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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 02:05, 24 December 2008 [1].

New York Rangers seasons edit

I've recently been trying to get the seasons lists of my four favorite sports teams featured, and this is the last one. After a complete overhaul, I think this meets FL standards. Please note that the red links in the second column will be taken care of during the course of this review, though I think the number of existing season articles is sufficient now. As before, I will be around to fix any problems that reviewers find. Giants2008 (17-14) 19:43, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from SRX

Comment - excellent list

  • In 81 completed seasons, the team has four Stanley Cup championships and has qualified for the playoffs 51 times. - it would read better if won was added before four--SRX 21:27, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Support - meets WP:WIAFL.--SRX 01:32, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
    • Support and question. I'd like to expand the New York Islanders seasons article, but I can't find any page that lists the conferences/divisions they were in...can you help me on my talk page? ayematthew ✡ 01:37, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Hold on, in the "Results" column, you need to fix the pipes links. For example, Conference Finals may be piped to 1988-89 NHL season#Stanley Cup Playoffs. The "P" in "Playoffs" needs to be lowercase in the links. Right now they don't work. ayematthew ✡ 16:33, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • This happened because I used the Rangers' first year as a guide for the other links. Naturally, that was the only one with playoffs capitalized. The rest of them are now lowercase where needed. Giants2008 (17-14) 20:29, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Resolved comments from -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24
    Comments
    • "...an American ice hockey team..." --> "...an American ice hockey franchise..."
    • "...in the Eastern Conference's Atlantic Division." --> "...in the Atlantic Division of the Eastern Conference."
      • Done, but I don't know if that's any better. Giants2008 (17-14) 19:43, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • "...Stanley Cup championships..." --> "...Stanley Cup championships..."
      • I don't normally like to use a bunch of links, but I made an exception in this case. Giants2008 (17-14) 19:43, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • "...the Rangers accumulated a team-record 112 points in 1993–94..." --> "...the Rangers accumulated a team-record of 112 points in the 1993–94 season..."
      • I went with "...the Rangers accumulated 112 points in the 1993–94 season, a team record,..." Giants2008 (17-14) 19:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • "...2008–09 season, New York has..." --> "...2008–09 season, the Rangers has..."
      • Did this, but used "have" for the plural nickname. Giants2008 (17-14) 19:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • "...the playoffs three..." --> "...the playoffs for three..."
      • Actually, I think "...the playoffs in three..." is better than both of the above, and I changed it to that. Giants2008 (17-14) 19:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I suggest a copy-edit.
    • "Mark Messier played 10 seasons for the Rangers and helped them win the Stanley Cup in 1994." Needs a reference.
    • There should be more categories that can be added into the article.
      • Surprisingly, there aren't. There isn't even an NHL team seasons category. The one category is the only one that really fits the article at the moment. Giants2008 (17-14) 19:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Easily fixed.;o) I've created a category for team seasons, and have populated it. Resolute 20:51, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 07:36, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Responded to all of the above, and am hoping that a copy-edit is coming. Giants2008 (17-14) 19:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    On my talk page, Dabomb87 said that he thinks a copy-edit isn't necessary in this case. Keeping that in mind, are there any other changes that you would recommend, and do you still think a copy-edit is needed? Giants2008 (17-14) 01:53, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    One more comment
    • Do you really need to put sub-titles for the references? Couldn't you just put ;General? -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 08:20, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Dabomb did this before I even saw this comment; my thanks go to him again. Giants2008 (17-14) 16:07, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support Like what Kaiser matias said, funny how you made the red link seasons to blue (but with a stub rating). Very nice work on the article. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 06:21, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support Looks good to me, complete and the data appears accurate according to my check. I did fix one confusing statement in the lead. Resolute 20:51, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:31, 19 December 2008 (UTC) [reply]
    Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

    Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs) Sorry for the delay, I have been busy...

