User talk:Shaan Sengupta/Archive 2
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Thank you!
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Hello, Shaan Sengupta,
I just wanted to thank you for putting together such a comprehensive SPI case. It turns out that the socking was more extensive than we thought and goes back further in time. This sockmaster doesn't seem to be able to stay away from editing on the project and since you edit in the area of Indian politics, I hope you'll file updated cases if similar behavior regarding elections and small political parties reappears. I believe the SPI case will be merged to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Srimonbanik2007 so this might be where you need to go in the future. Thanks again for your time and effort to stop the disruption that was occurring. Liz Read! Talk! 00:24, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Liz I thank you for your appreciation. I always look to work collaboratively with newbies and take guidance from seniors to engage well and make this project more better. I believe I could have made more contribution regarding these disruptions but its just that I am always under attack (sometimes even from senior editors) bcoz of my political ideology, so I prefer to just step back from those types. People notice my ideology on my userpage but never go through my contribution history which shows that I have always kept apart my edits and my ideology. Maybe the community (with my work) will someday understand this and be a little less harsh. Thanks again and Cheers! ShaanSenguptaTalk 15:24, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
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Tamil Nadu elections
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Thanks for your understanding.
The next period of protection will probably have to be a month and the one after that, I imagine, can go through to the election. If you like, feel free to ping me since I'm aware of the backstory (though I'd still probably register a request a RPPI). Chetsford (talk) 10:33, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- I would surely register a request at RfPPI, maybe can consider pinging you as you said you are aware of the backstory. Thank you again. ShaanSenguptaTalk 12:20, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
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2024
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@Shaan Sengupta User Maphumor is continuously seen to contest in edit warring. He is imposing his orginal researches and probably is seemed to uplift or suppress particular political ideology. He is reverting sourced edits (or previously sourced). Please do something. XYZ 250706 (talk) 10:18, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- @XYZ 250706 I have seen that but maximum that you can do is, first warn them with WP:NOR notices at their talk page when you revert their edits.
- First revert Template:Uw-nor1
- Second revert Template:Uw-nor2
- Third revert Template:Uw-nor3
- Fourth revert Template:Uw-nor4
- If they still don't stop and continue with it you can report them at WP:ANI. But be sure to atleast serve two warnings before going there. As that platform is for behavioral issues and not content disputes. You need to show that you have tried engaging with them but they are not ready to collaborate. On a second thought you can actually go to ANI now also because they already have received so much disruption notice before. You might know all of this but this is what I can suggest right now. ShaanSenguptaTalk 10:40, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
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Can we run a CU?
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Hello @Ivanvector and @Spicy couldn't decide whose talk page should I go to so I chose mine. A strange thing happened moments ago. Someone tried to impersonate me with Shaan Sengupta 2.0. And they went further with trying to get my account blocked by filing a request at WP:ANI here. I saw that and immediately requested to get'em blocked which they are. Their userpage is deleted which they copied completly from mine. I suspect that this might be in response to my recent involvements.
- May be at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Srimonbanik2007/Archive where the last sock was blocked by Spicy. Now the reason to suspect this us bcoz I have been involved in getting 6-7 of their sock accounts blocked.
- Or maybe this has something to do with disputes going on at Talk:Bangladesh genocide and Talk:Rape during the Bangladesh Liberation War where I have been targeted frequently and have struck nearly all of the block evasion comments. Here the last set of socks were blocked by Ivanvector.
Can we run a CU to see if this was a try by anyone of these? Pinging other involved Admins/CU mostly with Bangladesh article IP evasions. @Isabelle Belato, @Robertsky and @Vanjagenije ShaanSenguptaTalk 08:02, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- Ohk. Meanwhile I was writing this, Spicy has already found that this was a try by the sock. My doubt was correct. Thank you so much. ShaanSenguptaTalk 08:06, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
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Archival of RFCBEFORE material
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Is it really Wikipedia:Gaming the system to prevent very relevant WP:RFCBEFORE material from being archived? In fact, I'd argue that forcing its archival is gaming the system. Frankly, 30 days is too short. But I'm happy to get an opinion from an admin, if you like. Malerisch (talk) 12:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- Pinging Robertsky, who dealt with a similar dispute over archiving at Talk:Rape during the Bangladesh Liberation War. Shaan Sengupta has reverted this diff of mine, which was meant to prevent the archival of Talk:Bangladesh genocide#Disruptive edits by Lionel Messi Lover, a very relevant WP:RFCBEFORE thread that directly led to the ongoing RfC on that talk page. The archival period of the talk page is only 30 days. Was my comment reasonable? Malerisch (talk) 12:46, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Malerisch I never forced its archival. I just did what should have been done naturally. You clearly mentioned that you were commenting only to prevent the discussion from getting automatically archived. This shouldn't be done by an experienced editor like you or me otherwise the new users or IPs will also start doing same to stop threads from being archived. Also by your actions it is quite possible that if the thread doesn't see any action again then you might post a comment like this in future to prevent further archiving. Till when can it go like this? Is this correct. I am not against keeping or archiving. I just want proper method to be followed. As for 30 days, we are not the right people to decide. I agree to ask an admin. Since you have pinged one I shall leave it to them. Let's listen to his point before moving forward. ShaanSenguptaTalk 13:51, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- I just think that it's WP:COMMONSENSE for WP:RFCBEFORE material to not suddenly be archived in the middle of an ongoing RfC, and I thought that leaving a comment would be the simplest method to accomplish that. I'm fine with the thread being archived after the RfC ends. But I will accept whatever the admin's opinion is. Malerisch (talk) 14:01, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- Look that discussion is inactive bcoz of a reason. It was filed bcoz someone thought someone is being disruptive. That thing ended and the thing which replaced it was the content which should be there of the page. And this is already being discussed in the RfC. So I don't think that to discuss the same thing multiple threads are needed. Previous threads were all sandwiched that's why new RfC was started which again is sandwiched. So previous ones with little to no activity can be archived so that fresh discussions can be held. It would be helpful for newbies also is backlog is clear. This will prevent their point of view to be influenced by others. Rest I too am willing to leave on the admin. ShaanSenguptaTalk 14:41, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- If anyone thinks that 30 days is too short and boldly set to a longer archival period but was reverted, per WP:BRD, open a discussion on the talk page about setting a reasonable archival period.
