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Gotham TV Award for Outstanding Performance in a Drama Series

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It's hard to decide if I will draftify this article but this feels like it's too soon to have the a standalone article. The award and the 1st edition of the award itself is notable but this specific category as of now, seems no notable. Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 05:06, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also nominating this article for the same reason:

Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 05:08, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pak Chol-ryong

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 04:36, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kye Song-hyok

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 04:34, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sarem k khazaei

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Falls WP:GNG The draft is Draft:Sarem K Khazaei. Youtube and Google not Reliable 🌀TyphoonAmpil🌀 (💬 - 📝) 04:11, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cañapa Lake

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Only one source, not enough to meet the general notability guideline. And the source does not have the lake as its primary topic and hence is not SIGCOV. Stanley Joseph Wilkins (talk) 04:07, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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K13AV-D

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Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 03:25, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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WSJP-LD

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Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV, Fox affiliation notwithstanding. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 03:24, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Central Illinois' On-Line Broadcast Museum

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Fails WP:GNG; written like an advertisement. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 00:21, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – includes references and suitable information, needs to settle down rather than have instant dismissal. —Jonathan Bowen (talk) 14:32, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:NORG with no WP:SIGCOV for the museum. Each of the sources is about its founder Doug Quick, with (at most) a glancing mention of the fact that he founded this organization. The closest we get is this local radio story, but even that is mostly about Quick with just a couple WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS of the museum. I'd suggest a redirect to Doug Quick but that page already redirects here. If someone wants to create that page so I can change my !vote, please ping me but otherwise I'm left with "delete." Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:30, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can work on converting the Doug Quick page to his bio and make a museum section and then merge this with the new Doug Quick Page, if you think this would work. BuffaloBob (talk) 18:46, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sammi Brie: Your take? Mvcg66b3r (talk) 19:14, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A Doug Quick article with a redirect of Central Illinois' On-Line Broadcast Museum to a section in this would seem to be a possible solution. —Jonathan Bowen (talk) 14:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am working on your recommendation and will be posting the “new” Doug Quick article shortly, then I will return here to request your consensus. BuffaloBob (talk) 03:11, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Needs lotsa clean up, but meets WP:GNG per Jonathan Bowen's argument. SBKSPP (talk) 01:10, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SBKSPP What are the references that you and @Jpbowen think provide WP:SIGCOV? They are all the definition of “trivial mention.” Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:25, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per Dclemens1971. Fails WP:NORG. SBKSPP, why did you vote "Keep, meets GNG per Jonathan Bowen's argument", when Jonathan Bowen did not mention GNG once in their comment? Please provide some sources that offer significant coverage if you're going to vote to keep. C F A 💬 03:49, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Siebel Scholars

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Insufficient referencing to demonstrate notability. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 02:56, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments - First, there are several websites with text almost identical to this article, but I can't tell whether the WP article is WP:COPYVIO or a case of citogenesis: (1), (2), (3).

The article needs to be revised to resolve the possible copyvio problem.

Second, there are sources that could be used in an overhaul effort for this article:

Third, there are multiple listings by college, annually, naming scholarship awardees at the various institutions, with descriptions of the award, which colud provide in depth, reliable sources to revise the article.

Last, perhaps the best solution to the problem of potential copyvio might be to draftify this article, and rebuild it from secondary, reliable sources. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 17:53, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A copyvio is unlikely. Looking through the article's history, the current version developed slowly over time. Here is the copyvio comparison for your link no. 1. It's blatantly obvious (and also kinda funny) that they just copied text from Wikipedia and made some minor changes to disguise it ("29" -> "various", "selected" -> "chosen", "on the basis of" -> "based on"). The comparison tool doesn't work for the other two links, but they're dated so we can look at the latest revision before they were published. For both no. 2 and no. 3, the text was already there. So the copyright concerns are baseless and the article should definitely not be draftified. --Un assiolo (talk) 19:19, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: There is a list of potential sources here, though it seems they are all from universities involved with the programme. --Un assiolo (talk) 19:25, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Thomas Siebel#Philanthropy. I looked for sources and all I could find were press releases and content promoting the scholars on the websites of their colleges and universities; none of these are independent coverage. It's a WP:GNG fail, but as an AtD we can redirect to the discussion of the founding donor's philanthropy in his bio. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:07, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jeju Islamic Cultural Center