    • "In 81 completed seasons, the team has won four Stanley Cup championships and has qualified for the playoffs 51 times." Comparative quantities should be spelled out the same ("four"-->4 or "51"-->fifty-one).
    • "The Rangers were founded in 1926, and won their first Stanley Cup title in 1928; the victory made them the first U.S.-based NHL franchise to win the Cup."-->The Rangers were founded in 1926, and won their first Stanley Cup title in 1928, making them the first U.S.-based NHL franchise to win the Cup.
    • "regular season games"-->regular-season games
    • "Thirteen years later, in 1991–92, "-->Thirteen years later, in the 1991–92 season...
    • Sources: What makes http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/display_standings.php?tmi=7089 a reliable source? Dabomb87 (talk) 23:40, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    I took care of all the prose comments; it's good to know that you don't think a major overhaul is needed. The Internet Hockey Database was recently declared reliable by Ealdgyth at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Tiny Thompson. If she gives it a thumbs-up, it's good enough for me. The rationale is in the FAC, and it was provided by yours truly. Giants2008 (17-14) 05:07, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Sources look good. Thanks for reminding me of Ealdgyth's cheatsheet, I need to add that to my list of useful links. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:31, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • Support Looks nice. Suprised at how fast aritcles for all 80+ seasons of the Rangers were created. Kaiser matias (talk) 05:42, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Comment Can you move the second image up or resize it. On my browser, the table is pushed to the left because of the image.—Chris! ct 21:45, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Now, the article looks kind of, well, bad. I suggest you just upright the image and put it back to the Key. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 22:26, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Moved it back and added the upright parameter. I've never done that before; please check to see if I did it right. Giants2008 (17-14) 22:32, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Support excellent list —Chris! ct 22:39, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support: Very well written; the only issue I have is that some numbers are spelt out (ie: fifty-one) while others are not (ie: 81), but this by no means harmed the prose in any way. Good job! – Nurmsook! talk... 23:28, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks! The "fifty-one" that you mentioned came as a result of a comment above by Dabomb87; his explanation is included in the comment. The other number higher than 10 that is spelled out ("Thirteen") begins a sentence. Giants2008 (17-14) 23:51, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yep, comparative quantities should be spelled out the same way. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:53, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Comments from Gonzo fan2007
    • "The New York Rangers are an American ice hockey franchise that compete in the National Hockey League (NHL)." I don't know if I am just reading the sentence wrong, but shouldn't it be "competes"?
    • Can you link all the seasons (i.e. "2007–08 season" to 2007-08 NHL season, etc.)? You did it once, but not the other 4 times. (This also applies to the "Notes" section.
    Gonzo fan2007, while you were away, somewhere in WP:MOS said not to wikilink the seasons unless they are spelled 2007–08 season or the whole article. P.S. I'm bad at explaining things. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 01:19, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Either way, consistency is needed. "1991–92 season" is linked, while the other 4 instances of seasons are not. Of course, follow the MOS if if prescribes one way over the other. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 01:23, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    As I said, you can do this: 1991–92 season, but you can't do this: 1991–92. Also, they are both different, so consistency doesn't matter for this case. -- signed by SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 spell my name backwards on 01:26, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Um ok, in the lead we have "2007–08 season", "1991–92 season", "1992–93 season", "1993–94 season", and "2008–09 season". Now I don't see any difference here, so why is 1991–92 season linked, and the others are not? « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 01:35, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    That is the question Giants2008 should answer, which I believe you were asking him. -- signed by SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 spell my name backwards on 01:40, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed :) « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 01:43, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Very well done. A few small fixes and I will be glad to support. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 01:08, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • The first one has been bugging me for a while now. I originally had it that way, but another editor (not a reviewer here) made it singular. I agree with you, so I changed it back. The link issue is more complicated. At first I didn't have any seasons linked in the lead, but Resolute added a link to one when clarifying a sentence. I've now changed it to having the first season link be the only one, while making it explicit like SRE.K.A.L's example. This is a method that Tony1 has been pushing for in an effort to reduce the number of unneeded links in lists. If you still want consistency, just say so and I'll dump that link too. The two links in the notes are for lockouts, not seasons; these have real value. I'd prefer to not have a dozen season links there in addition to those two. Glad to see you back from your break! Giants2008 (17-14) 01:47, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Support Makes sense to me. Keep it as it is now. And thanks, its nice to be back =D « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 01:51, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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