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Template:Sherine singles edit

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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. Primefac (talk) 00:29, 17 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The navigational template for the musical artist consists of 16 links: the artist's article, a link to the discography section of the artist article, an album link (which probably does not pass WP:NALBUM) and 13 redlinks that are unlikely to be made into articles. Currently only the album uses this template. Aspects (talk) 22:18, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Transfer icon edit

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The result of the discussion was Delete (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 13:05, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Was transcluded onto only one page, and was replaced by the single Unicode character Ⓣ. Useddenim (talk) 19:51, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Tram symbol edit

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The result of the discussion was Delete (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 13:05, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Obsolete template replaced by {{Rail-interchange|tram}}. Its sole remaining use is on an archived talk page. Useddenim (talk) 17:05, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • delete, no longer needed. Frietjes (talk) 15:14, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as deprecated and not transcluded anywhere. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 10:22, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Nations at the 2006 UCI Road World Championships edit

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as T3 by Black Kite (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 20:11, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

All are redundant, now and most likely forever per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Algeria at the 2015 UCI Road World Championships. BaldBoris 16:17, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:San Miguel Beermen (ABL) current roster edit

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The result of the discussion was Delete (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 13:06, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Template has only three transclusions and since this team is defunct, there is really no foreseeable future use for this template. Safiel (talk) 16:08, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Bosnia and Herzegovina Squad EuroBasket 1993 edit

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Primefac (talk) 17:50, 19 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

squad for a team that didn't get a medal, the participants are already archived in EuroBasket 1993 squads, EuroBasket 1995 squads, EuroBasket 1997 squads, EuroBasket 1999 squads, ... Frietjes (talk) 14:49, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Bosnia and Herzegovina Squad EuroBasket 2001 edit

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Primefac (talk) 17:51, 19 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

squad for a team that didn't get a medal, the participants are already archived in EuroBasket 2001 squads, EuroBasket 2003 squads, and FIBA EuroBasket 2007 squads. Frietjes (talk) 14:49, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong keep - Unless we are going to add the tournaments played to each player's article, then this is useful and needed info. If these are deleted, those voting for deletion should have the responsibility of adding the tournaments to each player's article.Bluesangrel (talk) 11:39, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • no problem, assuming there are sources. a navbox should not be a substitute for prose since navboxes are not visible for mobile users, for example see here. Frietjes (talk) 15:06, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • There is no deadline on when the information should be added to prose, and stop assigning responsibilities to others as Wikipedia is WP:NOTCOMPULSORY.—Bagumba (talk) 10:06, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete with the same reasoning as in previous discussion – Top 3 teams are the most important and WP:TCREEP is another reason to delete them. – Sabbatino (talk) 15:17, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, again for all the same reasons as the previous discussion. I totally agree with Sabbatino Top 3 teams are important. Also, WP:TCREEP 100% applies here. --Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 17:53, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep - As i already explained. Non-basketball editors are deleting templates for most important basketball competitions . First you must remove high school and college basketball tempates, cause they are not important to 90% basketball world.--Bozalegenda (talk) 14:16, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete It's WP:TCREEP to have a navbox for teams that did not medal. Precedent at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2016_December_29#Template:Slovenia_Squad_2010_FIBA_World_Championship.—Bagumba (talk) 09:58, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per past discussions and WP:TCREEP. ~ Rob13Talk 00:33, 17 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:TCREEP. Renata (talk) 18:35, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per prior discussions. We don't need a squad template for non-medal winning clubs. Doing so contributes to the explosion of navboxes at the foot of the corresponding articles. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:40, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Bosnia and Herzegovina Squad EuroBasket 2005 edit

