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User WP template data

Some templates that use User WP, such as User WP Computing and User WP Politics, don't have any of the template parameter values on that page. Others, like User WP Ancient Egypt, do.

Where are the TemplateData values stored for those former templates? Tule-hog (talk) 01:15, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

There is a specific context to my question, but I am also just interested. Tule-hog (talk) 01:36, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Tule-hog, it's not quite clear what you're asking about – none of these templates have TemplateData, but all of them document their available parameters. Rummskartoffel 17:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Hm, perhaps I'm using the terminology wrong.

To give a specific example, notice how Computing and Politics do not have the file name for their photo included on the main template. I am wondering where that data is. Tule-hog (talk) 17:08, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

I suspect you are referring to the Template documentation. Ideally, whoever implements a template will write the documentation, listing and explaining all the available arguments; but that doesn't always happen.

All those templates are instantiations of Template:User WP, which does document several arguments (no idea whether the documentation is complete). ColinFine (talk) 17:30, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

I am referring to the raw source code of Template:User WP Computing and Template:User WP Politics (and similar), i.e. what shows up after clicking 'edit source'.

I understand that Template:User WP has arguments, which I was able to use easily here. However, the first two templates linked do not have argument parameters in their source code. I am wondering where those are. Tule-hog (talk) 17:33, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

{{User WP Computing}} calls {{User WP}} with computing as its first positional parameter. {{User WP}} calls {{User WP/switch}} where computing is not found so the template invokes Module:Portal. In the data modules supporting Module:Portal, computing is found to be an alias of information technology at line 187; the image for information technology is specified at line 69. Politics is not aliased; its image is specified line 74.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 18:27, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, this is exactly what I was looking for. A potential extension to this question would be where the category is stored - currently there is a stray category in the raw source of {{User WP Computing}} that is not properly affected by the nocat= parameter. Tule-hog (talk) 21:51, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm not going to spend any more time on this except to note the difference between these two lines from {{User WP}}:

|usercategory = {{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|User|{{{ucat|{{User WP/switch|{{{1}}}|ucat}}}}}}}
|usercategory2 = {{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|User|{{User WP/switch|{{{1}}}|ucat2}}}}

I'm not really sure what the intent is here. I'll leave it to someone else to noodle out.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 22:58, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

How to view my XfD record

Hello! I'm an experienced editor around here, but I have a question about how to access a tool I've seen in the past.

In past RfAs I've looked through, I sometimes notice people bringing up the nominee's XfD record (that is, whether they generally align with the consensus on whether or not to delete). How can I see my own XfD voting record?

Thanks in advance! BhamBoi (talk) 02:55, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

This may be the tool you are looking for: [[1]] Netherzone (talk) 02:58, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that's what I was looking for, and wow, my stats aren't too good! Guess that's my inclusionist side coming through.

Thanks for the link, Netherzone. BhamBoi (talk) 03:02, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Just a question: @BhamBoi: in what way did you decide your stats "aren't too good"? I appreciate you were probably joking but I can't tell what kind of stats you think would be "bad" or "good" in such a case. When I was active on AfD (years ago) I'd often only step-in and comment where my opinion was in conflict with the developing consensus. And it's not wrong to have such an opinion even if the close doesn't go your way. I couldn't see that I was bringing much to the party if I was just piling-on a consensus which had already formed - but equally struggle to see why someone should be criticised if they did. AndyJones (talk) 12:53, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

I was mostly just kidding, I just noticed that I generally err from what the consensus is; as you said, I tend to step in more when I think I have a shot at providing evidence to "save" the article. But I'm not sure how a record that doesn't generally align with agreeing with consensus would be viewed within the community at large... BhamBoi (talk) 14:55, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

@BhamBoi, if you are interested in "saving" articles, another way to do that is to improve the article if you can find independent, secondary reliable sources to help establish notability and add those to articles. Non-notable subjects should be deleted, but if an article can be improved based on verifiable sources, it helps improve the encyclopedia. Netherzone (talk) 15:11, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

I’m aware, I’m just a really strong inclusionist which doesn’t seem to be a very mainstream sentiment. BhamBoi (talk) 15:27, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

User scripts

Hi, I heard that some user scripts can be used to automatically generate articles. Which ones are those? How do I use them? Ogundareibrahim123 (talk) 04:09, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

There are automatic scripts, sometimes known as "wizards". But they only do the routine stuff. A human user still has to do the hard work of finding acceptable sources and summarising what they say. Maproom (talk) 15:36, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

New draft content submitted for approval - subject: Kirill Richter

I have submitted draft content for review. Please can you confirm receipt? Here it is for reference.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Kirill_Richter Allthecats1 (talk) 11:18, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

This isn't currently submitted for review, and it is nowhere near suitability as an article because it is poorly written and sourced. See your first article.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 12:18, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Woodbridge High School

Woodbridge High School in Woodford, London used to have its own page, however it appears to have disappeared (it now just has a circular link to the page about Woodford) and I was wondering why? The other local schools all have pages. Reapingmd (talk) 12:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

