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Add The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady

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The article largely talks about how it’s one of the greatest jazz albums ever made. It’s rated high on WikiProject Jazz, and as of this writing rateyourmusic has it as #14 on their overall album charts.

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  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 06:40, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
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  1. I say this as a jazz fan but it is extremely difficult for jazz albums to achieve a level of vitality similar to the other albums in different genres we list. We list Kind of Blue   4 because it had extraordinary cross-genre appeal and we also list A Love Supreme   5 because it is universally regarded as a top 3 jazz album of all time. I would bet most people in general wouldn't know Charles Mingus as compared to Miles Davis or John Coltrane and even jazz fans wouldn't be able to name this album. Even out of Mingus' discography, I would choose Mingus Ah Um over this since it is also considered one of the greatest jazz albums of all time and has two tracks with their own Wikipedia articles (including the well-known political protest track Fables of Faubus) as opposed to 0 on The Black Saint. Aurangzebra (talk) 07:20, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. Oppose per Aurangzebra. I think it would make sense to list more songs than albums from the jazz genre. Jazz standard is not yet a vital article even. --Makkool (talk) 07:57, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
    Oh man, didn't even notice that. Would support an add for Jazz standard. Aurangzebra (talk) 08:36, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 13:11, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
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Music genre proposals

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Swap Outsider music for Mandopop

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I believe there was some discussion on "outsider musicians" on the people section, and as someone who is at least somewhat familiar with the topic, I don't think its vital as it a somewhat niche and often-controversial term. The definition is rather murky and it can refer to people with mental illnesses, self-taught musicians, ir even sometimes works from "established" musicians (Trout Mask Replica is mentioned in the article). I think listing the more common term Outsider art   4 alone is a better term. As for Mandopop, we already list J-pop   5 and K-pop   5 so alongside it I think them I think it also makes sense to list a representative for popular music in the PRC, until recently the most populous country in the world (there is also C-pop, but I believe that term was only termed in correlation to the other two, whereas Mandopop has more interwikis and pageviews).

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  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 23:48, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. Support removal. feminist🩸 (talk) 06:46, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. Support removal per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:01, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. Swap with Cantopop, per below. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:00, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
  5. Swap with Cantopop instead Makkool (talk) 15:13, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
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  1. Add Cantopop   5 instead, which has higher page views than Mandopop. feminist🩸 (talk) 06:46, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. Add Cantopop per feminist. Mandopop being only named after Cantopop existed showed how Cantopop had significantly spread cross culturally first. starship.paint (RUN) 12:01, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
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Swap Muzak for Latin pop

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Muzak seems rather redundant when we already list Background music   5, Easy listening   5 and Lounge music   5, so I think the former brand name needs to go. Latin pop sort of works as an answer to K-pop/J-pop/Mandopop even if it doesn't exactly mean "Spanish-language pop", but even so "J-pop" isn't synonymous with "Japanese popular music" et al, and "Latin" here covers a vast region.

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  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 23:48, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:10, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:00, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
  4. Support swap: background music already covers Muzak/elevator music well. Makkool (talk) 15:13, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
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Swap Progressive music for Progressive rock

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I assume "progressive music" is here as an attempt to use an umbrella term that includes progressive rock, but as a term it doesn't even refer so much to any specific style as it does various subgenres with "progressive" in the name. The only other "progressive" genres that are really linked to prog rock are Progressive metal (which makes sense given that metal is pretty directly derived from rock), progressive pop and maybe Progressive soul, although that ones a lot less direct. In any case, all three of those are much less vital or well-known as progressive rock, which has far higher pageviews and interwikis than all of them or the umbrella page, and is one of the most significant rock genres.

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  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 23:48, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:10, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:00, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
  4. Prog rock is definitely the most vital type of prog. Makkool (talk) 15:13, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add Fantasy literature  5

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Added 4-0. Makkool (talk) 14:52, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

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Fantasy   4 is V4 but it has no V5 children outside the recently added invisibility. This seems like a major subtopic. Suprisingly, science fiction literature is just a redirect. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:57, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:46, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
  2. Support --Thi (talk) 09:53, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 09:55, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. Definitely support--Zorro2212 (talk) 11:28, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
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Add Simulation hypothesis  5

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Fun/mindblowing stuff that both philosophers and sf writers tackle, influencing popculture too. 23 interwikis, ~1k daily page views. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:23, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:23, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
  2. As someone who does not look into philosophy very much, I have thought about this myself a few times. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:24, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
  3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:48, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 08:48, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add Balance of trade and Balance of payments

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Added, BoT 7-0 and BoP 6-1. Makkool (talk) 18:46, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

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These are indicators of the sustainability of a country's economy, with major influence on international finance and trade policy.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 15:41, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:45, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
  3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 09:07, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
  4. Support BOT-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:23, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
  5. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:00, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
  6. Support per nom. Gizza (talk) 01:39, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
  7. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 09:44, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
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  1. BOP-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:23, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
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Add Globalism  5

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A major concept in political science and within Globalization   3.