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Primefac (talk) 17:53, 19 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

squad for a team that didn't get a medal, the participants are already archived in FIBA EuroBasket 2005 squads. Frietjes (talk) 14:49, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong keep - Unless we are going to add the tournaments played to each player's article, then this is useful and needed info. If these are deleted, those voting for deletion should have the responsibility of adding the tournaments to each player's article.Bluesangrel (talk) 11:39, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep to all these templates and similar. Major tournaments must have this templates, and EuroBasket is a major one with notable presence of NBA players, e.g. Asturkian (talk) 13:20, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Bagumba, Bozalegenda, BU Rob13, Howard the Duck, IndexAccount, Nabla, Nn94 14, Primefac, Sabbatino, Vasemmistolainen, and Zackmann08: who participated in the related December 29 discussion. Frietjes (talk) 14:58, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note that I'm insistent only on World Cup and Olympics navboxes, not continental-level competitions such as this one where I'm mostly indifferent. –HTD 07:40, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It was implied that I was conspiracy theorist earlier for my saying that further deletions would be done and that the justification for them would be that the world cup templates were deleted. As that was the obvious reason to delete the most important templates first, because then you could justify deleting everything else after that. So much for it being a conspiracy theory, as it is a fact now, and that it now even gets called "precedent". Wikipedia policy should be followed by what it is, not what a handful of editors personally judge to be important or not. We are going to see all of these important templates deleted, while much less important ones, basketball related wise, still remain, and with no delete discussions on them at all. US NCAA and US high school templates need to be deleted also, if these are all being deleted. I am saying it, several other editors are saying it. I have yet to see them being nominated for deletion. If they don't start going for deletion, this looks like a clear double standard to me, against anything non US related basketball.Bluesangrel (talk) 20:53, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Bluesangrel: Here's a non-medaling US team that was deleted: Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2015_April_3#Template:United_States_Squad_2002_FIBA_World_Championship.—Bagumba (talk) 09:23, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per many past discussions and WP:TCREEP. ~ Rob13Talk 00:34, 17 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:TCREEP. Renata (talk) 18:35, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per prior discussions. We don't need a squad template for non-medal winning clubs. Doing so contributes to the explosion of navboxes at the foot of the corresponding articles. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:40, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Northeast Conference Women's Basketball Player of the Year navbox edit

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The result of the discussion was Delete (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 13:08, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Used in one (1) article... fails WP:EXISTING. Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 07:00, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Northeast Conference football rivalry navbox edit

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:40, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Used in one (1) article... fails WP:EXISTING. Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 06:58, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Big West Conference softball navbox edit

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:40, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Used in one (1) article... fails WP:EXISTING. Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 06:50, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Mid-American Conference wrestling navbox edit

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:40, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Used in two (2) articles... fails WP:EXISTING. Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 06:45, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Metro Conference Men's Basketball Tournament navbox edit

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:40, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Two (2) articles this is used in... fails WP:EXISTING. Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 06:13, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference men's ice hockey navbox edit

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:40, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Used in two (2) articles... fails WP:EXISTING. Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 06:11, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Ivy League women's basketball navbox edit

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:40, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Used in two (2) articles... fails WP:EXISTING. Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 06:05, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - as nominator said, fails WP:EXISTING --Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 07:53, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. As template creator, I was hoping it would generate interest in developing at least the team articles linked within, but that never happened. If I was in the northeastern US region, I would develop them, but that would also make me caretaker as well. There's barely interest in the season articles of late, and, this year, those are maintained mostly by IPs with win/loss updates. The two teams I follow are in their ebb stage; only one of those are linked. — Wyliepedia 09:04, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Infobox writers awards edit

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:41, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Only used in two articles and I don't really see what purpose it serves. Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 05:22, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • @CAWylie: full disclosure, those were actually because I completely failed at adding the {{tfd}} on the template. If you purge those pages they will look fine. Can you confirm that you still think the template should be deleted? --Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 17:47, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. In its nine years, it has only been used twice, out of who-knows-how-many awarded authors out there. I view it as a novelty idea, giving a casual viewer a quick glance, but it's nothing that cannot be mentioned in a lead on awards pages. Despite its tweaking over the years, it's just not visible/used enough to take up Wikiserver space. It has no categories and no pertinent links to it. — Wyliepedia 21:54, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:KHSAA Boys 4th Region Basketball Tournament edit

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:41, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Fails WP:NAVBOX #4 as individual instars of a likely non-notable boy's high school sectional tournament that does not have an article. Only 5 of 35 links are bluelinks and each page is nothing more than bare results in bracket format. Edited to add: Apparent intent was to create and populate all articles but abandoned in 2009 so more redlinks are not likely to be populated. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 05:13, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Nations at the UCI Road World Championships edit

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The result of the discussion was Relisted on 2017 January 18 Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:41, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Verizon FiOS IP edit

