User talk:Shyamal/archive17

A fellow Bangalorean

Looks like User:Muhammad Mahdi Karim is in your town. AshLin (talk) 14:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Bird digestive system diagram

I cant find one on Wikipedia. This needs to be made. Needed for pellet, gizzard, crop etc. AshLin (talk) 14:34, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Will need some time to look up references. Also will scout around, there may be some ready free images on www.archive.org Shyamal (talk) 07:01, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Ant-repellant

Hi, On 06-Sep-08 you introduced the sentence: „The tropical wasp Mischocyttarus drewseni coats the pedicel of its nest with an ant-repellant chemical.[114]” in “Ants” article, section “Relationships with other organisms” The [114] is Jeanne, RL (1972). "Social biology of the neotropical wasp Mischocyttarus drewseni". Bull. Mus. Comp. Zool. 144: 63–150.The volume 144 Bull. Mus. Comp. Zool. Unfortunately the Jeanne, R. article does not exists in collection of my university library. I also could not found a e-copy using Google. I beleave you could have a copy at hand. Acttualy I am interested in single question: if the ant-repellant chemical was identified and what would be the chemical name. If you could wright here the answer I would be apreciated. Best regards, Andrew —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.59.233.198 (talk) 18:18, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

I am not able to locate that specific reference at this point of time either, but many wasps are known to have ant repellent chemicals and maybe the following may help: (You could write to the author http://entomology.wisc.edu/~jeanne/ for a copy)

• Methyl palmitate has been identified as a compound of the ant repellent allomone http://www.springerlink.com/content/w10522875710u771/ D. C. Posy, M. A. Mohamed, H. C. Coppel, R. L. Jeanne 1984. Identification of ant repellent allomone produced by social wasp Polistes fuscatus (Hymenoptera: Vespidae). Journal of Chemical Ecology 10(12):1799-1807
• Jeanne, R. L. 1970. Chemical defense of brood by a social wasp. Science 168: 1465-1466.
• Jun ichi Kojima (1993) A latitudinal gradient in intensity of applying ant-repellent substance to the nest petiole in paper wasps (Hymenoptera: Vespidae). Insectes Sociaux 40(4):403-421 http://www.springerlink.com/content/7112627377550508

Shyamal (talk) 01:37, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the info and you time. I am appreciated. Andrew —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.104.138.200 (talk) 01:21, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Pantala flavescens

I see the BBC used your photo on a [news article.] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alastair Rae (talk • contribs) 09:10, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Yep, and did not follow the Creative Commons license guidelines :( Thanks for fixing my silly error. Shyamal (talk) 09:26, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Illustration help

Hi Shyamal. Please see if you can help with Talk:Mitochondrial Eve#Illustration. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 10:04, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Not sure, but I think it might be useful to indicate the idea that the zygote gets its mitochondria entirely from the egg by showing a pictorial form of DNA within the mitochondria. Using colour codes to indicate specific mutants of those DNA and perhaps showing alongside the females in the geneology might help. Shyamal (talk) 11:03, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback, Shyamal. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 12:46, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Seitz

No. But I'm very grateful to you for letting me know. I put in a quick link under Adalbert Seitz but I'm tempted to write up a history of this amazing work.No time right now but perhaps over the winter. atb RobertNotafly (talk) 20:52, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Nothomyrmecia

I've tried to resolve that issue as best as I can. Both sides were definitely POV-pushing, and it certainly does look like "Sirolo" may be Baroni Urbani engaged in self-promotion, which would be a serious no-no. The adoption of the synonymy by one name-aggregator site does not constitute proof that the ant research community has accepted it, and the fact that the people doing the Ant Tree of Life still use Nothomyrmecia is far more instructive in this regard. You may have noticed that I've hardly been on WP lately; my circumstances here prevent the level of participation I engaged in previously. I should also note that I'm now an ICZN Commissioner, so if you've got a need for an "authoritative" opinion on such matters, I carry a little more official clout these days. Feel free to e-mail me if you've got serious issues like this one cropping up again. Peace, Dyanega (talk) 23:40, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Anatomy images

Thanks for the images. Had to crop one for use in Syrinx. Makes the subject much clearer. AshLin (talk) 17:23, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

seen this ?

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=fungus-makes-zombie-ants Sean.hoyland - talk 09:12, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Hmm, so it is not the height to spread the spores it seems. Maybe the strepsiptera should also be looked at carefully. Shyamal (talk) 09:17, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Birds August newsletter

The August 2009 issue of the Bird WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.

