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Help please

I recently worked on an article, Gencade draft that was declined. It took me 10 hours and I read everything I had to read and followed all guidelines, I even used a similar artists Wikipedia page for reference to format everything correct. The references I used were from reliable sources, ie: axs.com and allmusic.com, If I read the decline message correct it indicated that the sources came from the artist personal page or something to that effect which is not the case. The website of the artist was only referenced when his bio was used for personal life and career topics discussed that can not be proven otherwise. please help me with this when time permits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Twain Alexander (talk • contribs) 16:12, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

@Twain Alexander: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry that you are feeling frustrated. Successfully creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, as you are finding out. Many users have trouble, it is not something unique to you. The decline message states that the sources offered do not provide adequate coverage of the subject in independent reliable sources. The key word there is "independent". An interview with the person you wrote about(which one source is) is not an independent source. Nor are Facebook pages and the person's personal website. What is needed are independent reviews of this person and/or their work, written by people who are not associated with him.

If you haven't already, you may find reading Your First Article helpful. You may also want to take some time off of working on it, and instead work on editing existing articles, to help you get a feel for what is being looked for in the process(in terms of sources). Users who do that before creating articles are much more successful. 331dot (talk) 16:26, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

How to add poster and more information to a draft article?

How can I add poster and more information like preceded and succeeded,no.of episodes etc to my draft Bhumikanya.--Md.Ali25 (talk) 14:17, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Please stop asking questions at Teahouse about the same topic. As answered earlier and on your Talk page, Bhumi Kanya is a television show in India that has not yet started being broadcast. It is too soon WP:TOOSOON to attempt a Wikipedia article about the show. Additionally, your attempt at a draft is not acceptable for many reasons, including having no references. David notMD (talk) 15:53, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Bhumikanya is a current TV serial.But I cannot find any references.Md.Ali25 (talk) 15:59, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Md.Ali25: if you have looked and cannot find any references, then it is likely there are none. If there are no references, then by definition the subject is not currently notable, and no article on it will be accepted, however it is written. --ColinFine (talk) 16:28, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Editing article Draft:Jones-Tino

Hi, This article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jones%E2%80%93Tino came by randomly when I was looking to clean-up and improve some articles. It says 'Article needs to be rewritten to be encyclopedic'. Can someone please help me and guide me on how to write in encyclopedic content. Really appreciate your help. Thanks!--AlphaKGN (talk) 17:41, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

A - You've done more than 100 edits since becoming an editor in summer, including submitting several articles to AfC, and deleting big pieces of content from articles criticized as promotional. What part of encyclopedic style are you not getting? David notMD (talk) 21:00, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

@David notMD: So, by saying 'encyclopedic prose' in this article, does the moderator mean non-promotional?

Rejection text: "This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies." To this point, almost all (all?) of the references are mere mentions of awards they have won. Are any of the references to articles about them and their directors' style? David notMD (talk) 01:22, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

@David notMD: Got it. Now I know what they mean. This looks like a challenge, I will put my head to it and see if I can find any articles on these guys. Thanks for the guidance David. --AlphaKGN (talk) 17:32, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Time Traveler

I don't know how to edit wiki information, nor do I have the correct date to fix what I believe is incorrect. However, I doubt Rod Coneybeare became Editor-in-chief in April of 1859 - given he was born in March 1930! unless he is a time traveler!! ;)

Rod Coneybeare (born March 31, 1930) is a Canadian puppeteer and voice actor. He is best known for his work on the long-lived Canadian children's program The Friendly Giant, where he performed as both Jerome the Giraffe, who would appear in the window, and Rusty the rooster, who lived in a book bag.[1]

Back in April of 1859 Coneybeare became the editor-in-chief and host of Radio for Men, one the first (and only) CBC radio shows intended for men. [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.17.130.25 (talk) 19:15, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Yes, they are very unlikely to be a time traveler, but rather than correct the date, I have removed the claim entirely, as it was sourced to an online forum, which does not meet Wikipedia's standards for reliable sources, and certainly not for articles that are biographies of living persons. GMG ^talk 19:20, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

It was simply a typo. The edit summary of the relevant edit referred to 1959, as did the reference. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:34, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

In fact the online forum was referring to a CBC page, so I've used a current url for that page as the ref and corrected the typo. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:42, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Why did Wikipedia delete my edit to "kraken?"

Hello! This is Bob. I added some information to "kraken", but it was deleted. Why? Here is what I typed under "In Pop Culture,"

"In a funny GEICO commercial, a kraken emerges from a water hazard on a golf course, and starts attacking the golfers. They try to fight it off, using their golf clubs. The announcer whispers, "This golf course is absolutely electric!""

I thought the commercial is very funny. You can view it on YouTube, by searching for: GEICO kraken.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rchiiibob (talk • contribs) 09:36, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Rchiiibob. In general, article's are typically not intended to include every possible bit of information about a subject, but rather only those deemed to be encyclopedically relevant to the genreal reader. So, when you add some bit of information to an article by being bold, another editor can come along and remove it by being just as bold if they feel it doesn't merit inclusion. When that happens, typically the thing to do is look at the page's history to see if the other editor left an edit summary explaining why the content was removed. If you still feel after reading the edit summary that the removal was a mistake, then you can follow Wikipedia:Bold, revert, discuss cycle and start a discussion about the topic on the article's talk page to see if you can convince others of the same thing. If you can establish a consensus to re-add the content, then it eventually be re-added as long as doing so is not a major policy or guideline violation.

