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Another user is reverting an article after my edit.

A User (The Banner) is resetting edits I have made to the article 'Turlough Hill'. The article he reverts to is incorrect. I have worked in this location for 35 years and I am a recognized expert on the history as well as the technical details of this place.

How do I stop him for doing this??

ESBPGEN (talk) 12:00, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi, ESBPGEN - The Banner and subsequently Velella were correct in their reverts, as your edit misunderstood the subject of the article. You were altering the lead of the article to change its subject entirely, without consensus for doing so. Alterations like this - NOTE - The name, Turlough Hill, refers ONLY to the Hydro Electric scheme and it is not the name of the mountain on which the upper reservoir is situated, are not suitable edits to make to an encyclopedia. While we all appreciate your efforts to ameliorate the article, the way in which you are doing so is not, shall we say, optimal. The article about the power station is here, and can be edited accordingly. Please note that local knowledge of an area will not suffice if the edit is lacking in citations from reliable sources. Feel free to ask any further questions which you may have. Stormy clouds (talk) 13:58, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

• @ESBPGEN: The above advice is good, but I fear the most important message for your situation is diluted. That message is that we do not care what you know, because we are not in the business of original research; what we care about is what sources say. If you have sources supporting your viewpoint, present them and then we will talk. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 14:02, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

How to change username?

Hi

i am new to wikipedia world. i want to change my username of wikipedia account. can you guys please tell me how to change?

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by WithSUHOForever (talk • contribs) 05:28, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello WithSUHOForever and welcome to the Teahouse.

Please see the instructions at Changing username. Please take particular note that, when an account has very few edits, it is easier just to abandon the old account (never log into it again) and start a new one. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 05:39, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Also, if you want to abandon an account and create a new one, it may be helpful to mention that you edited with an old account on the user page of your new account, so that it shows that you have edited Wikipedia in the past. It's not required, but it may be helpful. — MRD2014 ^Talk 14:24, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Edit procedure

Do you have a page that describes the edit procedure? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.58.142.186 (talk) 15:14, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Various policies and essays detail how to edit on Wikipedia, and there is abundant information on how to do so. Every editor, including even the most experienced, will admit to still having plenty to learn and develop. However, a good place to start would be by reviewing advice for your first article, our editing policy, and the five pillars which underline Wikipedia. Hope this helps, Stormy clouds (talk) 15:59, 16 July 2018 (UTC).

URGENT

How can I delete my draft, which is rejected twice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rana Abrar.Ali (talk • contribs) 18:35, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

{{db-author}}. Adam9007 (talk) 18:39, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Question

i have created a page , How can i convert it to a article..? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prakhar Malviya Kanha (talk • contribs) 16:24, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

@Prakhar Malviya Kanha: I’ve added a submit button for you. Click that to submit it for review. Hope this helps! ⇒ Lucie Person (talk|contribs) 20:03, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Sourcing sources

Hey guys. I'm currently in the process of editing the Ojha page and it really could do with some sources. The trouble is that I have no idea where the best place would be to begin looking. Is there a page or repository here that could give me a place to start? LampGenie01 (talk) 15:30, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

@LampGenie01: Welcome to the Teahouse! I usually just do a quick search on Google, or search for a book at my local library. You can also go to the WP:Reference Desk for help finding sources. See WP:Find your source and WP:Reliable. Hope this helps! ⇒ Lucie Person (talk|contribs) 20:08, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

URGENT

Greetings

please how can i upload pictures to user page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by EMEGHEBO NNAEMEKA NNAMDI (talk • contribs) 17:41, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

@EMEGHEBO NNAEMEKA NNAMDI: - you can upload files, provided you own/have permission to the copyright, using the File Upload Wizard. Once uploaded, you can include them on your user page using the following wiki-text - [[File:Image_name.jpg|left|250px]]. Hope this helps, Stormy clouds (talk) 18:57, 16 July 2018 (UTC).

Welcome to the Teahouse, EMEGHEBO NNAEMEKA NNAMDI. Please calm down! It is not urgent. Hardly anything on Wikipedia is urgent (see There is no deadline, and certainly not anything on user pages). Judging from what you have posted on your User Talk page, it looks as if you might be trying to create an article about yourself. Please don't do this. Autobiography is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia. You can share a bit about yourself on your User page if you wish (not your User Talk page, which is for other editors to communicate with you) but it should be primarily about you as a Wikipedia editor: see User pages. --ColinFine (talk) 21:07, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Selena Gomez and Justin bieber music's

The reason why I'm not getting through with it is that I don't really know how to manage my Wikipedia and so on in just a new guy now running down things on Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.177.218.125 (talk) 17:52, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

The reason why I'm editing this is that I'm not getting through with it on Wikipedia I don't know if they does put up things like that — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.177.218.139 (talk) 18:03, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. I'm sorry but I have no idea what you are talking about, and what help you are requesting (if you are). Please explain a bit more (by editing this section and adding further replies). --ColinFine (talk) 21:09, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Attempting to update Anne E. DeChant profile

