the Crystal Bridges Museum of American Art. I will not direct edit the page because I have a Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, which I disclosed on my user page and declared on Talk:Alice Walton. This section is fairly well-developed already, but there are some instances where it could be improved. I created a proposed Art section that tidies up the existing content and includes appropriate sourcing, and would appreciate some help from the community to review and update the section if they agree. Thanks, Kt2011 (Talk · COI:Walton family) 18:15, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Migrating art infoboxes to wikidata

Many articles have had their infoboxes supplanted by links to Wikidata. This is a very ill-considered move. They look terrible (with little symbols and and unfamiliar links), subject their content to the vagaries and preferences of the individual editors of another project with its own arcane purposes, and have not been approved or even discussed here, which should have been done before any such wholesale changes were started.

They should be reverted. Kablammo (talk) 02:58, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Discussion about this has been taking place at Template talk:Infobox artwork (also see the talk page archive). The formatting can be changed if needed, just post a suggestion for how to do so on the infobox talk page and we can see what the consensus is. Wikidata is another *Wikimedia* project, same as Wikimedia Commons but for data rather than media. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 10:49, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Mike, that is useful background, but I believe that members and other editors interested in this project-- the arts-- should decide whether to implement this change. In general, the subject of infoboxes is controversial, with many editors opposing them-- particularly in the arts-- on grounds argued elsewhere. But if an infobox is used, can we really say that the one currently used on The Hay Wain (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Hay_Wain&oldid=799485284 at the time of this posting ) is superior to the one it replaced? (See the former infobox on the prior version of the article.) Is it important to have those tiny pencils? Should the beginning of an article prominently feature the accession number? or identifiers? And the "Preceding by" field is particularly fraught, and an invitation to original research and factual disputes. (Would anyone care to do a succession field for The Burghers of Calais or The Gates of Hell?) Kablammo (talk) 15:40, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

@Kablammo: Please do have a look at the discussions I linked to. The request to develop the wikidata version came from editors working on these types of articles, and I then worked on developing the infobox based on the code I've been using in other cases (e.g. {{Infobox telescope}}). The code is currently mostly working, but a few more things need doing with it (in particular, the dimensions code can be better), and I'm hoping it can then be merged in with the main version of the template (it is only separate at the moment to make sure it all works right first). I've been rolling it out across some articles to see how well it copes with different situations and different amounts of Wikidata information, to make sure it at least reproduces the local versions. It might be best to keep the discussion all in one place, so perhaps we could move this to Template talk:Infobox artwork and the other people I've been working with can join in this discussion (or we can ping them here if you'd prefer). I always appreciate constructive feedback, though, so thanks for your comments about this so far. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:20, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

• The Hay Wain version with Wikidata infobox. I don't see the issue. I agree that the pencil icons and repeated footnotes are excessive ("[edit on Wikidata]" is sufficient, as would be a separate section for group footnotes, as done in other infoboxes) but that can easily be discussed on the infobox's talk page. As for letting Wikidata handle the infobox parameters, I say good riddance—a massive waste of time in my watchlist. I'll cross-post to Template talk:Infobox artwork czar 17:34, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

I agree with what Kablammo said; accession numbers and identifiers have not been deemed important to include in the article text or in the infobox in the past, and the pencils & footnotes are overkill. Replacement of "oil on canvas" by "oil paint, canvas" is not an improvement, and it makes me wonder how mixed media works such as The First Days of Spring will be rendered, not to mention more complicated cases: "oil on canvas, transferred from panel", La Bella Principessa, and the like. Ewulp (talk) 18:41, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

The "oil paint, canvas" issue should now be fixed - a link to oil on canvas is now shown instead. Pencil links can be disabled, but I'd like to see a discussion/consensus about that on the infobox talk page. Footnotes, accession numbers and identifiers are similar - this is the first I've heard that they might be an issue, and that should be discussed on the template talk page. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:27, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Some general replies:

