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July 29

Can't get a (redirected from) link

If I go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPad, I reach the iPad article. If I go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ipad, I should be taken to the same place, and I should get a little (Redirected from Ipad) notice. However, this message is not appearing. It's as if the titles are identical, or as if titles aren't case-sensitive. The only way to get this message is to go to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ipad, by going to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=IPad&action=history, tweaking the URL, and clicking the "Article" tab.

What's going on? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebay displays the "redirected from" notice, so it's probably not related to the first letter of the title being lowercased. It's not a single bad browser, because the same things happen in Edge and Chrome. 123.51.107.94 (talk) 04:32, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

The first letter - only - is case insensitive. iPad and IPad are different ways to write links to the same page (the full article). Ipad and ipad are the same redirect to that article. ipAd is right out. —Cryptic 07:01, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

I have tested your link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ipad in Firefox, Edge, Chrome and Opera. All of them display "(Redirected from Ipad)" at the top as they should. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:28, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

hi im new to wikipedia

hello, i think i just created my first article for wikipedia, when i did it, i did it from the TALLER part, and i published it, does that mean i actually created the page? I dont know how i am supposed to know if i have to make changes or something? and i dont know how to start another article? Success Coach LIZ (talk) 06:23, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

@Success Coach LIZ: Well, "publish" just means that you saved the text and it's publicly visible, for those who happen to look there. But the curious thing is what's shown at Special:Contributions/Success Coach LIZ. The only "contributions" (that is, edits which you have saved) is Wikipedia:Help desk. To me, that means that you weren't logged in under the username of "Success Coach LIZ".

Perhaps you published without having logged in, i.e. as an IP editor. Since we don't know your IP address and you didn't give the name of the article (never mind whether you saved it to "sandbox" or saved it under your "User" (e.g. your IP address), there's not much way to figure out what you've done. Ok, that's my take on it, maybe somebody else has better mindreading skills. Fabrickator (talk) 06:52, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

i appreciate the guidance a lot! The article was about Ingeniera Elizabeth Coto Chinchilla, an industrial engineer recently discovered to have been the first woman in the field. I apologyze for not specifying the details before Success Coach LIZ (talk) 07:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

In Costa Rica that is Success Coach LIZ (talk) 07:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Success Coach LIZ. This is the English Wikipedia. It looks as if your article was started on the Spanish Wikipedia here. Once your article there is ready, you'll want to move it from your user space to the main (Principal) space. gobonobo ^{+ c} 07:53, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

This is so confusing to me! Crazy new world! Any video links i can watch.to.get.it done? Much appreciated Success Coach LIZ (talk) 08:25, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

@Success Coach LIZ: I don't know about video links. If you go to your draft article, you may be able to select 'Trasladar' from the right hand menu. Then change the new title to Elizabeth Coto Chinchilla and set the prefix to (Principal). Otherwise, there are instructions for creating a new page at Ayuda:Cómo empezar una página or you could ask for help at the Café. gobonobo ^{+ c} 08:42, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

@Success Coach LIZ You may find something you like here: Category:Wikipedia video tutorials. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:48, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

If you tried to create that article on English Wikipedia (even in English) it would have no chance of being accepted, because it has no citations to independent sources. Furthermore, it appears to be an autobiography, which is strongly discouraged here.

Spanish Wikipedia may have different policies, but I doubt whether they are different enough to make that CV acceptable. ColinFine (talk) 13:34, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

i wish i was so successful with that career, but no, unfortunately this is not me. It is a publick figure in Costa Rica. But thanks! On the other hand, i certainly am not over 60 and plan to stay young for much longer hahhahah, However in your answer i did not see any recommendations about WHERE i can check if the page is online or not? or how long does it take to be online? thanks Success Coach LIZ (talk) 16:49, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

It is 'online' in the sense that it can be linked to on the internet (as Gobonobo has above), but it is not a (Spanish) Wikipedia Article that could be found by someone googling (for example). In its current form it will never become an article, and anyway it has not been submitted for approval (to become an article) because it lacks the template to do so.

(1) You have created it on your (Spanish) User page. Such a page is for saying something about yourself as a Wikipedia editor, not for creating Drafts of articles: on English Wikipedia it would be deleted quite quickly. (Note that each language version of Wikipedia is independent of any other, and each one has its own rules, so I'm guessing about exactly what might be required on Spanish-language Wikipedia.) You will need to move it to a Draft or Sandbox page (or have someone do this for you).

(2) It has no references whatsoever. Everything in a Wikipedia article needs to be cited to a source so that readers can verify that what is written is corroborated by published material, not someone's private knowledge (or invention).

(3) To qualify, an article has to demonstrate the subject's notability, in Wikipedia's special jargon use of that term. To do so it needs to be based on at least three pieces of substantial length about (not by) the subject, that have been published by Reliable sources that are completely independent of the subject.

You have probably made the frequent newcomer's error of writing this piece WP:Backwards, saying what you personally know and then perhaps hoping to add references to confirm it all. This is like trying to build a house from the chimney down, finishing with the foundations: it's very difficult and rarely works!