- By the way, there are more elegant ways to temporarily delay automatic archival, such {{DNAU}} template (of course, please pair it with {{pin}} or {{bump}} with an appropriate explanation for other editors explaining the delay in archival). With this template, one can delay the archival in a more granular manner, i.e. instead of 30 days, you can set it to be archived in 2 or 3 weeks time.
- If you are involved in a current conversation... Just let the bot do the work, lest others accuse you for trying to influence the discussion in one way or another, unless the thread to be archived is noncontroversial, i.e. a relatively inconsequential edit request.
- I have not looked in depth the content of the two sections. But are there points from the earlier section that are not already in the RfC? If so, let it just archive itself. If not, you can also leave a note to the closer somewhere in the current conversation that there is an archived thread to be taken into consideration. An experienced RfC closer may then look at that archived thread. (Personally, I prefer that the early conversation being archived as the page size of the talk page is getting heavier as the RfC rolls on.)
- I may be wrong on this, but I don't think there are any rules or guidelines against archiving WP:RFCBEFORE material while the RfC is ongoing. A lot of RFCBEFORE discussions starts on non-related talk pages actually, i.e. at the various Village Pumps, user talk pages, WikiProject talk pages, etc, before moving to the relevant talk pages for the actual RfC. These threads end up being archived even early in the RfC conversation. And either the participants have a list/index of relevant prior discussions in the current discussion, or the references to prior discussions in the current discussion would be a clue to look for them in the relevant archives.
- I just think that it's WP:COMMONSENSE for WP:RFCBEFORE material to not suddenly be archived in the middle of an ongoing RfC, and I thought that leaving a comment would be the simplest method to accomplish that. I'm fine with the thread being archived after the RfC ends. But I will accept whatever the admin's opinion is. Malerisch (talk) 14:01, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- – robertsky (talk) 14:44, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, I can accept letting the discussions automatically archive themselves. There are points I've made in that thread that I haven't mentioned in the RfC, so I'll add a link to the thread in my !vote once it's archived. Malerisch (talk) 15:40, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- I am perfectly fine with this. I think this is solved. Shall I close this now @Malerisch? ShaanSenguptaTalk 15:42, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, I can accept letting the discussions automatically archive themselves. There are points I've made in that thread that I haven't mentioned in the RfC, so I'll add a link to the thread in my !vote once it's archived. Malerisch (talk) 15:40, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Malerisch I never forced its archival. I just did what should have been done naturally. You clearly mentioned that you were commenting only to prevent the discussion from getting automatically archived. This shouldn't be done by an experienced editor like you or me otherwise the new users or IPs will also start doing same to stop threads from being archived. Also by your actions it is quite possible that if the thread doesn't see any action again then you might post a comment like this in future to prevent further archiving. Till when can it go like this? Is this correct. I am not against keeping or archiving. I just want proper method to be followed. As for 30 days, we are not the right people to decide. I agree to ask an admin. Since you have pinged one I shall leave it to them. Let's listen to his point before moving forward. ShaanSenguptaTalk 13:51, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
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- @Yamla the notice reads that multiple accounts is allowed but not for illegitimate reasons. I told you everything that was true still this is illegitimate? You said I am not eligible for a clean start. What do I need to do so that I can do editing on Wikipedia. ShaanSenguptaTalk 17:46, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- This is an illegitimate example, a clear example of WP:EVADE. Your abuse of this account makes it far less likely you'll ever be unblocked. If you don't have access to your original account and can't recover the password, you need to go at least six months with zero edits, then apply for an unblock with the oldest account you still have access to. At that point, you'll need to convince us you understand your use of this account was blatantly inappropriate and deal with the issues that lead to your original block and subsequent unrelenting sockpuppetry. I'll note you are far closer to a community ban than you are to being unblocked. --Yamla (talk) 17:49, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Yamla I did the same the last time. I went with 0 edits no new accounts. But I was told to make a request with the original account. I no longer have access to any of my previous accounts. I only can preserve this account. My original account was banned for sockpuppetry only. The first account that I created, I lost its password and created a new one and was blocked because of sockpuppetry and disruptive edits. This account stats must be satisfying to show that I no longer am disruptive. I have dealt with nearly all the issue that I had with the experience that I now carry. As you have seen that I have no sleepers, is there a way to get out of this early? Or will I be allowed to use this account after six months because I no longer have access to the previous ones. ShaanSenguptaTalk 17:57, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Every single edit you made with this account was disruptive. Every single edit you made with this account violated WP:EVADE and WP:SOCK. Again, you are far closer to a community ban than you are to being unblocked. Six months with zero edits is, frankly, the absolute minimum given your chronic violations. --Yamla (talk) 18:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Yamla Ok I will once again wait for 6 months. Just tell me one last thing, If I make the appeal after 6 months with this account, will it be considered or I will be asked to make request with original account. I have cleared that I no longer have access to any of those. ShaanSenguptaTalk 18:03, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- You need to clearly indicate you no longer have access to any other account, and why. --Yamla (talk) 18:08, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I confirm I no longer have any access to those accounts. I only had the detail of my last account in my previous mobile which I no longer have. Also I am not so good at remembering passwords. When I make the request with the standard offer after 6 months I will be making with this account only. All the rest accounts can be permanently locked. ShaanSenguptaTalk 18:12, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- You