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No claim to notability. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 03:08, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jia Rizivi

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Semi-advertorialized article about a filmmaker, not properly referenced as passing inclusion criteria for filmmakers.
The attempted notability claim here is an unreferenced list of minor awards from small-fry film festivals whose awards are not instant notability clinchers -- WP:NFILM is looking for Oscars, Canadian Screen Awards, BAFTAs or major film festivals on the order of Cannes, Berlin or TIFF whose awards get broadly reported by the media as news, not just any film festival that exists -- but apart from two hits of "local woman does stuff" in her own hometown media (and a New York Times hit that tangentially verifies the existence of a podcast that she was not involved in creating, and thus is not about her in any GNG-contributing sense), this is otherwise referenced entirely to primary and unreliable sources that are not support for notability at all.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt her from having to have a stronger notability claim, and better sourcing for it, than this. Bearcat (talk) 18:32, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: Article was at a misspelling of her name: I moved it to Jia Rizvi (as on her website and in other sources), then realised one isn't supposed to move an article during an AfD and moved it back again. So as I type it is at the wrong title. PamD
Note also: most sources refer to her as Jia Wertz, but her own web page uses Rizvi. PamD 09:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: there seem to be enough articles about her as film-maker. It was a badly-written article but I've cleaned up some of the problems - use of forename, curly quotes, lack of links, overlinks, etc. PamD 09:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And bizarre system of reference names too: "one" etc. Have fixed the most-re-used. PamD 10:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. She doesn’t seem to pass WP:NDIRECTOR but the Calgary Herald and GlobalNews profiles are sufficient SIGCOV for this to clear WP:GNG. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:TOOSOON. She’s won some accolades in smaller film festivals, but not the bigger ones like Cannes (which actually isn’t that difficult to get into). Right now, the sourcing isn’t up to the level we usually expect from significant coverage. Bearian (talk) 02:10, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Miranda (engine)

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Article on a rocket engine under development which has no proven notability as it does not yet exist. Clear case of WP:TOOSOON. As part of WP:NPP it was draftified for improvement, for instance waiting until it has proven to be viable. Novice editor removed tags, moved back to main and made comments that violate politeness code. This article and approach is inappropriate for Wikipedia. Since the editor has rejected draftification, deletion now is the approach. If the motor ever works and becomes useful, then and only then would it be appropriate for Wikipedia. Ldm1954 (talk) 01:51, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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N.B., this page used to be a redirect to a short description in the Firefly Aerospace page. Within that page it can be OK; however creating a new article by replacing a redirect must pass the same bar as the creation of any new page. Ldm1954 (talk) 01:57, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Gwang-sok

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 01:46, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Abdulkarim Fardan

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Airnav.com

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I can't seem to find any WP:SIGCOV and there is no clear reason why this is a notable website. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 00:59, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: The article itself has no reference. I cannot find any sources talk about it, only WP:PASSINGMENTIONS Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 01:17, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: It is very heavily cited (see Google books, Google scholar). There is a page of coverage here and a paragraph of coverage here. I imagine there is more so I suggest participants take a good look at Google books for significant coverage. C F A 💬 02:14, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Ellis Hicks

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Wikipedia is WP:NOTGENEALOGY, and simply being a knight is hardly sufficient for WP:BIO. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:18, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Not encyclopedic content. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 01:56, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per nom. If anything, speedy delete for no credible claim of significance. C F A 💬 02:49, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I encourage everyone to check this forum post Microplastic Consumer (talk) 03:26, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jim Dukhovny

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Biography of a CEO of a company, Alef Aeronautics, which is developing a 'flying car'. The article fails to demonstrate that Dukhovny himself, rather than the company and its proposed project, is notable by Wikipedia criteria. The sourcing (some of which looks questionable) consists entirely of articles discussing the project, and of interviews with Dukhovny - interviews are of course not independent of the subject, and thus cannot be used to demonstrate notability. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:04, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Alef Aeronautics: since that is what he is known for. Fails WP:NBASIC. Interviews do not count towards notability. All other coverage focuses on the company and only offers trivial mentions of Dukhovny. C F A 💬 02:54, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Cyber Security by country