In this particular case, the content you added was removed here by Apokryltaros. No reason was given for the removal, so it's quite possible that this was just an automated edit to try and keep the article free from unnecessary trivia. The content you did add was also unsourced; so, it could've been removed for that reason as well. There are over 6,000,000 articles with all kinds of content being added to them pretty much non-stop, and only so many people checking the quality of these additions; so, sometimes stuff gets overlooked that needs to be removed, and stuff gets removed when it probably shouldn't have. Just from Talk:Kraken/Archive 1#In Popular Culture Section it appears that at least one editor feels the entire section needs to go, so it's not clear if what you added would be better suited for the article Kraken in popular culture instead. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:19, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Also, note that we use a formal tone. Exclamation marks are rarely, if ever, appropriate in articles. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 01:36, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

I reverted that edit primarily because its relevance to the article topic wasn't explained beyond the implication of yet another "spot the monster of the week" situation trivia.--Mr Fink (talk) 02:23, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Bob's response: That is BS! The GEICO commercial that I mention is relevant, and definitely pertains to the entry of "kraken." It illustrates how a kraken is supposed to attack, and is done so in a humorous and unique way. If Wikipedia is going to remove my edits for stupid reasons, then I won't even bother with it. I was just trying to enrich the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rchiiibob (talk • contribs) 20:39, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Eastern Europe

I found this warning on Russia article's talk page:

The Arbitration Committee has authorized uninvolved administrators to impose discretionary sanctions on users who edit pages related to Eastern Europe, including this article.

What does this mean? Does it mean that I'm not supposed to edit any Eastern Europe-related article in any way? Shorouq★The★Super★ninja2 (talk) 20:35, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Basically it means that if you misbehave (editwarring etc) on pages like this, admin-action can be swift and harsh. You are allowed to edit, but be on your best behaviour. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:44, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

how do I make a new page?

I'm wondering how to make a new page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swalot05 (talk • contribs) 21:41, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Swalot05. Creating a new article is on of the harder tasks on Wikipedia, and I always advise new editors to help improve Wikipedia by working on some of our existing six million articles first, for a few weeks or months, until they understand better how Wikipedia works. But in any case, read your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 21:57, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

File Upload

I'm a little confused by the File Upload format. The image I'm attempting to upload, of Luc Nkulula, is a cropped version of the photo in his obituary in the economist magazine-a copyright nightmare I'll try to navigate soon enough. Firstly though, my issue is that all of the categories I believe the image of him would fall into seem to be for creative works such as paintings (e.g. it keeps asking me if the image "best represents" or "portrays" the topic of the destination article, and if a better representation is available). Does anyone have any tips? WesSirius (talk) 19:03, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, WesSirius. The relevant policy language can be found at Non-free content - images, specifically criterion #10. When you upload here to Wikipedia (not Wikimedia Commons), select "This is a copyrighted, non-free work, but I believe it is Fair Use", include a link to the source of the image, state the only article that it will be used in, and make it clear that the subject has died. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:23, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Great, thank you. WesSirius (talk) 22:30, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

IP user talk page blanking

There is an IP user that keeps blanking there talk page - User talk:68.39.100.192 Keeps putting up a Courtesy blanking "This page has been blanked as a courtesy" message. Is this allowed? Can it be stopped? I cant see the reason/need for this action. Unconventional2 (talk · contribs · email) 22:24, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Unconventional2. As long as an editor follows WP:BLANKING, then they can blank their user talk page. The removed posts will still be visible in the page history for reference, etc. if anyone needs to see them. This might seem inappropriate when it comes to an IP account since technically it’s possible for multiple people to edit from the same IP address, but blanking is still allowed. That’s one reason why new editor’s are encouraged to create an account and templates like {{Shared IP advice}} are often added to IP user talk pages after a new discussion thread is started. — Marchjuly (talk) 22:39, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Bio/pic box creation

I'm having trouble finding the VE method for creating that box on the right with pic and key bio info. Could someone point me in the right direction? Thank you! Example, here: James Baldwin PaulThePony (talk) 01:48, 11 October 2018 (UTC)Paul

Hi there and Welcome to the Teahouse! See WP:INFOBOX. Thanks. Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:07, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, Thegooduser! PaulThePony (talk) 15:15, 11 October 2018 (UTC)Paul

@PaulThePony: You're Welcome! If you need any more help, please let us know! We are more than happy to help!Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 23:21, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Notability

Hi. I am a volunteer with almost no wiki experience. I submitted an article for a candidate for state senate and it is rejected due to notability. People search for information about candidates on Wikipedia and it would be helpful if people could find information about her via Wikipedia but I'm not sure how to enhance the notability to an acceptable level. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DTHOMPSOWI (talk • contribs) 23:29, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

@DTHOMPSOWI: You need to demonstrate significant coverage in independent published sources. See WP:N and follow the guidance at WP:YFA where you can find a wizard to help you create a draft. If you work for the candidate (even unpaid) you will need to also follow the advice at WP:COI. You might be better off just working to improve the encyclopedia in other ways rather than trying to promote your candidate. RudolfRed (talk) 23:35, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

@DTHOMPSOWI: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia does not consider a mere candidate for political office notable enough to merit a standalone article. Please see the notability guidelines for politicians. If the candidate wins, they would merit an article, or if they already hold an office. Otherwise, they would not merit an article unless they are notable for something else, like being an athlete or musician. Unfortunately Wikipedia is not a voter guide, but an encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 23:38, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, DTHOMPSOWI. Your draft article User:DTHOMPSOWI/sandbox does not even mention that Kriss Marion is a candidate for state senate. That being said, a large number of experienced editors agree that unelected candidates for political office are not notable in most cases. There are exceptions, such as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez most recently, but this requires major national or international coverage outside the local area. Please read the Notabilty guideline for politicians and candidates and Outcomes of deletion debates about politicians and candidates. Your draft also has problems at the technical level, and you should read Referencing for beginners and Your first article, and follow the good advice there. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:04, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Help with new articles - new editor