Tried to edit to update. Understand that there may be too many links, or that Wikipedia editors don't like the links, but does the entire editing session have to be rejected? Can I get back to editing page with my edits intact and make the corrections needed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shimel75 (talk • contribs) 16:23, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Welcome Wikipedia Shimel75. It is good thing to participate in making Wikipedia better. I taken a look at your work that you did on the Anne E. DeChant article and noticed a few things that may be giving you problems in editing. First of all, you wanted to add content but did not support the content with a reference. As well-informed as you seem to be, unless content is backed up some good sources it risks being removed. But all is not lost. You are more than welcome to put the content back in IF you can find a good reference to back up what you want to see in the article. It is very important to source all information in an article about a person. It is also important to use words that are neutral. If you have any other questions please come back to the Teahouse to get some answers. Even though it might seem like your work is not appreciated, it really is-as long as you are able to add good references. Best Regards, Barbara ✐  ✉ 21:48, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Edit removed

I made an edit to the wiki page of the video game, Vampyr as it lacked the ending content but the editor completely reverted the changes. He said that it was nominated for a good page or something like that. My question is what is that all about? — Preceding unsigned comment added by IGuy2810 (talk • contribs) 02:37, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

In his edit summary, Cognissonance said that your edits were in good faith, that is, he believes that your edits were not vandalism even if they felt it was necessary to revert those edits. The rest of his edit summary says "we only write what has to happen" (i.e. our plot summaries cover what will happen in all playthroughs regardless of player choice). Ian.thomson (talk) 02:44, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

false positive from cluebot

How do I remove the warning on the user talk page so I can re-enter the edit information? Thank you BortmasJ (talk) 06:51, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

You already have, BortmasJ, but the presence or absence of a warning message on your talk page does not affect your ability to edit an article. However, the Cluebot warning wasn't an error. You added external links to the body of the article, removed a prior addition and did not cite a reliable source. Wikipedia isn't interested in your interpretation of the Bible, any more than it is interested in mine. All interpretation needs to be sourced to reliable sources that interpurt the text. I'd suggest you start a discussion at the article's talk page. John from Idegon (talk) 07:56, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Uploading a new file

I completed a draft ↓, however I can't upload this to Wikipedia. Can anyone help me?

text of draft

== User talk:68.7.23.104 From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to navigationJump to search ＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝ Tatsuo Sasaki (March 30, 1944 - ) is a timpanist, percussionist, xylophonist and marimbist, born in Okayama, Japan and lives in San Diego, CA. Contents [hide] Biography Tatsuo Sasaki received Fulbright Scholarship to Juilliard School of Music while he was senior at Tokyo Geijutsu Daigaku (Tokyo University of Arts and Music). He studied timpani with Saul Goodman, the timpanist with New York Philharmonic. He also received several lessons from noted xylophonist, Yoichi Hiraoka in New York and performed recitals in New York city. 1966 -1967, Sasaki was a percussionist with The American Symphony directed by Leopold Stokowski. 1967-1969 Assistant timpanist and percussionist with Israel Philharmonic Orchestra directed by Zubin Mehta 1970-1972 Percussionist with Japan Philharmonic Orchestra directed by Seiji Ozawa ; Faculty at Sakuyo 　　Conservatoire (percussion) ; Solo recital in Tokyo 1972-1973 Principal timpanist with Orquestra Sinfonica Brazileiro in Rio de Janeiro 1973-2006 Principal timpanist with San Diego Symphony & San Diego Opera, Faculty at SDU (San Diego University) and Grossmont College (Timpani, percussion & marimba) ; Featured as xylophone soloist with San Diego Symphony, Glendale Symphony, etc. and performed “Fantasy on Japanese Wood Prints” composed by Alan Hovhaness directed by Andre Kostelanetz, “Marimba Concerto” by Robert Kurka, “Concertino for marimba” by Paul Creston, “Suite No.2” by J.S.Bach, etc. 2006 Retired from San Diego Symphony and San Diego Opera 2007-2009 Conducted marimba ensembles in Tokyo and Nagoya, taught marimba at masterclasses in Japan. 2009-present Formed TheMarimbaDuo with noted marimbist/music arranger/music publisher, Michiko Noguchi in Tokyo, performed concert and released CDs. Photo At the concert “Fantasy on Japanese Woodprints” left : Sasaki. middle: Allan Hovhaness, right: Andre Kostelanetz 1975 Discography ”Xylophone Artistry” (Solo) Musical Heritage Society, US ”Riverdance” (TheMarimbaDuo) Kleos, US ”Tempest” (TheMarimbaDuo) Kleos, US “Back to Bach” (TheMarimbaDuo + Marimba Ensemble) Kojima Recording, Japan Reference http://www.fulbright.jp/jusec/index.html Asahi Newspaper “Tatsuo Sasaki Percussion Recital” review Music magazine "Ongaku no Tomo" "Tatsuo Sasaki Percussion Recital" Review External Links 1. Home Page : sasakitatsuo.com 2. TheMarimbaDuo : https://www.facebook.com/themarimbaduo/?ref=br_rs 3. Musicians from Juilliard School of Music

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Andanmoderato (talk • contribs) 18:46, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello Andanmoderato and welcome to the Teahouse.

I see that you managed to create a draft on some IP user's talk page. I've moved the draft to Draft:Tatsuo Sasaki (percussionist) for you and asked that the remnants be cleaned up. You can continue to work on the draft in its new location. It needs a considerable amount of work before it is suitable for submission, but there are indications that the subject is notable and should have an article.