Propose merging Category:Cyber Security by country to Category:Computer security by country
Propose renaming Category:Cyber Security in India to Category:Computer security in India
Propose renaming Category:Cyber Security in Italy to Category:Computer security in Italy
Propose renaming Category:Cyber Security in Pakistan to Category:Computer security in Pakistan

Nominator's rationale: Merge to existing category to match Computer security. AusLondonder (talk) 22:05, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support as long as the child cats are renamed/merged. Mason (talk) 01:49, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom, obvious duplicate. The subcategories have been listed as well. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 20:13, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that! AusLondonder (talk) 03:49, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Smasongarrison and Marcocapelle: Thoughts on renaming? (And Mason, apologies for the repeated pings tonight :D) House Blaster (talk • he/they) 03:34, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lol, no worries. Support renaming the subcats. Mason (talk) 03:36, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support renaming the subcategories too, for consistency. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Vehicle simulation MOGs

Propose merging Category:Vehicle simulation MOGs to Category:Multiplayer vehicle operation games

Nominator's rationale: A very similar category already exists. The desired category for merging is for practically the same thing. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 05:00, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose. As the originator of both categories, "multiplayer vehicle operation games" is actually the category that is more specific.

here is its specific role : A category for any video game, arcade game, or board game in which multiple players are able to each operate a different control station or weapon station on the same vehicle at the same time.,the category for vehicle simulation MOGs is more generic, as it is simply any multiplayer games where players play the game by operating a vehicle, i.e. rather than controlling an in-game persona. --Sm8900 (talk) 02:09, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge or reverse merge, the difference is too subtle to keep them apart. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:39, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
it is entirely different. in "multiplayer vehicle operation games," you and other players would be at separate stations on the same vehicle. Whereas "Vehicle simulation MOGs" includes any and all games where each player has their own jet fighter, or tank,or other vehicle, and is trying to shoot other players. Sm8900 (talk) 19:38, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Experimental science

Propose deleting Category:Comparative science (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Experimental biology (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Experimental science (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Non-defining/redundant. (All these categories have been made by the same user.) For bio the category is Unhelpful for navigation, this category contains 1 topic, a journal, and an organization. The working assumption in biology is that they're doing experiments. Mason (talk) 19:44, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At least delete Category:Experimental science: redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:16, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:People from Jagiroad District

Propose renaming Category:People from Jagiroad District to Category:People from Jagiroad

Nominator's rationale: The Wikipedia category should be renamed from "People from Jagiroad district" to "People from Jagiroad" because Jagiroad is not a district but a town in Assam, India. Saurabh^{Talk} 03:12, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just delete, the only article in the category does not contain any information about where the subject lived or lives. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle: Does He has been elected in Assam Legislative Assembly election […] from Jagiroad constituency not imply that? jlwoodwa (talk) 06:18, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- No, unless Jagiroad is the only populated place in the constituency. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:22, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  @Marcocapelle Jagiroad is actually the most populated town in the constituency, and it's also the second most populated area in the district after the district headquarters. It's often considered a sub-division of the district due to its size and importance. Besides being a major transport hub, it's also an industrial area with significant establishments like the Hindustan Paper Mill and the Tata Semiconductor Assembly and Testing Facility. Saurabh^{Talk} 17:22, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the phrase does imply that he was elected from the Jagiroad constituency in the Assam Legislative Assembly election. Categorizing this information can help clarify these details and provide a more comprehensive understanding of the subject.
However, we can also use "Jagiroad" instead of "People from Jagiroad," which will provide broader coverage. Saurabh^{Talk} 14:54, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He is in three Assam MLAs categories and a political party category, that seems to suffice. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:48, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Scientists with secret work

Propose deleting Category:Scientists with secret work (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Scientific secrecy (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Non-defining categories. The only non-occupation page is for an organization not defined by Scientific secrecy. Mason (talk) 19:29, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At least delete Category:Scientific secrecy: the only article is not about that topic. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:18, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Mass shootings involving armed citizens