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  1. As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 08:08, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per nom. Significant oversight. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:33, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
  3. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 09:56, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 02:05, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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  • Meh, neo-nationalism seems like a better candidate, nowadays at least. The Blue Rider   15:09, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
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Swap: Remove National Congress of Brazil, Add Parliament of India  5

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Added 7-0, removed 6-1. Makkool (talk) 19:01, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

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We currently only list four national legislatures: Brazil, China, the U.K., and the U.S. Of the four, Brazil seems odd since it is only a major regional (not global) power, and it has a presidential system of government. I would prefer to have the Indian parliament. India is a much, much, larger country that can be considered an emerging global power. It also seems that, on the English Wikipedia, the legislature of the world's largest Anglophone country would be vital enough for this level.

Support
  1. As nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:46, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
  2. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 15:36, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
  3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:51, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 08:29, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
  5. Support addition.. Neutral on removal. Gizza (talk) 01:41, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
  6. India could use a bit more representation compared to the US and UK. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:35, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
  7. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 21:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
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  1. Oppose removal. This list is not anglophone centric and Brazil is regional power on South America just like India is in South Asia. The Blue Rider   22:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Mammary intercourse  5, possible swap with fingering (sexual act)

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Clear consensus to add Fingering (sexual act) with 6 supports, but swapping it with Mammary intercourse only gained two supports and was otherwise opposed. λ NegativeMP1 16:57, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

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Not entirely sure why mammary intercourse is listed here: fairly niche sexual act (in the grand scheme of all sexual acts) and doesn't have the same cultural legacy as the other acts we include. We can possibly replace it with fingering which is much more common and addresses sysbias a bit since it lends itself more towards female sexuality. Fingering also wins in all the metrics: 54 interwikis vs 47 interwikis, 6000 daily page views vs 2300.

Support
  1. Support swap as nom Aurangzebra (talk) 23:03, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
  2. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 01:58, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
  3. Support add/Oppose remove. MI may seem niche in comparison to F(sa) because not all breast cleavage is sufficient to host MI, while all vagina are able to host F(sa). MI may be less common than Oral and digital/manual breast engagement, but I am not convinced MI is trivial.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:52, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
    Swap per nom Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:26, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
  4. Change to support add/oppose remove per TonyTheTiger and Piotrus. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 10:38, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
  5. That's quite a statement, TonyTheTiger. Support addition per nominator. The Blue Rider   15:42, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
  6. Support addition Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 12:19, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Oppose removal, no objection to addition. 47 interwikis, over 2k daily pageviews. We should have room for this kind of fetish - the numbers do not suggest it is too niche for V5. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:39, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. Oppose removal per Piotrus. The Blue Rider   15:42, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
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Swap Japanese bondage for Sadomasochism

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Swapped 7-1. Aurangzebra (talk) 18:34, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

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Japanese bondage/kinbaku/shibari is a rather niche subset or style of bondage that lacks the overall level of societal recognition or importance as most of the other activities listed under the sexuality section, while Sadomasochism, the most well-known part of the BDSM acronym and one with which BDSM as a whole is often confused with (BDSM is an umbrella term that also includes "Bondage and discipline" and "dominance and submission" as these may not necessarily involve pain, which is what sadomasochism refers to specifically) is conspicuously absent.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 23:50, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. Seens reasonable. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:33, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
  3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:38, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
  4. I was thinking "I'm surprised the latter isn't listed" then realized BDSM   4 is. Still, a fair proposal. feminist🚰 (talk) 02:52, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 03:31, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
  6. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:08, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
  7. Per nom. The broader article is more vital. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:54, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Japanese bondage is the most common form of bondage, not that niche. Sadomasochism is already covered by other articles. The Blue Rider   14:10, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
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Add Color field

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For some reason, this is a respected type of art. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:37, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. As nominator. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:37, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. I have no idea why this is so popular but it is. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:59, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
  3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 06:06, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 02:21, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add Risk  5

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5-0 Aurangzebra (talk) 18:29, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

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The reason why Insurance   3 exists. Can plausibly be at V4. Place this under Economics.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:14, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:39, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
  3. Support, but I think it would be better under Everyday Life than Economics. It is not a strictly economic term, it is part of all areas of life. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:18, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
    Well, yeah, it's part of all areas of life in the same way Oxygen   3 and Curiosity   4 are, but that alone doesn't mean it should be placed under Everyday life. Risk guides decision-making, and judging the level of risk to make a choice or another is primarily an economics topic with some psychology involved. feminist🩸 (talk) 01:59, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. Risk (game)   5 but not Risk? starship.paint (RUN) 01:19, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
  5. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:17, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add soul food

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4-0 Aurangzebra (talk) 18:25, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

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Culinary traditions of African-Americans.

Support
  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 08:28, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 09:45, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 08:45, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:19, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add Tom's Diner

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Not added 1-2. starship.paint (RUN) 12:51, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

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This song played a huge part in the development of the MP3.