It's difficult for me to advise you what to do better next time. The most important step is to start with your own sandbox, not the entirely volatile and temporary global sandbox at WP:Sandbox. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 06:40, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

@Andanmoderato: You ought to read the guidance at WP:Your first article, & further advice which I will add to your user talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:48, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Can you edit a page's central description?

E.g. If you search 'Rupert Moon' it comes up with 'English Rugby Union Player' when he is in fact a 'Welsh Rugby Union Player' - I can't see a way to edit this though - anyone know if it is possible? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rupert_Moon&action=info — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruthdavieswrites (talk • contribs) 09:08, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

This is one of many cases where data is unwisely taken from Wikidata, rather than from the English Wikipedia page itself. In the left hand toolbar of Rupert Moon you'll see a link to the Wikidata item, and you can correct the error there. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:15, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

making a user page

Hello! How can I make a user page that's suits my style (contents, etc.), because I'm at lost on how to make one... I sincerely need some help with this...

Thanks, Ralph1300 (talk • contribs) 08:50, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Ralph1300, and welcome to the Teahouse. Have a look at WP:User page design center. --ColinFine (talk) 10:10, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Please help me

Hi greetings, I created a bot named Pathbot. How can I control the bot and do tasks. But it is working only like a ordinary account. I gave a request for approval in WP:Bots/Requests for approval/Pathbot. How can I make my bot good. Kindly please help me.--PATH SLOPU ^(Talk) 13:21, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

@Path slopu: Have you read Wikipedia:Creating a bot?

How long are AFC reviews taking these days?

Hello!

Before I get to my question, please see my COI declarations on my User page.

Just hoping someone can give me some guidance on how long the review cycle is these days for draft articles submitted to AfC review. I submitted two in the not too distant past; one was reviewed very quickly, the other is moving a bit slower. I'm hoping to get some additional insight to share with clients, and explain why patience is needed.

Thanks very much in advance for any info or insight you'd like to share.

Mdrozdowski (talk) 17:48, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

@Mdrozdowski: There are over 2,000 submissions pending review. I’m unsure on how they prioritize them, but I’m assuming it’s by date. Some articles that have been submitted 5 months ago still are awaiting review (See AFC pending submissions by age). The AfC reviewers are people, so patience is needed for that. ⇒ Lucie Person (talk|contribs) 20:21, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

I review up to 20 articles per day, in no particular order, sometimes from the back of the list, other times from the front, I detest paid for editing, so never rush to review those particular draft articles. Theroadislong (talk) 20:34, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, ⇒ Lucie Person and Theroadislong -

Thanks so much for your answers; it's very helpful. I have been warning clients that reviews can take quite awhile, but wanted to check in for my own education. I do appreciate your answering my question.

Theroadislong, I can totally understand people dislike and distrust (quite often for very good reasons) paid editors. That's part of the reason I definitely try to alert everyone right up front that that's exactly what I am. My counsel to my clients is that Wikipedia is like a living ecosystem - easy to damage if you're not a good steward, and that's why we absolutely try to strictly adhere to the MOS, especially when it comes to NPOV. I see that you left a comment on my draft; I'd love to learn which parts of the article are too promotional so I can correct them. Would you be willing to share some suggested edits with me?

In any case, thank you again for your input.

Mdrozdowski (talk) 20:50, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Mdrozdowski just a correction, it's five weeks not months, that the oldest submissions have been waiting. Keep in mind that's only a small fraction of the total queue, the vast majority are reviewed within the first week. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:08, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

User Name Question

Hi,

My name is Jessica. I am writing an article about Lena de Winne. I tried to create an account under a different name but then saw that the title of the article was in that name. So I created a new account under LenadeWinne but now I'm wondering if Wikipedia will think I am writing about myself?

Thank you,

   Jessica  — Preceding unsigned comment added by LenaDeWinne (talk • contribs) 16:32, 17 July 2018 (UTC) 

Hello Jessica. You absolutely should not use an account in somebody else's name. You don't have to use your real name - I do, but many people use pseudonyms - but you must not impersonate somebody. Please read CHU and change your username as soon as possible.

You are quite appropriately working in a user sandbox - it has the account name at the front precisely because it is not yet an article in article space: there is no necessary relationship between the name of the sandbox and the name which the article will eventually have when it is moved to main space. Have you read your first article? Please remember that Wikipedia articles should be almost entirely based on what people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to publish about them - Wikipedia has very little interest in anything that a subject says about themselves, or that their associates say about them. Please also read referencing for beginners: the references in your draft are hard to make sense of, and to determine their reliability and independence. --ColinFine (talk) 16:54, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) @LenaDeWinne: Now that you said so, no, but you will still need to change your name (see WP:IMPERSONATE). See WP:CHU for how to do so (come back if you still have trouble).

I will also notice that your draft does not seem to show why Lena De Winne is "notable", meaning roughly "has been written about by multiple reliable sources" (see WP:NBIO for details). That Frank De Winne is notable does not mean his wife is, so the claim of notability rests on books written by her - would you have reviews of these books in the press etc.?

