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Help me to properly link external and internal links.Integral59 (talk) 22:26, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Thank you for your kind invitation. Earlier I tried to learn how to write the correct article for Wikipedia, but I did not succeed. Now I'm determined to learn how to write articles for Wikipedia, but I still can not solve some problems. For example, I could not correctly link references and bibliography in my draft article. I do not understand what my mistake is. Please help me correct errors in the article and edit it correctly. Thank you in advance for your kind help. Sincerely, Integral59 (talk) 22:26, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

@Integral59: Internal links (links to pages within the site) use [[two brackets like this]] around the article title, using a "|" between the title and what the link displays, [[like|this]] if that is needed. External links (links to other sites) go in a pair of single brackets with the address first, then a space, then the title for the link, [http://www.example.com like this]. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:30, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

However, @Integral59:, I'm seeing further problems with your attempted draft. It reads like a resume/CV (which we do not host) put up for the purpose of promoting Khalilov's career (which we do not allow). If you're going to write an article about anyone or anything, here are the steps you should follow:

1) Choose a topic whose notability is attested by discussions of it in several reliable independent sources.

2) Gather as many professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources you can find.

3) Focus on just the ones that are not dependent upon or affiliated with the subject, but still specifically about the subject and providing in-depth coverage (not passing mentions). If you do not have at least three such sources, the subject is not yet notable and trying to write an article at this point will only fail.

4) Summarize those sources from step 2, adding citations at the end of them. You'll want to do this in a program with little/no formatting, like Microsoft Notepad or Notepad++, and not in something like Microsoft Word or LibreOffice Writer.

5) Combine overlapping summaries (without arriving at new statements that no individual source supports) where possible, repeating citations as needed.

6) Paraphrase the whole thing just to be extra sure you've avoided any copyright violations or plagiarism.

7) Use the Article wizard to post this draft and wait for approval.

8) Expand the article using sources you put aside in step 2 (but make sure they don't make up more than half the sources for the article, and make sure that affiliated sources don't make up more than half of that).

Doing something besides those steps typically results in the article not being approved, or even in its deletion. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:32, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

And there were copyright violations. Had to delete it. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:37, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

I thank you for your prompt and detailed response. Regarding external and internal links, I think I understand everything and try to fix it. As for the subject of the article, I want to consult. I have cited several references to external sources and ask you to kindly see which of them are considered authoritative:

Extended content

1. MAIN PUBLICATIONS

Khain V.E., Khalilov E.N. Cyclicity of geodynamic processes: its possible nature Scientific World, 520 p.Library of Congress USA
Khalilov E.N., Bagirov R.A. Natural zeolites, their properties, production and application. Elm, 350 p.Library of Congress USA
Mehdiyev Sh.F., Khalilov E.N. Rhythms of Earth’s catastrophes.Elm. 1988 Library of Congress USA

2.Bibliography

Elchin Khalilov biography in Book: Dictionary of International Biography. 1995. Twenty third edition. Who Will Be Who in the 21st Century.International Biography Center, Cambridge, UK, p.308. ISBN 0948875410.

Elchin Khalilov biography in Book: Men of Achievement. 1995. Sixteenth Edition. 1994 by Merlose Press Ltd, Cambridge, UK, ISBN 0948875461

Elchin Khalilov biography in Book: Famous Scientists of Azerbaijan.Baku, Adiloglu, 2003, p.62. ISBN 9952250145

Elchin Khalilov in Book by Frederic P. Miller, Agnes F. Vandome, John McBrewster. Alphascript Publishing, Feb. 16th, 2011, USA, ISBN 9786134280105

3. External links Publication on the UN website; Publication on the NATO website; Publication in the State Information Agency of Azerbaijan; The show is on the central television channels of Turkey.

I would also like to ask, if in the text I'm talking about a member of a particular organization, for example, the International Academy of Sciences, can I link to the official website of this Academy? Thank you for your kind help. Yours faithfully, Integral59 (talk) 23:09, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Integral59. I'm afraid you're missing the point of references. Wikipedia is basically uninterested in what Khalilov (or any other subject) has done, been, said, or published, except as discussed in reliable published material, wholly independent of him. Once such an article has been written, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual material may be added from non-independent sources such as the Academy's website, or his own, and a selected (not comprehensive) bibliography may be added. The biographies in those books that you cite might be suitable, depending on their depth and how independent they are of him and his employers or associates. --ColinFine (talk) 10:35, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Question, is my wiki page accepted for my "Sammin" draft?

Look at title — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1kwwisjwksek (talk • contribs) 04:05, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

No ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 04:47, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Why not any reasons? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1kwwisjwksek (talk • contribs) 05:22, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Your edit to Bananaman was reverted because you didn't supply any references to reliable sources, verifying the information. We can't (or shouldn't) add just anything to an article, we must back it up with citations. Please read our Reliable Sources and Referencing guidelines. Rojomoke (talk) 09:40, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

@Rojomoke: You really need to read the title one more time. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 12:50, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Sammin was deleted as G3 (Blatent hoax or vandalism). It does not show up as a contribution by 1kwwisjwksek, which is why Rojomoke guessed this was about Banananananananaman. David notMD (talk) 13:14, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Image inquiry

If an artist has used NASA picture as his/her album, what should the first sort be? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liljoewiz (talk • contribs) 12:40, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, Liljoewiz, I've no idea what you're asking. What do you mean by "used NASA picture as his/her album", and what do you mean by "the first sort"? --ColinFine (talk) 19:13, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