mentioned that you didn't have access to your old accounts, which is why you created this account after waiting for six months and never logged into other accounts after the creation of this one, correct? – DreamRimmer (talk) 06:47, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- @DreamRimmer no. My last blocked account JaggaDaaku. I had access only to that after it was blocked. I filed UTRS from it after waiting for 6 months. There I was asked to request from my original account, whose access I didn't had. That's why after that request got turned down I made new (this) account for a fresh start. I had access to JaggaDaaku till few months back (means after making this account). But I lost my mobile phone which had everything. And as mentioned above I am not very good at remembering passwords so right now I only have access to this account. If I gain access to my lost mobile then I may have access to JaggaDaaku which is very unlikely. ShaanSenguptaTalk 08:31, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- You created this account in May 2023, but you edited as Jagga Daaku on other wikis until 15 August 2023. If you have good intentions, why did you edit from both accounts, and why didn't you disclose earlier that Jagga Daaku is your account? – DreamRimmer (talk) 08:44, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- @DreamRimmer I didn't use this account on other wikis as JaggaDaaku was established there. And had I used two accounts on same pages it would have been a clear violation for fresh start. Also it would have given the impression that single user is using two accounts to support himself which was again wrong. But after I lost access to JD I had no option but to use only this account on other wikis too. Since I was no longer using JD, I thought its ok to not announce that. ShaanSenguptaTalk 08:49, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Sockpuppetry is a global policy that applies to all other Wikimedia projects. So, no matter if you were using two accounts on different wikis, it was still sockpuppetry. – DreamRimmer (talk) 09:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- @DreamRimmer I accept that I have made mistakes. But I was left with no choice. I waited after JD was blocked. I filed request for standard offer. But it was not accepted bcoz I didn't have access to my original account. That's why I made this one. I am once again willing to wait for 6 months, but its just that I want to continue using this account, and for that I can accept all the ways that are acceptable to the community. You can lock all those previous accounts globally too if you think I might use them on other projects. Just accept my plea so that I can use the standard offer with this account only. ShaanSenguptaTalk 09:08, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- As you mentioned, "I filed a request for a standard offer, but it was not accepted because I didn't have access to my original account. That's why I created this one." I want to advise that creating a new account despite the denial was not the right step; as a result, you have completely lost the community's trust. However, considering your desire to continue constructive editing, I have a suggestion for you: refrain from creating any new accounts in the future. Stop editing from this account today and preserve it for the future. After six months, submit a request for a standard offer. If it gets rejected, wait another six months before making another standard offer request. Continue this approach, as it is the last possible way for you to continue on Wikipedia. I cannot guarantee that you will be accepted, but I believe that admins/checkusers may consider your offer, given your willingness to volunteer and commitment to not breaking the rules again. This is my last reply here. Happy not-editing. – DreamRimmer (talk) 10:02, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- I hope this is not the blocked user. Thewikizoomer (talk) 12:58, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- Mentioned it because the edit summary. WP:DUCK Thewikizoomer (talk) 12:59, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- also the pages that they're editing. overall pattern. (limited) Thewikizoomer (talk) 13:00, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Thewikizoomer I agree that the username and edit summary match with this user, but we should assume good faith, as @Blablubbs sleeper-checked Shaan Sengupta again on January 27 and found nothing. – DreamRimmer (talk) 13:10, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- Gotcha! Thewikizoomer (talk) 13:11, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Thewikizoomer I agree that the username and edit summary match with this user, but we should assume good faith, as @Blablubbs sleeper-checked Shaan Sengupta again on January 27 and found nothing. – DreamRimmer (talk) 13:10, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- also the pages that they're editing. overall pattern. (limited) Thewikizoomer (talk) 13:00, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- Mentioned it because the edit summary. WP:DUCK Thewikizoomer (talk) 12:59, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- I hope this is not the blocked user. Thewikizoomer (talk) 12:58, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- As you mentioned, "I filed a request for a standard offer, but it was not accepted because I didn't have access to my original account. That's why I created this one." I want to advise that creating a new account despite the denial was not the right step; as a result, you have completely lost the community's trust. However, considering your desire to continue constructive editing, I have a suggestion for you: refrain from creating any new accounts in the future. Stop editing from this account today and preserve it for the future. After six months, submit a request for a standard offer. If it gets rejected, wait another six months before making another standard offer request. Continue this approach, as it is the last possible way for you to continue on Wikipedia. I cannot guarantee that you will be accepted, but I believe that admins/checkusers may consider your offer, given your willingness to volunteer and commitment to not breaking the rules again. This is my last reply here. Happy not-editing. – DreamRimmer (talk) 10:02, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- @DreamRimmer I accept that I have made mistakes. But I was left with no choice. I waited after JD was blocked. I filed request for standard offer. But it was not accepted bcoz I didn't have access to my original account. That's why I made this one. I am once again willing to wait for 6 months, but its just that I want to continue using this account, and for that I can accept all the ways that are acceptable to the community. You can lock all those previous accounts globally too if you think I might use them on other projects. Just accept my plea so that I can use the standard offer with this account only. ShaanSenguptaTalk 09:08, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Sockpuppetry is a global policy that applies to all other Wikimedia projects. So, no matter if you were using