Finally, please have a look at WP:SIGN to know how to sign your posts in the future. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 16:55, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Article images

Hello, I have a question regarding images. For articles that are in need of images, is Wikimedia Commons the only source editors should draw from? ChrisD Strummer (talk) 15:57, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

• @ChrisD Strummer: Images work in a two-step process. The first step is uploading, either on Commons or locally, an image that comes from any source as long as copyrights are in order (rule of thumb: free images go to Commons, the rest are disallowed except very special exceptions which go to the local upload). The second step is inclusion in articles, where files can be taken either from Commons or from the local (en-wp) server.

Feel free to ask follow-ups about where to upload which image (that stuff is very complicated); if you have a specific query in mind, you can also go to the specialized forum. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 17:05, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

IDDFS pseudo code example endless loop.

Hi! I recently proposed an article change at the talk page of the IDDFS article because I've noticed, as another user did too, the pseudo-code in the real wiki page would never end if a goal isn't found.

I added the talk page to my watchlist to wait confirmation on one of the proposals, is this the proper way? Should I at least leave a notice in the real article of this problem?

Thanks --2bam (talk) 16:27, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, 2bam. Yes, this is the proper way. No, you should absolutely not leave a notice in the real article. I suggest waiting a few more days to see if anybody discusses it (you might Ping the editor who originally made the suggestion - the article is probably on their watch list, but it does no harm to notify them). If nobody has objected or otherwise commented, go ahead and make the change (with a suitable edit summary). The worst that can happen is that somebody reverts it, and then you can discuss it further with them on the talk page. Another possibility, if you are not confident in making the change, is to ask at WT:WikiProject Computer science. --ColinFine (talk) 16:44, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

• @2bam: If anything, you discussed the change too much! Even if you are not decided between your two proposals, I presume either is better than the current state of the article, so go ahead and change it. See WP:BOLD: if you are sure of what needs to be done, and you do not anticipate obvious opposition to it, just do it; if you get reverted, then it is time to talk (see WP:BRD). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 17:01, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

• @ColinFine: @Tigraan:, thank you both for your help. I'll wait a couple of days and then make the change. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2bam (talk • contribs) 17:33, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Erased Information

Yesterday I edited an article but Today when I looked at the article all the information that I added was erased. So I want to know why other editors delete other editors information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocky333God (talk • contribs) 18:47, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

• @Rocky333God: Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. You can see the list of all edits of a page by clicking the "history" tab (see WP:Page history). I guess you are talking about the The Motto article. You can see the editing history of that article here: [1]. As you can see, your addition was removed by Binksternet because it did not cite any reliable source (see: WP:Verifiability). In Wikipedia articles, every statement should be supported with references to reliable sources, so that anyone can verify the information. Vanjagenije (talk) 19:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Vanjagenije is right, I removed this addition because it was unreferenced. It was also written poorly, and it appeared to be original research, which is not allowed. If there's a published article about T-Minus producing the song, then tell us about that source. Binksternet (talk) 19:07, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Can someone create the page for me

Hi I am not proficient in coding and the Wikipedia formatting on creating a page for a celebrity. He is being confused with Beyonce's father Mathew Knowles where my client's name is Matthew Knowles with two 't's . There is no Wikipedia page on him and I tried to create one but it was rejected. Is there a service to create the page or an editor through Wikipedia who can look into creating a page for him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashleyalv (talk • contribs) 19:19, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

• @Ashleyalv: Because you are working for Knowles, you must disclose your employer on your user page per WP:PAID. Also, because you have a conflict of interest, you should not directly edit an article about Knowles. "Coding" has absolutely nothing to do with why your draft was rejected.

If you're going to write an article about anyone or anything, here are the steps you should follow:

1) Choose a topic whose notability is attested by discussions of it in several reliable independent sources.

2) Gather as many professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources you can find.

3) Focus on just the ones that are not dependent upon or affiliated with the subject, but still specifically about the subject and providing in-depth coverage (not passing mentions). If you do not have at least three such sources, the subject is not yet notable and trying to write an article at this point will only fail.

4) Summarize those sources from step 2, adding citations at the end of them. You'll want to do this in a program with little/no formatting, like Microsoft Notepad or Notepad++, and not in something like Microsoft Word or LibreOffice Writer. Be sure to write in such a way that someone who hates the subject can still agree with the basic facts.

5) Combine overlapping summaries (without arriving at new statements that no individual source supports) where possible, repeating citations as needed.

6) Paraphrase the whole thing just to be extra sure you've avoided any copyright violations or plagiarism.

7) Use the Article wizard to post this draft and wait for approval.