Support
  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 22:41, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. Not vital enough as a song --Makkool (talk) 21:33, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. Niche trivia in the development of Digital audio. feminist🩸 (talk) 01:59, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Discuss
  • Huh? Isn't MP3 a format for audio? The Blue Rider   00:58, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
    The song was used for testing digital compression. SailorGardevoir (talk) 01:28, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Tuvan language

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The Siberian Turkic language family has c. 750k-1m speakers, so Yakut should cover it well. Tuvan’s native speakers are at ~250k. No, these kinds of languages are not vital at V5. Vileplume (talk) 01:03, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume (talk) 01:03, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. In general, we really need to clean up the languages section. As I mention in one of the threads above, we list languages with 200k speakers and don't list some with 4+ million. Aurangzebra (talk) 01:08, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
    I also disagree with every country’s official languages being vital. What else makes languages like Nauruan language   5, Tuvaluan language   5, etc. vital at V5? Vileplume (talk) 01:16, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
    You mentioned here that we could regularly have some subsection for focused work. That would be fun to do for languages for example. There are languages with no speakers but that are culturally important like Syriac language   5 and languages with millions of speakers like Chhattisgarhi language   5 that doesn't seem to have anything else significant about them. It would be good to hear more people's opinions on what to include and on what basis. --Makkool (talk) 12:49, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. Support per nom. --Makkool (talk) 17:28, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 02:56, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add James Bond  5

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Added 8-1, no consensus for swap. Kevinishere15 (talk) 00:21, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

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Pretty famous series. Note that this is different from James Bond (literary character)   4, who is at V4. But the series should be V5 at least. Or perhaps a swap can be considered later - I have trouble deciding what is more vital (the character or the series). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:03, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:03, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 12:53, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:19, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. Support either add or swap with the character per TompaDompa. Aurangzebra (talk) 21:35, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
  5. Support addition. Oppose swap. Don’t forget that James Bond the character is a level 4 article. SailorGardevoir (talk) 22:23, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
  6. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 12:51, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
  7. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:25, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
  8. 🥒Greenish Pickle!🥒 (🔔) 05:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
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  • I don't think we should list the franchise and character separately, and I think the inclusion of the character over the franchise is a rather obvious error. I would unreservedly support a swap. TompaDompa (talk) 13:34, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
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Add Gelatin dessert  5

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Added 4-0. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:13, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

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Also known as jelly or jello.

Support
  1. As nominator. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:47, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:16, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 02:12, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:24, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Führer

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Last comment 14 days ago. Removed 6-0. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

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This title was basically only ever used by Adolf Hitler   3 and a few other German Nazis. As such, it overlaps a good bit with Dictator   5. It does not need to be listed.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:56, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
  3. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:13, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
  4. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 12:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
  5. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:48, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
  6. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 00:02, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
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Swap: Remove Crédit Agricole, add UBS  5

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I'm not seeing the need to include two French banks at the moment. IMO, the largest private bank in the world is more important than the world's largest cooperative financial institution.

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  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:03, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 15:09, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
  3. We should list a Swiss bank because they are known for bank secrecy. Especially since UBS merged with Credit Suisse, making it even more important as the only big Swiss bank. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:59, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 02:09, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add Megami Tensei and/or Mass Effect

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Megami Tensei is highly popular in Japan, inspired Pokémon's monster collecting mechanic, and spawned the Persona series which has become very well-known internationally. It was one of the earliest video games to have mature storytelling and one of the earliest RPGs to have moral choices and multiple endings.

Mass Effect is one of the most important Western RPG series, created the dialogue wheel, and is noted for its representation of LGBT relationships.

Cadevo86 (talk) 17:09, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

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  1. Support Mass Effect. We had a big disucssion and manga/anime and I don't think MT was mentioned; and as someone interested in these topics, subjectively, I think ME is more famous. Interesting oversight, given we list IMHO too many video games already. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:12, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
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  1. We need less video game articles. Would reconsider if paired with articles to swap with. Makkool (talk) 20:47, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Conditional factor demands and Expansion path

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I propose to remove these to balance some of the recent additions we've made in economics. You are unlikely to hear these concepts outside of class.

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  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 23:56, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
  2. 2 interwikis each. Niche. starship.paint (RUN) 14:24, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
  3. Makkool (talk) 16:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
  4. The articles do not explain why these topics are important. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:25, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add Open world  5

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A very important part of video games. It has existed since The Legend of Zelda (video game)   5 in the 1980s and was popular then, but it has since become really popular with the more recent console generations. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim   5, The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild   5, and Grand Theft Auto V   5 are all good examples of open world games.