two accounts on different wikis, it was still sockpuppetry. – DreamRimmer (talk) 09:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- @DreamRimmer I didn't use this account on other wikis as JaggaDaaku was established there. And had I used two accounts on same pages it would have been a clear violation for fresh start. Also it would have given the impression that single user is using two accounts to support himself which was again wrong. But after I lost access to JD I had no option but to use only this account on other wikis too. Since I was no longer using JD, I thought its ok to not announce that. ShaanSenguptaTalk 08:49, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- You mentioned that you didn't have access to your old accounts, which is why you created this account after waiting for six months and never logged into other accounts after the creation of this one, correct? – DreamRimmer (talk) 06:47, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I confirm I no longer have any access to those accounts. I only had the detail of my last account in my previous mobile which I no longer have. Also I am not so good at remembering passwords. When I make the request with the standard offer after 6 months I will be making with this account only. All the rest accounts can be permanently locked. ShaanSenguptaTalk 18:12, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- You need to clearly indicate you no longer have access to any other account, and why. --Yamla (talk) 18:08, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Yamla Ok I will once again wait for 6 months. Just tell me one last thing, If I make the appeal after 6 months with this account, will it be considered or I will be asked to make request with original account. I have cleared that I no longer have access to any of those. ShaanSenguptaTalk 18:03, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Every single edit you made with this account was disruptive. Every single edit you made with this account violated WP:EVADE and WP:SOCK. Again, you are far closer to a community ban than you are to being unblocked. Six months with zero edits is, frankly, the absolute minimum given your chronic violations. --Yamla (talk) 18:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Yamla I did the same the last time. I went with 0 edits no new accounts. But I was told to make a request with the original account. I no longer have access to any of my previous accounts. I only can preserve this account. My original account was banned for sockpuppetry only. The first account that I created, I lost its password and created a new one and was blocked because of sockpuppetry and disruptive edits. This account stats must be satisfying to show that I no longer am disruptive. I have dealt with nearly all the issue that I had with the experience that I now carry. As you have seen that I have no sleepers, is there a way to get out of this early? Or will I be allowed to use this account after six months because I no longer have access to the previous ones. ShaanSenguptaTalk 17:57, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- This is an illegitimate example, a clear example of WP:EVADE. Your abuse of this account makes it far less likely you'll ever be unblocked. If you don't have access to your original account and can't recover the password, you need to go at least six months with zero edits, then apply for an unblock with the oldest account you still have access to. At that point, you'll need to convince us you understand your use of this account was blatantly inappropriate and deal with the issues that lead to your original block and subsequent unrelenting sockpuppetry. I'll note you are far closer to a community ban than you are to being unblocked. --Yamla (talk) 17:49, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
Thewikizoomer, DreamRimmer, Blablubbs Don't worry. You can run checks every day/week if you want. I am not making another account. I am just hoping that when I apply for standard offer after 6 months it is accepted and I am pardoned for my mistakes so that I can continue the good work that I have done until now. Since I am blocked and writing this I would request if it's right to keep an eye on 2024 Indian general election page where a user is vandalising it consistently. I even warned them on their talk page but they won't listen. Elections happen in India after 5 years so 2029 is the next after 2024 but they are repeatedly mentioning 2028. The user goes by Manaal or something. If you can fix please. I am making this single request only bcoz I came to write about SPI. See you all after 6 months. ShaanSenguptaTalk 19:26, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- You are now not eligible for WP:SO until 2024-07-28. Each time you edit this page, you reset the timer. --Yamla (talk) 20:53, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
Blocked
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Yamla (talk) 17:44, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Yamla the notice reads that multiple accounts is allowed but not for illegitimate reasons. I told you everything that was true still this is illegitimate? You said I am not eligible for a clean start. What do I need to do so that I can do editing on Wikipedia. ShaanSenguptaTalk 17:46, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- This is an illegitimate example, a clear example of WP:EVADE. Your abuse of this account makes it far less likely you'll ever be unblocked. If you don't have access to your original account and can't recover the password, you need to go at least six months with zero edits, then apply for an unblock with the oldest account you still have access to. At that point, you'll need to convince us you understand your use of this account was blatantly inappropriate and deal with the issues that lead to your original block and subsequent unrelenting sockpuppetry. I'll note you are far closer to a community ban than you are to being unblocked. --Yamla (talk) 17:49, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Yamla I did the same the last time. I went with 0 edits no new accounts. But I was told to make a request with the original account. I no longer have access to any of my previous accounts. I only can preserve this account. My original account was banned for sockpuppetry only. The first account that I created, I lost its password and created a new one and was blocked because of sockpuppetry and disruptive edits. This account stats must be satisfying to show that I no longer am disruptive. I have dealt with nearly all the issue that I had with the experience that I now carry. As you have seen that I have no sleepers, is there a way to get out of this early? Or will I be allowed to use this account after six months because I no longer have access to the previous ones. ShaanSenguptaTalk 17:57, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Every single edit you made with this account was disruptive. Every single edit you made with this account violated WP:EVADE and WP:SOCK. Again, you are far closer to a community ban than you are to being unblocked. Six months with zero edits is, frankly, the absolute minimum given your chronic violations. --Yamla (talk) 18:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Yamla Ok I will once again wait for 6 months. Just tell me one last thing, If I make the appeal after 6 months with this account, will it be considered or I will be asked to make request with original account. I have cleared that I no longer have access to any of those. ShaanSenguptaTalk 18:03, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- You need to clearly indicate you no longer have access to any other account, and why. --Yamla (talk) 18:08, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I confirm I no longer have any access to those accounts. I only had the detail of my last account in my previous mobile which I no longer have. Also I am not so good at remembering passwords. When I make the request with the standard offer after 6 months I will be making with this account only. All the rest accounts can be permanently locked. ShaanSenguptaTalk 18:12, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- You mentioned that you didn't have access to your old accounts, which is why you created this account after waiting for six months and never logged into other accounts after the creation of this one, correct? – DreamRimmer (talk) 06:47, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- @DreamRimmer no. My last blocked account JaggaDaaku. I had access only to that after it was blocked. I filed UTRS from it after waiting for 6 months. There I was asked to request from my original account, whose access I didn't had. That's why after that request got turned down I made new (this) account for a fresh start. I had access to JaggaDaaku till few months back (means after making this account). But I lost my mobile phone which had everything. And as mentioned above I am not very good at remembering passwords so right now I only have access to this account. If I gain access to my lost mobile then I may have access to JaggaDaaku which is very unlikely. ShaanSenguptaTalk 08:31, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- You created this account in May 2023, but you edited as Jagga Daaku on other wikis until 15 August 2023. If you have good intentions, why did you edit from both accounts, and why didn't you disclose earlier that Jagga Daaku is your account? – DreamRimmer (talk) 08:44, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- @DreamRimmer I didn't use this account on other wikis as JaggaDaaku was established there. And had I used two accounts on same pages it would have been a clear violation for fresh start. Also it would have given the impression that single user is using two accounts to support himself which was again wrong. But after I lost access to JD I had no option but to use only this account on other wikis too. Since I was no longer using JD, I thought its ok to not announce that. ShaanSenguptaTalk 08:49, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Sockpuppetry is a global policy that applies to all other Wikimedia projects. So, no matter if you were using two accounts on different wikis, it was still sockpuppetry. – DreamRimmer (talk) 09:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- @DreamRimmer I accept that I have made mistakes. But I was left with no choice. I waited after JD was blocked. I filed request for standard offer. But it was not accepted bcoz I didn't have access to my original account. That's why I made this one. I am once again willing to wait for 6 months, but its just that I want to continue using this account, and for that I can accept all the ways that are acceptable to the community. You can lock all those previous accounts globally too if you think I might use them on other projects. Just accept my plea so that I can use the standard offer with this account only. ShaanSenguptaTalk 09:08, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- As you mentioned, "I filed a request for a standard offer, but it was not accepted because I didn't have access to my original account. That's why I created this one." I want to advise that creating a new account despite the denial was not the right step; as a result, you have completely lost the community's trust. However, considering your desire to continue constructive editing, I have a suggestion for you: refrain from creating any new accounts in the future. Stop editing from this account today and preserve it for the future. After six months, submit a request for a standard offer. If it gets rejected, wait another six months before making another standard offer request. Continue this approach, as it is the last possible way for you to continue on Wikipedia. I cannot guarantee that you will be accepted, but I believe that admins/checkusers may consider your offer, given your willingness to volunteer and commitment to not breaking the rules again. This is my last reply here. Happy not-editing. – DreamRimmer (talk) 10:02, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- I hope this is not the blocked user. Thewikizoomer (talk) 12:58, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- Mentioned it because the edit summary. WP:DUCK Thewikizoomer (talk) 12:59, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- also the pages that they're editing. overall pattern. (limited) Thewikizoomer (talk) 13:00, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Thewikizoomer I agree that the username and edit summary match with this user, but we should assume good faith, as @Blablubbs sleeper-checked Shaan Sengupta again on January 27 and found nothing. – DreamRimmer (talk) 13:10, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- Gotcha! Thewikizoomer (talk) 13:11, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Thewikizoomer I agree that the username and edit summary match with this user, but we should assume good faith, as @Blablubbs sleeper-checked Shaan Sengupta again on January 27 and found nothing. – DreamRimmer (talk) 13:10, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- also the pages that they're editing. overall pattern. (limited) Thewikizoomer (talk) 13:00, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- Mentioned it because the edit summary. WP:DUCK Thewikizoomer (talk) 12:59, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- I hope this is not the blocked user. Thewikizoomer (talk) 12:58, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- As you mentioned, "I filed a request for a standard offer, but it was not accepted because I didn't have access to my original account. That's why I created this one." I want to advise that creating a new account despite the denial was not the right step; as a result, you have completely lost the community's trust. However, considering your desire to continue constructive editing, I have a suggestion for you: refrain from creating any new accounts in the future. Stop editing from this account today and preserve it for the future. After six months, submit a request for a standard offer. If it gets rejected, wait another six months before making another standard offer request. Continue this approach, as it is the last possible way for you to continue on Wikipedia. I cannot guarantee that you will be accepted, but I believe that admins/checkusers may consider your offer, given your