Doing something besides those steps typically results in the article not being approved, or even in its deletion. Ian.thomson (talk) 19:24, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Can you request that Wikipedia make a page for someone

Am I able to submit the name and information of a celebrity where the editors of wikipedia can create a page for him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashleyalv (talk • contribs) 19:44, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Ashleyalv. You can submit a request at Requested articles. But you need to be aware that Wikipedia is a volunteer project, and people work on what they choose to work on, so there's no guarantee anybody will pick up your request. If you search out some solid, reliable, indepedent, sources (nothing published by the celebrity or their associates; nothing based on a press release or interview with them; nothing on social media, blogs, forums, wikis, iMDB; but places where people unconnected with the subject have chosen to write about them at some length, and been published by a reputable publisher), that may make the request more attractive. On the other hand, if you look for such sources and you can't find any, then the chances are the person is not notable in the special way Wikipedia uses that word, and no article is possible at present --ColinFine (talk) 20:37, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Your problem (after you properly address PAID and COI), is that many articles about Mathew Knowles misspell his name as "Matthew Knowles" (the name of your client). Anyone attempting an article on Matthew Knowles - the actor - would have to ignore all that and find appropriate publications to use as citations. IMBd does not count. Even this [2] does not count because it is an interview. What is needed is articles about MK. David notMD (talk) 20:56, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Problem

I have an iPhone and I like to read a lot of sports articles in the summer to get over the hump of boringness til fall. Usually, I will “add to home screen” certain Wikipedia articles to read them later and when I click on them they will send me directly back to the page I was previously on. As of recently (about 2 weeks ago) everytime I’ve tried to make a new shortcut for “add to home screen” whenever I click back on it, it will send me to the “featured article” of the day, but I want it to go back to the article not something I do not care for, any ideas on how to fix this, would be greatly appreciated! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1005:B127:299B:3133:C01F:7AF2:D07D (talk) 04:20, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello. I hope someone else will be able to give you better help than I can. Meanwhile, though, I have an iPhone too so if you can describe the steps you are taking before you choose "Add to home screen," perhaps I can follow along and see if I can guess what's going wrong. Which browser are you using? Are you viewing the Wikipedia website in Mobile version, or Desktop version? (Or the Wikipedia app, but I don't see "Add to Home Screen" as an option from the app.) How do you find these articles you like (that is, on what pages do you find the links that take you to pages you like?) - Egmonster (talk) 21:30, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Question about the review of Draft:Civil Aviation Passenger Service Evaluation

Hello Teahouse!! my draft of Civil Aviation Passenger Service EvaluationDraft:Civil_Aviation_Passenger_Service_Evaluation has been waiting for review more than two weeks, I saw the volume of submissions for review is always increasing, and there is still no change for my draft. So, I am afraid of endless waiting. Do you know any AfC reviewers who can review Chinese references? Or, are there any ways to make it reviewed as soon as possible? By the way, if there is nothing I can do just wait, how long does it take at most？ Looking forward to your early reply. Thank you!

Constance wu (talk) 02:03, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your question here in the Teahouse. I've taken a look at your article and believe that it has been created for promotional reasons. If this is true, you probably won't get much help in getting it reviewed. Are you part of this company or service? If you are in anyway connected to this topic/article then you have a conflict of interest and you should not create this article. Experienced editors are not very motivated to help with articles like this, so a better explanation of what you are trying to do would be helpful. Also, this appears to be the one and only article that you have worked on. This can indicate that you may be an editor who has only one purpose-publicize this organization. Best Regards, Barbara ✐  ✉ 21:39, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Article created as user page

Hi, what's the correct way to deal with this? [now at Draft:Khalid Mahmood (Pakistani Politician)] Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 09:05, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello Curb Safe Charmer and fancy meeting you here in the Teahouse!

There are two branches of response. The first branch is that a user page is not a proper place to develop article content and doing so violates user pages policy. The guidance to the user is that the page should be moved to a sandbox or draft and a proper user page created to replace the redirect that moving leaves behind. There's a warning template you could use: {{uw-userpage}}.

The other branch is to consider whether the user should be encouraged to submit the draft for AfC or be advised that it cannot be accepted. Of course, if it meets any speedy deletion criterion, such as being a copyright violation or too overly promotional, it should be tagged accordingly.

When, as appears to be the case here, the user has not submitted the draft, I would be inclined to stop at this stage, or at least wait a bit to see if there is some response to the advice. If you think the article is suitable for mainspace, that notability is established, then it would be appropriate to move the article to mainspace and request deletion of the inappropriate user page redirect left behind. A note to the contributor explaining what you've done should minimize any confusion. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:29, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

User name is same as the topic of the draft article. David notMD (talk) 13:58, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

David notMD A true observation, but as this often happens because a new editor believes they should use the name of the article they wish to create as their username, it is not automatically a sign of conflict-of-interest editing. It's a topic I would take up with the user later. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:42, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

@Curb Safe Charmer: Looking again at this draft, which I see you have moved to Draft:Khalid Mahmood (Pakistani Politician), some more problems emerge. There is an a existing article Khalid Mahmood (British politician) which this submission apparently had as an initial template, copied without attribution. Significant remnants of that article are still present. None of the references seem to be to a Pakistani politician, though Karachi has been substituted for Birmingham in some of the references' parameters. I'm beginning to suspect we cannot leave this page in its current state. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:23, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Forget to Log Out?