Hello Wiki World, I'm a very very new editor who has taken on what seems to be an ambitious challenge of creating a new company page. I have also created a new draft page - Helloworld (TV Show) - which I am hoping to get some help with reviewing before I submit. Any guidance you can provide would be fantastic. I have also made further edits to the original page created - Helloworld Travel Limited - which I am hoping to get some further guidance on before re-submitting. As I said, I am very new, so any assistance/guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Millyk01 --Millyk01 (talk) 23:50, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

@Millyk01: Creating a new article is indeed very ambitious for a new editor. The usual advice is to start by working on improving the encyclopedia in other ways first. If you are connected to the company you need to read and comply with WP:COI and WP:PAID. RudolfRed (talk) 23:53, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

RudolfRed Thank you for responding so quick, yes I have declared my COI and am remaining neutral on the subjects, with the only aim of establishing worthy pages about topics I know. Do you have any other suggestions on what I can do to improve the pages in their current state to move them from draft form? Millyk01 (talk) 00:17, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Question about Pending Changes Reviews

Hello, I had a query -

While going through Special:PendingChanges, a lot of times the changes made by unregistered IP accounts "seem" genuine but they are unreferenced. Should such changes be accepted? Spam / vandalism is clearly identifiable though. Csgir (talk) 05:06, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Schoharie limo crash

Where is the article, please? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:07, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Never mind. Found it. Thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:09, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Range of dates in citation

The journal Flight International uses a range of dates, rather than a single date, to identify its issues. I wish to cite a page in the issue dated June 25 - 1 July, 1997. Of course, I can simply use June 25, 1997, but is there an acceptable format to use the range of dates? There is no problem with a range such as June 18-24, 1997, incidentally. Thanks. Anobium625 (talk) 18:54, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Yes, there's a guideline for that, and it's at MOS:DATERANGE. For your cases, the dateranges would look like this: "June 25 – July 1, 1997" and "June 18–24, 1997" rchard2scout (talk) 10:00, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

beginer

I am very confused about the process of constructing a page. I am concerned that there is no SAVE option - and not sure if I am supposed to 'Publish' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dadl (talk • contribs) 10:14, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

You are not alone in your confusion. The "Save" button was changed by the WMF to "Publish", and they bewildered many people by doing it. If you are constructing your draft either in the Draft namespace or as a userspace draft it won't appear as a published article, and you can save as often as you need to do while you continue to develop your draft. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:29, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Regarding creating permanent web pages

Hello Everyone in the Teahouse !

I just wanna ask how to create permanent pages on Wikipedia.

Is it essential being popular to be on Wikipedia? Who holds the popular Actor/Actresses/Singer's Wikipedia account?

Who have the authority for creating permanent pages on Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dushyant Dubey (talk • contribs) 17:44, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Dushyant Dubey. There is no such thing as a "permanent page" on Wikipedia. Any page can be edited. However, some articles and some other pages are protected by administrators, either to prevent vandalism or for technical reasons. In such cases, requests for changes can be made on the associated talk page. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:42, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Dushyant Dubey. Like many people, you misunderstand what Wikipedia is: it is an encyclopaedia, not social media. If we have an article about a person, that article will not belong to the person, and that person (and their associates) will have no control at all over its contents. The article should be a neutrally written summary of what people unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about them in reliable sources (such as major newspapers, or books from reputable publishers): if there are no such independent sources, then there cannot be a Wikipedia article about the person.

As for popularity: Wikipedia is not interested in popularity. If a performer is popular, there is a good chance that independent people have published about them, so that they will be regarded as notable, and an article can be written; but that does not necessarily follow, especially if they have only recently become known. And any attempt to use Wikipedia in order to gain popularity is likely to be strongly resisted by the Wikipedia community. --ColinFine (talk) 21:49, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

One more point, Dushyant Dubey: anybody may have a user account on Wikipedia, but there is little point unless they intend to edit. But everybody is strongly discouraged from editing any article about themselves: see WP:Autobiography. There is no connection between accounts and articles: most articles get edited by several, sometimes many, different editors (both with accounts and anonymously). --ColinFine (talk) 21:52, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

The issue here is your choice of pronouns. Your user page is a place for some things about you and your intentions as a Wikipedia editor. Use first person pronouns "I". Using third person "He" makes it appear that you intend to write an article about yourself. You had this right at one time, but changed it back. David notMD (talk) 10:46, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Deleted article - review and help with replublishing

Hello.

I've created a new draft ([[1]]) of an article that was deleted ([[2]]).

I've addressed the issues raised and was wondering if an editor was able to review and let me know if there is anything else that should be updated? I'm also not entirely clear on the process of resubmitting an article that was deleted. Any help or guidance with this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiseseven (talk • contribs) 10:32, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

The first thing is to read WP:Articles for deletion/Ryan Worsley; you would need to convince any reviewer that the subject's notability has changed since that decisision to delete was taken. Then before you submit for review you need to delete the "references" to Wikipedia; read WP:CIRCULAR. A further step to make life easier for a reviewer is to consolidate reused references. As a more minor point, the inappropriate bold text ought to to be removed,see MOS:BOLD. After all of that you could add {{subst:submit}} to the top of your draft. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:33, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

What is your connection - if any - to Ryan Worsley? I am asking because the original article was deleted in September, your User account created Oct 11, and the only thing you have done is create in your Sandbox a very well structured, competent-looking article about Worsley. P.S. The references in your draft are inadequate for the same reasons noted when the original article was deleted. P.P.S. Please sign your comments by typing four of ~ at the end. David notMD (talk) 13:32, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. I've addressed the items you've highlighted including removing all references to wikipedia, deleting all content that does not have a third party source, and adding more third references (news articles) for citations. It appears that there is controversy about notability of music producers (see [[3]]. With only third party references, I'd appreciate feedback on whether you think this accounts for notability under WP:NMUSIC? I am part of the Vancouver music scene (musician) and a friend of Ryan's. I noticed the page was deleted and I wanted to see what could be done, while learning about how to edit/contribute to wikipedia. Here is the adapted article: [[4]]. Thanks for having a look and for your patience with me as I learn the ropes.Wiseseven (talk) 22:22, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

