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Series default format?

I there, I have a query to ask you. (Lordtobi) stylises a series of a video game franchise with the word series in the hyperlink. For example, Sonic the Hedgehog as Sonic the Hedgehog series. However, I was under the impression that it should be stylised as Sonic the Hedgehog series. What should be the default format to avoid edit wars? Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 09:37, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

See this edit for context. -- ferret (talk) 13:48, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

I don't recall the exact link for proof, and I'm short on time at the moment, but the current consensus supports Iftek's version, not Tobi's version. While linking the word "series" isn't the end of the world, the word "series should not be in italics because it's not a part of the actual title. Sergecross73 msg me 14:51, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

It looks like neither of them is putting "series" in italics. The question seems to be whether "series" is part of the wikilink itself or outside. -- ferret (talk) 15:24, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your insight Sergecross73. Your opinions and feedback is always appreciated. By the way, you can abbreviate my name to Ifte. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 16:44, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

The format I use is the one I have always seen being used; when Ifte reverted me, he linked me to Square Enix Europe and Atlus, both of which had been edited prior to match his version. Since there is no firm guideline on this [at least as far as I know], the consensus really decides on what to do. Also, as Ifte asked, "What should be the default format to avoid edit wars?"—The first step to avoid warring is to not edit war; as this discussion was running, you quickly changed back what I did. As I wanted to avoid edit warring, I only fixed the WP:VLIST violation you reproduced by putting <br/>, replacing the {{Unbulleted list}} template. However, seemingly you ignored what I linked and edit warringly reverted me again. Please try to avoid such situations in the future. Lordtobi (✉) 19:33, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Lordtobi, I do apologise for not being aware of the WP:VLIST. It was not until now that I even knew it existed as the majority of previous edits for franchise lists have not used them. However, fact of the matter is, this post has been mutually agreed that a series of a video game franchise should not be in the hyperlink of the franchise (nor should the word "series" be in italics). That is why I reverted your last Square Enix Europe edit, it is because you still kept the word series in the hyperlink when it shouldn't be (it was nothing to do with the listing format). Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 21:29, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

I'm not convinced that anyone has really agreed with you. Serge said its "not the end of the world" for the word series to be in the link. I think he was more focused on italics, but that's not an issue with either of your versions. -- ferret (talk) 22:26, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

I won't have time until tomorrow to look into it, but I will then. Pretty sure the preferred way is not to link series, but it's one of those things I've done for so long that I don't remember the guideline anymore. Sergecross73 msg me 02:35, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Lordtobi, Have you not read Sergecross73 first response? He literally said "The current consensus supports Iftek's version, not Tobi's version!". How is that not convincing for you? Look, the edit reverts I made were in response to this topic (and not out of "personal preference" or "vandalism"), had the majority agreed that linking series in the hyperlink is the default format, I wouldn't have reverted your edit. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 11:39, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Note that, at the point your edit was made, I was not given insight on any discussion running. For some reason, you started a discussion about me on someone's talk page without notifying me. Therefore, you reverted my edit without me knowing what Serge has said. Besides, I have net yet seen where the consensus comes from; Serge belives to have seen it but we will have to put up until he finds the source he would need us to see. Lordtobi (✉) 17:47, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

@Iftekharahmed96, Ferret, and Sergecross73: Just dropping at note that Serge has opened a new, public discussion on the topic at WT:VG#"Series" formatting. Please refer to that one for further comments. Lordtobi (✉) 22:32, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry, I got tired of browsing through guideline pages on mobile and figured I'd just ask... Sergecross73 msg me 22:55, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

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It's been four years, today.

Wishing Sergecross73 a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Chris Troutman (talk) 21:01, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Already!! :D ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 21:03, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Wow, as much as I enjoy keeping stats on stuff, I hadn't even noticed it was 4 years today. Thanks! Salv, looks like you're next! Sergecross73 msg me 21:19, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for helping me on Dragon Coins

It means a lot! --LinkDirectory5000 (talk) 16:15, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

No problem. I just hate it when people target video game or music related articles for deletion without doing proper research into it first. And when people don't agree with me, I tend to resort to rewriting the article. It looks like it won't be deleted, but it wouldn't hurt if you added a bolded Keep in there for good measure. You've already made comments showing you're against deletion, but it's customary to put your stance in bold to make it clear. Sergecross73 msg me 03:58, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Image for Dragon Coins

(Also pinging @LinkDirectory5000:.) i notice that the logo on this article was deleted. Copyrighted logos like this are a special case when it comes to images on Wikipedia. Deletions like this normally happen because either the image was not loaded with the right licence, or it was uploaded to Wikimedia Commons rather than to Wikipedia itself. I have uploaded an image which should "stick" in its place. I hope the image I used is acceptable: because the old image had been removed, I can't see it any more - from memory I think this one is similar; it came from the Dragon Coins FaceBook page. If there are any problems with it, please let me know.--Gronk Oz (talk) 03:01, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for you assistance. I actually don't deal with images much on Wikipedia, so I can't really make a good call on it, but if it gets deleted, let me know and we can ask the WikiProject for help. Thanks! Sergecross73 msg me 03:58, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Help me with 2 timeline

please redoing the timeline of Maylene and the Sons of Disaster and Vital Remains with all the session members in the all albums, with all the touring members and actually touring (see the official page facebook of the band) and the correct band list :) because my computer have a problems with this timeline — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.34.112.218 (talk) 22:00, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

I don't really work on those timelines much, and as such, it takes a lot of effort for me to make even minor tweaks on them, so I'm probably not the ideal person to help with this. But I will say that we typically don't add touring or sessions musicians because they clutter up the timelines too much. So I'd advise against that, if that's what you're trying to say... Sergecross73 msg me 22:16, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

IM BACK!!!!