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The result of the discussion was delete after replacing with {{Mobile IP}}. Primefac (talk) 01:40, 17 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Redundant to {{ISP}}. KATMAKROFAN (talk) 02:46, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As the author, I strongly disagree. There is no logical reason provided save for the fact that a template that lists a specific is supposedly redundant... TJH2018talk 02:48, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Snow Keep Per User:TJH2018 There no need merge this.~ Junior5a (Talk) Cont 07:19, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • delete, the intent is encapsulated by {{ISP}}. we don't need extra branding with cooperate logos, this is WP, not Verizon, Comcast, AT&T, etc. Frietjes (talk) 13:57, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete. No need for provider specific logos. {{ISP|ISP name}} already provides some customisation to include the ISP name, which is sufficient. -- WOSlinker (talk) 13:44, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Verizon Wireless IP edit

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The result of the discussion was delete after replacing with {{Mobile IP}}. Primefac (talk) 01:40, 17 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Redundant to {{Mobile IP}}. KATMAKROFAN (talk) 02:50, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As the author, I strongly disagree. There is no logical reason provided save for the fact that a template that lists a specific is supposedly redundant... TJH2018talk 02:51, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Snow Keep Per User:TJH2018 There no need merge this.~ Junior5a (Talk) Cont 07:19, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: If this and its kin are kept, we'll have to create {{Spectrum IP}}, {{CenturyLink IP}}, {{Wide Open West IP}}, etc. KATMAKROFAN (talk) 16:29, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • delete, the intent is encapsulated by {{Mobile IP}}. we don't need extra branding with cooperate logos, this is WP, not Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile, etc. Frietjes (talk) 13:57, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete. No need for provider specific logos. {{Mobile IP|Name}} already provides some customisation to include the service providers name, which is sufficient. -- WOSlinker (talk) 13:45, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Infobox open cluster edit