How to create the english version for previous chinese pages

i have create a history pages https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%A9%AC%E5%85%AD%E7%94%B2%E4%BF%9D%E5%AE%89%E5%AE%AB , but i now plan create a english version for this pages, the issue is they allow me to use the translation tools i found alot of translate words/ grammar no correct , i plan do my own, but how it will link within this 2 pages? and how can i inside the photo / upload the photo to the pages? previously i can upload but now it show i'm no confirm user so cannot upload.

please help. thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pohkwan (talk • contribs) 16:00, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Pohkwan, and welcome to the Teahouse. You can create an English article by translating the Chinese, or from scratch, or as a mixture of the two; but if any of it is a translation of the Chinese article, you must credit it, under the terms of the licence - saying in the edit summary where you took it from will be adequate credit. What you should not do is simply rely on machine translation - that I think is why English Wikipedia has disabled this option. Note that the English article, however you write it, will be reviewed according to the policies and rules of English Wikipedia, in particular about referencing: I don't know whether zhwiki's rules on this are the same or not. Please see Translation for more information about all of this.

When you have created the article, and had it reviewed (this is not compulsory, but I strongly advise you to use the Article wizard and submit your draft for review), you can add a link to the zhwiki version by picking "Edit links" under "Languages" in the sidebar.

If the photo on the zhwiki article is in Wikimedia commons, you can use it in an enwiki article exactly the same way. If it has been uploaded to zhwiki instead, you will not be able to use it directly in enwiki. If its copyright status is appropriate for Commons (i.e. it is free for anybody to use for any purpose) then you can upload it to Commons and use it. Otherwise you may be able to upload it to enwiki, but only if it and the way you are using it meet all the criteria in WP:NFCC --ColinFine (talk) 19:23, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Gia manek

This user's name matches a well known person and is making edits to "their" Wikipedia article. Soft Block?--Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 20:17, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

@Thegooduser: I've blocked them. They are allowed to make a new account (to save us the trouble of renaming their current one). I'll add the article to my watchlist to see if they do. Ian.thomson (talk) 20:23, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Grammarly and Formatter citing?

I just recently used Grammarly and/or Formatter while copy editing an article. I spotted an error and asked Grammarly if it was right or not. It showed me a few more and I decided to accept those as changes also. Now, do I have to cite Grammarly or Formatter for being the englighter for changes to be made? If so, How should I do it? (And also, Is it allowed to use Grammarly in Wikipedia?)Katariasuman00 (talk) 13:48, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

You have used a tool to find and correct various grammatical errors. Nothing creative was involved, and you don't need to give any credit. I'm sure what you did is allowed; judging from the results, it should be encouraged. Maproom (talk) 14:27, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Katariasuman00, I agree with Maproom. Citations are needed for sources of information, not for how we word our sentences in writing and editing. What you did is similar to using a dictionary to verify the spelling of a word. Eddie Blick (talk) 20:45, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Facebook sharing

I am wondering if there is a way to share Wikipedia articles on my Facebook page? If so how? If not, why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.37.11.113 (talk • contribs)

You can post a link. Saint Jut (talk) 21:26, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

CSD Log

How Do I make a CSD log?Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 21:13, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

I think you go to Wikipedia:Twinkle/Preferences, then check the box next to "Keep a log in userspace of all CSD nominations." It would also be a good idea to check the box next to "Keep a log in userspace of all pages you tag for PROD." Ian.thomson (talk) 21:37, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Adminship

What does it take to be an Admin? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 20:25, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

@Thegooduser::

General knowledge of policies and guidelines (or an attitude that would allow one to guess what the community would want)
No recent blocks (I had a short edit-warring several block years ago that was a non-issue during my RfA)
No long-term problematic behavior or especially noteworthy "bad days"
At least a few articles created by the potential admin (to demonstrate their ability to write as well as their understanding of relevant policies and guidelines, such as WP:NOTE, WP:NPOV, and WP:COPYVIO)
A history of mediating disputes and solving problems for other users, especially at WP:ANI (some would say that an admin should behave like an admin before they ever get the tools)
At least a year of activity and many edits (there's no actual number for this but a lot of people will oppose an RfA by anyone with less than 10,000 or so edits)
A WP:CSD log, preferably one generated by Twinkle or some other automated script (to demonstrate that one understands our deletion policies)

Ian.thomson (talk) 20:35, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

When do you think I will be ready?Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 20:36, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Thegooduser. In practice, it requires significant and productive contributions to the encyclopedia over time, combined with a good understanding of our policies and guidelines, participation in the "behind the scenes" maintenance work, and a helpful, collaborative attitude. A candidate must pass a one week Request for administratorship, where hundreds of editors assess and critique the nominee's work. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:39, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser, you might find it useful to read the request for adminship advice essay. Gab4gab (talk) 21:02, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I'm afraid I don't know, although I don't think I was ready when I was nominated. Users who seek to become admins are less likely to be accepted, while users who just let it happen to them are more likely to be accepted whenever someone else nominates them.

I think you've proven that you can handle welcoming and warning users. I've never seen any problems with WP:CIVIL from you.

You have about 2130 edits. If you went to WP:RfA right now, most of the !votes would be "oppose" with the reason "WP:Not now," just because of the number of edits (especially a lack of edits to article talk pages).

You would need to create a CSD log, like I have here and get at least 100 entries (preferably 150), with at least a 90% success rate during the RfA

You would need to write some new articles. I got by with maybe three or four articles and several re-writes, so maybe five new articles, or three or four articles with six or seven re-writes.