Newsletter delivery by –xeno ^talk 02:24, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Revisiting Nilgiris’ Peaks and Passes

Thanks for the heads up on Kalyan Varma's Journal article. I have responded to him there: Revisiting Nilgiris’ Peaks and Passes. Wish I could have been at the Bangalore Wiki meetup but time is short and distance great.Marcus (talk) 14:34, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Good to hear. By the way, the Peacocke lithographs could be marked as {{pd-old}} rather than {{Pd-India}}. Shyamal (talk) 02:56, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Bare-faced Bulbul

On August 8, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bare-faced Bulbul, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Giants27 (talk) 08:14, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Beetle for id

Any help possible with this beetle? prashanthns (talk) 09:20, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Try http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vitalfranz Shyamal (talk) 09:22, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

And now this ?cricket. Coffee cricket is what the filename says, but google turns up nought prashanthns (talk) 10:55, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Check out the millipede from Periyar that I just added into the same section. prashanthns (talk) 11:10, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Ropalidia_marginata

See Ropalidia_marginata. Broke it into small paras for increasing readability. May require more </ref=" "> tags for maintiaining correct referencing. AshLin (talk) 16:01, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Therea petiveriana

On August 15, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Therea petiveriana, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Orlady (talk) 02:14, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

bee-eaters

I don't have access to older Ibis articles - but there is a very recent paper on the relationships of the family I plan to include in my expansion. As for the huddling behaviour, I have no references except HBW - what I do find interesting is that we don't have a single picture of that behaviour! As I continue the expansion I am going to try and get such a picture as well as one of a carmine bee-eater riding a bustard. Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:30, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Archive link

Hi Shyamal, looks like a rare collection. Thanks for the link. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 06:15, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Lepidoptera morphology

Am adding a few lines to Lepidoptera morphology each day! Welcome to the party!

AshLin (talk) 20:34, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Lepidoptera barnstar

		The Wikiproject Lepidoptera Barnstar
		For User:Shyamal who has contributed greatly to Wikiproject Lepidoptera

AshLin (talk) 09:37, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Maybe I should give you a barnstar for being a bot! AshLin (talk) 10:01, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Slender Loris

Hi Shyamal! Sorry, didn't notice your previous reversion on Gray Slender Loris in the history. I have amended the statement on the image description page to prevent further confusion in the future. Take care. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)^{Join WikiProject Athletics!} 16:56, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

No problem. I have amended the caption further. Shyamal (talk) 11:56, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Freesound Barn swallow

Please do not remove the audio file again. The cc license allows for its use on wiki. Monday0601 (talk) 19:01, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I thought so once. The small print is apparently not in favour of wiki. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Licensing/Archive_17#Sampling_plus_license Shyamal (talk) 01:46, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I contacted the user who uploaded the file, I have full permission.Monday0601 (talk) 16:25, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Damselfly id

An help possible? prashanthns (talk) 16:25, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Best to as K A Subramaniam subbu.aqua at gmail.com Shyamal (talk) 16:31, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. prashanthns (talk) 16:32, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

That address is bouncing. prashanthns (talk) 16:45, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

User:Dam30 - Admin help reqd

Hi,

This effectively anon user - Dam30 (talk · contribs) - firstly made unsourced edits. I found that I had to virtually revert everything he edited because it was clearly POV. I cautioned him about it. Now he has made an obscene rant on Talk:Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1965. What should be the next course of action? AshLin (talk) 14:40, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Are these two Sankey's different?

Hi,

Just noted that you changed the initials of one Major Sankey, SIL of William Henry Benson in the article to R H Sankey. I was under the impression that this is the same Sankey of the Sankey Tank fame, later Col. R E Sankey, according to the latter article. Are these two people different? prashanthns (talk) 10:50, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

I am not sure if R E is correct. It should probably be R H Sankey (both places) see http://www.archive.org/stream/professionalpap00regoog#page/n19/mode/1up The RE could be a mistake from his RE suffix (Royal Engineers). Shyamal (talk) 11:00, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Noted! Thanks. prashanthns (talk) 11:05, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Just to be sure

"Richard Hierom (Sir), K.C.B., Lieut-Gen R.E., Chairman of Board of Works, Ireland, 1884-96 ; b. 22 March,1829 ; and attained the rank of Lieut.Gen (retired) 1884; served in Indian Mutiny campaign (medal with clasps and recommended for V.C.) ; m. 1st, 1858, Sophia Mary, dau. of William Henry Benson, Bengal Civil Service, and by her (who d. 26 Oct. 1882) had surviving issue, two daus. He m. 2ndly, 1890, Henrietta (5, West Halkin Street, S.W.), dau. of the late Pierse Creagh, of O'Brien's Castle, co. Clare, and widow of E. Browne, of Cooloe, co. Galway. He d. 10 Nov. 1908. " http://www.sankey.ws/irishtree.html "Sir" no less ! Seems like an article is needed. Wonder what a medal with clasps is ? Shyamal (talk) 11:17, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Oops, Hieram it seems http://sankey-dietz.com/published_references_to_sankey.htm Shyamal (talk) 11:19, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for this. I presume you are working on the article. Would appreciate a note if you do. prashanthns (talk) 11:31, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Nope, go ahead if you like. I have a 1000 birds on my todo list! Shyamal (talk) 11:33, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