@David notMD: and @David Biddulph: Thanks for your responses. I've done more research on notability and updated the post with more sources (see previous post above from 22:22). Coincidentally, Ryan Worsley won the 2018 Producer of the Year award this evening at the Western Canadian Music Awards. With this award and the addition of all the third party sources, do you think the new draft [[5]] addresses the notability and sources issues and possible for resubmission? Any other feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Wiseseven (talk) 06:51, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Better. I did some minor copy-editing. I am not a musicologist, and so cannot comment on notability of references. The big problem is that only the first reference is about Ryan. Once you submit this it will go through the AfC process. Given your friendship with Ryan, I suggest that you declare that on the Talk page as a conflict of interest, for the sake of being transparent.David notMD (talk) 10:38, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

@David notMD: - thank you for the edit and further feedback. I've added the WP:COI to the talk page and submitted the article. I appreciated your time and guidance on this.Wiseseven (talk) 11:25, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Infobox queries: Changing category name, framing and resizing of photo, and links within

First up, I entered an award to the infobox (template for writers) and in source editing mode I see it is called "awards" but when I publish the change it appears as "Notable awards". As I recall, there is the option of it just saying "awards", yes? Second, I see in a tutorial video here [[6]] there is a way to get to advanced settings and make adjustments to a photo. But when I try and access (via VE or source editing) that menu with a photo already placed within an infobox I don't see them. I may wish to: a. Resize, b. Get rid of the frame, c. Center the image in the infobox. Lastly, does content in the infobox, such as a book title or award name, need to be hyperlinked when each are linked in the main body of the article? Any help would be most appreciated. PaulThePony (talk) 14:02, 12 October 2018 (UTC)Paul

PETE DUEL MEMORIAL CLUB

I would like to add my pete duel memorial club to the pete duel wikpedia information page please. it's the oldest club for pete, and founded by myself in 1983. thank you jan busell — Preceding unsigned comment added by Janheyesfan (talk • contribs) 14:23, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Janheyesfan. I doubt that that would be appropriate, I'm afraid: this is an encyclopaedia, not a directory. In any case, ELNO gives the information to make a judgment. --ColinFine (talk) 15:00, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

DJ Slick stuart and DJ Roja

Hello,

I created the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:DJ_Slick_Stuart_and_DJ_Roja but have received the message "This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia......." since 26 September 2018. I have made most of changes on the article but guess things aint right yet, I need you helped as referred from one of wikipedia editors.

below i share one of the comments from the editor,

Comment: While the DJs would meet notability standards per WP:NMUSIC, this article is currently written in a way to praise them and sell them to the reader. Articles on Wikipedia need to be in a neutral point of view. So far, that is the major reason why Shadowowl and I have not accepted this draft. I invite you to work with an experienced editor at the Teahouse who can help you add more to this article. Bkissin (talk)

On standby for your response, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Techcherio (talk • contribs) 11:55, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

@Techcherio: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not exactly sure what you are asking, but you submitted your draft again without making any changes to it. I have reversed this to give you the chance to work on it. One thing you need to do is remove all promotional language, like "performed in several popular events and shows since their rise to stardom" and "Their recognition as one of the country’s top Deejays has seen them grace same international stages". Articles need to be written in a neutral point of view and can't have promotional opinions; they need to read as very dull. You also should find more independent reliable sources that discuss what they do and the DJs themselves in depth, in order to expand the article. 331dot (talk) 12:04, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Techcherio. The thing to remember is that Wikipedia has no interest at all in what you (or I, or any random person on the internet) knows, or thinks or believes about the subject of an article. None. It also has not much interest in what the subject of an article thinks about themselves. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to publish about them, and an article should be based almost 100% on those independent sources - though not in the same words, so as not to infringe their copyright. --ColinFine (talk) 13:20, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

The editors who gave answers above are right on the facts! However, with all possible respect to them, I have some doubts whether "Articles must be very dull" and "Wikipedia doesn't care what you think" are the best ways to word their thoughts on the issue. Those turns of phrase seem a little turnoffy & may not be well thought out. Don't tase me, bro. Baba Blacq Sheep (talk) 15:00, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Those are both accurate statements about what Wikipedia is interested in. 331dot (talk) 15:06, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

A second question

How do I make a disambiguation without having to go through the draft stage? --REDsEngineer (talk) 16:15, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Until your account is autoconfirmed you can't create an article directly in mainspace. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:51, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

How to add user boxes to my user page?

How can I add userboxes in my user page?Md.Ali25 (talk) 12:41, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello again, Md.Ali25. You should find everything you need at WP:Userboxes. --ColinFine (talk) 17:04, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

List of User Boxes

Is there a compilation of user boxes on Wikipedia? Alternate Side Parking (talk) 17:34, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Alternate Side Parking, yes, see Wikipedia:Userboxes/Galleries Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:42, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. Alternate Side Parking (talk) 17:44, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Emailing Users

There is an option to allow other users to email me. How will they know my email address? Is there a form they fill out that emails me through Wikipedia? Alternate Side Parking (talk) 17:37, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Alternate Side Parking, yes, there is a form, at Special:EmailUser/Alternate_Side_Parking (accessed through "email this user" link on the side) Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:41, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. Alternate Side Parking (talk) 17:44, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Organization notability

Hi folks,

I'm working with a US nonprofit organization that is ... well... really amazing. It was the first org in the US to support gifted children of color in gaining admission and navigating the experiences of prestigious private and public schools they would not otherwise have had access to. They're still the only org with such a mission operating across the country.