It would help a lot if you had a reputation for solving problems at WP:ANI. This can possibly cause trouble, though. Sometimes people at ANI don't want their problem solved, they just want a problem to favor them instead of having it fixed in a way that everyone gets something out of. It's sometimes called "the drama board" because some users are more concerned with "winning" than fixing things. And some of those dramatic users will hold grudges.

Overall, if we were to take you to WP:RFA right now, it would not succeed -- but that's not from anything bad. With some extra work tagging new articles for deletion, writing some new articles, and ending fights at WP:ANI, you could probably be ready in another year or two. Ian.thomson (talk) 21:09, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

But I am under the Majority age. Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 21:10, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

I remember we used to have a few underage admins, so unless policy has changed I think we allow it. (It has been several years since I've seen them, though). There probably would be some folks who !vote "oppose" just because of your age, but I think the powers-that-be ignore !votes that are not based on policy or good reason. Ian.thomson (talk) 21:16, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

@Thegooduser: I don't think age would be an issue for me if I saw good admin potential in a young editor. And I do in you. But I also agree with the above commenters that you don't seem quite ready yet. I'd respectfully suggest that you still have a fair bit more to learn here (as I think I probably do, too). But, goodness, you have impressed me with your keenness and willingness to contribute here. But what concerns me more right now is the impact of your time spent here on Wikipedia versus your school studies and personal life. We have a responsibility towards all our young editors, not only to ensure their online safety, but also that they get their Wikipedia/Real-life balance correct. I know that you and I had both flippant and serious discussions not only here but also on your talk page earlier this year about getting that balance right. And I am a little concerned that this amazing site might already be eating up too much of your time. So you probably ought to ask yourself whether making further commitments right now would be a good idea or a bad one. I wonder - did you ever have that chat with your parents or trusted adults about your previous concerns over spending too much of your time here? I'd like to think you did, but we are always here to give support in whatever way we can, even if that sometimes means getting you to ease back on the throttle a little. (Remember you can always talk to fellow hosts on our talk pages, or direct email our admins if you still have concerns of getting that balance right. But, as I also said before, chatting to real people - friends and family- is by far the best thing to do, as they're the real people who really care most about you, your welfare, and how you spend your time online. Regards from a fellow 'wiki-holic', Nick Moyes (talk) 00:32, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Is my article good to go?

Hi! I'm relatively new here. Just wrote my second article. (I had to link it as an external link for some reason--perhaps because it's such a new article?) Can someone take a look at it and confirm it's good to go? Or should I go somewhere else with such requests? Thank you. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 12:27, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, DiamondRemley39, welcome to the Teahouse. Sorry for the delay in giving you a reply. Your new article on Doral Moore has already gone (into mainspace that it), though it had not yet been reviewed. It's actually very well constructed, and looks well-referenced, though I do wonder about their ability to meet WP:NSPORTS with respect to the NBA Draft (which I know absolutely nothing about). At a glance the only thing that struck me was the difference in stated metric height in the lede and the infobox - probably a conversion accuracy issue you might like to investigate and ensure you cite. I've now marked the article as reviewed, and eventually decided against adding a 'notability' tag, but other editors are, of course, free to add one if the criteria are not met. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:53, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

how to get images uploaded here, which im looking for is the Jdp or jpd

some sort of football

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Abboushi4 (talk • contribs) 05:48, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Abboushi4, welcome to our Teahouse. I'm sorry you had to wait so long for a reply. I suspect none of us quite knew what you were asking. Can you explain what you mean by "Jdp or jpd"? Did you really mean ".jpg"?

I see you have been trying to add a non-existent file (named Raúl de Tomás celebrating his goal.jpg) from Wikimedia Commons to the article on Raúl de Tomás. You can only add an image into an article if it already exists on Wikimedia Commons, or (providing you own the copyright to the picture) have one you want to upload and then use yourself. I must stress that you are not allowed to take a picture from any other copyrighted website and pretend you own it so that you can upload and use it, as it will swiftly be deleted unless, that it, it is clearly licenced from free commercial re-use.) From the warning on your talk page, it looks as if that is precisely what you have been trying to do. So please don't try that again. You might wish to read Wikipedia:Uploading images for more information. Note that if you are trying to add an existing photo into an Infobox in the field beginning "image=" then you should remove the "File:" from the start of the filename. Oh, and please remember to sign future talk page posts with four keyboard tildes, (like this: ~~~~). Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:21, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Category : Alumni of UniversityName vs Category : UniversityName alumni

Please which of the two format above is the consistent and best-practice format for creating categories for alumni of a University on Wikipedia? HandsomeBoy (talk) 17:58, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

@HandsomeBoy: Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Apologies for the long delay in getting a reply to you. I'm not sure I can give you a definitive answer, but the folks at Wikipedia:WikiProject Universities probably can. Looking at Category:Alumni and its subcategories such as Category:Alumni by university or college, I would conclude that "Alumni of UniversityName" is much more frequently used, though there are a few exceptions. It seems logical to put the keyword or keywords on which a category is listed at the front of the title, as this assists with alpha-sorting, but you may wish to read the definitive guidance at Wikipedia:Categorization and Wikipedia:Category names. I hope this helps a little. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:48, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Persistent change of information by an unregistered user on disputed information

I am having an issue in a article that I am looking after where someone without a wikipedia account keeps changing information every time. Unlike registered users I cannot really use the talk page and I don't think this person knows how wikipedia work. When I requested the page to be Semi-Protected, my request got declined saying "Not enough recent disruptive activity to justify protection., the only edit this week which looks like possible vandalism is presumably a failed attempt to add valid info to the template". I was wondering what I can do to stop this since every time I change it that editor keeps changing things back - LionCountry25 (talk) 11:34, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Is this about Edwin Wijeyeratne? — Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs) 09:19, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes, who is this? - LionCountry25 (talk) 14:42, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, LionCountry25. First, you need to stop edit warring, and discuss the matter, according to WP:BRD. You can't ping an IP user, but you can put a message on their talk page - I would suggest you open the discussion on the article's talk page, and put a message on their talk page to point them to it.