He he...OK. Sure. Am adding for this week's tasks. May begin later this week from Tumkur. THanks for the refs. prashanthns (talk) 11:41, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

A medal is issued for a specific battle and campaign or for service in a field or difficult area in peace and/or war. So if the medal was authorised for say the North West Frontier but there were many parts to the frontier that were active at same or different times, a clasp was ordered for a particular locality. So there could be a Chitral clasp, Waziristan clasp and a Baluchistan clasp. You would get the medal with appropriate clasp the first time you served wherever that medal could be earned. If you then served in another area where a different clasp was authorised, you would not get a second medal but only an additional clasp. There are numerous cases, complexities, details in this kind of thing. Hope this clarifies.AshLin (talk) 17:56, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Hardly clarifies.......he he..kidding. Thanks. :)prashanthns (talk) 20:31, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Ashwin, I was planning to ask you about it. Shyamal (talk) 02:16, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Put up a draft article on my user space - User:Prashanthns/Richard_Hieram_Sankey. Am leaving for Tumkur. Will add a few more sections on personal life and works and then transfer to mainspace. Thinking of a good DYK. Meanwhile, any public domain images of our good Sir Sankey availabe? prashanthns (talk) 07:24, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Article moved from user space. Richard Hieram Sankey. A li'l bit more on his Bangalore works needs to be added. Will do in sometime. prashanthns (talk) 17:49, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Sankey's wife(s)

There is something wrong with the dates I think. This link talks about one Henrietta Sankey born in India who gave birth to a daughter Violet through one, Charles Wilson. The dates coincide with our Sankey's Henrietta, but the article claims that this Henrietta died in childbirth. Was wondering if Henrietta was then the first wife? Or is this just a coincidence? prashanthns (talk) 14:19, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

ODNB certainly says Henrietta was his second wife. Some of the Gazette searches I did suggest there was another Sankey in teh British Army at the same time - h emight also have been marrie dto someone called Henrietta. David Underdown (talk) 14:40, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Ah...

Oh really? prashanthns (talk) 13:15, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, very exciting actually. Henry has done some real sleuthing and has found that the person seated on the left is John Lindsay Stewart, the Punjab forester, and the standing figure is William Jameson probably holding a tea branch. Apparently Henry figured this out from the date of the photo and knowing that Jerdon was in Lahore at that time based on his memory of a letter that Cleghorn wrote to Balfour in 1864 ! He is planning to publish some notes on this, so until then we must wait. Shyamal (talk) 14:42, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Symbrenthia hippoclus and Symbrenthia lilaea

I think you are right about them being distinct species but it seems like the group is a mess - there are two species but some subspecies have been moved from one to the other and the matter is unclear according to R.I. Vane-Wright & R. de Jong http://www.repository.naturalis.nl/document/46743 . Quoting R.I. Vane-Wright & R. de Jong here: "Here we follow Tsukada (1985) and Motono & Negishi (1989) in applying the name lilaea, but not hippoclus, to one of the species found on the Asian mainland. Koiwaya (1989) applied hippoclus (type-locality Ambon) to a species that includes China within its range. Parsons (1999) apparently applies hippoclus to a taxon occuring from India and China through the Malay Archipelago, as far east as Bougainville. We treat hippoclus here as a species extending from Thailand to Maluku. Note added in proof: Fric et al. (submitted) now propose to include the formerly separate Papuan region genus Mynes within Symbrenthia, bringing the group to over two dozen species." So not really sure about it but I think the text needs to be expanded with citations. The sources cited are unavailable to me, perhaps you are in a position to look it up. Shyamal (talk) 08:17, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree with you. This was a case (it took me a long time to decide this) that two different species had the same common name. It seems to me that Symbrenthia lilaea should not redirect to the same page as Symbrenthia hippoclus. Someone should create a separate page for S. lilaea. Are you interested? They are a bit outside by area of prime interest (North America). Dger (talk) 23:14, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks I will look over this. I think the current photos represent what should be lilaea but need to confirm. Shyamal (talk) 01:52, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Hieroglyphic Noctuid Moth from Malaysia

Thought you would enjoy this [1] Robert Notafly (talk) 09:18, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

A very colourful one indeed. Apparently first described from India http://www.nhm.ac.uk/jdsml/research-curation/research/projects/butmoth/GenusDetails.dsml?NUMBER=3552.0&& ! Thanks ! Shyamal (talk) 12:48, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Your scarab. I'll do what I can. What do you make of the supra orbital flanges on the Ganges Dolphin Skull -echo location perhaps it is blind.Is the lateral view too pale on your screen? My Sony screen is angle sensitive. I can take another pic but not with such true white. Here it is [2] V busy Museum reopens in ten days RoberT aka Notafly (talk) 20:41, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Very bizarre thing that is. Nice pictures that could enhance the article. Apparently it has been hypothesized that those maxillary crests might focus ultrasound but apparently still questioned. Purves, P. E. & Pilleri, G. 1973. Observations on the ear, nose, throat and eye of Platanista indi. Investigations on Cetacea 5, 13-58.

http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2008/07/dolphins_with_crests.php Shyamal (talk) 01:33, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

NexT Bangalore Meetup?