I'm pretty sure they're noteworthy, but they haven't kept third party articles about themselves well, so I basically have recent googleable news coverage (which is substantial) to cite.

My initial attempt at drafting them an article was rejected because it didn't demonstrate noteworthiness. I would be surprised if that were a matter of the organization actually not being noteworthy so much as my relative inexperience as a contributor. Would anyone be willing to look at what I have so far and help me figure out what it needs to become a credible stub? I know there are resources, but to be honest, there are so many and they are all so extensive that I'm finding them more of a barrier than a help to contributing.

The organization is now called A Better Chance. They were founded as PROJECT ABC at Dartmouth College in 1963, the year after James Meredith started to attend the University of Mississippi. Jackie Robinson visited with their first incoming class to offer encouragement. It's worth remembering and noting. I just am floundering along the way.

Thanks for any help. I don't know if it's obviously attached to my account or not, but I think I could share what I came up with if anyone needed to see it to give me substantive feedback.

- TurbineSpinning — Preceding unsigned comment added by TurbineSpinning (talk • contribs) 15:41, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:A Better Chance. 331dot (talk) 15:45, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

@TurbineSpinning: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Thanks for your questions. Is there a reason that you created a different username than the one you used to create your draft?

Regarding your draft, it currently does little more than state that this organization exists. Any article needs to indicate with independent reliable sources how the organization is notable per the relevant notability guidelines, in this case those for organizations. You have listed sources, but not included content from the sources in the article. As Wikipedia only summarizes what third parties state about article subjects, article content needs to be derived from those sources. As you work for this organization, in writing the draft you need to forget everything you know about the organization, and only write based on what the independent sources state. Primary sources can only be used in a limited fashion. It sounds like this organization might meet the notability criteria, but the draft needs to show it.

If you haven't already, you may find reading Your First Article helpful. 331dot (talk) 15:51, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

I have accepted the article. It is a short stub, but is clearly notable - there are several good sources that contain sufficient detail about the subject. Notability does not in fact require that such sources are used in the article, it is sufficient that such sources merely exist. The discussion here is longer than the article, please use the referenced sources, and others you might find, to expand the article. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:59, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

TurbineSpinning the Dartmouth College library might have some useful early source material. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:10, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

331dot There was some sort of technical tangle involved in the username, likely wrapped up in my not understanding something and blundering through a wall. Sorry about that. They were both me. TurbineSpinning (talk) 16:17, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Dodger67 Thank you! I am trying to enlist some help, maybe from involved alumni, in research and drafting. I noticed the stub said the article was undergoing major revision and NOT to edit it right now - was that someone actively editing right then? Also, if I can get historic photos and documents from the organization itself, are those okay to use, or do they have to come from Dartmouth's library, say? argh, at this point I just hope I've replied correctly. This has gotten considerably more complicated since last I tried to work on an article in earnest. TurbineSpinning (talk) 16:17, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, it was me that left the "In use" tag up after my initial cleanup after I accepted it to mainspace. I got ditracted and forgot to remove it. I suggested the Dartmouth library as that's where it began, they might have collected some early press coverage. As long as a source had been properly published, it can be used. Unpublished private documents such as letter, minutes, etc, cannot be used as sources, unless they are in a professionally curated collection that is accessible in a public or academic library, museum or archive. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:14, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Question about List of fictional elements, materials, isotopes and subatomic particles

If the main list for fictional elements and materials is for major fictional elements and materials, why is Frinkonium on the main list for fictional elements and materials? — Preceding unsigned comment added by REDsEngineer (talk • contribs) 16:07, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Probably because that's where the editor who added that item decided to put it, or possibly because there was originally only one list which (and I'm guessing here) was split into two when it became inconveniently long, and Frinkonium was overlooked.

You are free to be bold, transfer it to Minor fictional elements and materials, and see if anybody reverts you. I myself would agree with the transfer.

Thanks for drawing my attention to the lists, by the way, I'm considering adding Cheddite from Harry Harrison's novel Star Smashers of the Galaxy Rangers. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.217.102.65 (talk) 16:49, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

As far as I know, the list was never split in two. I added Minor fictional elements and materials when I gave up trying to make a page for the minor fictional elements, materials, isotopes and subatomic particles. Also, Minor fictional elements and materials was removed because I added it as a new section so people could get around the fact that the only broad list for fictional elements, materials, isotopes and subatomic particles was only for major fictional elements, materials, isotopes and subatomic particles, and adding a new section so people can get around the inclusion criteria isn't proper, and I'm supposed to initiate a discussion about changing the inclusion criteria, and somehow convince people to change the inclusion criteria, when I can't even write an essay. FML. REDsEngineer (talk) 18:19, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Oh and also frinkonium is major apparentlyREDsEngineer (talk) 19:23, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Error while creating my user page

Hi all! I'm new to the wikipedia community so facing a few problems, would be helpful if anyone could help me out! While trying to publish my user page i got a error - global "ntsamr" spambot pattern filter and told me to get in touch with an admin regarding this. How can i resolve this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cr29uva (talk • contribs) 19:51, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Cr29uva, welcome to Wikipedia. If your attempted edit contained a link to another website it might have been one the spambot filter identified as problematic. Try first adding some plain text without any links to the page, just to get the page started. After that subsequent edits might help you figure out which specific content tripped the filter. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:57, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

@Dodger67: It worked. Thanks!