Propose deleting Category:Mass shootings involving armed citizens (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: I'm not sure if this should be renamed, as armed citizens seems like a POV title, or outright deleted as non-defining. User:Namiba 14:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:58, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. POV and not-defining. Are there mass shootings perpetrated by unarmed people? Or wait, is this supposed to be shootings where someone was armed at all? regardless, delete. Mason (talk) 03:59, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep for context, this refers to incidents where someone where someone who was not the police went after the perpetrator with a weapon, armed citizen here is referring to the person who tried to stop them and not the perp. For a few of these incidents in this cat this is actually quite defining and discussed, but I don't care enough to argue this. In either case I do not think it is POV; armed citizens is the usual title for this kind of thing in the sources. PARAKANYAA (talk) 19:25, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as creator This has been a major topic of discussion in the American gun control debate, and there are plenty of sources talking about it (just search "mass shootings armed citizens". I think it is a defining characteristic for some shootings (New Life Church, Greenwood, Sutherland Springs, Cetinje for an international example; there are plenty of sources discussing the armed citizens' roles in those attacks). The cat can be removed from the others if you want. It's also not POV, I guess we can change it to "Mass shootings involving defensive gun use" if you want.Also Mason please look at the category page and take 5 seconds to read the description before you comment anything. Thank you. Lettlre (talk) 22:09, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I read the category. @Lettlre My point was that the name was not clear. Mason (talk) 19:33, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm on the fence about whether to keep or delete. However, if kept, it needs renaming because the current name is unclear, both because it could refer to the shooter and because citizen generally refers to someone with citizenship, which is obviously unconnected to this topic. Perhaps something like Category:Mass shootings involving armed civilian defenders, though I don't like the word "defender" but I'm unsure what else to suggest. Mclay1 (talk) 02:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:LGBT YouTube celebrities

Propose deleting Category:LGBT YouTube celebrities (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Not a helpful redirect, considering that the start of both this category and its target is "LGBT YouTube". Delete it. House Blaster (talk • he/they) 02:48, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The category was moved to Category:LGBT YouTubers nearly a decade ago, I don't have a problem with deleting this. AusLondonder (talk) 03:26, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not quite sure I understand the rationale though, it was only in existence as a result of a move. AusLondonder (talk) 04:00, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, nom is right that redirects that only deviate from the target at the very end of the search term are entirely redundant. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:43, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:This TV affiliates

Propose deleting Category:This TV affiliates (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Empty category (network defunct) Mvcg66b3r (talk) 02:46, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Post-Classical Chinese philosophers

Propose merging Category:Post-Classical Chinese philosophers to Category:Philosophers by Imperial Chinese dynasty‎

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. Post-classical is vague and unclearly defined Mason (talk) 02:45, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Canadian women designers

Propose merging Category:Canadian women designers to Category:Canadian women artists
Propose merging Category:Swedish women designers to Category:Swedish women artists

Nominator's rationale: Merge per EGRS and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_December_3#Category:Women_designers Mason (talk) 23:27, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't the subcategories be nominated too? Shouldn't it be a dual merge? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What are you suggesting that the subcategories need to be nominated for? All of them are in established "X by nationality" trees with dozens upon dozens of siblings for other countries, with no discernible reason why Canada should be uniquely excluded from established trees, so why would they need to be deleted? Bearcat (talk) 17:31, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If the nominated category is a case of WP:OCEGRS then surely its subcategories too. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:38, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If Category:Women fashion designers and its Category:Women fashion designers by nationality subcategory, with 76 countries represented in it, are not a problem, then Canada's category for that cannot be a special standalone problem if the rest of that tree isn't. If Category:Women architects and its Category:Women architects by nationality subcategory, with 72 countries represented in it, are not a problem, then Canada's category for that cannot be a special standalone problem if the rest of that tree isn't. And on and so forth. Bearcat (talk) 14:01, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did not intend to nominate the subcategories, just this level per the discussion. Mason (talk) 02:47, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk • he/they) 02:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:First-person shooter multiplayer online games

Propose splitting Category:First-person shooter multiplayer online games to Category:First-person shooters and Category:Multiplayer online games

Nominator's rationale: This is a though one, but there are multiple reasons why this long-lasting category might not be as defining as everyone has once thought.

FPSMOGs are not a legitimate sub-genre of first-person shooters, while MMOFPSs considered one and Wikipedia has their own article on it. More importantly, most games in the FPS genre as whole will have online multiplayer, making it even more non-defining. This category isn't an entirely non-diffusing category and is also one of the only categories at the moment combing a genre and multiplayer online games.