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  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:16, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
  2. Would easily list this before Skyrim or The Witcher (proposed for removal above). λ NegativeMP1 00:52, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
  3. Important concept in games. Kevinishere15 (talk) 03:25, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
  4. Support, as proposed above. Mokadoshi (talk) 02:29, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
  5. Minecraft as well. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 10:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
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Add 1989 (album)

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No longer agree with this nomination and it had little to no chance of passing anyways. λ NegativeMP1 17:33, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

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Debatably the most important album from the discography of Taylor Swift   4. For being one of the most popular entertainers/artists of the 21st century thus far, it feels bizzare that none of her music is considered vital, and I think this album would be the one to list. This, alongside Red (Taylor Swift album), are generally considered the two main albums that made Swift the pop icon she is today. It was considered one of the best albums of the decade, the century, of all time, and also produced some of her most well known music (namely Blank Space, Shake It Off, and Bad Blood (Taylor Swift song), all of which were subject to their own analysis). It's not possible to list all of the retrospecitve commentary on this album in a nomination confined to a paragraph or two, but even a skim of the article's legacy section proves that this album would be deserving of vitality in my opinion. A similar case could be made with the aforementioned Red as well, but this one seems to have been more impactful to the music industry, and listing two of her albums may be a bit much at this current point in time. λ NegativeMP1 04:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

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  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 04:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Eurasian Economic Community

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A defunct organization superseded by the Eurasian Economic Union   5.

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  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
  2. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 12:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
  3. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:43, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:19, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
  5. J947 ‡ edits 07:08, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Book of the Civilized Man

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Presumably added because it is "believed to be the first English courtesy book", but it does not appear to have been particularly influential. Author Daniel of Beccles does not even have a Wiki page.

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  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 03:19, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
  2. Courtesy book is not even listed at VA5, and I'm not sure if it should be. This book should not be anywhere near the list. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:45, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
  3. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 12:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
  4. Per nom. With Etiquette   4, Emily Post would be an infinitely better choice. Note Baldassare Castiglione   5 as well, on this subject. J947 ‡ edits 07:06, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
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Remove The Secret of Monkey Island

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This game was really well-received, but we can't have every "best game of all time" on the list, and there are games like Super Mario World and Metroid Prime that are not listed despite having more sourcing for their position as "best game of all time" on that list. Additionally, this game is a subtopic of LucasArts adventure games   5, which is already listed, so the game would still be represented.

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  1. As nom, although I would also be willing to support removing LucasArts adventure games   5 instead if that would be preferred. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:04, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
  2. I have to give a reluctant support, as we did already vote to remove Planescape: Torment. We have to strictly limit what games we can list, and old school cult classics have less standing on the list than really innovating video games. Makkool (talk) 15:12, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
  3. I am a fan and thought about removing this; LucasArts adventure games   5 is enough.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 15:55, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
  4. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 12:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
  5. We need a reconsideration of what video games truly qualify to be the most vital articles for an encyclopedia. Just because something was popular or a "cult classic" doesn't mean it left an impact on the entire industry. LucasArts adventure games   5 is already listed, and that's good in my opinion. λ NegativeMP1 20:22, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
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  1. I would prefer to remove LucasArts adventure games instead as that's the page with much lower traffic and even collectively, I don't think they are as clearly defined as a single group as say, a single series/franchise would be. Iostn (talk) 19:21, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
  2. Oppose per Iost, and I generally prefer to list the most important individual games rather than overall franchises Kevinishere15 (talk) 00:54, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
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Move Back to the Future  5 to Science fiction and fantasy

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Its own article lists it as a science fiction movie first and foremost, it's also a comedy but it's primarily sci-fi. Kevinishere15 (talk) 04:16, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

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  1. As nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 04:16, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
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  1. I think subcategory moves fall under the purview of WP:BOLD. Feel free to go ahead and make the change; if anyone disagrees, they can revert and start a new discussion. Aurangzebra (talk) 04:31, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
    1. That's what I'll do Kevinishere15 (talk) 04:38, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
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Add Sarong  5

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A fabric wrapped around the waist, worn in Southeast Asia, South Asia, Western Asia, Northern Africa, East Africa, West Africa, and on many Pacific islands.

Support
  1. As nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 06:24, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. Iostn (talk) 21:47, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. 45 interwikis. starship.paint (RUN) 10:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:25, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add Youth  5

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Place this under Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/4/Everyday life#Stages of life. Surprising omission imo.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 01:53, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:50, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. ... wasted on the young. Key stage of life. starship.paint (RUN) 12:49, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. Support --Makkool (talk) 21:36, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
  5. Whereas Teenager redirects to Adolescence, Youth is considered notably different. Not opposed to a redirect though.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:25, 14 April 2024 (UTC)


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  1. Redundant to Adolescence   3 IMO. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:50, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
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Add Vitality

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I am sure we can come up with good puns, but it is a vital concept at V5 either way. Well, I possibly. Just 4 interwikis. Discuss? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:55, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:55, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
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  1. I think this is too vague, unfortunately, and that reflects in the lwo interwikis. starship.paint (RUN) 05:39, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per Starship. The same can be said about Importance. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:27, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. Per Starship. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 13:54, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. Ironically, vitality is not vital. It is also not about vitality as our project uses the word. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:09, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Accidental Death of an Anarchist