Frank Broyles

How do I edit a table within an article? The table of Broyles' coaching record shows that Arkansas finished 1st in the Southwest Conference in 1961 and went to the Sugar Bowl. In fact they tied with Texas. If Ark had won outright they would have been obligated to go to the Cotton Bowl. Both teams had a 6-1 conf. record, with Tex beating Ark 33-7 but losing to TCU 0-6. Only source is memory, but Wikipedia article on Darrell Royal, Tex coach at time, shows that Tex and Ark tied for 1st in 1961. Both articles cannot be right.(VinlFvr (talk) 21:45, 12 October 2018 (UTC))

Protecting articles

This thing where articles which one would think completely uncontroversial are protected against edits seems out of control. The articles for chicken & for Mercury are protected; what could be so controversial about those subjects that edits to the articles must be stopped? I recall seeing some other protected articles recently that surprised me also but these look like particularly glaring examples of mundaneness. What can the problems be that these articles simply must be protected? I won't read a Wikipedia article which cannot be edited for bad grammar & punctuation; why would I bother? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baba Blacq Sheep (talk • contribs) 14:52, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

@Baba Blacq Sheep: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Articles are not protected just because the subject is controversial; they are protected when the article is edited disruptively(which usually happens with controversial subjects, but not always). This can include excessive vandalism, edit warring, or any other disruptive editing to an article. If you feel that the protection of an article is no longer necessary, you can appeal to this noticeboard in the appropriate section. If you would like to make an edit to an article that is protected and you cannot, (there are different levels of protection) you should make an edit request on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 15:00, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

@Baba Blacq Sheep: As a volunteer who does a lot of work reverting vandalism, I will tell you that Chicken and Mercury (planet) are the subject of near-daily vandalism, presumably from schoolchildren, as are many articles regarding common animals, planets, historical figures, and the like. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 22:23, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

@Baba Blacq Sheep: Both Chicken and Mercury (planet) are semi-protected which means you can edit them when your account is at least four days old and has made ten edits. This is the most common protection level. Vandalism levels and poor edits in general are more related to page views than controversy. The articles have 79,251 and 115,863 page views in the past 30 days. That's a lot of potential vandals if anyone can edit them. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:51, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Ready for review

Is there someplace in Wiki-land that I should stop by other than the Teahouse to ask for someone, a helpful article expert, to review a draft person page I've edited that's (hopefully) ready to be approved for publishing? PaulThePony (talk) 02:26, 13 October 2018 (UTC)Paul

Hello again PaulThePony and welcome back to the Teahouse.

Some of the helpers here in the Teahouse will do pre-reviews of drafts when asked, but the best place for this service is the Articles for Creation help desk where the main purpose is helping editor navigate AfC. Of course, you can just submit your draft for review and get feedback in the normal course of things. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 05:43, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, jmcgnh, for that information which is very helpful to me. Always good to know where to go for specific forms of assistance. I submitted the draft for review and just got it approved with a C grade. I didn't fail! I still have some work to do but it's good news for sure!

Semi-protected edit request on 13 October 2018

Extended content

ប្រវត្តិសាស្ត្រឃុំចង្ហា ចង្ហាជាឃុំមួយដែលស្ថិតនៅក្នុងស្រុកអូរជ្រៅ ខេត្តបន្ទាយមានជ័យ អតីតដែនដីខេត្តបាត់ដំបង។ ឃុំដ៏តូចមួយនេះមានប្រវត្តិដ៏យូរលង់មកហើយទាក់ទងទៅនឹងទំនាក់ទំនងនិងការរស់នៅរបស់ជនជាតិខ្មែរម្ចាស់ស្រុក និងជនជាតិចិនចំណូលថ្មីរហូតដល់ក្លាយជាឈ្មោះឃុំចង្ហាមកទល់នឹងបច្ចុប្បន្ន។ តាមការតំណាលតគ្នា កាលពីរាប់រយឆ្នាំមុន ចង្ហាជាឃុំមួយដែលមានជនជាតិចិនជាច្រើនបានមករស់នៅប្រកបរបររកស៊ីចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតនៅលើទឹកដីចំណាស់មួយនេះ។ ការចូលមករស់នៅរបស់ជនជាតិចិននៅក្នុងឃុំចង្ហាក្នុងសម័យនោះ ទំនងមកពីកត្តាចម្បងធំៗបីយ៉ាង ទី១ ការគេចវេសពីការកាប់សម្លាប់នៅក្នុងសម័យសង្គ្រាមរ៉ាំរ៉ៃ ការចូលបម្រើកងទ័ពដែលបណ្ដាលមកពីអស្ថេរភាពផ្នែកនយោបាយនិងការឈ្លានពានពីអាណាចក្រក្បែរខាង។ ទី២ មកពីគ្រោះទុរភិក្សអត់ឃ្លានដែលបង្ខំឱ្យជនជាតិចិនសម័យនោះចុះមកទិសខាងត្បូងដែលជាដែនដីជ្រោយសុវណ្ណភូមិដើម្បីរកទីកន្លែងថ្មីប្រកបរបរចិញ្ចឹមជីវិត។ និងទី៣ អាចមកពីទំលាប់របស់ជនជាតិចិនខ្លួនឯងផ្ទាល់ក្នុងសម័យនោះចិនដែលចូលចិត្តការផ្សងព្រេងតាមតំបន់ផ្សេងៗតាមបែបពន្លេចរនិងតាមរយៈការធ្វើជំនួញ។ ប្រហែលមកពីរលកធំៗទាំងនេះហើយដែលបានបក់បោករុញច្រានជនជាតិចិនទាំងនោះឱ្យរសាត់មកដល់ទឹកដីសុវណ្ណភូមិដ៏ធំល្វឹងល្វើយដែលមានភូមិសាស្ត្រអំណោយផលសម្រាប់ជនជាតិចិន នោះគឺអាណាចក្រខ្មែរ ដែលក្នុងនោះទំនងជាមានជនជាតិចិនមួយក្រុមចូលមករស់នៅក្នុងភូមិចំណាស់មួយនេះផងដែរ។ មែនទែនទៅពាក្យថា “ចង្ហា” ដែលជាឈ្មោះឃុំមួយដែលស្ថិតនៅក្នុងខេត្តបន្ទាយមានជ័យបច្ចុប្បន្នមានប្រភពដើមមកពីពាក្យថា ចិនហាល ។ ពាក្យថា ចិនហាល នេះជាឈ្មោះឃុំមួយដែលត្រូវបានគេប្រសិទ្ធនាមឡើងក្នុងអតីតកាលដោយផ្អែកលើតថភាពសង្គមដែលឆ្លុះបញ្ចាំងពីជីវភាពប្រជាជនចិនចំណូលថ្មីនៅក្នុងសម័យនោះ។ បន្ទាប់ពីការចូលមករស់នៅក្នុងទីកន្លែងថ្មី ជនជាតិចិនទាំងនោះភាគច្រើននិយមប្រកបររបបាញ់សត្វ និងបិតស្រាដើម្បីធ្វើការរកស៊ីដោះដូរជាមួយជនជាតិខ្មែរម្ចាស់ស្រុក។ ជនជាតិចិនទាំងនោះនិយមយកស្បែកសត្វដែលបបាញ់បានទៅហាលដើម្បីយកមកបម្រើប្រយោជន៍ផ្សេងៗ។ ជីវភាពការរស់នៅរបស់ចិនសម័យនោះទំនងមានភាពខុសគ្នាពីម្ចាស់ស្រុក។ ខុសគ្នាត្រង់ថាជនជាតិខ្មែរយើងចូលចិត្តប្រកបរបរកសិកម្មប្រពៃណី ចំណែកចិនចូលចិត្តប្រកបរបរជួញដូរ។ ដោយឃើញពីការប្រកបរបរ ការរស់នៅរបស់ជនជាតិចិន និងបានឃើញចិនចូលចិត្តហាលស្បែកសត្វ ពួកគេក៏បានដាក់ឈ្មោះភូមិនោះថា ភូមិចិនហាល ដែលចង់សម្ដៅថាចិនហាលស្បែកសត្វ។ លុះក្រោយៗមកទៀតពាក្យថា ចិនហាល បានក្លាយទៅជាចង្ហារហូតបច្ចុប្បន្ន។ ជាតឹកតាងប្រវត្តិសាស្ត្រភូមិចិនហា ឬ ចង្ហា បានបន្សល់ទុកនូវឈ្មោះស្រះទឹកតូចមួយនៅក្នុងវត្តសិលាអណ្ដែតដែលត្រូវបានគេហៅតៗគ្នាថា “ស្រះចិន” ពីមួយជំនាន់ទៅមួយជំនាន់ដល់សព្វថ្ងៃនេះ។ តាមរយៈស្រះទឹកប្រវត្តិសាស្ត្រមួយនេះ អាចធ្វើឱ្យយើងយល់ថាជនជាតិចិនទំនងជាតាំងទីលំនៅក្បែរស្រះនោះដើម្បីប្រកបរបរនិងការរស់នៅរបស់ពួកគេក្នុងសម័យនោះដែលមានទីតាំងក្នុងភូមិប៉ោយវត្ត ឃុំចង្ហាបច្ចុប្បន្ននេះ។

