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Recent Columbus, Ohio, Monorail proposals

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so, I am wondering how I should go about editing an article about the transportation history of Columbus, Ohio, to include a group known as Greater Central Ohio Public Transit Project and their goals of seeing Monorail brought back as a consideration for the mass transit in the city. Their group exists on facebook only, however there was at one point a letter to the editor article written to the Columbus Dispatch by who appears to be the group founder. The current only way to access that particular article is through the Columbus Library system, however, so such link does not seem proper for the edit to the article. I tried editing the article but was only able to include the link to their official Facebook group, is that enough in this case? General Greenstar (talk) 00:01, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General Greenstar, for an article to be written about a subject, en:Wikipedia requires that the subject should be notable. It provides criteria for this. It's not necessary that every ingredient of an article is notable; however, there is an expectation that an ingredient isn't merely trivial. Now, the Greater Central Ohio Public Transit Project has an imposing name (and one that suggests worthy aims); however if (i) the GCOPTP "exists on facebook only" and (ii) you feel the need to point out that a person "who appears to be the group founder" at one point wrote a letter to the editor of Columbus Dispatch, I sense that showing that it rises above the trivial would require some desperate barrel-scraping. -- Hoary (talk) 05:35, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Columbus should consider using a monorail system, Columbus Dispatch, The (OH), January 27, 2020, p12B (columbuslibrary.org) this is the actual source from the Columbus Dispatch, it is only currently accessible if you are a Columbus Resident with a library card, but it does exist. General Greenstar (talk) 18:12, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mass-linking inside articles

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Hello! I've been trying to add wikilinks towards the article Highly Cited Researcher inside articles of researchers included in the program. I have been using FindLink, but adding the backlink to every article in the list is tedious.

Could someone automate something that links Highly Cited Researcher or highly cited researcher in all articles where it is not already wikilinked? BhamBoi (talk) 00:08, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There appear to be at least two competing programmes, the ISI highly cited researcher and the Clarivate Highly Cited Researchers program, so using a bot would not be a good idea. TSventon (talk) 00:22, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They are the same. A link to either is fine, though it's a redirect to a section, when the direct link to the Highly Cited Researchers program would be better. Thus, if the text "highly cited researcher" in an article is unlinked, it should be linked to one of these. BhamBoi (talk) 00:53, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know if this is something that WP:AWB could help with? (I've never used it myself). ColinFine (talk) 14:14, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neither have I. Should I ask on the talk page? BhamBoi (talk) 14:29, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You could add a request at WP:AWBTASKS. A Wikipedia search for "Highly Cited Researcher" finds 509 hits, presumably the same as FindLink, and a Wikipedia search for "Highly Cited Researchers" finds a different list of 516 hits, some of which are webometrics highly cited researchers. TSventon (talk) 14:31, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a AWB user, wouldn't be too bad, but I'm very concerned about the fact that there is nothing on the page being directed to that even mentions ISI.Naraht (talk) 14:47, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Clarivate owns the ISI, and in recent years has stopped branding the program under ISI and has just branded them as Web of Science or Clarivate Highly Cited Researchers. Calling them an ISI Highly Cited Researcher isn't incorrect, it's just what the same program was called a few years back, and linking to ISI or ISI Highly Cited will have a link to the main article. BhamBoi (talk) 15:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BhamBoi that's fair, but IMO, that needs to be shown (and referenced), on the page to be linked to.Naraht (talk) 18:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Help with Template:Collapse_top

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When setting width to less than 100%, the box always aligns to the center. float=left doesn't work. Pls change it.
So I'm trying to do this in an html table instead:

but my problem is that the header size isn't expanded to full width (from the beginning). If anyone could help me, I would appreciate. Emdosis (talk) 01:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Emdosis: From what I can see {{Collapse top}} does not have a "float" parameter. Can you please clarify what you are asking? RudolfRed (talk) 01:32, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Emdosis: the parameter is "left=yes". -Arch dude (talk) 15:09, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That aligns the text, not the box. Emdosis (talk) 18:22, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Emdosis: {{Collapse top}} is for talk page discussions and always adds margin: 0.2em auto auto; which centers it. I don't see a need to change that for collapsed discussions. I added min-width:36em; to your above table. Is that OK? If the content is larger than 36em then "show" will expand the heading to the right. If it's smaller than 36em then there will be some whitespace in the expanded box. 36em matches the current content for me and em sizes are more consistent than px or %. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:36, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's perfect thank you very much. I'll try out the margin parameters as well, thanks. Emdosis (talk) 12:41, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Edit: I don't know how to change the margins:
you could use this userbox
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{{Template:User wikipedia/wantOtter}}
 This user wants a WikiOtter.
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Emdosis (talk) 13:03, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Emdosis: Where do you want to do it? Some things shouldn't normally be done but you have more freedom in userspace. I think an override would need Wikipedia:TemplateStyles to for example add .mw-archivedtalk {margin: 0.2em !important;} in an associated page. You could also remove auto from the output with {{replace}} like this:
you could use this userbox
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{{Template:User wikipedia/wantOtter}}
 This user wants a WikiOtter.
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PrimeHunter (talk) 13:56, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand everything you said, but {{replace}} is perfect. Thanks for the help. Emdosis (talk) 15:31, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Information box