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No assertion of lasting impact or top importance in field (drama) czar 18:38, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

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  1. czar 18:38, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. 14 interwikis but no claim of significance in the article; it's notable but vital? Why? The article does not suggest it is more than just an average drama, comprable to thousands of others that got some minor acclaim. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:56, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:23, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:12, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
  5. Not vital Gizza (talk) 23:50, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
  6. λ NegativeMP1 01:09, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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  1. not particularly familiar with this work so will abstain from voting but it appears to be High-Importance over at Wikiproject Theater. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:38, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
    With no justification in either language Wikipedia's article so I don't read that as accurate czar 06:10, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Akamai Technologies  5

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An Internet infrastructure operator. It's not insignificant, but I can't say I would put it on a list of the world's top ~250 most important companies. There are many other companies which are just as or more important to the supply chain of their industry which we don't list .

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 09:23, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 16:18, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
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  1. Basically invented content delivery networks. Without this, we wouldn't be able to do anything that we take for granted on the Internet today: everything from loading a news page with many high-res images to watching HD movies on Netflix with minimal latency. Aurangzebra (talk) 03:42, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
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Remove On Writing: A Memoir of the Craft

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Stephen King's memoirs. Far from his best-known work.

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  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 23:56, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
  2. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 14:27, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
  3. λ NegativeMP1 04:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 22:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Law of Austria and Law of Belgium

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Legal system of smallish countries. Not many distinctive elements about them. Low pageviews and interwikis as well.

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  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 23:56, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
  2. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 14:29, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
  3. Makkool (talk) 16:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
  4. Not really worth listing. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:13, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
  5. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:27, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
  6. λ NegativeMP1 04:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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Add Praise  5

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Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:38, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 11:04, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
  3. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:39, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. Great catch by feminist! starship.paint (RUN) 05:42, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
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Add Lease  5

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Place under Banking and financing

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  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:15, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:43, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
  3. Important concept in business. starship.paint (RUN) 01:20, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 02:43, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
  5. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:16, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add Cheating  5 to Interpersonal relations

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A prevalent type of action that is here to stay.

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  1. as nom. starship.paint (RUN) 11:23, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 12:41, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. At first I thought this referred to cheating in relationships, but that article is entitled Infidelity   4. In any case, this is an easy support. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:32, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. Per feminist. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 00:33, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
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Add Self-defense  5

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A very common practice.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:29, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 09:36, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. Makes sense. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:54, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:14, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
  5. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:36, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Miss America  5, Miss International and Miss Earth

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Viewership and general interest in beauty pageants have decreased dramatically in recent years, and we currently list five specific ones as vital (the others being Miss Universe   5 and Miss World   5). I note we have very few participants as Vital people: Armi Kuusela   5 and Margaret Gorman   5.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:52, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:26, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 11:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. Per nom Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 05:00, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Mixed
  1. Oppose Miss America due to the fact it was arguably the inspiration for the others. Support the other two per nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:19, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per Presidentman.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:34, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. Per presidentman. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 20:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
  4. Per Presidentman. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:50, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add Fashion week  5 and Haute couture  5

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Two of the most important concepts in Fashion   3. The former is often exchangeable with the "Big Four" fashion capital events.

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  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:54, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. Support Fashion week. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:26, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. Support fashion week; I've already supported Haute couture above. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:18, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:04, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
  5. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:45, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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I've nominated Haute couture above. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:26, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Femininity  5 and Masculinity  5

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Culturally significant, worldwide.

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  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:36, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 10:29, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:22, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:48, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:56, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
  6. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 02:27, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
  7. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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Economics concepts

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Add Competition (economics)   5

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It is strange that we list Perfect competition   4 at V4 when it is more of a theoretical concept and teaching tool than something that reasonably describes markets. The general concept is more realistic and it is commonplace in capitalist economies.

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  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 05:34, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 12:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
  4. Makkool (talk) 18:57, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add Cost   5

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It's a bit self-evident but no less important. We incur costs all the time, most inescapably in Opportunity cost   5.

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  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:55, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:17, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. Per nominator. The Blue Rider   09:59, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
  5. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 18:30, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
  6. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:47, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add Utility   5

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This concept underpins a lot of neoclassical microeconomics and its philosophical foundations, particularly the idea of utility maximization as the motivation of economic agents.

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  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. How do we not have this Aurangzebra (talk) 01:54, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:17, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. Per nominator. The Blue Rider   09:59, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
  5. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 18:31, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
  6. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:47, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add Political economy   5

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Although this overlaps some with Classical economics   5, it’s a continuing area of study with applications in policy analysis, economic distribution, international relations, etc.

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  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:55, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. The predecessor of economics. The Blue Rider   09:59, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 05:33, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
  5. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 10:07, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
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Add Economic equilibrium   5

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Another major concept. A framework for understanding how markets operate, how prices are determined, how agents make decisions, and how resources are allocated.