This merge may make navigation harder, both the MOGs and FPS categories will contain 35-45 more articles, and that's okay. And besides not every single title that would fit into this category has been added here anyway.

For the subcategories we will instead replace the MMOFPSs category with category:Multiplayer online games and category:First-person shooters by series. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:03, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Not mentioned at target, but apparently lots of mentions elsewhere. Additionally, there are Cormyr: A Novel and Cormyr: The Tearing of the Weave. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:38, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sharindlar

Sharindlar → Forgotten Realms#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hakiyah

Hakiyah → Forgotten Realms#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:28, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jisan

Jisan → Forgotten Realms#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target, but there are Jisan station, Jisan Valley Rock Festival, Numbers_(South_Korean_TV_series)#Jisan_Bank and potentially others. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Najm (Forgotten Realms)

Najm (Forgotten Realms) → Forgotten Realms#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target; I'm unable to find any suitable alternative. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:25, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zann (Forgotten Realms)

Zann (Forgotten Realms) → Forgotten Realms#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target and I don't think anywhere else on the English Wikipedia apart from Zann. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:24, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bala (Forgotten Realms)

Bala (Forgotten Realms) → Forgotten Realms#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target; I'm unable to find any suitable alternative. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:22, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vataqatal

Vataqatal → Forgotten Realms#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:20, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vartha Do'Urden

Vartha Do'Urden → Forgotten Realms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention anywhere on the English Wikipedia (unless this is somehow related to Drizzt Do'Urden?). 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:20, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marco Volo: Departure

Marco Volo: Departure → Forgotten Realms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Marco Volo: Journey → Forgotten Realms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Marco Volo: Arrival → Forgotten Realms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The Sword of the Dales → Forgotten Realms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The Secret of Spiderhaunt → Forgotten Realms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. Listed at List of Forgotten Realms modules and sourcebooks, but entries there are linked (and the list contains a decent number of red links). 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:12, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Asper (Forgotten Realms)

Asper (Forgotten Realms) → Forgotten Realms#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:09, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chondath

Chondath → Forgotten Realms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. Potential alternatives are Faerûn, The Vilhon Reach, and Old Empires. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:07, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kraken (D&D)

Kraken (D&D) → Kraken (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Kraken (Dungeons & Dragons) → Monsters in Dungeons & Dragons (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The Kraken (D&D) → Forgotten Realms#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The Kraken (Dungeons & Dragons) → Forgotten Realms#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The Kraken (Dungeons and Dragons) → Forgotten Realms#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The Kraken (Forgotten Realms) → Forgotten Realms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at any of the targets. Listed at Kraken_(disambiguation)#Video_and_role_playing_games and might otherwise occur in some passing mentions. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 00:54, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Consulting my Monster Manual, Krakens are definitely a thing in D&D, but I'm not sure if they merit inclusion in Monsters in Dungeons & Dragons. Cremastra (talk) 01:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cowled Wizards

Cowled Wizards → Forgotten Realms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. Some mentions at Baldur's Gate and Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 00:50, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ibrandul

Ibrandul → Forgotten Realms#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 00:47, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Iyachtu Xvim

Iyachtu Xvim → Forgotten Realms#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention of "Iyachtu" anywhere on the English Wikipedia. "Xvim" gets a passing mention at Halls of the High King and is listed at List of Dungeons & Dragons 3rd edition monsters. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 00:46, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eshowdow

Eshowdow → Forgotten Realms#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 00:44, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gargauth

Gargauth → Forgotten Realms#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 00:42, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This is linked to from Devil (Dungeons & Dragons), albeit piped to "Gargoth". No opinion on deletion, just wanted to share that there is presently one mention on the site. 🔹Blue (talk/contribs) 01:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amaunator

Amaunator → Forgotten Realms#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. Gets some passing mentions at The Sundering. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 00:41, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Not a notable enough skating competition to warrant a navigation box. Bgsu98 (Talk) 04:12, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yet another collection of random somewhat related comic book articles. The main subject of this navbox, Gorilla City, is a redirect and not that notable, while many of the links are only partially related characters, plus comics and media the location appeared in, as well as random links to similar gorilla-related works (and Obama due to some comic events). There is already Category:Gorilla City which sufficiently organizes the most relevant content for this. Trailblazer101 (talk) 02:28, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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User:MarkusKing130