Will I be logged out automatically if I forget to log out?Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 21:41, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

@Thegooduser: - depends on whether or not you ticked the box to remain logged in. If not, then you should have been logged out. (This is not a guarantee, but seems to be the pattern for me). Stormy clouds (talk) 22:32, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

starting a link

i couldn't find a link for conscious masculinity. an idea that i think represents an emergent view of what it means to be male today? and toxic masculinity can create reactionary responses. i feel if this concept of conscious masculinity, the integration of both stereotypical female and male qualities. the conscious man is a compassionate man, for instance — Preceding unsigned comment added by G0ph33rR (talk • contribs) 00:56, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Toxic masculinity is an existing article. Conscious masculinity was blanked when I wrote this reply because the created article was suspected of being in copyright violation (since deleted). If there is enough source material on the second topic, it could become an article. David notMD (talk) 01:03, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Created a new article

Hi All,

I created a new article with title "List of India national football team hat-tricks". It's link is [[3]]. I have ensured to conform by the rules and regulations of Wikipedia while creating the article. I would like other editors to review my article. Also, while searching my article by the title name in google, the search results do not display my article. However, if I search for titles like "List of Croatia national football team hat-tricks" or "List of Phillipines national football team hat-tricks", google search results' first entry contains the exact wikipedia page with that title name. While, all the three articles aforementioned articles belong to the same wikipedia category why google search doesn't find my article? Please help if I need to do more with my article.

Regards, Dipanjan Datta DipanjanDatta1974 (talk) 14:19, 16 July 2018 (UTC)DipanjanDatta1974

@DipanjanDatta1974: - search engine like Google use algorithms to determine primary search results. While Wikipedia articles often rise to the top of this, they are not guaranteed to do so. Generally, new articles will take time to become the top result, so give it a while. However, you can ensure that the article is easy to find by including suitable WP:LINKS to the article. So, just wait a while, and keep developing the article. It is already marked as a featured list (I can't find the log, but I assume you are aware of it), so keep up the good work. The article is in a good place currently. Hope this helps, Stormy clouds (talk) 16:06, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

@Stormy clouds: - Thanks for your suggestions. I will try to incorporate them in my newly created article.

DipanjanDatta1974 (talk) 19:58, 16 July 2018 (UTC)DipanjanDatta1974

DipanjanDatta1974 I also like to see content that I create in Wikipedia appear on the Google search page. One thing that I have noticed is that an article that shows up in Google usually has to be longer than a stub. As soon as you improve the article and it contains more information, you may see the article appear on Google. Please keep adding referenced content to Wikipedia, we love our new contributors. Best Regards, Barbara ✐  ✉ 21:53, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Barbara (WVS) Thanks for your suggestion. I do intend to add more reference material to my article; one thing I have on my mind is to add some images of the prominent persons mentioned in the article. It will be very kind of you if you can point to any article in wikipedia about how to use images and from what kind of source such images can be procured. Also, is it OK to use images of a person from another wikipedia article or do I need to get prior permission for that? By the way, today, I am seeing that google search is displaying my wikipedia article at the top of the results. :) Thanks Again for your kind support. Regards, Dipanjan Datta DipanjanDatta1974 (talk) 09:41, 17 July 2018 (UTC)DipanjanDatta1974

DipanjanDatta1974 thanks for coming back to the Teahouse to ask more great questions. I am glad you got to see your article appear on a Google search-I find it quite rewarding myself. About images/photos - those who take the photos and create the images 'own' those images. In a lot of cases, when an image appears in an article, the creator/photographer has given permission for its reuse. Be careful though, sometimes an image can only be used in one place and under the circumstances called free-use rationale. Your safest bet is to only upload images/photos onto Wikipedia that you take yourself. Editors are always discussing the use of images in a variety of places on Wikipedia and I don't even understand the complexities of reusing images. If you find an image on the internet-just don't use it. Getting permission to use someone else's image on WP is also complicated and something I personally don't have the patience to pursue. Other editors have a lot of experience in this area and might just chime in here. Thanks for being in the Teahouse again! Best Regards, Barbara ✐  ✉ 21:25, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Barbara (WVS) Thanks for taking the pain to elaborate on the various complexities of using images. Also, I really appreciate that you reviewed my article. I will try to add more references to my article as you had suggested in your earlier post. Regards, DipanjanDatta1974 (talk) 07:46, 18 July 2018 (UTC)DipanjanDatta1974

Article about a Business

Hi, this is Payal from India. I am willing to create a page on a company called Bounce which is a two wheeler rental company. however that page was tagged for deletion saying it was related to promotional stuff. But similar pages like Uber, Meru cabs pages are still on Wikipedia. Kindly suggest a solution. Thanks in Advance — Preceding unsigned comment added by Payal Bhansali (talk • contribs) 04:42, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

• @Payal Bhansali: Assuming no error from the deleting admin, your draft was speedily deleted because of the style - it was written in purely promotional style and would have needed a complete rewrite to be of encyclopedic value. The existing articles you cited do not have this problem.

However, another issue you should be aware of before writing another version is that you need to demonstrate the company's "notability". In Wikipedia's meaning of the term, this means references to third-party reliable sources that deal with the subject at length; if such do not exist, do not bother writing the article, it would be rejected/deleted every time. Our article about Uber currently contains 566 references, most of which reliable newspaper articles focused on Uber as a topic and not paid for by the company, so notability is assured; I just proposed the deletion of our article about Meru Cabs, precisely because references do not show that; in any case, "other stuff exists" is never a good argument on Wikipedia. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 08:10, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Please help me.