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  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider   09:59, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 12:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
  4. Makkool (talk) 18:57, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
  5. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
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Add Economic model   5

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These are the workhorses in most of the profession. Paraphrasing Paul Krugman, economics can be considered a collection of models. We already list several, most notably Supply and demand   3.

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  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider   09:59, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 12:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
  4. Makkool (talk) 18:57, 28 April 2024 (UTC)


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(not OP) Add Pareto efficiency   5

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Often considered the ultimate objective of economics. The Blue Rider   09:59, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider   09:59, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. Always struck me as a very memorable concept (still remember it from my student days). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:36, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 23:43, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
  4. Makkool (talk) 18:57, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
  5. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
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Add Question  5

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Why is this not listed? Maybe place this under Information   4 in Social studies

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  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:49, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. How is this not listed? starship.paint (RUN) 15:01, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
  3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:41, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
  4. Yes. J947 ‡ edits 09:21, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
  5. I ask questions every day. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:17, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
  6. I question why this isn't listed. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 22:43, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
  7. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:13, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add Petition  5

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Place under Politics and government maybe?

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  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:51, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:42, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
  3. Obviously. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:20, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:22, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
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Add Vesak  5

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Major Buddhist holiday that's not yet listed.

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  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:19, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
  2. The most important festival in a religion with over 500 million adherents. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:49, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
  3. Major omission. starship.paint (RUN) 01:25, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
  4. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add Real-time strategy  5

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Very popular video game genre. An odd omission, considering that Turn-based strategy   5 is listed.

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  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 20:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:58, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
  3. Very popular game genre, and there are plenty of individual game removals below that can make room for this to be included. Oppose swap, as turn-based strategy is even more important. @Aurangzebra: Do you think you could support this now that plenty of other game topics are being removed in other sections? QuicoleJR (talk) 15:57, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
  4. @QuicoleJR: If you all think this is very important, I trust. Aurangzebra (talk) 18:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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Would support a swap with Turn-based strategy   5 but not an outright addition. I definitely think we have way too many video game related articles so unless an exclusion is egregious, I'm apt to oppose. Aurangzebra (talk) 06:30, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Turn-based strategy was added last December, so only four months ago. Makkool (talk) 11:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add French New Wave  5

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This seems like a glaring omission from the history of film, especially if the Disney Renaissance   5 is included. A revolutionary film movement of experimentation in style, editing, and political/philosophical substance that rejected traditional filmmaking. Countless filmmakers and films related with the French New Wave are considered vital, including Jean-Luc Godard   4, François Truffaut   4, and Breathless (1960 film)   4. CopiousAmountofCannons (talk) 04:11, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. As nom. CopiousAmountofCannons (talk) 18:44, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. Makkool (talk) 08:16, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. pbp 21:27, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
  4. Especially since Italian neorealism   5 is also listed Iostn (talk) 13:13, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
  5. Notable omission Aurangzebra (talk) 01:09, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
  6. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 12:39, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
  7. Commonly covered in film history.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:58, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
  8. λ NegativeMP1 18:48, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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  1. I presume this proposal was meant for the Society section so I will move it there. Aurangzebra (talk) 22:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
    I disagree, it belongs more in history. The French New Wave isn't a specific genre or style, it was a movement that lasted from the late 50s to late 60s. Italian neorealism   5 and New Hollywood   5 for example were also movements in film history in the history section of VA articles. CopiousAmountofCannons (talk) 03:14, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
    Ah my apologies. For some reason, I thought the other movements were under the Film section but I completely misread. Moving it back. Aurangzebra (talk) 18:22, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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Add Pharmacy (shop)  5

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Pretty important alongside grocery store. Interstellarity (talk) 21:43, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

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  1. Interstellarity (talk) 21:43, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. λ NegativeMP1 04:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. definitely, per nom. starship.paint 14:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
  4. Not quite as important as a grocery store but still vital. Kevinishere15 (talk) 00:17, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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Add Grocery store  5

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Should be added alongside Shopping. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

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  1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. Support  Carlwev  22:26, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Pretty important. Kevinishere15 (talk) 02:40, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:24, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
  5. λ NegativeMP1 04:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
  6. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 22:44, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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Add Namco  5 and Sega  5

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These two are more important to video games than basically every other video game development studio/publisher listed right now minus Nintendo   4 (not counting Sony   5 due to their other ventures). Namco created several video games we already consider vital (namely Pac-Man   5 and Galaga   5), which were some of the most important and remembered games in Amusement arcade   5s, as well as to the industry as a whole. I'd even opt getting rid of Galaga   5 in exchange for listing Namco, but this isn't a swap proposal.