..It was great finally meeting you at the last Bangalore WikiMeetup.. Hoping that you will come for next meetup WP:MBL7 too -- Tinu Cherian - 19:48, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Dr. Andy Lehrer

Hi Shymal. I noticed that earlier in the year you suspected that the fine doctor had created his own page. I cn tell you that that was not the case after a careful investigation. The purpose for which it was created was to deflect attention from something else, and the fight to keep it listed was much bigger than Dr. Lehrer. You might apologize to him sometime, if you ever get the chance. The purpose of Wikipedia has been subverted here, and you were one of the casualties. If you do renominate it, I will support it, and I imagine that the Dr. Lehrer would not mind.--Die4Dixie (talk) 22:05, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Sounds intriguing. If it is something of the likes of the recent suppression of the kidnap story, then the people responsible for the subversion of Wikipedia should come clean and the Wikimedia Foundation should act on it. Shyamal (talk) 03:46, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

ants

Dear Shyamal

I would like to change slightly the first paragraph in the ant entry, so it would end like this:

Today, more than 12,500 species are classified with upper estimates of about 22,000 species.

Since you seem to have changed the setting, you might help out? The change would one the one hand make the entry a little bit more accurate (12500 species instead of 12000 and give an estimate based on a scientifically published article.

Thanks for this

Donat Agosti Myrmoteras (talk) 13:18, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Spelling of "uroh{y|i}drosis"

Hi, Shyamal. I'm wondering about your reason for changing "urohidrosis" to "urohydrosis". The NSOED doesn't have either word, but it does have "hidrosis [Greek hidrõsis sweating, from hidrõs sweat: see -OSIS.] Medicine (Excessive) sweating." It doesn't have "hydrosis". So I think the "i" is correct. —JerryFriedman (Talk) 16:17, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi Jerry, insufficient research I guess. I have moved it back on the basis of your additional information and Google Scholar 24 to 7 in favour of urohidrosis. Could you include the etymology with reference in the article. Shyamal (talk) 16:45, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Done. I'm glad we could clear this up. —JerryFriedman (Talk) 05:11, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Disruption?

Hello Shyamal,

I'm unsure of what you mean by disruptive editing, I felt that I was only contributing valid information which I'd spent much time and effort in researching. At which point do one's contributions cross the line from being constructive to being vandalistic? I'd just like to know for future reference. Summerteeth87 3:36pm 09/11/09 (EST) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Summerteeth87 (talk • contribs)

I think that message was given for your contribution http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Birdwatching&diff=prev&oldid=323410732 - which is not present in the reference cited after that. Shyamal (talk) 08:04, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

My apologies, a simple editing error on my part. I have links to back up my contribution, however upon reviewing what I submitted, I failed to put the link in where appropriate. I will submit my changes again with the correct link. Kindest regards. Summerteeth87 15:18, 10 November 2009 (EST)

ARM

Nice find, there may be a bit of text that I can use too {: Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:10, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

looks good, thanks Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:20, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Andy Lehrer is back

The IP address from Israel confirms it is him. Every November he comes back to edit the Bengalia article. It needs to be protected again, immediately, to prevent more of his usual recidivist editing. Keep an eye on Calliphoridae and similar articles. Peace, Dyanega (talk) 22:39, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I have reverted for now. Hoping that someone else will protect it when he steps up his activity. The last two protects were both set up by me and it is terribly unfortunate that he is unable to contribute anything positive to the article. At the minimum one would have hoped that any entomologist would add information based on the review of literature that one would have done on the taxa of their interest. Shyamal (talk) 11:09, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

• The problem is that if one does a "review of literature" one finds that everyone unequivocally condemns Lehrer's research, and the self-published "journal" it appears in. He refuses to accept the condemnation of the scientific community, and will clearly never concede. Dyanega (talk) 02:45, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Your bounty delivered:

Thanks for contributing in the Insect article during the GA upgrading procedure. The article is now a Good Article, and you have earned this barnstar:

		- The Bio-star (spec 2)
		Awarded to you for helping with all your contributions during the Insect GA upgrade. Having successfully earned the bounty that I placed for this task. - ☩Damërung ☩. -- 16:04, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Not sure if I deserve it. I just looked at the article and it seems like it still needs a lot of work. Shyamal (talk) 01:11, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Urohydration

Well, if it's in HBW, it should probably be mentioned in the article. I suspect that people who use that term think that since this charming behavior isn't really sweating, it shouldn't be called any kind of hidrosis. But I don't have any evidence. —JerryFriedman (Talk) 06:56, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Your view sought

As a member of WP Arthropods, you might have a view on this discussion. Thanks in advance. Heds (talk) 03:56, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for asking. Have made a suggestion. Shyamal (talk) 04:10, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Question about new article

. If it´s not your table please tell what to do please !