Copy of Formula E. Flounder fillet (talk) 04:07, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Ujfjfjikdlsj7

Text dump copy of Għallis Tower. Flounder fillet (talk) 04:03, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Wywyit/sandbox/FIRST Steamworks

WP:COPIES from FIRST Stronghold, 2017-01. Paradoctor (talk) 03:59, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Whit3Mamba10

Copy of List of equipment of the French Army. Flounder fillet (talk) 03:43, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion review

Maria Antònia Mínguez

Procedurally, this was a bad close, regardless of the outcome. As the AfD nominator, I do not feel a need to relist, but I do feel that the irregularities and some concerning factors about the close should be reviewed.

The AfD was closed as keep. The closer had previously relisted for more input, and the only input after this was a reasoned !vote for a non-keep outcome.
The close gave no reason or explanation for the decision.
1. No reason is bad form, and worse when the article being XfD'd is a BLP with additional copyvio and privacy concerns, which were also not acknowledged in the close.
The close suggested having effectively the same discussion at the article talkpage; if the closer believed this was the best course of action, then "no consensus" is surely the close decision that would be taken.
When challenged on the lack of reasoning in the close decision, the closer gave reasons which I find not only unconvincing, but somewhat concerning:
1. Admitting to merely vote-counting. Besides ignoring the quality of reasons and policy adherence, this is particularly bad when there are only a handful of !votes, including some qualified or with no reason.
2. Suggesting that they have bias towards a certain user's opinion. The user in question was the main advocate for keep, the decision the closer took. Kingsif (talk) 00:40, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: after being notified, the closer is currently passive-agressively deleting drafts I (and only I) created. Kingsif (talk) 00:55, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see how you got vote counting from my statement I saw more support for Keep than Delete or Redirect. Maybe I didn't word this correctly but the support I meant was reading the arguments, not just counting votes. As for my alleged "bias", it was because I stated to Kingsif on my User talk page that I respect the opinions of all of the editors arguing to Keep, especially Cielquiparle who typically works to improve sourcing on articles whose AFDs they participates in.. I don't think that indicates that I'll close a discussion however Cielquiparle votes (I'm sure we have disagreed plenty of times), just that I respected their opinion. I think it's unrealistic to expect that a closer doesn't pay any attention to whom is voicing an argument, that we are "editor-blind". There are editors whose opinion I respect on sports topics or business topics because they regularly offer solid arguments. Cunard digs up sources that no one else can locate, Cielquiparle usually improves an article during an AFD. I take some editors' arguments more seriously than an IP editor who just showed up to express an opinion. If I get some flak for that, well I don't know how to ignore that some editors are very competent and reliable and I take their opinions seriously. It doesn't mean I didn't take the opinions of other editors in the discussion seriously, Kingsif asked me to justify my closure and I thought it best to be honest.
As for your drafts, they are eligible for CSD G13, if you look at the date of the last human edit, I delete CSD G13s all day long, it has nothing to do with this inquiry. A head's up, Draft:List of winning streaks in volleyball is due for CSD G13 in the next hour. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:15, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I know the drafts are eligible for G13, something a bot usually handles. If you can honestly deny that this didn't inspire you to look into the draft dump pile for anything with my name on it, I'll strike that, but I checked to see if you were just on a regular deletion spree and you weren't.

I would challenge your assertion that Cielquiparle is very competent and reliable based on the "improvements" they made to the article and the sources/comments on sources they presented during the AfD, but we're not here to discuss the competency of other users - so I will just challenge that while closers cannot be expected to be assessing like some blank slate, they should not be (as you honestly, which, thanks, are) elevating one opinion above others because of who made it, when the other opinions may in themselves be equally or more valid. If a closer is going to effectively trust one user's take on something rather than assessing for themselves, that creates a massive judgement issue. Additionally, I didn't mean to suggest you would just close in line with Cielquiparle, but that you very much admitted that you respect their opinions more than you do others, and that can create bias.

Of course, I was concerned enough with points 1 through 3 initially that I asked for an explanation, and I feel that what you provided was neither satisfactory in addressing the whole AfD (indeed, still no comments on source quality, on notability policy, on copyvio), nor did it indicate why there was no initial close reason. Kingsif (talk) 02:48, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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