Meanwhile, Sega   5 was the main competitor with Nintendo for a while and created Sonic the Hedgehog   5, as well its titular character (Sonic the Hedgehog (character)   5), arguably the third most iconic video game character behind Mario (and maybe Pac-Man). Both companies will undoubtably be relevant to video games for as long as the industry exists, just like Nintendo. Listing Blizzard Entertainment   5 and Electronic Arts   5 but not these seems like a massive oversight. λ NegativeMP1 19:48, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 19:48, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. Support both, feel stronger case for Sega though. Don't we already list things like the genesis and Sonic character and series. Company is more important than those.  Carlwev  22:24, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Support Sega-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:24, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
  4. Support both Iostn (talk) 13:04, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
  5. Support Sega, weak support Namco. Am certain that Pikachu   5 is in the top three video game characters of all time and that Hatsune Miku   5 should be removed. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 19:54, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
    I think that, if we have as many superhero and animation characters listed as we do, we can give room for characters like Miku to be considered vital since her recognition spans beyond video games. You can't say that about many other video game characters. λ NegativeMP1 17:32, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
    I would agree. Most video game characters don't have real-world concerts that attract thousands of fans from across the world. There are other characters we can remove first. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:04, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
    I personally think that the video game characters we list right now are basically the perfect five for vitality. Four pop culture icons, and one that was highly influential to the industry ( Lara Croft   5.) I don't know who we could remove, or who we could add. λ NegativeMP1 20:00, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
  6. Support both per nom. Very important gaming companies. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:54, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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Add Chinese calligraphy  5

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Calligraphy   3 is VA3, and this form is very culturally important across East Asia, and has been for centuries. 28 interwikis is a good amount, and this article is rated Top-Importance by WikiProject China and WikiProject Religion and High-Importance by WikiProject Japan and WikiProject Korea.

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  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:02, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
  2. Calligraphy only has one subtopic, here's a second. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 14:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Surprising omission in my opinion. starship.paint 14:25, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
  4. A V3 topic should definitely have more subtopics. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
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  • Just a note that I've proposed to downgrade Calligraphy   3 to V4. starship.paint 14:19, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
    Even if that passes, we should still have this on the list. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:06, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
    Obviously I agree. starship.paint 03:32, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
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Add Budget  5 to Accounting

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Key accounting concept. 76 interwikis. starship.paint 02:04, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

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  1. as nom. starship.paint 02:04, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
  2. definitely Aurangzebra (talk) 05:27, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
  3. Support, although I'm not sure if we have the budget for this. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:42, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
  4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
  5. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:47, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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Add Training  5

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An important subtopic of Teaching, which is proposed above.

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  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 06:20, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 12:11, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
  3. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:34, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 02:23, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add Scientific racism  5

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A practice which has led to major implications, such as the policies of the Nazi Party.

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  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 09:48, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. Similar to the topics I proposed a while ago that do not seem to be passing; all affected millions negatively. Sadly vital. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:48, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. Support --Thi (talk) 10:14, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 02:39, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add Screaming  5

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This is probably somewhat weaker than #Add Crying or #Add Laughter above, but should still be appropriate for V5.

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  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 13:02, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 13:10, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
  3. starship.paint 15:18, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
  4. Should be listed. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:22, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
  5. Aaargh. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:49, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
  6. \(°〇°)/ Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 22:41, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
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Add Joy  5

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Some overlap with Happiness   3 but at V5 it should be listed.

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  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 13:15, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makes sense. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:21, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
  3. A joyful idea indeed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:53, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 02:40, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add Catharsis  5

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Place under Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Society_and_social_sciences/Social_studies#Emotions_and_traits

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  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:04, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:38, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
  3. 52 interwikis. starship.paint 01:17, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 02:40, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add Wuxia  5

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A genre of Chinese fiction that has existed for centuries, has cross-cultural appeal, and has been adapted to virtually every medium.

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  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:21, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. With Jin Yong   4 (rightly) at V4, the genre of his works should be listed. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:51, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. per above. Good balance for systemic bias. starship.paint 11:58, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 01:55, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
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Swap: Remove Taipei People, add The True Story of Ah Q  5

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I'll quote LaukkuTheGreit: Taipei People: 37th least viewed VA5/Arts article according to the bottom 10% list I've posted earlier. ~12 daily pageviews, 1 interwiki. Although praised in the Receptions section, I think in this case the obscurity outweighs the acclaim (and the high opinions are cited only to two people anyway). Moreover, we already list some other Chinese 20th century fiction such as Rickshaw Boy   5, Diary of a Madman (Lu Xun)   5, Fortress Besieged   5 and Red Sorghum (novel)   5, all of which get more pageviews.

Per the article, The True Story of Ah Q is generally held to be a masterpiece of modern Chinese literature, since it is considered the first piece of work to fully utilize vernacular Chinese after the 1919 May 4th Movement in China.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 12:58, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. This swap I can support --Makkool (talk) 13:03, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint 14:22, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. At least it's an improvement.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 16:08, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
  5. makes sense Aurangzebra (talk) 01:55, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
  6. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 02:28, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Constitutional Commission  5 and Golden rule (law)

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Removed 4-0 both, no votes in over a month. starship.paint 09:16, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

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Niche concepts in constitutional law. Zero interwikis.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 04:46, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 11:48, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint 01:50, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add Hokkien  5 to Vital Sino-Tibetan languages

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We list the language Taiwanese Hokkien, but not the wider Hokkien language, which is also spoken by millions in China, Malaysia, Singapore, Philippines, and hundreds of thousands in Indonesia and Cambodia. 25 interwikis.