Please consider article about Henryk Makower [1] - known polish microbiologist - chairman after Ludwik Hirszfeld. Se http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henryk_Makower - kan be seen in translation by Google. I am son but I hope it doesn´t matter. Please mail me if it fits josef.makower@google.com I´m not Google affiliated  :-) jmak (talk) 09:11, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I cannot help much with this, maybe you should try Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Microbiology. Shyamal (talk) 12:22, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Punjab raven

Is this a generally recognised form? If so, perhaps it should go in the subspecies list. Also, is it actually separable from neighbouring forms, Kazahkstan claims this form, and the image is taken in Tajikistan Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:45, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Also the intergradation between Corvus corax lawrencei and Corvus corax ruficoUis is so perfect in Persia and N.W. India that some specimens are impossible to identify Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:54, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

You've been Invited!

You have been invited to join WikiProject Insects!! Join today and work with me and other members (project just made 22:44, 19 November 2009 (UTC)) in a collaboration on improving insect orders and creating pages of insect families. Things like insect-related awards, userboxes, topicons, ect. are also coming soon.

You might also be interested in are GA project, we are currently working on Earwig. And maybe you would be interested in our identification project that is being built as we speek. Contact me or the WP:INS talk page for more info. -Bugboy52.4 | =-= 00:17, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Aristolochia ringens

Dear Shyamal,

You are welcome. Before uploading an own picture of Aristolochia grandiflora, I had a look on the category Aristolochia. I could identify your picture, because I had seen some minutes ago a picture of it on p. 124 in the book Tropical flowering plants, ISBN 0-88192-585-3. Best botanic regards, --Réginald (To reply) 08:38, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Amphibians and Reptiles needs you!

Ahoy there! We're conducting our annual purge of the participants list for WikiProject Amphibians and Reptiles, in an effort to make sure our members stay current with events at the WikiProject. If you would like to renew your participation with the WikiProject, simply drop by the participants list and re-add your name to the list in alphabetical order using the following format: {{user|YOUR USERNAME HERE}}. Also feel free to add your specialties or points of interest. If you don't have the time or don't feel like rejoining, then ignore this request; you can rejoin at any time you'd like. Cheers, bibliomaniac15 00:15, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

FYI: Directory of Environmental Organizations and Resource Persons in Tamil Nadu

Shyamal, This new article is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy.

• Please share your thoughts on the matter at this article's entry on the Articles for deletion page.

WWF publication

This is a comprehensive Directory of Environmental Organizations and Resource Persons in Tamil Nadu including their specialization's and locations in Tamil Nadu state, South India. It is adapted from a more detailed 2008 WWF publication It includes many additions {*} and is meant to be updated easily and often.

This list is intended to increase knowledge of the professional environmental community in Tamil Nadu by the general public. It is meant to be useful to policy makers, National Green Corps coordinators, teachers, NGOs, researchers and students seeking wider collaboration with knowledgeable environmentalists in Tamil Nadu.

These environmental organizations are notable for the diversity of their members and intended impact groups, ranging from urban to rural, local to national, elementary students to government policy makers and rich to poor. The combined intent of these organizations' efforts is increased awareness of and participation in environmentalism by a broad spectrum of the state's population.Marcus334 (talk) 14:25, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi Marcus, I am afraid this is not acceptable under the scope of WP as it stands. While I see the merits the problems with allowing such lists to be made are also numerous. But for what its worth, you should consider publishing your compilation via other media such as the Internet Archive http://www.archive.org where it can even become a citable source. Shyamal (talk) 15:09, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

undo in Chilasa clytia

The binomial name of this species is Papilio clytia. What's the reason of your reversion? Mithril (talk) 02:46, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Is that not outdated ? I believe there is a strong support for the Chilasa clade http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15205049 and that the name Chilasa clytia is widely used in most databases. The entry on that page was probably from some old literature where the Papilio was lumped together. Shyamal (talk) 02:49, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

I think it'd be better to use my talk page only. Mithril (talk) 02:57, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Image edit

Thanks for File:DermapteraEvol.svg. It really helps with the earwig article. But could you please edit it to remove the quotation marks around Protelytroptera? Just because it is a theorized group does not mean quotation marks should be used. Thanks, Reywas92^Talk 03:15, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

That was how the original illustration used it. I think they indicate the fact that it is not well defined and I think it is a good idea to indicate uncertainty given the way evolutionary diagrams and evolution in general is misunderstood. Shyamal (talk) 03:17, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Well the book is wrong. That's never how quotation marks should be used. It could say something like 'Protelytroptera (theorized)'. Reywas92^Talk 03:29, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