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The result of the discussion was keep for now. There is a simultaneous discussion at WT:AST, neither of which feel these mergers are necessary. The AST discussion is also going a bit deeper into the question. Primefac (talk) 01:36, 17 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Infobox open cluster with Template:Infobox astronomical object.
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There have been a wide variety of astronomical infoboxes on different types of objects for a very long time (this dates from back in the day when we had HTML-based infoboxes in individual articles!), most of which have very similar sets of parameters, and most of which are only used on a small set of articles. I'm working on integrating these various astronomical object infoboxes together into Template:Infobox astronomical object at the same time as I'm integrating Wikidata into that infobox, to match a recently-created sister template at Template:Infobox astronomical event (that already covers a variety of different types of event, and has a number of wikidata-driven parameters). open cluster was the first one I picked to merge, not noticing that it had already been discussed in a previous TfD to do to this merger (astro object is what I started with to make the current astronomical object). All parameters of open cluster are supported by astronomical object, so to implement this merge the template simply needs redirecting to astronomical object (as I did in this edit, that was appropriately reverted given the presence of the previous TfD). I plan to take the same approach of matching parameter sets before merging/redirecting the other astronomical object infoboxes into this one, and then wikidata-enabling new parameters where possible. Given the previous TfD here, though, this needs to be discussed: ping @Pigsonthewing, SkyFlubbler, Tom.Reding, StringTheory11, DePiep, Montanabw, Martijn Hoekstra, Thor Dockweiler, Graeme Bartlett, Dirtlawyer1, and Plastikspork as the participants in the previous TfD. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 09:08, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WT:AST & WT:ASTRO notified.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  14:10, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This was already discussed some time ago. I looked upon the two templates again, and they looked pretty similar except for one. There is a link in the open cluster infobox that really directs it to the article Open cluster. Let's assume that one new user looks at the template, if merged, would link it to the astronomical object template. He would not understand what an open cluster is, and even if so, would not have a link into it. Templates are supposed to give the fundamental characteristics of an object. If we put the fundamentals toward some topic which is very (and I mean VERY) broad, that would cause confusion. SkyFlubbler (talk) 03:16, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@SkyFlubbler: astronomical object includes a line called "Object type", just below the image caption, that fetches instance of (P31) from Wikidata to display the type of object that the article is about, including a link to the article on it. In this case, that provides the links to open cluster (provided that's set on Wikidata, which I think it is for most of these articles). BTW, as an example, I've converted Pleiades from open cluster to astronomical object - see before and after. Note the 'open cluster' link in both. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 05:45, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and/or Delay This is a major systematic change to the way WP:Astronomy uses infoboxes - it seems the goal is to use {{Infobox astronomical object}} as the "master" infobox for WP:Astronomy objects. Whether or not it can, or should, be merged with {{Infobox open cluster}} sets a precedent that can be applied to the other infoboxes, from {{Infobox comet}} to {{Infobox supercluster}}. It's not appropriate to perform this change by quietly redirecting other infoboxes to {{Infobox astronomical object}}, and requires more visibility/discussion than normally accompanies a TfM/TfD.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  15:29, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
OK, any suggestions on how/where to hold that discussion? astronomical object wouldn't be the "master" infobox, but would be one of the main ones - along with the others that I've been working on wikidata-ifying/improving, such as Template:Infobox telescope, Template:Infobox astronomical event, and others. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:19, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think a dedicated discussion at WT:Astronomy or an RfC would work.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  16:26, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
OK, will prep something to post there. (I hadn't spotted that WP:Astronomy was still so active, I thought it had gone the way of WP:ASTRO, which is rather quiet nowadays.) Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:31, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Now posted to WT:Astronomy. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:52, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
In what way would this constitute a "major systematic change"? Without a sound reason, that just sounds like FUD. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:12, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge No cogent arguments as to why two such similar infoboxes might be needed have been given, neither here nor in the previous discussion. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:12, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose since the agenda is to merge more and more templates into one super template. I say keep it simple and understandable. So you can have the astronomical object template for those that know how to use it, but also hang onto the others for those of us that are less expert in the complex master infoboxes. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 04:20, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Note: No evidence of any "agenda to merge more and more templates into one super template" has been demonstrated. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:40, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Oppose. The consensus from the 2015 TfD was "oppose", even though an admin. closed it incorrectly as "no consensus". I am still of the same opinion. The astronomy related projects are still quite active. The whole purpose is to assist editors in preparing or improving articles. Infoboxes related to the object type are most useful, especially for the newer editor. I will review this further and come back with a response at about 0600 UT, about 9 hours from now. Thor Dockweiler (talk) 20:50, 14 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment 1: In Wikipedia it is desirable to merge infobox templates where the parameters are the same. If we have come to the stage in the various astronomical projects wherein this can be done it should be. Creating an overall "astronomical object" template is of value, provided no information is lost. My concern is that objects in astronomy are not the same as to their attributes that are unique to that object type, even those between open clusters and globular clusters. Thor Dockweiler (talk) 06:04, 15 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment 2: It would be nice if there was a dynamical infobox where an editor could check an object type box and the appropriate parameter entries would populate, but that is in a programmer's skill level. At that level you could create an overall astronomy infobox where you could select a biography or other category, a master box with nesting sub-entry sets of information. Thor Dockweiler (talk) 06:12, 15 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment 3: This issue really is on a bigger level as to infoboxes overall in the astronomy projects. I see that Mike has appropriately listed it in those forums. Thank you. Thor Dockweiler (talk) 06:18, 15 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment 4: Graeme is absolutely correct in that we want simplicity in this, especially for those that are newer editors. I agree that they will get confused. Thor Dockweiler (talk) 06:33, 15 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment 5: I note that several excellent references were deleted on distance in the Pleiades transfer by Mike. I like simplicity but not information loss. Should not those be added back? Thor Dockweiler (talk) 06:39, 15 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment 6: Mike is to be commended for beginning to implement property elements from Wikidata. The infoboxes in the astronomy projects have excellent datapoints that should be in Wikidata. The positional xyz data for stars, etc. is exactly what Wikidata is all about, with the allowance for us to provide referencing in Wikipedia. Thor Dockweiler (talk) 06:48, 15 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Infobox basketball season edit

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The result of the discussion was Merged. Neither template has any transclusions remaining and no issues raised in nearly 2 weeks. Templates were nearly identical. Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 22:06, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging both Template:Infobox WNBA season & Template:Infobox basketball season with Template:Infobox sports season.
Most basketball season's already use {{Infobox sports season}}. Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 20:58, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 00:07, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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