Share this: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tachroeng (talk • contribs) 06:41, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

This is an English Wikipedia so try to write in English and do not edit here if you cannot and please be sure to sign your comment when you write in teahouse or any user’s talk page but do not sign when editing articles.Md.Ali25 (talk) 07:33, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

@Tachroeng: Requests should be made, in English, on the talk page of the relevant article on English Wikipedia. (We have no involvement in any other language version -each is independently run.) If your request does relate to the English version of Wikipedia, you should use the {{edit semi-protected}} template to draw attention to your request. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 07:56, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Adventure

Hi i'm Robert and i'm working on the Wikipedia adventure mission 7 I am trying to edit the headings on planet earth page, have mad many corrections but it won't let me go anywhere. Do you have any suggestions to complete this mission. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robertoeford (talk • contribs) 01:58, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Robertoeford, And welcome to the Teahouse. There are two issues which often cause problems to users on The Wikipedia Adventure. Firstly, it's not very mobile phone friendly so it's better to do it on a desktop/laptop if you have one. (See the notice on its start page for other possible issues). Secondly, somewhere around Mission six or seven I also remember getting stuck. I couldn't find any way to move forward, only to discover a pop-up into which I was required to enter data - it was hidden away, right low down at the extreme bottom of the page. So do scroll down to check if you've missed anything. Please come back and let me know if, and how, you've resolved your problem, and don't forget to sign every talk page post with four keyboard tilde characters (like this: ~~~~). Thanks, and good luck with your Mission - there are 15 badges to collect in total, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:11, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Editing dispute.

What do I do if I'm in dispute with another editor? JohnthePilot (talk) 13:58, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, JohnthePilot. I see you're already discussing on the talk page Talk:Temperature (I assume that's what you're referring to). If you can't reach consensus, then WP:dispute resolution tells you how to proceed. --ColinFine (talk) 14:58, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Colin. Yes, that was what I was referring to.JohnthePilot (talk) 17:56, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

This dispute has been resolved amicably.JohnthePilot (talk) 10:53, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Introductory articles

I recently came across Introduction to entropy, and also found Cateogry:Introductory articles. Is there a policy on introductory articles? Can't find a WP namespace page regarding these articles. It seems like a cool concept and could be expanded to more topics. Koopatrev (talk; contrib) 12:28, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Question

Please, how can i add an image — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhymesakins (talk • contribs) 11:04, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Rhymesakins, where is the image at present? On Wikimedia Commons? In your camera? On the internet? The answer is very different for those three cases. Maproom (talk) 13:10, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Draft problem