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  1. as nominator (and OK with swap). starship.paint 14:59, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. Support as a straight addition currently but if space needs to be made, Taiwanese Hokkien can be swapped out. Gizza (talk) 04:03, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
  3. Support only swap. We already list 16 varieties of Chinese. One possibility could be Huizhou Chinese which only has 5,4 million speakers, compared to 27,7 million Hokkien speakers in total. I wouldn't swap Taiwanese Hokkien with much more speakers. --Makkool (talk) 12:42, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
  4. Swap with Taiwanese Hokkien. How did that even happen? SailorGardevoir (talk) 22:15, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
  5. Support only swap with Taiwanese Hokkien. EleniXDD※Talk 08:22, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add Purple Rain (album)

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Added 5-0. λ NegativeMP1 06:37, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

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I know we already have Sign o’ the Times on here, but this is Prince’s best selling album. It’s Prince’s first album to reach number one on the Billboard 200. It’s believed to have sold 25 million copies worldwide. It inspired the Parental Advisory sticker. And all nine of its tracks (including “When Doves Cry”, “Let’s Go Crazy”, and its title track) have their own article. SailorGardevoir (talk) 10:10, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

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  1. As nom. SailorGardevoir (talk) 10:12, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 21:38, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
  3. Support --Makkool (talk) 19:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:56, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
  5. Per nom. CopiousAmountofCannons (talk) 02:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
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Add Quality of life  5

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Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 13:21, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 13:36, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
  3. Important for all. starship.paint 15:02, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
  4. Obviously. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:43, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
  5. Major component for welfare states. The Blue Rider   13:28, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
  6. Wish mine was better ◔_◔ Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 22:42, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
  7. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:46, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add Yaoi  5

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Added 4-0. Also soon starting another discussion to add Yuri (genre). λ NegativeMP1 21:50, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

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A genre of fiction written by women for women featuring same-sex relationships dating back to the 1970s. 1485 daily views last year, 44 interwikis.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 16:22, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:41, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. --EleniXDD※Talk 06:51, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 02:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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  1. Should we also nominate its counterpart, Yuri (genre)? Vileplume (talk) 01:17, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
    Good catch. I'll support it if nominated. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:44, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
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Swap Metallica (album)  5 with Master of Puppets (and maybe Enter Sandman)

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Not enough consensus to swap, remove, or add. Been nearly two months since the last comment, so I'm closing. λ NegativeMP1 06:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

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It might be a little hypocritical to advocate this while also pushing for the inclusion of Prince’s Purple Rain album, but while I think that album is just as vital as Sign o’ the Times, I don’t feel the same way regarding Metallica’s self-titled album. Yes, it made Metallica one of the biggest bands on the planet, but Master of Puppets is not only held to be their greatest album, it’s also held to be one of the greatest metal albums of all time, especially in the realm of extreme metal. Maybe we can also add “Enter Sandman” as a compromise?

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  1. Support swap with Master of Puppets only. SailorGardevoir (talk) 06:59, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
  2. Support swap, and addition of "Enter Sandman". Easily Metallica's most vital album (and Enter Sandman is a good replacement for the removed Black Album) --Makkool (talk) 19:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. Support addition --Thi (talk) 10:17, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
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  1. Not really convinced Master of Puppets is more vital than the Black Album as a cultural landmark. Iostn (talk) 23:24, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
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Title removals

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Considering that King   5 and President (government title)   5 are only VA5, some of these more obscure titles should not be listed. I have nominated a few below, and nominated Führer in a separate section above.

Remove Grand duke

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Only ever used by Luxembourg and some old European city-states that have since become part of larger countries.

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  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 12:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
  3. Iostn (talk) 18:53, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint 01:04, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Archduke

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It was only ever used by the Habsburgs of Austria.

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  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 12:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
  3. --Thi (talk) 14:06, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint 01:04, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Khan (title)

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Outside of its use by Genghis Khan and the other rulers of the Mongol Empire, this has never really been a very important title. The first sentence even explicitly says that the term is like King   5, and I don't think anyone will argue that it is at the same level of importance.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 12:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
  3. --Thi (talk) 14:06, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint 01:04, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Esquire   5

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Not really significant in any way.

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  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 12:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
  3. --Thi (talk) 14:06, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint 01:04, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
  5. sort of just an honorific.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:28, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Satrap

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The title for a provincial ruler in a few ancient empires. Not seeing the significance.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 12:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
  3. --Thi (talk) 14:06, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint 01:04, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Shah

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Another word for king, used by the Iranians and a few other related societies. It literally translates to king.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 12:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
  3. --Thi (talk) 14:07, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint 01:04, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
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