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List of best-selling Latin albums in the United States edit

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Nominator(s): Erick (talk) 02:27, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This list has been in the making for a long time. I originally had the list based on the RIAA certifications, but Billboard has come out with an actual bestselling Latin albums in the US of all-time last month (which can be found here and it thoroughly sourced in the list). The article was peer reviewed by A Thousand Doors, who made List of best-selling albums in the United Kingdom a FL and is the basis for this article, and Esprit15d who made significant improvements to the article as well. I look forward to your feedback, thanks! Erick (talk) 02:27, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from BeatlesLedTV (talk) 17:28, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
;Comments from BeatlesLedTV
  • In the photograph caption, "self-titled album released in 1997 is" → "self-titled album, released in 1997, is".
  • Any chance you could get more pictures of possibly the artists? I feel it could be enhanced if there was. If not it's no big deal.
  • Key needs scope rows per MOS:DTAB.
  • Period at the end of note a, b, and e.

That's all I got. Great job! BeatlesLedTV (talk) 20:33, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@BeatlesLedTV: Thanks for your feedback. I believe I have addressed everything you brought up except for the periods at the end of note a, b, and c. The periods were removed per A Thousand Doors's comment on the PR as they are not complete sentences. Erick (talk) 13:31, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Ah that makes sense. Everything looks good to me. I got no other comments or concerns. Great job! BeatlesLedTV (talk) 17:28, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Hameltion (talk, contribs) 21:32, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Hameltion
  • Link Luis Miguel in lead?
  • "The latter record" is a little ambiguous (could mean "world record" or "album")
  • "Me Estoy Enamorando and Vuelve by Alejandro Fernández and Ricky Martin" has the word "respectively" far away
  • "(Latin field)" doesn't explain what it means to say the clearest way
  • "Maná is the act with the most entries on the list, with four albums"
  • For Dreaming of You, lead says 3,500,000 and table says 2,942,000 sales
  • I agree with BeatlesLedTV that it could use some images

The table's really great; nice list. --Hameltion (talk, contribs) 01:54, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Hameltion: Thanks for your review, I believe I have addressed everything you have brought up. Regarding Dreaming of You, the 3.5 million figure is for units shipped while the 2.9 million are the actual sales. As mentioned in the opening of the third paragraph, the RIAA certifications were based units sold to retails, not the consumers. Erick (talk) 13:34, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 16:57, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "Luis Miguel was the first Latin artist to have two albums certified platinum". Rewrite this to "The first Latin artist to have two albums certified platinum was Luis Miguel" so that who was the first Latin artist is the subject of the sentence.
  • "Me Estoy Enamorando and Vuelve by Alejandro Fernández and Ricky Martin". This almost sounds like Fernández and Martin collaborated together on two albums, so I'd suggest rewriting it to "Me Estoy Enamorando by Alejandro Fernández and Vuelve by Ricky Martin".
  • Personally, I don't think that the images improve the article, as (on my screen, at least) they squash the eight columns of the table toegether, but if the consensus is to have them then they're not something that I'd oppose over. But, if you are going to have them, WP:CAP states not to have captions longer than three lines where possible, so trim down the one for Shakira.

Thanks, A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 19:20, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@A Thousand Doors: Thanks for your review, I believe I've addressed the issues you brought up. For the image of Shakira, I shortened to the best I could, but it still has four lines. Is it fine? Erick (talk) 05:11, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe it's just me, but the caption is still showing as six lines on my screen. I really don't think it needs to say anymore than, for example, "Colombian singer Shakira has three of the best-selling Latin albums in the US." A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:18, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@A Thousand Doors: Got it. I went ahead and changed the caption to the one you suggested. Erick (talk) 13:33, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Title is albums, lead sentence is records... be precise.
  • "recorded in Spanish" I would be explicit and say "in the Spanish language".
  • "sold more than " vs " sold over" - be consistent, I'd stick with the former.
  • "music departments at electronics and department stores" repeat of "department" is jarring.
  • " awarded by the RIAA,[9] who began awarding" ditto for "awarded/awarding".
  • "Fijación Oral Vol. 1 " is missing a comma.
  • "was certified 11×" in prose I'd prefer to see "eleven times"...
  • "highest-certified album" I would think that should be "most-certified"?
  • I think somewhere you need to state that this list encompasses only the top 25 best-selling albums. Some people might create a similar list based on 500k+ sales or minimum certifications, and I think what I'm seeing here is just the top 25 based on sales alone, right?
  • Suddenly I'm seeing note [b] which says "Since September 7, 1992[4]", so this is best sales of the top 25 from the last 25 years. This isn't covered in the lead at all.
  • Certification column doesn't sort correctly.
  • Note [b] also raises questions over number 25 in the chart, El Hijo del Pueblo which didn't chart at all (apparently) and was release 18 months before the inclusion date specified by the note. It asks questions that should be answered somewhere in the article.
  • Sony Discos is linked to two different targets.

That's my lot. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:01, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: Thanks for your review TRM. I believe I have addressed most of the issues you brought up. Regarding the certifications, they are based on the numerical value of the certifications by the RIAA. As for El Hijo del Pueblo, the article where the list comes from does not address this and I've searched through Billboard's archives to see if maybe there's any article about it since its release in '91 and found nothing. I did add in the prose that Nielsen SoundScan began tracking sales in the US in '91 which is also the year El Hijo del Pueblo came out, although I understand that doesn't explain why Billboard added it to their list. I can only speculate that those are the sales of the album since September 1992, but that's it. Erick (talk) 12:56, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Certification col still isn't sorting properly... The Rambling Man (talk) 13:01, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: Could you explain please? I am confused. Erick (talk) 13:06, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It should sort from the lowest certification (Gold) to the highest (59x Plat), it currently does not. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:08, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: It's working on my end. If you're referring to El Hijo del Pueblo being first, it's because 2x Disco de platino was for 200,000 at the time it was certified (before December 2013 as mentioned at the footnote at the certification key) which is below standard Gold (500,000). Erick (talk) 13:12, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I get that (a note would be handy there too), but I get 6x and 8x Plat between Gold and Plat... ( ... 18, 20, 14, 15, 2, 3 ...) when sorted in ascending order... The Rambling Man (talk) 13:18, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hang on. I get it now. Ignore me. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:19, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with source review, promoting. --PresN 16:15, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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