So, school is tommorow, but I have just created an article. Can someone help me to clean up the article (assess it, fixing the grammars and typos, errors, consistency of words in the article, inter-article wikilinking, etc)? A help would be highly appreciated. Thanks!--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 08:08, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Welcome back to the Teahouse, Jeromi Mikhael. Do you have sources for the paragraph starting "The lyrics of the anthems heavily resembles the anthem of the Soviet Union..."? It sounds a bit like original research to me, but then I don't know the subject well. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:27, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry:Done. I've added the references for that. Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 08:30, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Edited History to past tense. Curious, was this a homework assignment? David notMD (talk) 12:05, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

@David notMD and Marchjuly: No! What happened is that I'm requesting this article to be edited, because I'm fearing of lack of time because of my school project, not that Balgariyo mila is a school project! @Marchjuly: And yes, this article passes the WP:N because it is the anthem of a country for 13 years! And what, do you think four references isn't enough?--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 07:56, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Please don't use WP:ALLCAPS because it makes it seem as either (1) you're angry, (2) you're shouting, or (3) you're both angry and shouting. The Teahouse is a friendly place where editors try to one another as best as they can. For what it's worth, once you add something to the mainspace, it's fair game for anyone to edit at anytime; so, I've asked at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Bulgaria#Balgariyo mila about the article to see if the editors belonging to Wikipedia:WikiProject Bulgaria can help you out since they should know more about the anthem. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:08, 18 July 2018 (UTC); [Post edited by Marchjuly to strikethrough content no longer applicable since Jeromi Mikhael went back a removed the "AllCAPS". -- 12:01, 18 July 2018 (UTC)]

@Marchjuly: Sorry, I think you would propose this article to WP:AFD. Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 08:16, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Jeromi - From your contributions, it looks like you have been creating or improving articles on all of Bulgaria'a national anthems, which I consider an admirable effort. I am sure that editors who have participated in Wikipedia:WikiProject Bulgaria can add their expertise. I consider MarchJuly's intent as helpful, not critical. Here in the U.S. we like to think that "The Star-Spangled Banner" has been our national anthem 'forever', but actually that became official in 1931. Prior to that year, "Hail, Columbia", "My Country, 'Tis of Thee", and "America the Beautiful" vied for the role. David notMD (talk) 09:47, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Reliable Sources

Okey I wasn't aware that you have to add a reliable source before publishing an edited article... But I don't know how to add a reliable source to an article... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocky333God (talk • contribs) 13:47, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

@Rocky333God: Hi and welcome to the Teahouse! Before you edit any articles here I would like you to do the following:

• Read our guide for identifying reliable sources.
• Learn how to add a proper citation to an article. You can read WP:CS, WP:REFB, Help:Referencing for beginners with citation templates.
• Read WP:BLP and WP:V. These two are important guidelines and policies.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask here, at the help desk or on my talk page. Happy editing! ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 15:12, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Need help with Wikipedia entries

I'm hoping someone can help me figure out why my entries from March and April aren't appearing on Wikipedia yet. I'm thinking I've missed a step or something. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Angie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alaskaartrocks (talk • contribs) 18:54, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

@Alaskaartrocks: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your edits were in your sandbox, which is not article space. You need to formally submit it for review, but I would encourage you to not do so yet; please review the notability guidelines for artists at WP:NARTIST, and you may also find reading Your First Article helpful. 331dot (talk) 19:29, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Why my account was deleted

I made a profile with a small online business of mine. This person called cahk made it deleted. And why the fuck he did so I don't know. Please help with this guys. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.211.2.98 (talk) 11:42, July 18, 2018‎ (UTC)

It would help if you supply a link to your account.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 11:51, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not social media. It is not about 'profiles.' It is not a place to promote a business. IF your business is large and important and notable to the point that other people - not you - have written articles about it in reputable publications such as national newspapers and magazines, then and only then would your business be a valid topic. Lastly, but no less importantly, given that it is your business, see WP:PAID. - David notMD (talk) 13:40, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

And also read WP:CIVIL too - X201 (talk) 19:36, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Newspaper

How do I Start my own Wikipedia Newspaper?--Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 21:50, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

@Thegooduser: - I am unsure what exactly you are referring to. The "Wikipedia Newspaper" is the Signpost, and you can ask to contribute to it here. The editor of the Signpost is Kudpung, who will judge any work submitted for publication. As for starting your own paper, I would suggest working on the long-running Signpost instead. Stormy clouds (talk) 22:18, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Citing from a Museum

Hello! So, I've been looking for an online reference for a detail I would like to add to the Warren Mott High School page (the detail in question being that it was formed from the merger of two pre-existing schools), and while I wasn't able to find any sources online that held any credibility and were also easily accessible, I did find a credible source offline.

The Historical Society of Warren runs a museum of sorts about the city's history out of one of the former high schools that was merged to create WMHS (which has since been converted into a city operated community center), and I recently visited it. Since the museum resides in the former high school, it had a section out on it and its history, where it mentions that Warren High (the high school in question) and another high school were merged to create Warren Mott in the 90s. Now, I think that a section of a museum run by the Historical Society of the city that Warren Mott resides in would likely have no issues with credibility, but I have no idea how I should go about citing it on Wikipedia. So... Are there any tips you can give me on this, or have I reached another dead end? Finchwidget (talk) 03:53, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Finchwidget. There is no requirement that a reference be available online. For example, you could use a local weekly newspaper article. You should provide full bibiographic details, and perhaps a quote from the most relevant sentence or two. The problem with museum exhibits is that the exhibit might be removed. Unless a catalog of that exhibit was published, the content then could not be verified, and that violates policy. Newspapers are kept in libraries so claims can be verified. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:43, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Finchwidget! Glad to see you at the Teahouse. My suggestion would be to talk to one of the curators or docents at the museum and ask if they have built a file on the construction of the exhibit. There might be some published documents you could use there. John from Idegon (talk) 05:31, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Save Page

Hi there,

I´m currently writing an article in Sandbox mode. The template sandbox box says that I can save the page by pressing the "save page" button. However there is no button. How do I make sure I don´t delete everything when closing my browser?