1. This should not be decided at an infobox project, as the members of that project likely are supporters of infoboxes, which is a controversial subject. Instead it should be discussed here.
2. Wikidata is a collection of data points, and encourages collection and publication of those points regardless of their importance. Adding those points to an infobox gives pride of place at the front of an article to what, to most readers, is non-essential trivia.
3. Wikidata allows information to be added which is the subjective view of the author. For example, a field can be used to state influences for the work of art, and art which is influenced by the work in question. That essentially is a subjective measure, which should be discussed in properly-cited article text, rather listed as data points in an infobox.
4. It appears to me that many of the items cited in an infobox come from other wikis, and such items would not survive in en.wikipedia due to a large number of competent writers.
5. As mentioned above, a type of "succession" field is ungovernable. The two works of Rodin mentioned above above have numerous precursors, in the form of sculptures or models of hands, limbs, torsos, posture, and any number of other characteristics. A listing of all those macquettes would lead to enormous infoboxes.

Wikipedia is not a random collection of factoids. Let's keep it that way. Kablammo (talk) 18:18, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

All of the above issues are regulated through what the template is set to show. So the "influences" can either be added in the article's template or pulled from Wikidata—it's still up to each individual article's editors to decide which parameters to allow. There is no "infobox project" presiding over the templates, so you and anyone else are welcome to discuss on this specific template's talk page czar 20:05, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

RfC: Should the WP:TALK guideline discourage interleaving?

Opinions are needed on the following matter: Wikipedia talk:Talk page guidelines#RfC: Should the guideline discourage interleaving? #2. A permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:38, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Creating new Subcategory?

Hi, dear people, I'm working on an article on an artist, who is a Object art-artist, a category, which doesn't exist at Art:Genres. Instead i found an article on Objet d'art and i thought of making up a site on Object art and let it forward to this site. I asked about how to do this properly at the helpdesk and they advised me to ask here. In the Object d'art article it states but in practice the term has long been reserved in English to describe works of art that are not paintings, large or medium-sized sculptures, prints or drawings. and actual that describes what the artist does pretty well, but some author at the helpdesk wrote that the term Objet d'art is only a term for a small collectible, which is not what i mean. In the german wikipedia, we do have the term "Objektkünstler", but it seems there is no equivalent in the english wikipedia? So, what should i do now? Can one add a subcategory with only one name in it? Or do you have another suggestion for a category, where the artist would fit in? It is not Performance art and also not 'Installation art", what he does. Would be very thankful to hear your ideas. Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 12:16, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Opinions needed at Surrealism

Your opinion is requested at Talk:Surrealism#Creeping SYNTH and OR. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 22:10, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

PROD notice

Hello! I PRODed Oceana Rain Stuart because it looks like it doesn't meet WP:NARTIST. That said, I'm no art person, so if I made a mistake, could someone please de-prod the article and let me know so I don't make similar mistakes going forward? Thanks! Ajpolino (talk) 14:36, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Paintings' name?

Please, someone can help me finding the name of these paintings: Sunset beach woman, Castle. Thank you very much. --80.181.64.1 (talk) 12:47, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

This really isn't the place for this, but it looks like those are still frames from animation, so they wouldn't have titles (and technically wouldn't be paintings). freshacconci (✉) 14:00, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

The second surely not, but the first must be for sure real. Can you find its name? --87.8.13.231 (talk) 08:58, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject collaboration notice from the Portals WikiProject

The reason I am contacting you is because there are one or more portals that fall under this subject, and the Portals WikiProject is currently undertaking a major drive to automate portals that may affect them.

Portals are being redesigned.

The new design features are being applied to existing portals.

At present, we are gearing up for a maintenance pass of portals in which the introduction section will be upgraded to no longer need a subpage. In place of static copied and pasted excerpts will be self-updating excerpts displayed through selective transclusion, using the template {{Transclude lead excerpt}}.

The discussion about this can be found here.