I am not enough of an expert to dismiss Grimaldi and Engel's opinion! Notice also that some of the fossils are extremely difficult to place. The original illustration even included information on the extent of the fossil record and so on. I am inclined not to add original research to what is indicated. Shyamal (talk) 03:36, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Well it's not OR to remove incorrect punctuation. There's no telling what they really meant with that. Anyway, you have typos on "Paelozoic" and "Arixeniddae". Reywas92^Talk 03:52, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, fixed the typos. The image is public domain, feel free to improve on it. Shyamal (talk) 03:55, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Insect

What do you plan on adding to insect to expand it? Maybe I can help? And then we can put tit up for FA soon :P Bugboy52.4 | =-= 02:08, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

It needs time, it takes a lot of it to actually structure this kind of topic suitably. The coverage is also patchy. Unfortunately I do not have too much time for this article. Try going through standard texts on entomology, especially see the table of contents to see what is missing. Shyamal (talk) 02:19, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

I was just thinking that I might just wait till we finish the majority of the orders, til we work on insect any further. Bugboy52.4 ¦ =-= 02:52, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Leiosoma palmicinctum

Unless you created a redirect, it cannot be deleted by blanking the page. If you wish it to be deleted, nominate it at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion. Any further blanking of the redirect page shall be interpreted as vandalism. If you want it gone, it's best to do the appropriate thing here and let Wikipedia deletion policy do its thing. 147.70.242.54 (talk) 18:14, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

I do not think it is vandalism to delete an incorrect redirect. I have deleted it (per WP:IAR). Shyamal (talk) 02:08, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Thx

AshLin (talk) 10:21, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Urohidrosis

Thanks for checking that—it's good to know for sure. Of course I'll take your word for it. —JerryFriedman (Talk) 19:21, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Nepenthes

Thanks for that Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:20, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, it only occurs up to 700m, well below Horton Plains level Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:51, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Looks promising, I'll pass it on to the nom, he more of botanist than me Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:36, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Delichon

What are these ?

I've being thinking of having a go at a Delichon as a a GT/FT. House Martin is an FA, the genus and the two Asian species are just stubs. Absolutely no pressure, just that given the geography you might be interested. If you do fancy this, could divide by article or sections. I'll probably do this anyway, so if you're not interested, just say. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:51, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Sure, I will add whatever I can get my hands on. Shyamal (talk) 08:18, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Re your cashmeriensis as a disputed ssp of Common, is this the same as the cashmeriensis ssp of Asian H M. but lumping the species, or is it just plausible coincidence that both have the same name? If it helps, D. d. cashmeriensis is Mayr 1941. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 18:02, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for examining it. That was a mistake by me thanks to using some older source without looking at more recent works. Rasmussen's introduction reads "Because of their confused taxonomic history and the difficulty of identification in some plumages, distributions of each species are rather poorly known in the region." - yes, so cashmeriensis is part of Delichon dasypus. Shyamal (talk) 02:25, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Any chance of maps for the two Asian species, please? Turner has the ranges, but the scale is unhelpful, and I don't have Rasmussen. For delichon, I can just tweak the House Martin map - it's pointless, I think, to try show the separate sp on the genus map because of the much smaller ranges of dasypus and nipalense, and the overlaps between the three species. Incidentally, any idea why it's nipalense, and not nipalensis? Incidentally, I think I'll concentrate on Nepal HM for now. It should be OK to get to GA, but I think Asian is more plausible for an FA, if we go for a FT instead of GT. I'll work through Turner (not much there), and ten see what else is around. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 11:01, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Mailing you a photograph of the relevant page. Shyamal (talk) 13:38, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Good find, Systematic notes on Asian birds. 14. Types of the Hirundinidae says whitelyi is D. u. lagopus, but blakistoni is D. d. dasypus, which we don't have an image for yet. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:34, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Sarus Crane

Sure, I'll have a look, but I've just got back from London, so probably tomorrow Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:45, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I've had a very quick run through the first through section. Some conversions are missing, I've fixed some of the lengths, but no weights. Burma/Myanmar - I'd prefer Burma, but not both. One sentence begins by Schodde and doesn't make sense. Check the history for my tweaks, I'll look more carefully tomorrow Jimfbleak - talk to me? 17:31, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I,ve had another runthorugh, please check. There's a park area needs converting as well. In the refs, I think it's best to spell out journals, not abbreviate, particularly if you plan to go to FA. Some refs have the binomial not italicised. I don't like galleries, and I normally chop them, on the basis that images should either be in the text or at commons, and no one so far has objected to my ruthless surgery. However, it's not actually a crime to have a gallery, so your call. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:28, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi Jim, thanks, it looks good. I am also trying to induct one of the major Sarus Crane researchers into editing. So there may be some fresh additions coming soon that will need some tidying. I commented out the gallery. Not sure I would want to take it to FA, it takes away ones time and spirit, when it could be well utilized for a lot more. Shyamal (talk) 07:30, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