willingness to volunteer and commitment to not breaking the rules again. This is my last reply here. Happy not-editing. – DreamRimmer (talk) 10:02, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- @DreamRimmer I accept that I have made mistakes. But I was left with no choice. I waited after JD was blocked. I filed request for standard offer. But it was not accepted bcoz I didn't have access to my original account. That's why I made this one. I am once again willing to wait for 6 months, but its just that I want to continue using this account, and for that I can accept all the ways that are acceptable to the community. You can lock all those previous accounts globally too if you think I might use them on other projects. Just accept my plea so that I can use the standard offer with this account only. ShaanSenguptaTalk 09:08, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Sockpuppetry is a global policy that applies to all other Wikimedia projects. So, no matter if you were using two accounts on different wikis, it was still sockpuppetry. – DreamRimmer (talk) 09:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- @DreamRimmer I didn't use this account on other wikis as JaggaDaaku was established there. And had I used two accounts on same pages it would have been a clear violation for fresh start. Also it would have given the impression that single user is using two accounts to support himself which was again wrong. But after I lost access to JD I had no option but to use only this account on other wikis too. Since I was no longer using JD, I thought its ok to not announce that. ShaanSenguptaTalk 08:49, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- You mentioned that you didn't have access to your old accounts, which is why you created this account after waiting for six months and never logged into other accounts after the creation of this one, correct? – DreamRimmer (talk) 06:47, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I confirm I no longer have any access to those accounts. I only had the detail of my last account in my previous mobile which I no longer have. Also I am not so good at remembering passwords. When I make the request with the standard offer after 6 months I will be making with this account only. All the rest accounts can be permanently locked. ShaanSenguptaTalk 18:12, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- You need to clearly indicate you no longer have access to any other account, and why. --Yamla (talk) 18:08, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Yamla Ok I will once again wait for 6 months. Just tell me one last thing, If I make the appeal after 6 months with this account, will it be considered or I will be asked to make request with original account. I have cleared that I no longer have access to any of those. ShaanSenguptaTalk 18:03, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Every single edit you made with this account was disruptive. Every single edit you made with this account violated WP:EVADE and WP:SOCK. Again, you are far closer to a community ban than you are to being unblocked. Six months with zero edits is, frankly, the absolute minimum given your chronic violations. --Yamla (talk) 18:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Yamla I did the same the last time. I went with 0 edits no new accounts. But I was told to make a request with the original account. I no longer have access to any of my previous accounts. I only can preserve this account. My original account was banned for sockpuppetry only. The first account that I created, I lost its password and created a new one and was blocked because of sockpuppetry and disruptive edits. This account stats must be satisfying to show that I no longer am disruptive. I have dealt with nearly all the issue that I had with the experience that I now carry. As you have seen that I have no sleepers, is there a way to get out of this early? Or will I be allowed to use this account after six months because I no longer have access to the previous ones. ShaanSenguptaTalk 17:57, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- This is an illegitimate example, a clear example of WP:EVADE. Your abuse of this account makes it far less likely you'll ever be unblocked. If you don't have access to your original account and can't recover the password, you need to go at least six months with zero edits, then apply for an unblock with the oldest account you still have access to. At that point, you'll need to convince us you understand your use of this account was blatantly inappropriate and deal with the issues that lead to your original block and subsequent unrelenting sockpuppetry. I'll note you are far closer to a community ban than you are to being unblocked. --Yamla (talk) 17:49, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
Thewikizoomer, DreamRimmer, Blablubbs Don't worry. You can run checks every day/week if you want. I am not making another account. I am just hoping that when I apply for standard offer after 6 months it is accepted and I am pardoned for my mistakes so that I can continue the good work that I have done until now. Since I am blocked and writing this I would request if it's right to keep an eye on 2024 Indian general election page where a user is vandalising it consistently. I even warned them on their talk page but they won't listen. Elections happen in India after 5 years so 2029 is the next after 2024 but they are repeatedly mentioning 2028. The user goes by Manaal or something. If you can fix please. I am making this single request only bcoz I came to write about SPI. See you all after 6 months. ShaanSenguptaTalk 19:26, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- You are now not eligible for WP:SO until 2024-07-28. Each time you edit this page, you reset the timer. --Yamla (talk) 20:53, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
Blocked
| | This account has been blocked indefinitely as a sockpuppet that was created to violate Wikipedia policy. Note that using multiple accounts is allowed, but using them for illegitimate reasons is not, and that all edits made while evading a block or ban may be reverted or deleted. If this account is not a sockpuppet, and you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the text {{unblock|Your reason here ~~~~}} below. |