Maintainers of specific portals are encouraged to sign up as project members here, noting the portals they maintain, so that those portals are skipped by the maintenance pass. Currently, we are interested in upgrading neglected and abandoned portals. There will be opportunity for maintained portals to opt-in later, or the portal maintainers can handle upgrading (the portals they maintain) personally at any time.

Background

On April 8th, 2018, an RfC ("Request for comment") proposal was made to eliminate all portals and the portal namespace. On April 17th, the Portals WikiProject was rebooted to handle the revitalization of the portal system. On May 12th, the RfC was closed with the result to keep portals, by a margin of about 2 to 1 in favor of keeping portals.

There's an article in the current edition of the Signpost interviewing project members about the RfC and the Portals WikiProject.

Since the reboot, the Portals WikiProject has been busy building tools and components to upgrade portals.

So far, 84 editors have joined.

If you would like to keep abreast of what is happening with portals, see the newsletter archive.

If you have any questions about what is happening with portals or the Portals WikiProject, please post them on the WikiProject's talk page.

Thank you.    — The Transhumanist   07:26, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Invaluable now available through The Wikipedia Library!

Free access to Invaluable is now available through the Library Card platform. Invaluable is a database of artists and auctions with more than 5 million entries, including 500,000 artists. You can sign up for free access now! Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 17:55, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Seeking help to improve a new draft page on photographer Bernis von zur Muehlen

Hello, I am Peter von zur Muehlen, husband of artist Bernis von zur Muehlen, for whom I have created a draft page on her at Draft:Bernis_von_zur_Muehlen. This mostly completed page is now open to any input by the Wikipedia community, but I think having experts inspect this page may be most sensible. So I would very much appreciate any help in preparing this article for AfC review. If you would be so kind as to have a look, do anything you can to improve it directly, or leave me notes on its talk page, I would be most grateful. Thank you in advance,Pmuehlen (talk) 20:58, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

HELP WANTED

For a number of years we have been experiencing a steady decline in the number of administrators as a result of attrition and a declining number of editors willing to consider adminship. Things have reached a point where we are starting to experience chronic backlogs in important areas of the project including noticeboards, requests for closure, SPI, CSD & etc. If you are an experienced editor with around two years (or more) of tenure, 10k edits give or take and no record of seriously disruptive behavior, please consider if you might be willing to help out the community by becoming an administrator. The community can only function as well as we all are willing to participate. If you are interested start by reading WP:MOP and WP:RFAADVICE. Then go to WP:ORCP and open a discussion. Over the next few days experienced editors will take a look at your record and let you know what they think your chances are of passing RfA (the three most terrifying letters on Wikipedia) as well as provide you with feedback on areas that might be of concern and how to prepare yourself. Lastly you can find a list of experienced editors who may be willing to nominate you here. Thank you and happy editing... [Note:This page may not be on my watchlist so if you want to reply to me, please either ping me or drop me a line on my talk page.] -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:10, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Seeking feedback on a guide for students who edit articles about art history

Hello! Wiki Education is developing a guide to help students improve articles related to art history. The handout is meant to supplement other resources that they consult, such as an interactive training and basic editing brochures. We’d love to get some community feedback on the draft here: User:Cassidy_(Wiki_Ed)/Art_history. We're looking to gather feedback by August 16th. Feel free to respond here or on the draft's talk page. Thanks so much! Cassidy (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:04, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Sorolla Challenge

Hello. I would like to share with you that there is a writing challenge during November about the works of Joaquín Sorolla. You can participate in any language. The contest is organized by Wikimedia España and Museo Sorolla. The information about the project in at meta:Sorolla Challenge. Thanks. --Millars (talk) 23:10, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

WikiJournal of Humanities published first article

The WikiJournal of Humanities is a free, peer reviewed academic journal which aims to provide a new mechanism for ensuring the accuracy of Wikipedia's humanities, arts and social sciences content. We started it as a way of bridging the Wikipedia-academia gap. It is also part of a WikiJournal User Group along with Wiki.J.Med and Wiki.J.Sci. The journal is still starting out and not yet well known, so we are advertising ourselves to WikiProjects that might be interested.