The gallery's gone! The lead is a bit thin, nothing about courtship, breeding, feeding. I'll keep a watching brief anyway, it's fatal to ask me to ce, once I start meddling, it's like scratching a rash, I can't stop. I know what you mean about FAC, but my FAs are less ambitious than yours. I keep promising myself I'll stop, but now I've got into doing topics, I'll need to get one of the house martins to FA to get a FT. Asian was favourite originally, but there's not as much as I expected out there - (eg, can't find if D. d. nigrimentalis has any plumage differences), so it might be Delichon Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:38, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

(not crane related) A Russian study found half of Asian House Martins didn't enclose their nests, whhich were like deep Barn swallow nests. PCR doesn't mention this, do is it restricted to the nominate ssp? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:19, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like a case of lost in translation. Does not seem like races could differ greatly in nest architecture. Shyamal (talk) 14:58, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I found a Google book snippet suggesting that open nests occur in India too, but not enough to ref properly Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:14, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia WikMeetup Bangalore 8

WikMeetup 8 Bangalore is scheduled for Sunday, 20 Dec, 2009 3:00 PM - 5:30 PM. Please ping me if you require any more information. Hoping to meet you on the meetup day. Take care -- Tinu Cherian - 11:35, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Sparrows

Hi!

A number of notes for you on sparrows:

I've responded to your comments on the Sind Sparrow at both Talk:Sind Sparrow and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Birds#Sparrow template. The stuff on its names is well worth adding, and I'll do so when I expand the article. What do you make of two other such IOC name changes: from Pegu Sparrow to Plain-backed and Cinnamon Sparrow to Russet?

I've made a list of images needed for the planned Passer FT at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Birds#Nepal House Martin. I think you might want to take a look. Can you remove the watermarks from the Cinnamon Sparrow's images, or get better images? Lastly, I've answered a year-old question you posted at Talk:Chaffinch. —innotata (Talk • Contribs) 23:17, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. Yes, some changes by the IOC are somewhat not thought through. A good rationale and case made to the IOC can help in reversals. Will see if I can help you with the sparrows. Regarding Chaffinch, I am aware of the advantages of protandry but have not heard of any real advantage for males to stay back in winter. Shyamal (talk) 02:08, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. As for the Chaffinch, Linnaeus named it coelebs since all the Chaffinches that winter north of Scania are male. —innotata (Talk • Contribs) 17:24, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

that's brilliant, you have mentioned the site, but I forgot. Broadband has been down for nearly a day, or would have replied earlier

Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:30, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Merge Wildlife corridor into Habitat corridor

When u get time kindly improve and help merge these articles. Thanks mrigthrishna (talk) 12:42, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Would be best to discuss it on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ecology. Shyamal (talk) 08:57, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

sparrowhawk

Hi Shyamal: No, I haven't forgotten; we've just closed on a "new" (old) house this week, so things have been nuts. I should have time tomorrow to finish up -- though they still haven't addressed all the things I'd already listed (at least they hadn't as of yesterday...) MeegsC | Talk 05:50, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Ah, that should keep you busy during the holidays. Maybe the hawk-editors will have more time too. Have a good holiday ! Shyamal (talk) 08:54, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

House martins

It's astonishing that the descriptions for nests range from the old books, which imply that the nests are always open, to Rasmussen's "round with entrance tube" I'd be inclined to trust Turner on this. wrt to the old images, I'd like to use them somewhere, haven't decided where yet, although the feet probably best in Delichon Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:40, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Interestingly Erwin Stresemann also notes open saucer nest - http://www.springerlink.com/content/l7k14g4318155240/ Shyamal (talk) 16:09, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

dasypus

I'm struggling to find a reference to anything that eats the Asian House Martin. I assume that Falco sp are the likely suspects, and I wondered if Rasmussen had either this Asian HM or its relatives listed as prey items of perhaps one of the hobbies or peregrine?

With the taxonomic mess involved, it seems unlikely that there would be any reliable notes on most aspects of their biology. Shyamal (talk) 16:15, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

More on sparrows

Might you be interested in making some of your amazing svg images for these species?

• House Sparrow: I think it would be good to get an image comparing the two House Sparrow groups the subspecies section. (The two groups are domesticus and indicus.) I highly doubt I'll be able to find photographs that are comparable.
• The Asian Desert Sparrow, covered in this paper. It'll be hard to find any pics of this distinctive (sub)species (there already is a poor one of the African race).
• Same story for the Afghan Scrub Sparrow, except that an photo has (surprisingly) not yet been found for the Dead Sea Sparrow. —innotata (Talk • Contribs) 00:22, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Will try to help but I cannot promise anything since these streaked and patterned birds are not easy to illustrate unlike those with flatter colour patterns and I am still in the process of reviewing a graphics tablets. Shyamal (talk) 01:47, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

OK. Thanks. Actually, the Asian Desert isn't streaked and patterned. —innotata (Talk • Contribs) 19:25, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

I've responded to your query on your draft P. s. saharae image. —innotata (Talk • Contribs) 19:07, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

I've responded, again. —innotata (Talk • Contribs) 18:11, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

S Asian Ennominae

Hi Shyamal, apologies for the delay - I've not been logging in to Wiki of late (a lot of work at the moment)

Your moth is a species of Somatina, in the geometrid subfamily Sterrhinae, probably Somatina plynusaria.

cheers, Roger. HKmoths (talk) 08:53, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

The second one [3] looks like a species of Hypomecis, close to (but not quite the same as) Hypomecis eosaria.

cheers, Roger. HKmoths (talk) 11:57, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

How to move a category?