Secondly, just because you disagree with an edit, that doesn't make it vandalism. You may be right, you may be wrong, the truth may be a mixture.

Thirdly, I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "I am looking after", but it can be read as implying that you believe that you own the article. I apologise if that's not what you meant to imply. --ColinFine (talk) 17:26, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

ColinFine, thank you for getting back. If I go backwards, what I meant was it's in my watchlist and this is one article that I pay more attention to this article than others. It's not that i'm saying the information is right, there is conflicting information from different sources, so what I did was remove the information every time the editor added information since I thought it might be fruitless to put it in the talk page, but since you suggested that I might do that. Also that editor has used incorrect formats, eg: the person used order1 instead of office1 - LionCountry25 (talk) 02:44, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Dinu Li page

I have now re-written this page. Can someone remove the warning sign/advice box? I can't work out how to do it thank you! Vicarage bobby (talk) 22:00, 22 July 2018 (UTC)Vicarage Bobby

Hello, Vicarage bobby, welcome to the Teahouse. Any editor can click 'Edit source' at the page about Dinu Li and remove the template that's forms the first line, right at the top. However, I'm not going to do that myself right now as I feel further work needs doing to the article. The lede is over-detailed in my view, and needs only be a short summary stating who he his, where he's from and why he's notable. Lists of exhibitions and their citations should go in a separate section further down, and you only need state that he has exhibited in the UK and other named countries in that first paragraph; you can provide all the citations you need later on. The "Life and influences" sections seems unnecessarily detailed to me, too. I see no need for the quotation to be there at all, nor the rather waffling minor details. Just cite the references that allow you to give a concise and helpful summary. Try to remember this is an encyclopaedia, simply summarising known references, not a detailed summary of every photo exhibition he's done. It's not meant to be like an exhibition or gallery label, full of what my former museum colleagues used to call "art bollocks" in verbose and promotional retrospectives of artists' lives. Try to work on the 'less is more' approach and it could be a good, succinct article. Hoping this helps, Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 02:16, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Nick for advice - I'll have another go at it in a day or two Vicarage bobby (talk) 12:54, 23 July 2018 (UTC)Vicarage Bobby

About Publish The Wiki Page

how w publish the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arvind Akela (Kallu Ji) (talk • contribs) 11:27, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Arvind Akela (Kallu Ji) and welcome to our Teahouse. I hardly know where to start, as you've done so many things that aren't OK here. Not to worry - we'll try and sort you out. It's clear you've come here to Wikipedia expecting Wikipedia to promote an article about you. This is a common error that people who think they're famous in some way make. You have created Draft:Arvind Akela (Kallu Ji) in which you appear to have written about yourself in glowing terms (just look at the image caption to see what I mean). You then have a sandbox at User:Arvind Akela (Kallu Ji)/sandbox with similar content, and you have repeated the same promotional information on your own user page at User:Arvind Akela (Kallu Ji). The first thing I would like you to do is delete all the content in your userpage before another editor puts a deletion notice on them. Your userpage is only there to say a few words about yourself and your interests in editing Wikipedia - not for writing an article about yourself. See WP:USERPAGE for guidelines on what's acceptable there and what isn't. The quick solution is just to blank the page and then save it (i.e. hit the big blue publish changes button)

In fact, you need to be aware that we have a policy called Conflict of Interest which requires editors to declare their connection with the subject they are writing about. I am assuming you and the subject are one and the same? If not, then it's totally not OK to pretend to be someone you are not. I advise you to read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY, and especially this section, as we strongly advise people against creating pages about themselves. They are hardly ever likely to be neutral in what they write, and we prefer unconnected editors to write in a neutral manner, based on independent sources that have written about them. So, on that point, where are the references in the media that talk about you in such a way that show you meet our obligatory criteria for WP:NOTABILITY? Please read WP:NACTOR to understand how a person is judged to either meet, or not meet, those notability criteria.

Now, as to your draft article, I see you have already submitted it for review at Articles for Creation, and there's a notice at the bottom saying it's in the queue. (This can take some weeks as we're all volunteers here). I can guarantee it will be rejected as being over-promotional and undersourced, requiring independent sources to substantiate how handsome - or otherwise - you really are and how many awards and appearances you have made. So rather than sit back and wait to be turned down, why not address those issues now? Of course, if we don't see clear evidence how any person meets our notability criteria, then that person will never have a Wikipedia article about them. That said, do also have a read of WP:TOOSOON - it points out that a person might not merit an article today, but may well do so in the future when those criteria are fully met. I hope this helps, and in future posts might I also ask you to sign your comments by adding four keyboard tildes (like this: ~~~~) which automatically adds a username and timestamp to every comment that an editor makes. It makes replying to people so much easier. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:33, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Black Sarcophagus

Can someone make an article about a recently discovered black sarcophagus in Egypt, it has been on the news everywhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.148.155.196 (talk) 10:14, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