Yamla (talk) 17:44, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Yamla the notice reads that multiple accounts is allowed but not for illegitimate reasons. I told you everything that was true still this is illegitimate? You said I am not eligible for a clean start. What do I need to do so that I can do editing on Wikipedia. ShaanSenguptaTalk 17:46, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- This is an illegitimate example, a clear example of WP:EVADE. Your abuse of this account makes it far less likely you'll ever be unblocked. If you don't have access to your original account and can't recover the password, you need to go at least six months with zero edits, then apply for an unblock with the oldest account you still have access to. At that point, you'll need to convince us you understand your use of this account was blatantly inappropriate and deal with the issues that lead to your original block and subsequent unrelenting sockpuppetry. I'll note you are far closer to a community ban than you are to being unblocked. --Yamla (talk) 17:49, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Yamla I did the same the last time. I went with 0 edits no new accounts. But I was told to make a request with the original account. I no longer have access to any of my previous accounts. I only can preserve this account. My original account was banned for sockpuppetry only. The first account that I created, I lost its password and created a new one and was blocked because of sockpuppetry and disruptive edits. This account stats must be satisfying to show that I no longer am disruptive. I have dealt with nearly all the issue that I had with the experience that I now carry. As you have seen that I have no sleepers, is there a way to get out of this early? Or will I be allowed to use this account after six months because I no longer have access to the previous ones. ShaanSenguptaTalk 17:57, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Every single edit you made with this account was disruptive. Every single edit you made with this account violated WP:EVADE and WP:SOCK. Again, you are far closer to a community ban than you are to being unblocked. Six months with zero edits is, frankly, the absolute minimum given your chronic violations. --Yamla (talk) 18:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Yamla Ok I will once again wait for 6 months. Just tell me one last thing, If I make the appeal after 6 months with this account, will it be considered or I will be asked to make request with original account. I have cleared that I no longer have access to any of those. ShaanSenguptaTalk 18:03, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- You need to clearly indicate you no longer have access to any other account, and why. --Yamla (talk) 18:08, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I confirm I no longer have any access to those accounts. I only had the detail of my last account in my previous mobile which I no longer have. Also I am not so good at remembering passwords. When I make the request with the standard offer after 6 months I will be making with this account only. All the rest accounts can be permanently locked. ShaanSenguptaTalk 18:12, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- You mentioned that you didn't have access to your old accounts, which is why you created this account after waiting for six months and never logged into other accounts after the creation of this one, correct? – DreamRimmer (talk) 06:47, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- @DreamRimmer no. My last blocked account JaggaDaaku. I had access only to that after it was blocked. I filed UTRS from it after waiting for 6 months. There I was asked to request from my original account, whose access I didn't had. That's why after that request got turned down I made new (this) account for a fresh start. I had access to JaggaDaaku till few months back (means after making this account). But I lost my mobile phone which had everything. And as mentioned above I am not very good at remembering passwords so right now I only have access to this account. If I gain access to my lost mobile then I may have access to JaggaDaaku which is very unlikely. ShaanSenguptaTalk 08:31, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- You created this account in May 2023, but you edited as Jagga Daaku on other wikis until 15 August 2023. If you have good intentions, why did you edit from both accounts, and why didn't you disclose earlier that Jagga Daaku is your account? – DreamRimmer (talk) 08:44, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- @DreamRimmer I didn't use this account on other wikis as JaggaDaaku was established there. And had I used two accounts on same pages it would have been a clear violation for fresh start. Also it would have given the impression that single user is using two accounts to support himself which was again wrong. But after I lost access to JD I had no option but to use only this account on other wikis too. Since I was no longer using JD, I thought its ok to not announce that. ShaanSenguptaTalk 08:49, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Sockpuppetry is a global policy that applies to all other Wikimedia projects. So, no matter if you were using two accounts on different wikis, it was still sockpuppetry. – DreamRimmer (talk) 09:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- @DreamRimmer I accept that I have made mistakes. But I was left with no choice. I waited after JD was blocked. I filed request for standard offer. But it was not accepted bcoz I didn't have access to my original account. That's why I made this one. I am once again willing to wait for 6 months, but its just that I want to continue using this account, and for that I can accept all the ways that are acceptable to the community. You can lock all those previous accounts globally too if you think I might use them on other projects. Just accept my plea so that I can use the standard offer with this account only. ShaanSenguptaTalk 09:08, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- As you mentioned, "I filed a request for a standard offer, but it was not accepted because I didn't have access to my original account. That's why I created this one." I want to advise that creating a new account despite the denial was not the right step; as a result, you have completely lost the community's trust. However, considering your desire to continue constructive editing, I have a suggestion for you: refrain from creating any new accounts in the future. Stop editing from this account today and preserve it for the future. After six months, submit a request for a standard offer. If it gets rejected, wait another six months before making another standard offer request. Continue this approach, as it is the last possible way for you to continue on Wikipedia. I cannot guarantee that you will be accepted, but I believe that admins/checkusers may consider your offer, given your willingness to volunteer and commitment to not breaking the rules again. This is my last reply here. Happy not-editing. – DreamRimmer (talk) 10:02, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- I hope this is not the blocked user. Thewikizoomer (talk) 12:58, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- Mentioned it because the edit summary. WP:DUCK Thewikizoomer (talk) 12:59, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- also the pages that they're editing. overall pattern. (limited) Thewikizoomer (talk) 13:00, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Thewikizoomer I agree that the username and edit summary match with this user, but we should assume good faith, as @Blablubbs sleeper-checked Shaan Sengupta again on January 27 and found nothing. – DreamRimmer (talk) 13:10, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- Gotcha! Thewikizoomer (talk) 13:11, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Thewikizoomer I agree that the username and edit summary match with this user, but we should assume good faith, as @Blablubbs sleeper-checked Shaan Sengupta again on January 27 and found