Editors

• Invite submissions from non-wikipedians
• Coordinate the organisation of external academic peer review
• Format accepted articles
• Promote the journal

Authors

• New Wikipedia articles on topics that don't yet have a Wikipedia page, or only a stub/start
• Existing Wikipedia articles to be externally peer reviewed (analogous to GA / FA review - see submission page)
• Image articles, based around an important images, photographs or summary diagrams

If you want to know more, please see this recent interview with some WikiJournal editors, the journal's About page, or check out a comparison of similar initiatives. If you're interested, please come and discuss the project on the journal's talk page, or the general discussion page for the WikiJournal User group.

As an illustrative example, Wiki.J.Hum published its first article this month!

• Miles, Dudley; et al. (2018). "Æthelflæd, Lady of the Mercians". WikiJournal of Humanities. 1 (1): 1. doi:10.15347/wjh/2018.001. ISSN 2639-5347.

T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)^talk 09:36, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Help: The Queen of Sheba visits King Solomon

see talk. --79.54.23.163 09:46, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:List of tarantellas

There is a discussion in progress at Talk:List of tarantellas on the criteria for including items in the list. WikiProject Arts participants are invited to contribute; I would have posted at WP:Dance but it appears that project is inactive. If you know of other WikiProjects that should be involved, please let me (or them) know. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:01, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:23, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aurat (word)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aurat (word) has been relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Bookku (talk) 08:06, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Deletion discussion about Avandi

Your comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Avandi. --Brookford (talk) 18:32, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Notable biographies - artists

Hello there, I am new to wikipedia and am trying to learn :) I am working in the Arts and have been interested in archiving some of the contemporary artists I have come across. My understanding is that they are considered noteworthy if they have been exhibited in national galleries such as National Portrait or Somerset House, and also covered in articles by magazines such as Frieze ad Art Monthly. I have a list I want to work through and I am going through alphabetically. I would love to get feedback on my first article. Please let me know if there are any issues I can work on, or if this is good to submit?

Here it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Alexander_Augustus

I am also a little confused about how to add pictures. I guess the images of the artworks either belong to the artist or the gallery, so I am not sure how I can upload them?

Many thanks for your help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Contemporaryartlover1 (talk • contribs) 21:58, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

HASS

Hi all, I've made a stub on Humanities, arts, and social sciences to mirror the STEM article. I think there are sufficient research and commentary about HASS as a combined concept that there enough to discuss as a topic. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)^talk 23:49, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Chronology categories for the arts

Please see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 September 15#The arts, where I have proposed standardising the naming of by-year, by-decade and by-centuries for the arts.

Currently the by-century categories are named "in the arts", but the by-decade and by-year categories are named "in arts". I have proposed two options for a common format: either "in the arts" or "in arts". --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:28, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Aesthetic canon, artistic canon

Given that the article Aesthetic canon is really about artistic canons, I propose to move it to "Artistic canon" (the current title will remain as a redirect).

Full disclosure: until a few days ago, the article had other material not directly related to visual or plastic arts, but it consisted of uncited musings that forked the articles on physical attractiveness, makeup, fashion but without any specific focus on canonical frames of reference.