Thanks in advance

Troajan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Troajan (talk • contribs) 06:47, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

@Troajan: welcome to the Teahouse. The template has not been updated, unfortunately - the button is now called "Publish changes", so if you click that one your sandbox content will be saved. There is no autosave, so closing a window without clicking "publish" will discard the text. --bonadea contributions talk 06:52, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Troajan. The software has recently (actually, not so recently now, but it seems that documentation is still catching up in places) been changed so that the save button is now labelled "Publish page". Cordless Larry (talk) 06:53, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Ah I see. Thank you for the quick answer :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Troajan (talk • contribs) 06:55, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

@Troajan: I've put in an edit request on the {{User sandbox}} template to fix the text that referred to the old button label "Save page". This change had already been made to the {{Userspace draft}} template. As we track down the places where the old label occurs, we'll eventually get them fixed, but reports like yours are very helpful in moving the process along. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:35, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

How to move from Sandbox to Wikipedia

Hi All, I created an article in my Sandbox and want some advice on how I can move it to Wikipedia. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cleveranalyst (talk • contribs) 11:24, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

@Cleveranalyst: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The short answer is that you should not do so at this time. Your draft appears to have no independent reliable sources whatsoever. In order for a subject to merit an article on Wikipedia, it must have in depth coverage in independent reliable sources, that indicates how it is notable as Wikipedia defines notability. From viewing your draft and seeing your username, I would wonder if you are the originator of the methodology you wrote about. Please also see Your First Article for more information on what is being looked for. 331dot (talk) 11:29, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi 331dot, I am not the originator of the methodology. This methodology is patent pending and I am a user of it which I find to be innovative and wanted to share it with the public. As technology continues to evolve, there are allot to knowledge and innovation which we all should be aware off. Please advise if there is anything I needed to amend, perhaps I can get the patent number and add it as a reference? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cleveranalyst (talk • contribs) 11:54, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

The patent number will not help to establish that the subject is notable. If the subject has not been discussed in reliable published source, then it doesn't warrant a Wikipedia article. Maproom (talk) 11:59, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

@Cleveranalyst: Please understand that Wikipedia is not for merely sharing information. As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia only summarizes what independent reliable sources state about a subject; that is, what sources not associated with the subject have chosen to write about it. This methodology will need to have been written about in such sources with in depth coverage in order to merit an article here. The patent will not help as a reference. If you just want to tell the world about this, social media or a blog would better serve your purposes. 331dot (talk) 12:01, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Check on activity

It appears that User:User:5a1amm60 is removing links to other languages in many articles without explanation. Could someone check to see whether these edits are appropriate? HopsonRoad (talk) 11:21, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi HopsonRoad, links to similar articles in other language Wikipedias are now handled by Wikidata, so removing them from articles is indeed correct. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:33, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Not correct to remove valid links if they don't exist in Wikidata. There are, of course, situations in which Wikidata can't cope, because of its limitation to one-to-one mapping. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:40, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, David Biddulph. The links that I saw removed were legitimate and their removal left the article unlinked to the appropriate other-language article. The removals were made without edit comments. HopsonRoad (talk) 13:23, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Screenrant

Hi there. I have to ask that is screenrant a reliable source? DCEU (talk) 12:58, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Last evidence I can find is that it was considered as situational. Although that's a few years ago. Best place to ask is at WT:FILM - X201 (talk) 13:32, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Edits are subjected to reversion most of the times.

Salam every one! I want to ask you guyz why edits are subjected to reversion by fellow Wikipedians without specifying reasons for it? I've added info to the infoboxes of some pages regarding their alma mater n occupation etc. I haven't added any controversial info nor do it was for any promotional purpose but still it was subjected to reversion. It was pretty discouraging for me as a new Wikipedian. Kindly explain this to me??? (UsamaAhmadKhan 17:58, 19 July 2018 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saamikhan01 (talk • contribs)

Hello, Saamikhan01. Ideally, editors will always give a reason for reverting, in their edit summary - you can see this by looking at the history of the article (sometimes they don't but this is the exception, and if that happens it is reasonable for you to ask them on their User Talk page). So, for example, if you look at the history of NA-13 (Mansehra-I), you'll see that SheriffIsInTown reverted one of your edits with the comment "Unnecessary change based on original research of current scenario", and Jibran1998 reverted another with the comment "The reason your edit was reversed because you did not include references". You may or may not agree with their reasons, but you can't say they didn't give any. Please note that reverting edits is a normal part of how Wikipedia achieves consensus, and how new editors learn how Wikipedia works: please read WP:BOLD. --ColinFine (talk) 19:16, 19 July 2018 (UTC)