Hi I've submited a biography here a week ago and had some source and refrence problems Now I've solved them but still it has not submitted to wp correctly and it is still draft What should I do??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamidrezamodanlou (talk • contribs) 10:43, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Hamidrezamodanlou. No, you did not submit your draft; in fact, in your first edit after creating it you deleted the template that allowed you to submit it for review: I have just restored that. You can now submit your draft by picking the button. But don't do that yet! Please read referencing for beginners. Wikipedia articles rely on what people who have no connection to the subject have chosen to publish about the subject: that is what most of the article should be based on, and what most of your references should be to: not sources by Mohseni and his associates. --ColinFine (talk) 11:28, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

This draft is not up to Wikipedia standards for so many reasons. Delete all of the Youtube links. References are to be inserted in the body of the text, so as to create superscripted numbers that link to a reference list. References are not supposed to be just URLs. As advised above, read referencing for beginners. The text has many sentences that are not neutral in tone, nor supported by a reference. David notMD (talk) 13:57, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Also, when you first posted a question at Teahouse, you were asked what is your connection to Mohseni? Because Draft:Anoushiravan mohseni is the only article you have edited. If you know him personally or are working for him (or are him?) you need to understand and declare issues about conflict of interest and paid editing. David notMD (talk) 14:05, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Review

Hi again.I've added some more refrences and now I need someones help to review my article and improve it and make it looks better. Thanks a lot — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamidrezamodanlou (talk • contribs) 13:53, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

You asked this question a few hours ago here (see above), and were answered there. You also asked at Help. Please do not ask in more than one place or repeat asking, and please do sign your comments by typing four of ~. David notMD (talk) 14:09, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

can mak u one how Lugivgi board?

OH — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.35.109.163 (talk) 13:07, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. I'm sorry, I don't understand your question. If it is about editing Wikipedia, then please explain it more fully, and tell us which Wikipedia article it is about. If it is not about editing Wikipedia, then I'm afraid this is not the right place for it.

--ColinFine (talk) 14:43, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

My First Article

Hi. Can somebody please review my first article that is available in my sandbox. I have spent a lot of time finding and adding citations. Will appreciate inputs on how I can improve it and any errors i may have made.Would also like clarity on what is the next step to publishing this article on Wikipedia. Thanks in advance — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumantomondal (talk • contribs) 14:43, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Sumantomondal, to have your draft reviewed you need to submit it. Please put {{subst:submit}} at the top of the page. Be sure to include the double curly braces. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:40, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

What kind of element is this?

Hi, a newbie question here, I found a strange table on one of the pages which has only a title in '{{}}' with no description of its contents, yet it renders with many rows and columns. I pasted a copy into my user page User:Zoted. What kind of an element is this and how do I update it (info in it is getting out of date)? Thanks for your help. Zoted (talk) 15:49, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

The template in question is Template:Composition of the Senate of the Czech Republic. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:21, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Zoted. Text in {{...}} is usually a template call. See Help:A quick guide to templates. User:Zoted says {{Composition of the Senate of the Czech Republic}}. This means it calls Template:Composition of the Senate of the Czech Republic. Some templates can be called with different parameters to influence the result with special template code but this one just displays what is on the template page. Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Composition of the Senate of the Czech Republic shows two articles with "(transclusion)", meaning the template is displayed in both articles. It is made as a template to avoid copying all the code into two articles and having to manually keep the two versions synchronized when a change is made. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:29, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, now I see how it works. Zoted (talk) 16:32, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Conflicting information in article

I’m trying to clean up the grammar for an article about suicide bombings. One section names the perpetrator as one person but another section names someone else. The source for the first name isn’t in English so I can’t verify the information. How should this be handled? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prancingzebra (talk • contribs) 17:10, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

The place to discuss apparent problems with an article is on the article's talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:14, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Runway debut

Hello, I just wanted to confirm something. Jessica Jung made her major runway debut at Milan Fashion Week by walking for Dolce & Gabbana. Is a major runway debut not worthy of inclusion on her page? Thank you! Jesstan01 (talk) 16:42, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Jesstan01, the article about Jessica Jung details her music career and to a lesser extent her "fashion label". There is just one bare mention in the lead that she is a model. This creates the impression that her modelling career is insignificant.

You should start a discussion on the article talk page, with DragonFury (and anyone else who might be interested) about including detail of her modelling career, which would probably need to be about more than just a single "walk". Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:17, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Help

I was asking if there is any way/hack to move pages without creating redirects? This is the privilege that Page Movers have. Asking for the permission if not an option for me. I will be rejected without a second thought. I don't want to create unnecessary redirects. Harsh Rathod Poke me! 14:11, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello again Harshrathod50, fancy seeing you here in the Teahouse!

Redirects are normally left behind by page moves so that links, not just on Wikipedia, but anywhere on the web are not unnecessarily broken by the move. Some redirects can be tagged for speedy deletion if they meet certain criteria and you can tag them if you are sure that's the right thing to do. Autoconfirmed users can move pages onto redirects under certain circumstances (most notably, to undo a move), but the temporary name will remain as a redirect unless tagged and deleted. It doesn't take admins long to evaluate whether a tagged redirect should be deleted or no. For instance, if you make a spelling mistake on a move and do a second move to the correct spelling, one has to consider whether the spelling mistake is unusual or if it might happen to other people with enough frequency that the misspelling should remain as a redirect. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 06:01, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

I understand but redirects are consequences of page moves but for example if I knew beforehand that I don't need that redirect then there should be some way to stop it from being created. To delete the redirect, one has to tag it for deletion by editing it, and when it gets deleted, the user gets +2 to his deleted edits count. I just want as much less deleted edits as possible. Is there any way? Harsh Rathod Poke me! 17:23, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Why cant I add something

Please remove that protection — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malik Rangariii (talk • contribs) 17:16, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Malik Rangariii, welcome to the Teahouse. There's usually a very good reason why a particular page has been specially protected - usually because of prolonged vandalism. But you haven't even told us what page you referring to, so we can't even comment why protection is required. Regards Nick Moyes (talk) 18:28, 13 October 2018 (UTC)