This was redirected in May 2024 as it did seem to have problems with WP:NSCHOOL. It isn't possible to guarantee that every school can have a separate article unless there is significant sourcing.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 12:24, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Reapingmd, AlphaBetaGamma did away with it, largely because very little of what it said came with references to reliable sources independent of the school itself, and this didn't seem likely to be much improved. -- Hoary (talk) 12:31, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Unless those other local schools have been independently written about, it's quite likely that their articles should also be deleted (or turned into redirects). Wikipedia has thousands and thousands of articles which shouldn't exist in their current form, and many of them shouldn't exist at all (because their subjects are not notable in Wikipedia's special sense). But this being a volunteer project, people don't often go through these and improve or delete them. See other stuff exists. ColinFine (talk) 17:33, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Reverting a reverting edit

Because of edit wars, I can't revert removal of an articles content, what should I do? If you need the page, it's Leron, Leron Sinta. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 12:29, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

On Talk:Leron, Leron Sinta, propose the restitution of this content. -- Hoary (talk) 12:32, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Is it correct? 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 12:38, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

I mean the proposal. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 12:40, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

The proposal, Talk:Leron, Leron Sinta#Per WP:HD, probably should have been more explicit about what revisions you want to undo or otherwise the text you wish to add/remove.

For the content itself, it appears the editor that reverted you has been blocked for "indiscriminate mass reverting", so I think you're in the clear for restoring any or all of the content they removed/changed without worries about edit warring at this point (if there are additional reverts, perhaps let other editors revert them first and then continue your work expanding the article) (and their warning against you as clearly not in good faith). (I would have reverted their unexplained content removal if it was still technically possible to do a clean revert.) Skynxnex (talk) 13:16, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

to install a software

attain: CAN SOMEONE HELP ME TO INSTALL my Microsoftware? I tried several ways and it is asking to buy one, I already bought it and it doesn't allow me to install it, pleas can someone help me? THANKS 2607:FEA8:581F:E700:9C69:B13A:46E:335F (talk) 13:18, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, this isn't a general help desk. I would suggest contacting Microsoft for assistance with their software. 331dot (talk) 13:19, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

What is the law of apartheid

Laws during apartheid In 1948 and 1960 41.121.59.8 (talk) 16:30, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Did you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? Your question is probably better suited to the reference desk. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:37, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

... or see Apartheid.   Maproom (talk) 17:01, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

kml template

Just to mention that Template:kml isn't working. The issue has been pointed out on Template talk:GeoGroup but has not been picked up and I'm not sure where the issue lies or who is responsible for looking into it. Shantavira|^{feed me} 18:37, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Now resolved (not by me!) -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 21:06, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

wikipedia funding

Don't the state department and nsa and CIA etc etc deep state contribute and or censor content on here? I think thats pretty well established by anyone who isn't a numb nut. So why don't you hit them up for funding like meta/ facebook or alphabet/ google. 100.37.166.201 (talk) 20:26, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia editors are not involved with fundraising. That is handled by the Wikimedia Foundation. Anyone can edit Wikipedia as long as they follow our policies and guidelines. Wikipedia is not censored. Cullen328 (talk) 20:33, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Dump Sorting

Hi, I am wondering if there is a way to download a wikipedia file for all featured articles, another for a-class articles, another for b-class, and so on. I’m not exactly talking about sorting while in a wikipedia dump, though if that is the only option, I could use help navigating that process as well. I would like to have the differentiated files for the b-class and above as an archive and the c-class and below as an easier way for myself to use to see what articles need the most work and to help edit. Thanks. MiniMikeRM (talk) 22:42, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi MiniMikeRM! Are you interested in downloading a list of the articles (maybe each as a link for easy access to read and edit each) or downloading the actual articles themselves? Both are doable, former probably easier than the latter (and maybe even easier to have it on-wiki?). DMacks (talk) 22:51, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

@MiniMikeRM One relatively simple way to start would be to look at the maintenance (hidden) category Category:Featured articles from where you would have various download options. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:38, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

For at least the b-class and above, I would like to have all the articles rather than a simple list, do to the function being more of a viewable archive that I can use as a source. For the C-class and below I would still rather have a file for each class with all of the articles, still rather than a list, due to the fact that It would be easier for me to access and possibly edit the articles needing maintenance, even when offline. MiniMikeRM (talk) 22:15, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

@MiniMikeRM It isn't clear to me what you are trying to achieve but one useful spreadsheet-friendly database dump is available at WikiProject Cleanup Listings. Note the very first item on featured articles. These listings are based on cleanup tags in articles. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:49, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I will check that out 2603:6010:C600:5460:2D23:D227:16C6:4A89 (talk) 04:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, but I still don’t know how to download each class of articles (Featured, Good, A, B, C, D, Start, and Stub). The goal is to have these as individual files as an archive of sorts. MiniMikeRM (talk) 19:55, 13 August 2024 (UTC)