WP:Requested articles. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 12:48, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP user. While Abelmoschus Esculentus is right that the correct venue for such a request would be requested articles, the backlog there is so huge that the chances of you listing the idea there actually resulting in an article being written any time soon are pretty small. The best thing to do would be to collect sources and start an article yourself, following the guidance at Wikipedia:Your first article. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:46, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

MediaWiki tags

Hi Teahouse folks, it's good to see you again. I think I've gotten involved in an edit war on a moderately popular article... and since it concerns the wording of just one sentence, I find it faster to just redo the edit once every 24 hours in order to stay well clear of WP:3RR, than to go to the talk page. However, I think the other involved editors are somehow getting notified for my edits, which is surprising given that I'm erasing the automatically generated edit summary, which tags their usernames, and writing a new summary each time. Does this have to do with tags, specifically an undo tag, that's getting applied every time I use the undo button? If so, how can I get around this tagging process which is only drawing the whole issue out - should I just rewrite the sentence each time instead of using the handy undo button? Thanks! 96.78.136.154 (talk) 14:08, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

You should stop edit warring and discuss the matter on the article talk page. Edit-warring is not permitted, whether strictly violating 3RR or not. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:14, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Giving you advice how best to carry on edit-warring and is not something we would ever do. You should either walk away from editing the article, or have the confidence to log in under your username and address the issue directly on the Talk page. Carrying on as you have been doing does no-one any favours, and is liable to get you blocked from editing. WP:3RR does extend beyond the 24hr period if it's clearly one editor trying to game the system like you have been. If you think you're right in your editing, as you clearly do, have the confidence to explain why and come to some consensus with other editors before they seek to have you blocked. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:30, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Featured anthem article

Are there any articles about national anthem that had obtained the featured article status?--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 02:50, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

@Jeromi Mikhael: National anthem of Russia ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 04:59, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

See List of national anthems. Most are Start or C-class, a few are B-class. David notMD (talk) 10:00, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

@Jeromi Mikhael: Belarus' anthem is also featured. — pythoncoder (talk | contribs) 15:32, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Need to revert a page ASAP!

I work for an author who asked me to do the Wiki coding in order to expand a philosopher stub. I did this in a few steps (a couple not logged in). He was dissatisfied, wanted more time to think about his entry, and asked me to revert (remove any changes I'd made). I attempted to do this several times, both logged in and not--by clicking on the earlier date, clicking Edit, and publishing changes. I see the earlier page pop up, but every time we go back into Wiki, my published page shows up again as if I didn't do anything. I'm baffled and need help please. EDB — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eboepple1950 (talk • contribs) 16:14, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Eboepple1950: and welcome to Wikipedia, and the Teahouse. First things first: please make sure that you always log into your account to edit. It is also important that you read this information about editing with a conflict of interest, and that you make the required disclosure - please read that information and make the required disclosures on your user page (User:Eboepple1950) before making any other edits at all.

The article in question is Fred Dallmayr. My immediate impression is that your substantial additions to the page are a bit too substantial and detailed, and it might be a good idea to roll the article back, or at least cut down quite a lot on the level of detail, but as I say that's just my impression at first glance. There does not appear to be any content that violates Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living people, and so there is no actual hurry; my advice to you would be to edit the page more slowly, and not remove large parts of the page - and again, please don't log out to edit. What has happened here is that various editors and anti-vandalism bits have seen an anonymous IP removing most of an article, which is a common tactic for vandals, and that's why the removals have been reverted. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 16:40, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Change Table Box Background Color in Visual Editor

I've been on Wikipedia for 3 and a half years, but I figured this would be a good place to ask this, because I can't figure it out. How do I change the background color of a box in a table in visual editor? Additionally, how do I center text in visual editor? Are these possible or do I have to switch to edit source every time and then switch back? (See my sandbox.)

Thanks, AvRand (talk) 18:53, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Update: My question is still unanswered, someone help me with this? AvRand (talk) 19:33, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi Avrand6, I tried switching to the visual editor and I wasn't able to change the background colors in the table at your sandbox. It looks like you may have to use the source editor. --Habst (talk) 17:22, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Proper Upload of Images

hi there!

I am interested on doing a bibliography for an artist but I am having a problem uploading image, I believe it is because I do not know how to properly cite or reference the images, the images are upload from the artists websites and social media. I would a appreciate your help please and thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnnpaultubig (talk • contribs) 18:07, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Johnnpaultubig: and welcome to the Teahouse! Unfortunately it is almost never possible to use pictures found on official websites for an artist, or on social media, in a Wikipedia article - such photos are usually copyrighted. More information here. If you have pictures where you own the copyright, or one that is acceptable under any of the other conditions described in the link above, you can upload it - there is a guide here. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 18:32, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Johnnpaultubig. Images that you find on an artist's website or social media accounts are almost certainly copyrighted and cannot be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. Low resolution images of paintings can be used in specific articles only if there is sourced critical commentary about the painting style in the article. Please read our policy on use of non-free images, paying attention to item #7. Such images must be uploaded here to English Wikipedia. Fill in all relevant fields in the upload wizard accurately. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:41, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

How to procure images for my article

Cha Bum-Kun in 2009 - -it's generally fine to reuse and to re-caption an image already legitimately used on another Wikipedia page.