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How to create infoboxes in wikipedia? Thank you . Junurita (talk) 06:07, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Junurita, start at Help:Infobox. -- Hoary (talk) 08:23, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Junurita For many topics, infoboxes already exist and it is unlikely that you, as a newcomer, will need to create one from scratch. You just need to learn how to fill out the parameters in an existing one. Your recent-created new article at ethyl copper had a Chembox added by another editor. That's the standard infobox for chemicals. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:27, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia page about a person/ persons

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I have a few ideas to write about a few persons and their lives. Anil V Gokhale (talk) 09:11, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thanks for wanting to contribute. Writing a new article can be challenging, I would suggest first getting some experience by editing existing articles and using the new user tutorial. If you still want to dive right in to creating articles, you should use the article wizard to create and submit a draft. Make sure you have gathered independent reliable sources that provide significant coverage of the person you want to write about, sources that are not interviews/press releases/the like. You will also need to determine if the person is notable as Wikipedia defines it. 331dot (talk) 09:13, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Anil V Gokhale, adding to the above, see WP:BACKWARD. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:12, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Anil V Gokhale: Welcome to Wikipedia. Don't. Just don't. At the risk of sounding off-putting, creating a complete, fully-fledged article on any subject on Wikipedia can take many painful (if rewarding) years, not days. Believe. Those who can perform a triple salchow, or fly a helicopter in instruments-only conditions, or scale the north face of the Matterhorn, face considerably fewer challenges than someone with a desire to write a WP article from scratch. Most experienced editors here would suggest that you concern yourself with relatively low-level details, perhaps adding to existing articles with reliable sources. Try Help:Getting started. I hope your time on WP will be positive and fruitful, but there is a huge learning curve to be overcome. WP looks easy, but it really isn't. MinorProphet (talk) 09:40, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Copying templates from other language wikis.

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I know that if I translate an article from another language, that at some point the edit summary should include the specific version copied (for example copying https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Studentenverbindung&oldid=247056399 to English (yes, I know Studentenverbindung already exists in enwiki) is that also true for templates and template docs? Naraht (talk) 13:27, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think so, yes. They are also copyright materials licensed under CC-BY-SA, so copies or derivative works should be attributed. ColinFine (talk) 14:15, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK. I'll do that. I'm not sure templates *can* be used cross-wiki and even if they could, the parameters need to be translated.Naraht (talk) 14:36, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They can be, but often you need to transfer (and possibly translate) other templates or modules which they depend on as well. ColinFine (talk) 16:23, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think copying the one that I want and the second that it depends on is probably the way to go.Naraht (talk) 18:45, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Change a page name

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I want to change the name of the page "Club de Rugby Xerez Deportivo FC" to "Rugby Union Xerez" because it is its current name and the team disassociated itself from "Xerez Deportivo Futbol Club" years ago. SkyRugby (talk) 16:37, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @SkyRugby:! The best way to do this is to start an RM discussion by following the procedure at Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting a single page move. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 17:51, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've moved it to Rugby Unión Xerez, but yes, in the future, the better place for requests is what ModernDayTrilobite said. – macaddct1984 (talk | contribs) 18:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you @ModernDayTrilobite and @Macaddct1984. SkyRugby (talk) 18:07, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting Deletion of Wikipedia Page

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Requesting Deletion of Martha Mbugua's Wikipedia Page! Martha Mbugua She has personally requested for the page to be taken down but we are having quite the challenge on how to do that! Kindly assist! Moengadanie (talk) 17:51, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Moengadanie. Articles can be deleted only if the consensus is that the subject does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability: the subject's wishes are irrelevant (unless the decision on notability is very finely balanced).
However, looking at the article Martha Mbugua, I don't see that the sources present establish that she meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and a quick search did not find any better ones. I have therefore nominated the article for deletion: see WP:Articles for deletion/Martha Mbugua.
The deletion is not automatic: the discussion will stay open for at least a week, and anybody may contribute to it. It is possible that somebody will find some sources to establish Mbugua is notable in Wikipedia's sense, in which case the article will probably be kept.
If you choose to contribute to the discussion, please read the linked on the discussion page before doing so. As I explained above, the wishes of the subject are not normally relevant. ColinFine (talk) 18:09, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