Please make any observations at talk:Aesthetic canon#Proposal to change name. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 20:30, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

I have initiated a wp:requested move process. As of today, the discussion is whether the name should be open ended ("Artistic canon") or well-defined ("Artistic canon of body proportion"), Please contribute at talk:Aesthetic canon#Requested move 26 September 2020. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 14:53, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Following discussion, I have revised the proposal to be "Artistic canons of body proportions". Please make any comments at the article talk page via link above. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 13:53, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

See RfC on changing DEADNAME on crediting individuals for previously released works

FYI

 – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography#RfC: updating MOS:DEADNAME for how to credit individuals on previously released works
This potentially would affect a significant number of articles.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  02:34, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Discussion about people roster in articles at Colab

I am discussing concerns about people roster list at Talk:Colab. Is it encyclopedically beneficial for articles like galleries, collaboratives and other art organizations to have a lengthy list of people in the form of "members and exhibitors are (Wikipedia page blue links) ... name 1, name 2, name 3. . . name n. I find it that only serves as a promotion of people names or being associated with the group; or promotion of the group for having certain people associated to it. Graywalls (talk) 17:31, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

File issues

I accidentally put a file on a draft I am working on and I don't know how to delete it. I need help please.

Here's the draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jeannette_LoVetri#Jeanette_LoVetri

The file is on the right-hand side above the information paragraph — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.183.113.219 (talk) 18:22, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Comments needed on art-related FAC

Please comment at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/The Thankful Poor/archive1 more feedback is necessary on this interesting and important art work which has been improved to FA quality. (t · c) buidhe 13:10, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Human

Hi. Over the last few months the Human article has been transformed from this to its current state. This has involved a lot of citation hunting and reorganisation. This is in a push to get it to GA standard (see Talk:Human#Good article). It has been suggested that some input be sough from various wikiprojects as to further improvements. Please feel free to contribute or offer advice at this article. Regards Aircorn (talk) 00:53, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Modern Métis Woman AfC

Please can someone help with a review of the Draft:Modern Métis Woman. The AfC (Article for creation) is awaiting approval, and it's my first article. If anyone can help with a review, and edit, to be sure the "Tone" is correct, I would appreciate it. Is is also possible for help in an "official review" so the article can be approved? This is a registered charity that provides art scholarships. Noapplause (talk) 15:12, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Assistance with Gianfranco Fini

I need help with Gianfranco Fini. It is a draft that has been currenty declined. However, I feel it is a subject that is notable for Wikipedia. The issues I believe are mostly with references. Secondary, reliable references are mainly required for the page in English, Italian or other languages. Feel free to edit the page as per Wikipedia's standards. Gianfranco Fini is an Italian architect and designer. I will try to find more references and edit this as per Wikipedia guidelines too. Two similar subjects have a Wikipedia page created as well that is Renato Mambor and Mario Ceroli. Any assistance regarding this would be appreciated. Airship302 (talk) 07:54, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Support

Does anyone know how you can exit a WikiProject? Thanks! Billy Beagle (talk) 13:54 8 June 2021 UTC Billy Beagle (talk) 13:55, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Assistance regarding SINGULART

Hello, I would like assistance regarding the page SINGULART, an online art gallery based in Paris, France. It has received significant coverage in many international news outlets including The Guardian, and Forbes. I'm also declaring that I'm a paid editor. Assistance regarding the page would be highly appreciated. Precariousman123 (talk) 21:28, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Talk:Hokusai#"Illustrator"

Talk:Hokusai#"Illustrator" could use some more eyes, if anyone wishes to share an opinion. Aza24 (talk) 20:58, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Comments needed on painting FAC

Hello everyone. I'm trying to bring Tornado Over Kansas, a painting by American Regionalist John Steuart Curry, to FA-level, but the nomination is in need of reviews in the next few days before it gets archived. Please leave a comment at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Tornado Over Kansas/archive1 if you have time. Thanks, GeneralPoxter (talk • contribs) 00:49, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!

Hello, Please note that History of art, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of the Articles for improvement. The article is scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Community portal in the "Articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing! Delivered by — MusikBot talk 00:06, 13 September 2021 (UTC) on behalf of the AFI team

Allegorical Painting of Two Ladies, English School

I just created a draft for the painting Allegorical Painting of Two Ladies, English School which has been in the news due to a UK export ban. It is quite an interesting painting. Any help would be appreciated! Thank you, Thriley (talk) 05:16, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!