Hi All, I created a new article with title List of India national football team hat-tricks. I have ensured to conform by the rules and regulations of Wikipedia while creating the article. Now, I want to improve it and for doing so, I want to insert some images. Can someone, please, guide me about the rules & regulations to insert an image? Is it fine to use an image from another wikipedia article or do I need to get prior permission for that? Regards, DipanjanDatta1974 (talk) 17:01, 23 July 2018 (UTC)DipanjanDatta1974

Hello DipanjanDatta1974 and welcome to our Teahouse. Thank you for your question. With only a few minor exceptions (such as 'fair use') which we probably need not concern ourselves with here, it's fine to use an image that has already been legitimately deployed on another Wikipedia page. You're free to change the caption, of course, to suit its use in your new article. I should add that you are not allowed to take copyrighted images off the internet and upload for use on Wikipedia. You may upload images you have taken yourself and are happy to release for anyone else to use, even for commercial purposes. For more guidance on using using photos, see the helpful links at WP:IMAGES. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:46, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Nick Moyes Thanks a lot for your response with an accurate example of an image. This is what I had in mind. Regards, Dipanjan Datta DipanjanDatta1974 (talk) 18:56, 23 July 2018 (UTC)DipanjanDatta1974

Getting harassed via wikipedia pages

I have a cyberstalker who has been harassing online me since September 2017. Violent threats via email, fake ads using my private facebook details and likeness, typical stalker stuff. Recently I found out two to three dozen edit to various wiki pages, referencing my name. All of them are violations of Wikipedia terms of service against harassment and vandalizing.

Is there a way to regex block text edits containing my name? Freeze edits to a page?

Banning usernames or IP does not help, because he simply creates a new one elsewhere or moves to a different wifi spot.

I really don't know where to begin with this kind of stuff. Is this even the right place to ask? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spacenacho (talk • contribs) 18:43, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Spacenacho. Sorry about the harassment. Usernames that impersonate a real person should be blocked indefinitely. Report them to WP:UAA. Vandalism should be reported to WP:AIV. Follow the instructions at the top of each noticeboard. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:53, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi, Spacenacho! That's awful, I'm sorry you're being harassed. As far as Wikipedia goes, there are mechanisms to do the things you're asking about, and normally administrators (I happen to be one) would be the people to ask, perhaps at a place like the administrators' noticeboard. However, since your privacy is affected, it's probably better to email your concerns, rather than post further details about them publicly on Wikipedia itself. Probably the best thing to do is to email the oversight team: Special:EmailUser/Oversight. Oversighters are highly trusted users who have the ability to suppress things like personal details from even administrators. If you use the email form to give Wikipedia-relevant information, ideally including the diff links of the specific edits in question, they should be able to help you out expeditiously. Note that, in order to use that email form, you'll need to attach an email account to your Wikipedia account; that can be done from Special:Preferences (at the bottom of the user profile tab). Please feel free to reply here or on my talk page if you need more help. Thanks, and I hope it works out! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:56, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

copyright permission

HI!

How can I prove that I am given the permission to use a photo of a celebrity I personally know. My other question is how am I supposed to know if an image can be use by anyone(free-use). thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnnpaultubig (talk • contribs) 18:47, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

@Johnnpaultubig: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. For your first question, if I understand things correctly, you can't. The person who owns the photo(which is probably the photographer or agent of the celebrity) must be the one to grant permission for its use to Wikipedia themselves, it cannot be done by a third party. They may do so by following the procedure at WP:DCP. I assume this has to do with Monika Jensen? 331dot (talk) 19:15, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

@Johnnpaultubig: Looking at the article further, I have tagged it with some concerns that need to be addressed. IMDB is not usually considered a reliable source as it is user-editable; the other two sources are both primary sources and not acceptable for establishing notability. Please review the notability guidelines at WP:NACTOR. I would ask you if you work for or represent Monica Jensen. 331dot (talk) 19:19, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Publishing

Hi There!

I've recently published an article/biography for an artist in my area, but I am worried if I created the page in the right way, or reference/cite it in the right way. Are there anyways I can assure that it will be active and will not be deleted due to referencing errors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnnpaultubig (talk • contribs) 19:21, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

The article in question, Monika Jensen, has two main problems. The first and foremost is lack of proper sourcing. The basis of every good article is reliable third party sourcing. A subject's own web site, social media presence, blogs, paid advertising or press releases are not considered reliable sources. Here's more extensive info: Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. I did a quick search for coverage to help you out and could only find this: [[1]]. Interviews are only just barely better than a self published source, because the subject can say whatever they want, and the editorial standards are typically not so high. There's no overcoming this hurdle - the article will most likely be deleted. I recommend saving the text and in the future if Ms. Jensen gets more media coverage, you can revisit. The second issue is that the content is written too promotionally - it's not encyclopedic. Phrases like "She is nationally and internationally published around the world" and "These exclusive works are rarely shown in public but are the center of conversation with any art collector" are out of place here. The latter statement cannot be substantiated with any amount of sourcing. So, in the future, find good sourcing, and be cautious with using promotional language. Regards. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 19:39, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

I've also replied to Johnnpaultubig on my user talk page where they contacted me. 331dot (talk) 19:40, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) (And I've just CSDed it!) Hi, Johnnpaultubig, thanks for posting your question at the Teahouse about Monika Jensen. It's never reference errors that result in deletion, it's inadequate references that are the problem, or breaches of our policy, like copyright violation. Because of the latter, the best thing you can do is to rewrite the page completely and add an independent and reliable reference after every statement of 'fact'. We call these inline citations and they evidence what's said about a person. So please read Wikipedia:Inline citation for how to do this. In your case you've used two sources written by the subject. This isn't sufficient. Not only that, but I now see you have simply cut and pasted this directly from a copyrighted source, one of which is this IMDB wiki page, which anyone can edit, and is not regarded as a reliable source, but it's content is clearly copyright. See WP:COPYVIO. For this reason I felt obliged to unreview the page and flag it for [[WP:CSD|speedy deletion] as unambiguous copyright infringement (G12). There's nothing to stop you recreating the page if you write in your own words based on good independent sources. But if you cannot find independent sources that talk about her in depth, and write about her in your own words, then she won't ever meet our Notability Criteria, and a future page may just as swiftly be deleted, I'm afraid. Sorry I can't bring you more hope, and I'm really sorry that in the course of responding to you I've had to propose her page for deletion. It's not something I set out to do, honest. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:57, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Reliable Sources

Hi There!