nothing. – DreamRimmer (talk) 13:10, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- also the pages that they're editing. overall pattern. (limited) Thewikizoomer (talk) 13:00, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- Mentioned it because the edit summary. WP:DUCK Thewikizoomer (talk) 12:59, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- I hope this is not the blocked user. Thewikizoomer (talk) 12:58, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- As you mentioned, "I filed a request for a standard offer, but it was not accepted because I didn't have access to my original account. That's why I created this one." I want to advise that creating a new account despite the denial was not the right step; as a result, you have completely lost the community's trust. However, considering your desire to continue constructive editing, I have a suggestion for you: refrain from creating any new accounts in the future. Stop editing from this account today and preserve it for the future. After six months, submit a request for a standard offer. If it gets rejected, wait another six months before making another standard offer request. Continue this approach, as it is the last possible way for you to continue on Wikipedia. I cannot guarantee that you will be accepted, but I believe that admins/checkusers may consider your offer, given your willingness to volunteer and commitment to not breaking the rules again. This is my last reply here. Happy not-editing. – DreamRimmer (talk) 10:02, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- @DreamRimmer I accept that I have made mistakes. But I was left with no choice. I waited after JD was blocked. I filed request for standard offer. But it was not accepted bcoz I didn't have access to my original account. That's why I made this one. I am once again willing to wait for 6 months, but its just that I want to continue using this account, and for that I can accept all the ways that are acceptable to the community. You can lock all those previous accounts globally too if you think I might use them on other projects. Just accept my plea so that I can use the standard offer with this account only. ShaanSenguptaTalk 09:08, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Sockpuppetry is a global policy that applies to all other Wikimedia projects. So, no matter if you were using two accounts on different wikis, it was still sockpuppetry. – DreamRimmer (talk) 09:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- @DreamRimmer I didn't use this account on other wikis as JaggaDaaku was established there. And had I used two accounts on same pages it would have been a clear violation for fresh start. Also it would have given the impression that single user is using two accounts to support himself which was again wrong. But after I lost access to JD I had no option but to use only this account on other wikis too. Since I was no longer using JD, I thought its ok to not announce that. ShaanSenguptaTalk 08:49, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- You mentioned that you didn't have access to your old accounts, which is why you created this account after waiting for six months and never logged into other accounts after the creation of this one, correct? – DreamRimmer (talk) 06:47, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I confirm I no longer have any access to those accounts. I only had the detail of my last account in my previous mobile which I no longer have. Also I am not so good at remembering passwords. When I make the request with the standard offer after 6 months I will be making with this account only. All the rest accounts can be permanently locked. ShaanSenguptaTalk 18:12, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- You need to clearly indicate you no longer have access to any other account, and why. --Yamla (talk) 18:08, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Yamla Ok I will once again wait for 6 months. Just tell me one last thing, If I make the appeal after 6 months with this account, will it be considered or I will be asked to make request with original account. I have cleared that I no longer have access to any of those. ShaanSenguptaTalk 18:03, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Every single edit you made with this account was disruptive. Every single edit you made with this account violated WP:EVADE and WP:SOCK. Again, you are far closer to a community ban than you are to being unblocked. Six months with zero edits is, frankly, the absolute minimum given your chronic violations. --Yamla (talk) 18:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Yamla I did the same the last time. I went with 0 edits no new accounts. But I was told to make a request with the original account. I no longer have access to any of my previous accounts. I only can preserve this account. My original account was banned for sockpuppetry only. The first account that I created, I lost its password and created a new one and was blocked because of sockpuppetry and disruptive edits. This account stats must be satisfying to show that I no longer am disruptive. I have dealt with nearly all the issue that I had with the experience that I now carry. As you have seen that I have no sleepers, is there a way to get out of this early? Or will I be allowed to use this account after six months because I no longer have access to the previous ones. ShaanSenguptaTalk 17:57, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- This is an illegitimate example, a clear example of WP:EVADE. Your abuse of this account makes it far less likely you'll ever be unblocked. If you don't have access to your original account and can't recover the password, you need to go at least six months with zero edits, then apply for an unblock with the oldest account you still have access to. At that point, you'll need to convince us you understand your use of this account was blatantly inappropriate and deal with the issues that lead to your original block and subsequent unrelenting sockpuppetry. I'll note you are far closer to a community ban than you are to being unblocked. --Yamla (talk) 17:49, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
Thewikizoomer, DreamRimmer, Blablubbs Don't worry. You can run checks every day/week if you want. I am not making another account. I am just hoping that when I apply for standard offer after 6 months it is accepted and I am pardoned for my mistakes so that I can continue the good work that I have done until now. Since I am blocked and writing this I would request if it's right to keep an eye on 2024 Indian general election page where a user is vandalising it consistently. I even warned them on their talk page but they won't listen. Elections happen in India after 5 years so 2029 is the next after 2024 but they are repeatedly mentioning 2028. The user goes by Manaal or something. If you can fix please. I am making this single request only bcoz I came to write about SPI. See you all after 6 months. ShaanSenguptaTalk 19:26, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- You are now not eligible for WP:SO until 2024-07-28. Each time you edit this page, you reset the timer. --Yamla (talk) 20:53, 28 January 2024 (UTC)