Hello, Please note that History of music, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of the Articles for improvement. The article is scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Community portal in the "Articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing! Delivered by — MusikBot talk 00:05, 3 January 2022 (UTC) on behalf of the AFI team

Olympic Art Competition

• Comment We need to address participation in the Olympics arts competitions. Which considering how well they were covered, the level of notability of the participants and other things, I am thinking do not show at all that someone is notable. Most of our articles on such people are like this Raphaël Van Dorpe, which has one non-significant mention, and no sustained coverage. Most of them do show up in some massive databases on artists, but at least on my first glance I at a few over the last 2 months I have not been seeing anything that comes close to showing significant coverage. These seem to in the main have been mass created by a user Lugnuts, who at times was creating sub-stub articles at the rate of 1 a minute. He created I believe tens if not hundreds of thousands of such articles. He has since been banned from creating new articles. So seeing an article created by him sourced only to a page like this [5] is not a good indication there are no other usable sources. I did some searching, and in this case I did not even find any references that were not Wikipedia mirrors. I have no good sense of what it takes to show an artist is notable, but I am sure there is no reasonable presumption that all these were notable. has over 1,700 articles, and this may not include the medalist sub-cats. I am also not convinced even the medalists are default notable. This is a matter those with background in arts articles need to consider. This should not be a reflection of sports standards, which it largely seems to have been until now.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:46, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources

Main page: User:Headbomb/unreliable

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:00, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Olympic Art Competitors

So I just came across the article on Ansgar Almquist. I was trying to find more sources to verify the content. I also suspect that Almquist did more in the field of art than enter work in one Olympic arts competition. I did find this which suggests that he did, although what I see there is not very much, and it is not a reliable source, and in fact I am not 100% sure that is the same Ansgar ALmquist. Mutual Art has this short blurd [https://www.mutualart.com/Artist/Ansgar-Almquist/4B69C749A332CACB/Biography which suggests that the first time a work of Almquist was aictioned was in 2019. Which makes me wonder, what happened to his works before? I have no clue if MutualArt is a reliable source, or user generated, or what. I have never develed much into the issues of sourcing articles on artists. I almost think most articles I have made on visual artists have ended up deleted. His Swedish Wikipedia article may have a bit more, but I do not know Swedish so I cannot really tell what type of sourcing may be used there.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:59, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

• A google book review turns up a large number of mentions, but these are often about specific works in specific places. If there is a good place to go that is a reliable source that will give a good bio of a sculptor I do not know. The Swedish Wikipedia article has the details to suggest it is out there, but I would like to see them sourced more clearly to a reliable source before I add them, but others may want to rush in on that.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:39, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
• The Swedish Wikipedia article does not mention his Olympic Arts competition role, but does say lots the English version does not say. I think a translation and addition of that to the English version might be in order, but I would defer to someone who has at least some grasp of Swedish, and would like it better if we could track down a few reliable secondary sources. There are at least 2 name mentions that show up in google books to make it sure that we can verrify that he was in the Olympic Arts Competition. There is a potential I think for an article of some substance here, the Swedish version has it but looks to use primary sources a little to much, and totally ignores the Olympic Arts Competition role. Which I think at least merits a brief mention, but I do not think should be the sum total of what are article says on him. I was hoping that I could find by posting here someone who knows relevant sourcing better and has more confidence in writing about art in a knowing way to write an article that will say the important things about Almquist's art contributions.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:39, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

AFD of interest

There is an AFD in progress which may be of interest to this WikiProject: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Russia's War Crimes House, regarding an article about an exhibition near the World Economic Forum in May.