I'm creating a wiki page for an actress but I'm not sure if my sources will be considered by Wikipedia as a verifiable and reliable source. The actress I'm writing a wiki page about is Monika Jensen and I was wondering if the following sites are considered as verifiable.

I'm sure they're all verifiable. BUt if they're to be used to establish that the subject is notable, they'll also need to be independent. Wikipedia doesn't care what anyone has said or written about themself, it's only independent articles that count.

http://www.gallerydir.com/art-web/ARTIST/data/ID/176

This page is headed "Artist Statement", and so is not indpendent of the subject.

https://calgarysbusiness.ca/calgarys-movers-and-shakers/monika-jensen-secret-to-success/

This article is based on an interview with her, and so is not independent.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/celebrity-artist-monika-jensen-premiers-on-tlcs-say-yes-to-the-dress---dec-5-516450131.html

This page gives as its source "Monika Jensen Productions". Again, not independent.

http://www.abstractartistgallery.org/monika-jensen/

begins with a long paragraph by the subject.

Thank you for all the help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnnpaultubig (talk • contribs) 20:25, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

So, none of those sources helps to establish that she is notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article. Maproom (talk) 20:46, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

@Johnnpaultubig: yes, I'm afraid I do agree with Maproom. Maybe it's just WP:TOOSOON, and worth waiting a few years until she's been written about by people other than her own production team. Sorry about that. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:00, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

How do bicicles work?

I hope I spelled the title right... :P

If a bike is standing still then it will fall (if it's not supported by anything), but if the bike is moving at a fast speed it will not fall unless if it slows down.

What is the physical law that if an object is moving as a fast speed the object's area of support (that thing that will make the object fall if the center of gravity is over it) will increase

What is the formula for this magical bike physic change? Has anyone thought about it in the past? Never heard of Eistein riding a bike and thinking about "But why doesen't it fall if i move the center of gravity over the wheels?"

SpaceMAXUE (talk) 20:57, 23 July 2018 (UTC) <- Note: Lazy ket that only questions and looks at how people think about stuff I say

@SpaceMAXUE: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The Teahouse is a place to ask questions about using Wikipedia, and is not for asking general questions. You may try the Reference Desk or the article on Bicycles. 331dot (talk) 21:02, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Read Bicycling Science by David Gordon Wilson, pretty sure it's in there (my copy is packed away). Guy (Help!) 21:21, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

You might read our article Bicycle and motorcycle dynamics. Deor (talk) 21:37, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Account Globally Blocked

Hi There!

My question is about account that is globally blocked? what are the reason why account can be globally blocked and how can we unblocked it? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnnpaultubig (talk • contribs) 21:18, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

@Johnnpaultubig: - you can review the information at WP:BAN and WP:BLOCK for data on blocks, and read and follow instructions at WP:APPEAL for information on how and why to appeal a block levied by administrators on you. Stormy clouds (talk) 21:24, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

@Johnnpaultubig: as your account is not blocked, nor ever has been, it may help if you can you tell us which account you're asking about? Your use of the word 'we' suggests that you or your promotion agency is running more than one account, and probably for the wrong purposes. Doing that really does breach our policies and may swiftly lead to indefinite blocks of IP addresses. I think global blocks apply only to IP addresses, not registered users, and are applied only when there has been severe disruption caused. I doubt that applied to you, so blocking on just one language wiki would seem more likely. The more you can tell us, the more we can guide you.Nick Moyes (talk) 21:41, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Biography of an unknown/unpopular artist

Hi There!

I was just wondering if it is possible for someone to write a biography of a person that is just starting out as an artist. What kind of sources should I use for this artist since she/he is not really popular and doesn't have much popularity. Johnnpaultubig (talk) 21:46, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

@Johnnpaultubig: If you have follow up questions, please just add them to an existing section(click "edit" next to the title of this section). I gave you a reply to your question on my user talk page if you haven't seen it yet. As I indicated, Wikipedia is not for promotional purposes like helping to make someone more well known or to advance their career. Someone must already be well known in order to merit an article here. In the case of an actor or actress, they must meet at least one of the notability criteria at WP:NACTOR as shown in independent reliable sources. If they are not popular or well known, such sources probably do not exist, which would mean they do not merit an article here at this time. I would remind you that as you seem to be a paid editor, you must formally declare this per WP:PAID, which is mandatory per Wikipedia's Terms of Use for paid editors. If there are not appropriate sources for the person you are writing about, you may need to give them their money back as you won't be able to create an article about them. 331dot (talk) 21:54, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Article Not Approved - Appears to match other existing articles exactly

I am trying to add to the set of Wikipedia Pages for The New York Times Non-Fiction Best Sellers by Year. Wikipedia currently has pages for 2000-2018, and a few years scattered between 1931 - 2000. I submitted a page for 1999, following the same style as the pages for years that had previously been reported and apparently approved. The reviewer denied the page saying 'Lacks significant coverage in multiple independent verifiable secondary sources'. The currently existing pages for 2000-2018 have very few references, all from the NYTimes itself and no other independent secondary source. How can I improve the page so that it's approved? Should the pages that exist now include more references? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charmquark2 (talk • contribs) 13:36, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