Is there an easy way to move articles from a category to another other than brute force manual ways? I'm looking to move 'Category:Arthropod anatomy' to 'Category:Arthropod morphology'. AshLin (talk) 14:02, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt response. Thought you'd be away. You usually are this time of year. AshLin (talk) 14:16, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Ibisbill

Just a query about Tibetan plateau, IUCN says: Afghanistan; Bhutan; China; India; Kazakhstan; Kyrgyzstan; Myanmar; Nepal; Pakistan; Russian Federation; Tajikistan; Turkmenistan; Uzbekistan. would that cover all of these? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:41, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Reverted to the original. Let me see if there is any reference for it. Shyamal (talk) 13:55, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

You are right, the Pamirs are geologically older and existed before the India plate collision. Seebohm has a theory that the bird was from further north. http://www.archive.org/stream/cu31924000181366#page/n348/mode/1up Shyamal (talk) 14:19, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Yet more on swallows

I thought while I'm recovering from the confusing Delichon house martins, I'd knock out a well-known species like Red-rumped Swallow. First choice: who is the authority? I think it must be Laxman as in Turner, but BirdLife has Linnaeus, Second choice: genus. Turner and Birdlife both lump in Hirundo, I wondered whether Pam Rasmussen used that or Cecropsis? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:13, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

PCR uses Hirundo -the author I think should be Linnaeus even though I see Laxmann listed for 1769. The rule IIRC is that priority applies only to post-Linnean names although I am unable to find any such clause on the ICZN site.

• http://www.archive.org/stream/actasocprofaunae24soci#page/127/mode/1up/search/daurica quotes "Eric Laxmann"
• http://www.archive.org/stream/checklistofbirds91960pete#page/115/mode/1up James L. Peters et al. uses Linnaeus
• http://www.archive.org/stream/BakerFbiBirds3/BakerFBI3#page/n271/mode/1up/search/daurica E C Stuart Baker uses Linnaeus

Shyamal (talk) 02:11, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

PS: I found something on plant names that suggests that the practice of using pre-Linnean names is rather old and possibly not followed in the current ICZN Code. http://www.jstor.org/pss/1216744 Shyamal (talk) 02:16, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll stick with Cecropis for now since our use is consistent at present. Swallow lists this genus and an article for the genus exists. It's easy to change if necessary, and I've mentioned the alternative. I'm not sure why Laxman is pre-Linnaean, Systema Naturae tenth edition was 1758. The Linnaeus date for Red-rumped is 1771, after Laxman - are you saying that the later date takes priority because it's Linnaeus. The link you gave above says 1753 is the watershed? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:51, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Oops, sorry I thought Laxmann was pre-Linnean. On further checking Laxmann is the right author (note double "n") - see http://www.repository.naturalis.nl/document/46730 where the type locality is also corrected http://ibc.lynxeds.com/species/red-rumped-swallow-cecropis-daurica Shyamal (talk) 07:32, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Excellent. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:21, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Ganduberunda

Hi!

It is quite some time since we exchanged messages. Are you back in Bangalore? As always, I am busy with posting my DYK articles. I plan to expand the stub article Sharabha since there is some controversy related to it between Shaivites and Vaishnavites. Sharaba is linked to the Ganudberunda also, Karnatika's symbol and you have done some editing in the past. Can you give me some authentic literature on the subject which I could use for expanding the Sharabha using information avialble on Ganduberunda? Thanks.--Nvvchar (talk) 07:42, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Hello, yes. I am in Bangalore. I am a bit religiously challenged so I cannot help much on this but there is a reference to Gandaberunda in Manner A (1886) Tulu English Dictionary. Basel Mission Press, Mangalore - http://www.archive.org/stream/tuluenglishdicti00mnrich#page/n201/mode/2up/search/gandaberunda - I think I must have merely been looking at whether this should just not be treated within the double-headed eagle which is a very widespread icon. Shyamal (talk) 08:06, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Photo

How can I get a higher resolution of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PantalaFlavescensTalakaveri.jpg for a newspaper publication? Pls write to c.eckert(at)faz.de. thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.227.145.21 (talk) 10:42, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

That is a crop of a bigger photo and I suspect it is at the highest available resolution as was taken. Hope you tried the full resolution link http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/PantalaFlavescensTalakaveri.jpg Shyamal (talk) 11:01, 7 January 2010 (UTC)