REINSTATE MY WIKIPEDIA PAGE

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Hello,

I'm Teri McMinn and I played the character 'Pam', the second female lead in the 1974 film, THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE. When I was considering coming out of anonymity in 2008 and attending a horror convention, a young man asked me, "Teri, you know you're on Wikipedia, right?" I then asked, "What's Wikipedia?" He showed me my page in English, "Teri McMinn", and I believe they used the same bio info as my IMDB page bio. For the first time, I saw a picture of me on set, sitting on the porch steps, taken in August of 1973, 35 years earlier.

That Wiki page has disappeared, and I am no longer linked to the page when my name appears in the "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" Wiki page cast. My scenes are taught in film classes around the world. The person who created the page must have removed it for whatever reason. I found two other Teri McMinn pages, one in Portuguese and another in Russian. August 7-9 the entire cast, cinematographer, writer-producer, and others involved in the filming will celebrate our TCSM '74's 50th Anniversary, with a screening, and panels, at MoMA in New York City. This film is in the Film Archives of, The Academy Of Motion Pictures, The Smithsonian, and is considered a cult classic horror film. [1][2] Is it possible to have the former page on Wikipedia about me, "Teri McMinn", reinstated? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you and best regards,

Teri McMinn

[3] Pearlofagirl (talk) 19:52, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, there. You might want to take a look at WP:BLP, WP:N and WP:COI. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:01, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As a note, possible references for bringing back the article include
Not so, Naraht. Quoting WP:DAILYMAIL: the Daily Mail (including its online version, MailOnline) is generally unreliable, and its use as a reference is generally prohibited [...]. As a result, the Daily Mail should not be used for determining notability, nor should it be used as a source in articles. The Daily Mail has a "reputation for poor fact checking, sensationalism, and flat-out fabrication". (I am unfamiliar with slashfilm.com, and haven't looked at it.) -- Hoary (talk) 06:51, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hoary Good point. Also had a hit on a similar article on the us version of "the sun", but that hits similar situations as a source. (maybe https://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3505346/star-teri-mcminn-shares-texas-chain-saw-massacre-behind-scenes-photo-youve-probably-never-seen/ )Naraht (talk) 16:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article (later turned into a redirect) is here. (As for what, if anything, can be done about it, I'll leave the matter to others: unfortunately I'm in a rush.) -- Hoary (talk) 20:23, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you did have a Wikipedia article at one stage here, but it was redirected in May 2023 because the sourcing was not considered enough to meet the general notability guideline. Wikipedia is not like IMDb and cannot guarantee that every actor in every film and television show will have their own separate article.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 20:13, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Pearlofagirl@Hoary@Naraht, looking at archive.org and ProQuest, I might try recreating this one. It's a bit WP:ONEEVENT, but there is coverage over time. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:57, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Missed a ping:@Ianmacm. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:58, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Copied CS1 module language issues

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Hello, I hope this is an okay type of question to ask here. I copied the citation style 1 templates and modules from here over to another wiki, and it works mostly, but with other language sources it seems to treat the categories they get put in different. For instance if I have a source tagged as Danish it gets categorised as "CS1 dansk-language sources (da)", but on Wikipedia the category is named "CS1 Danish-language sources (da)", same goes for other languages including non-latin alphabet ones. I've searched through the modules and I can't find any issues in our copy, so I don't know if there's a module I'm missing or if its an internal Mediawiki thing I don't know about. Thanks! Ringtail Raider (talk) 22:15, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The correct place to ask this question is at Help talk:Citation Style 1. When you do, tell us which wiki you are having problems with.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 22:19, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was going to post it there but I was given this message" "Attention
Talk pages in this namespace are generally not watched by many users. Please consider visiting the Help desk for a more prompt response or reviewing the Help contents for quick tips." Ringtail Raider (talk) 22:27, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Really? Where, exactly, did you see that? Help talk:Citation Style 1 is the place to go for questions regarding the cs1|2 module suite.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 22:39, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Trappist the monk: That message shows up at the top of the talk page after entering edit mode for that page. RudolfRed (talk) 23:07, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I guess that I've seen it so often that I don't see it. No matter; Help talk:Citation Style 1 is still the place to go for questions regarding the cs1|2 module suite.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 23:09, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And that notice box is now suppressed.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 15:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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