I will take a look at your offering, but you should also read WP:OtherStuffExists. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 03:16, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Well, I looked at your proposed list and also at some of the other years in that series, and, sure enough, none of the articles that I examined had independent reliable secondary sources. That doesn't mean that your article will be accepted, but it might mean that all or most of the other articles should be deleted. I would suggest trying to create a different article concerning one of your other interests. WP is always looking for new (but verifiable) material. Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 03:31, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

archiving

I have an automatic archive on my talk page and came here and asked how to stop it from archiving a section I wanted to keep. It apparently didn't work because that section is gone now. Can someone tell me how to keep what I want to keep? Jenhawk777 (talk) 02:54, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Jenhawk777, it's good to see you at the Teahouse again.

It seems you did not follow the additional instructions given in response to your earlier Archivebot question. The template {{DNAU}} needed to be substituted or it doesn't work. If you need help, with your permission, I'm willing to fix this for you: undo the archive, fix the template. I know there's a big scary warning at the top of the archive not to edit it, but there are some things one is allowed to fix. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:54, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Is this an acceptable use of the userspace?

I'd like to create a page to act as a pronunciation guide for Pokémon names. I know this isn't suitable for the mainspace—though I intend for it to be informative, it's not up to notability standards. So my question is, would such a thing be acceptable in the userspace, as a subpage of my user page?

I'm looking through the userspace policy, but not finding a clear-cut answer. Would it be considered a "personal writing suitable within the Wikipedia community", or closer to "extensive writings and material on topics having virtually no chance whatsoever of being directly useful to the project, its community, or an encyclopedia article"? ("No chance whatsoever" seems to me like it'd have to be a tad more extreme.)

The reason I want to have this on Wikipedia is because I think it would benefit greatly from Wikipedia's pronunciation-related templates, particularly {{IPAc-en}} and {{Respell}}. If, say, Bulbapedia had these templates, I'd be looking into putting it there instead, but I'd like to know if this is an option first.

— Randomwaffle23 (talk) 03:10, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello Randomwaffle23 and welcome to the Teahouse.

I think you could create such a page for your own reference if it were presented as a tool for ongoing work adding to Pokemon articles. As soon as you started to refer to the page in your userspace in postings outside of WP, you would run into the policy about abuse of WP as a webhost: WP:NOTWEBHOST. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:02, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Image deleted

Regarding https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Illustrated_Daily_News&type=revision&diff=851567356&oldid=851206795, I can't figure out how to appeal the deletion of an image, even though I have BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 23:59, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, BeenAroundAWhile. That diff just shows a bot removing a link to a file which has already been deleted. You can find the delete log here: Explicit speedily deleted the image giving the rational "WP:F7: Violates non-free use policy". I don't know if there's a way to appeal a speedy deletion, but I've pinged Explicit, and you can discuss it with them. --ColinFine (talk) 08:18, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Article Deleted

Hi there! I created my first article without logging into my account; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:The_Ondo_State_Wealth_Creation_Agency. When I discovered this, I moved the page some days after, into the main article space, and it got deleted yesterday; https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Ondo_State_Wealth_Creation_Agency&action=edit I don’t know how to rectify this. Please help. Thanks! Wikkyexpert (talk) 21:20, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello Wikkyexpert, and welcome to the Teahouse. Ermm, your draft does still exist. It's at Draft:The Ondo State Wealth Creation Agency where I think it was moved back from mainspace because it wasn't ready. So when you ask about rectifying this, does this answer your question, or are you seeking help as to what to do next? Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:30, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Hey Nick Moyes, thank you for your response! I was wondering if the fact that I created the page without logging in would delay its review, and if I could l recreate it through my account

Wikkyexpert (talk) 09:32, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Help with a dab page

Hi Teahouse,

I am unsure of the best way to publish a dab page I have in draft. There are multiple Richard Vogt articles (different people), and I think a disambiguation page would be useful. Would it be possible for you to give some feedback, or to help me publish it if it is deemed suitable? Thanks for your help - sorry, I find these types of pages the most tricky. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Richard_Vogt

SunnyBoi (talk) 09:23, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

I don't see any issues with your draft, but as Richard Vogt is currently unavailable, I've moved it to Richard Vogt (disambiguation) for you. If you want to move it to Richard Vogt, then you will need to start an WP:RM, and to identify a new page name for the current article there. Iffy★Chat -- 12:11, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

How to switch a new watchlist off?

Can I switch a new watchlist off globally? I mean to do it once, effective on all languages Wikipedias, Wikibooks, Commons etc. Or do I have to go to preferences and click the checkbox at each site separately? --CiaPan (talk) 06:12, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi CiaPan. Special:Preferences has a link Set your global preferences. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:36, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Many thanks, PrimeHunter! I've been there countless times and never noticed that link! --CiaPan (talk) 10:41, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

@CiaPan: It's only two weeks old: Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 167#Global preferences came to the Wikipedias today. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:50, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Yeah, but I managed to switch that new watchlist interface off and on, and once again off at enwiki, plwiki and commons, also looked at my Prefs at some Wikipedias in other languages, so I think I should have noticed it at some occasion! But I did not... Must sleep more. 🙂 Thanks again. --CiaPan (talk) 12:14, 24 July 2018 (UTC)