Relatedly, is there a general article about art, monuments, memorials, museum exhibits, etc. that interpret the 2022 Russia-Ukraine conflict, whether balanced or POVish on either side? I wonder if this article might be merged into, as a possible resolution of the AFD. Or is other coverage of examples that might be combined to make a more general article? Please feel free to comment at the AFD. --Doncram (talk) 23:09, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Painting

Please, can you help me to find the author and title of this painting from Case Closed film 2? Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.8.15.94 (talk) 11:37, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Filippo Sgarlata

• On the Olympic Art competitors, my review of Category:1901 births just came across Filippo Sgarlata. He was a sculptor who was in the 1948 Olympic Arts competition. That is all our article says. The article was created by Lugnuts. the one source listed, Olympedia, has 3 paragraphs on Sgarlata. From the Olympedia article we learn that Sgarlata lived in the US from 1926-1932. We learn that he was a professor of sculpting in both Palermo and San Luca. He crfeated a gate for a notable building in 1961, and created some works that somehow were deemed to be "in line with fascists ideology". Is this one source enough to have this article survive? Porbably not? Was Sgarlata a notable sculptor? I am not sure, but really wish there was a way to get people to look into it more. I know there is a well developed set of notability criteria for artists, but I am less than sure what it is.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:48, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

  If you need more informations I suggest a site in Italian, that bears his name: https://www.filipposgarlata.it/vita_artista_filippo_sgarlata/ , it also has informations about some of his works. Hope this will help improve your research!. Niketto sr. (talk) 22:15, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Request for help

In the page Underwater art, I have made a list of potential issues. Perhaps helping to fix this page would be helpful. Maccore Henni user talk Respond using tb, please. 18:35, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Fungi in Art article draft - your fedback is highly appreciated

Dear art experts, I have created an article for submission on Fungi in Art. It's currently submitted from my sandbox. It's actually very long. I would thoroughly appreciate your contribution in reviewing the article and any feedbacks on how to improve it. I have transcluded several passages from exhisting pages (although these sections might need some editing and improvements too, later on). I hope the page will be accepted easily. I am excitied about seing this going live, I think it is a fascinating topic. Many thanks! CorradoNai (talk) 18:05, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Ruth Hartley

Y'all may want to take a look at this article. It appears to be part of this project but has no banner on the talk page. It also needs some copy-editing. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 07:19, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Leeds 13

Hi, please could you suggest the appropriate Arts project for Leeds 13 a collective of fine art students who produced two large-scale conceptual works as end-of-year projects instead of art objects? Thanks Arnhemcr (talk) 22:35, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

I'll go with WP:VISUALARTS which includes fine art. Arnhemcr (talk) 02:53, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Obituary for Henry Trueman Wood

I have transcribed the obituary "Sir H. Trueman Wood: the Royal Society of Arts". The Times (45095): 17. 8 January 1929. ISSN 0140-0460. Wikidata Q116982551., who as secretary of the Royal Society of Arts seems suitably notable for an article. There is an existing redlink to the article. Just in case, someone is interested in writing this article. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:13, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

search for experienced artlover (especially Conrete art/minimalism)

I'm at the moment busy with translating some articles on Concrete art from the German to the English wikipedia and i could use some help by an experienced writer of art-related articles. Someone willing to help? Kind regards, Naomi Hennig (talk) 15:25, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments

Quality assessments are used by Wikipedia editors to rate the quality of articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project decides to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:17, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

User:DGG/Eleazar (painter)

User:DGG has recently passed away, but he has left a draft at User:DGG/Eleazar (painter) which may be of interest to this project. BD2412 T 03:46, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Art Bridges article

Hello art community of Wikipedia, I have a draft I think will be of interest to editors here. In my user space, I have a draft on the Art Bridges Foundation. This foundation is a nonprofit meant to lend and share American art across the country. I'm asking others to review, given my conflict of interest. If there are any questions, please feel free to ask them on the Talk Page of the draft. Thank you Kt2011 (Talk · COI:Walton family) 15:26, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Fremantle Arts Centre

An editor has requested that Fremantle Arts Centre (organisation) be moved to Fremantle Arts Centre, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. Skyerise (talk) 14:13, 1 September 2023 (UTC)