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Milwaukee Mustangs navboxes

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The result of the discussion was Delete -FASTILY 03:30, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Both are unused templates with ambiguous titles, and have been replaced by templates with unambiguous titles. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 21:53, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:History of Middle-earth navbox

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 21:59, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

All books in this template already appear in at least 2 templates - {{J. R. R. Tolkien}} and {{Middle-earth}}. There is no need for a 3rd one. Gonnym (talk) 20:49, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Ainur

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2020 March 28. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 12:43, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox video game engine

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The result of the discussion was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 04:00, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Per this discussion at WPVG, this infobox seems to largely duplicate Template:Infobox software, and the new parameters it adds are not mission critical information to convey in an infobox format. Furthermore, forking this infobox off from the main software infobox makes it more challenging to maintain consistency between the two. Axem Titanium (talk) 15:33, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data/Europe medical cases

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2020 March 28. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 12:43, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:TV Tropes

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The result of the discussion was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 04:03, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

TV Tropes is not a valid external link, it's WP:ELNO. It's trivial, user-submitted and has no editorial oversight. I could've sworn I AfD'ed this a long time ago, but apparently not. Pinging @Masem, Lee Vilenski, Salvidrim!, Sergecross73, and Dissident93:. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 08:33, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: WT:VG and WT:TV have been notified.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 14:20, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Kingsif, StrayBolt has posted the links. It's used on tropes and plot devices like cliché, running gag and body swap, but also on model-actress Kathy Ireland, novel A Tree Grows in Brooklyn, fighting video game franchise Dead or Alive and other barely related articles, that just happen to have a TV Tropes entry on them. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 07:54, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep based on StrayBolt's analysis. Kingsif (talk) 12:39, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The counts for "links" and "transclusions" are about twice as many than are in usage. Most are duplicated. Those two searches are in the hat template, Tfd links. Is there a way to quantify "substantial" mentioned in the guidelines by Bilorv? Also, it seems most people are/should be in their "Creator" namespace. Perhaps we can restrict that in the template. StrayBolt (talk) 17:47, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think we should use TV Tropes, but it's not a fansite. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 17:42, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete pile-on. For StrayBolt's case (individual tropes where the EL would be appropriate, assuming that's true too), I'm not seeing the argument that these instances are so numerous as to warrant a unique template. (not watching, please {{ping}}) czar 22:44, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Czar: Keeping would document to others proper limited usage and we could change the template to only use Main space or not to use Creator space. StrayBolt (talk) 23:20, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's tautological that we'd need to teach editors proper usage if it doesn't have a need to exist. If we're only to use it on a fraction of its current transclusions, we simply don't need a template for that task. czar 00:12, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:History of the Persian language

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Persian language. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:53, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:History of the Persian language with Template:Persian language.

The template is being nominated because:
  • It is redundant and is barely used in any articles.
  • It does not provide much content within the few articles that include it and yet occupies a lot of space.
  • There is a more properly designed template (Template:Persian language) that could replace it.
—Rye-96 (talk) 09:51, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Infobox German railway vehicle

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Infobox locomotive. — JJMC89 (T·C) 04:08, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Infobox German railway vehicle with Template:Infobox locomotive.

The German template uses German-language parameter names; we normally allow this only for "shim" templates that must be substituted.

It also caters (mostly) for locomotives and (a few) rolling stock vehicles. The latter cases should be manually switched to {{Infobox train}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:13, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose unless the template is properly 'shimmed' so that it can be imported from German Wikipedia and automatically substituted as has been successfully done with other templates. In which case I'd be happy to support.Bermicourt (talk) 12:28, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as Bermicourt. This looks like a lot of pointless rote work for no advantage at all, other than the regular foolish consistency. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:41, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • This is not "foolish consistency". A regular user who opens the editing page to see an infobox full of German parameter names is going to close it immediately and not fix whatever they were going to fix. This is baseline accessibility. Axem Titanium (talk) 15:45, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Bermicourt, on the understanding that it would be shimmed. No obvious reason to maintain a separate template for German locomotives only, and it's confusing for editors. Contra Andy Dingley, there are plenty of editors who enjoy pointless rote work; without it, I doubt the project would continue to exist. Mackensen (talk) 16:16, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose we've been here before, see Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 March 8#Template:Infobox German railway vehicle. {{Infobox German railway vehicle}} isn't just used for locos, it could be used for multiple-units, coaches or wagons. The idea is that an imported article starts off with {{Infobox German railway vehicle}}, and then is amended to use a more appropriate infobox. Those more appropriate infoboxes do include {{Infobox locomotive}}, but none of them are a straight drop-in replacement - manual assessment and adjustment is necessary. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:44, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, in principle provided that all existing parameters of the subject templates are preserved in the merged template. Would this not work, Redrose64? Doug Mehus T·C 22:25, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Redrose64. This template started life as a translation-fork of the Infobox used by de.wiki, but it has not been kept up-to-date with changes to de:Vorlage:Infobox Schienenfahrzeug. I realised this when I tried to sprinkle some TLC on this template by starting to add TemplateData. Yes, this template does have issues - the Monthly Error Report that is now available via TemplateData seems to marking any parameter with an umlaut in its name as invalid even if it isn't; if you do a translation via the translation tool, you will have to put in the infobox afterwards as a cut-and-paste, as the de.wiki infobox is linked on Wikidata to Template:Infobox train. Having said all that, if the proposer is prepared to put in the hard graft and manually migrate the 320 instances, I won't revert his changes; but since the original concept of this template is as a aid to translation, I would oppose the merger even if there was only a handful of transculsions. — Iain Bell (talk) 22:05, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • "it has not been kept up-to-date with changes to :de:Vorlage:Infobox Schienenfahrzeug" then that is even less reason to keep it; it's not even useful as a shim. This is the English-language Wikipedia; we have a long-standing practice of replacing templates that don't work in English. "if the proposer is prepared to put in the hard graft" such conditionals are irrelevant. We have a number of volunteers who work on template mergers. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:51, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Pigsonthewing. This is English Wikipedia, we should not use German Wikipedia templates especially when they are out-of-date and not linked to the German template, so not even usefull for translating. WT79 The Engineer (talk) 22:38, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support In the previous discussion, I supported the merge with some comments there about translation and fitting content into other infoboxes as appropriate. The German template was then, and I'm guessing is still now, used for more than just locomotives. We have other infobox templates for rail vehicles that are not locomotives, so as long as the correct English-language infobox template is used, I still support this. Slambo (Speak) 03:32, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. No reason to have a German language infobox here. The fact that we have over 300 transclusions of this means whatever intent this template had of being temporary, has failed. Whoever translates a page from the German wiki can take a few more minutes to also find the correct infobox. We also have a /Holding cell to take care of this process if anyone feels that a straight 1:1 conversion can't take place. --Gonnym (talk) 11:05, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Looking for a few more opinions on if it should be (re?)converted into a translation fork/shim or if it's better to just do away with it and start over.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 01:11, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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