Instead, you should gather published, independent Reliable sources (at least three to show Notability, but as many more as you can find), and create a Draft entirely based on summaries of what they say. Very minor and uncontentious facts only can be cited to non-independent sources. Wikipedia, as a Tertiary source, cannot use unpublished facts/personal knowledge, which amounts to Original research and is strictly disallowed.

Incidentally (and I am assuming this does not apply to you), writing an article about someone you have personal connections to is very much frowned upon (and about ones-self, even more so) because this creates a Conflict of interest and because it is very difficult for such a writer to maintain the WP:Neutral point of view that Wikipedia requires.

Once you have created a likely acceptable Draft, preferably by going through the Wikipedia:Articles for creation route, you will be able to submit it for approval (because it will have a button to do this). It may well be 'Declined' (most first drafts are) with comments by the reviewer explaining what aspects of it need to be improved: it may have to go through several rounds of this before finally gaining approval. It might also be 'Rejected', meaning "this subject will never qualify as notable, so please give up", but from what I can tell (I cannot actually read Spanish) your subject is likely to be thought potentially notable.

This may all seem difficult, but Wikipedia is not Social media, or a Directory, it is an Encyclopaedia (or rather a collection of encyclopaedias in in many languages) and has to maintain encyclopaedic standards. I hope all this helps. Good luck! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.67.235 (talk) 18:29, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Everything that 94.2.67.235 has written above is accurate, and I would like to add that this page may be helpful for you: es:Ayuda:Tutorial (referencias) Reconrabbit 18:40, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Acceptable to cite a source that is behind a paywall?

Hi, I'm currently editing the article for Tanjong Katong MRT Station and I have a good source for the process of constructing the station. However, the article is locked behind a subscription paywall? Is it still acceptable to cite it as a source? Imbluey2 (talk) 08:07, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Being behind a paywall doesn't disqualify it. 126.161.68.51 (talk) 08:12, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

But it does annoy the hell out of some of us. HiLo48 (talk) 08:17, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Haha thank you so much both of you! Imbluey2 (talk) 08:30, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

@Imbluey2 as long as a source passes WP:RS and verifiable to other users having access then no issues with paywall (see WP:PAYWALL).

Usually in doubt you approach WP:RSN for such guidance. As per WP:RSNP, seems, as long as news is Singapore non-political no issues with The Straits Times - but whenever political nature take guidance from WP:RSN.

Wikipedians can request help in access to paywalled content for updating wikipedia or verification at WP:REREQ

@HiLo48 Wikipedians can request verification help along with WP:REREQ also at WT:REFCHECK.

My view may have been tainted by the fact that I'm in Australia, and most paywalled sources we see are from Murdoch's NewsCorp. They are rarely truthful or objective. HiLo48 (talk) 08:47, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

The Age and the Sydney Morning Herald are paywalled, and not owned by Murdoch. Are they the reasons you say "most" instead of "all"? 123.51.107.94 (talk) 23:59, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Sadly The Age and SMH Are now part of the right wing Nine Entertainment conglomerate. It's as if there's a correlation between being right wing and being paywalled.HiLo48 (talk) 00:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Happy editing Bookku (talk) 08:41, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

When will this page be released please？

When will this page be released please？Draft:Tang Yihe Yhhwz (talk) 14:59, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Never, if you do not submit it for review. I have added a header which allows you to do so.

Note that a review may take anything from hours to months: there is not a queue, and volunteer reviewers choose which drafts they will review. ColinFine (talk) 15:29, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Yhhwz, is there some reason this needs to be hurried? I would note that the article itself is probably not going to be accepted as it is now. See WP:TONE/WP:NPOV regarding writing style. For the subject, see WP:ARTIST to help determine if this person should have an article at all (if so, more about the "notable" aspects needs to be added). Before you continue, I recommend answering this specific question: "do you have a conflict of interest...some real-world connection to this subject?" DMacks (talk) 03:16, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm having trouble imagining what sort of conflict of interest someone could have regarding an artist who died in 1944. AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:29, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

DMacks Yhhwz published the article in January and it was moved to draft by another editor as it needed improvement. They were warned recently that the draft would be deleted if it was inactive for 6 months, so it is a good thing that they are asking questions and getting advice. TSventon (talk) 03:42, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Gerry Adams

An error in the article about Gerry Adams (IRA). It says that the oireachtas is the parliament of Ireland. It is not. It is the parliament of the Republuc Of Ireland. Stormount is the parliament of Northern Ireland and the House Of Commons is the parluament of the UK which includes Northern Ireland. How do I report this error so that it gets corrected? 80.233.75.226 (talk) 18:26, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

I've changed it in this edit as it is more accurate. The Constitution of Ireland has jurisdiction only in the Republic of Ireland.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:53, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Craigslist

How do I talk to someone at craigslist 2601:200:4300:3920:D93A:D9F4:51E9:DD5A (talk) 21:40, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Via some method available on its website, I suppose. (It's unrelated to Wikipedia, which is where you are now.) -- Hoary (talk) 21:52, 29 July 2024 (UTC)