Hello SergeCross73. IM BACK!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by PlaystationX (talk • contribs) 04:58, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

• Sergecross, who is this? Drmies (talk) 05:03, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

• Drmies - Short version - a minor vandal from years ago who seems to come back here and there only to be blocked immediately for blatant vandalism. Long version: PlaystationX signed his vandalism as PlaystationOfAEra who is an editor I vaguely remember from 2013. He has very few edits, but the link in his block log summary shows he edited under an IP as well, which lead me to this exchange with him about a year ago. That's about as far back as I bothered to dig up... Sergecross73 msg me 14:36, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

• *le sigh* OK, let me know if there's vandalism or harassment again, and I'll do what little we admins can do. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:44, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Elma page?

Hey Sergecross73!

Do you think it would be okay for me to create a page for Elma? I just saw your page for Lin Lee. Elma is pretty much the main character of the story, so I feel like she deserves her own article. --MomoQca (talk) 13:57, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

• Well, it could be risky. Basically, the standard by which its okay for something to have its own article on Wikipedia is having multiple, third party sources discussing a subject in-depth. So, not Nintendo/Monolith Soft related ones, but ones like your IGN, Eurogamer, and other ones found at WP:VG/S.
• Lin Lee had a bunch of websites writing articles dedicated specifically to her due to her the changes in her outfit, accusations of censorship, etc. Websites also wrote articles about her voice actor Cassandra Morris discussing her audition and approach to voicing her character. I'm not sure if the same sort of coverage exists out there for Elma, and there's a few Wikipedia editors who comb through the fictional character articles pretty closely, pretty liberally proposing they be merged back to the game article...so you'd want a good case in your defense if that were to happen. If you didn't have any sources dedicated to Elma, that'd be a hard argument to win.
• You're free to hunt for sources discussing her in significant detail, and present them here, and I can give you my opinion on whether or not you're on the right track. If you find the right sort of sourcing, I'd help you with the article, but I'm pretty sure I did a preliminary search and felt there wasn't enough out there to write an article. But hey, there's rumors of a Xenoblade X port for the Nintendo Switch, so if there isn't enough sourcing now, perhaps there will be in the future after that releases too. I didn't have enough to write a Shulk article until around the time of the announcement of him being in Smash Bros and the Xenoblade 3D re-release. Sergecross73 msg me 14:16, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Fair enough. Even I had difficulty finding anything substantial relating to Elma. Hopefully that will change once the Switch port and/or direct sequel is formally announced. --MomoQca (talk) 22:25, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for understanding, MomoQca. I do feel your pain - I've wanted to create a Fiora (Xenoblade) article, and a few other similar ones, but haven't been able to find anything substantial in the way of sourcing... Sergecross73 msg me 00:20, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Compilations in the Sonic series

I've recently been working on improving the page Compilations in the Sonic series. There's an issue with sourcing I'm having, though. Sonic PC Collection doesn't have a source. The game does exist (I checked Ebay and it does show up), but I'm not sure if I should source that site. Sonic Retro lists the game but I know that shouldn't be considered reliable, either. Should I delete the game's section, or source Ebay? (TheJoebro64 (talk) 21:58, 29 November 2016 (UTC))

• (talk page stalker) I did a search and found this: http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/09/sega-brings-sonic-collection-to-pc/ --IDV^talk 22:01, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
• (talk page stalker)(edit conflict) Gameplanet.co.nz is considered a reliable source and has a directory listing at this link. It's not much, but its enough to show it exists. As information, I found it using the custom Google search listed at WP:VG/RS, which has a list of vetted reliable sources for video games. There were not many hits, unfortunately. Edit conflict note: IDV's source is much better. Kotaku's AU site isn't in our custom search, apparently. -- ferret (talk) 22:04, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
• Thanks guys! I sourced both just in case.(TheJoebro64 (talk) 22:15, 29 November 2016 (UTC))

Thanks to all my talk page help! :) Sergecross73 msg me 00:22, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Citing

Please don't leave bare references. be sure to cite them. I'm referring to Kocytean -- which I have since fixed.

this tool is also handy. Reflinks - just put the link in and it does it for you. --Jennica✿ ^{talk / contribs} 14:50, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Jennica: What you've done isn't really building a complete citation, though. It's still just a URL with a title. Reflinks isn't nearly as functional as it used to be years ago. Use Refill to build more complete CS1 citations. -- ferret (talk) 15:11, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

@Ferret: - thanks very much, I didn't know about this tool. --Jennica✿ ^{talk / contribs} 15:13, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: Reflinks used to build a full cite web, but a few years ago there was a big to-do about how tool servers were funded, and Reflinks went away for a while. Refill was developed during this time. The new Reflinks you linked above appears to only add a title to the URL, while Refill attempts to build a full citation. Just keep an eye on it, it can make mistakes or miss details (Like first and last name of author). But it's very helpful in getting citations built. -- ferret (talk) 15:17, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

@Sergecross73: - What is your aversion to properly citing sources? An admin should know better to be honest. --Jennica✿ / ^talk 22:36, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: Please note that WP:BAREURLS is an essay, not a policy or guideline. Full citations are certainly preferred, but a bare URL is definitely better than unsourced content. I'd also like to point out that you don't seem to have fully read my advice above about reFill. You have not been taking the time to complete any details missed by reFill. For example, during this reFill edit, reFill missed the author on the second. It's up to the editor using reFill to catch these omissions and fill in the details. Otherwise it's still not a complete citation. -- ferret (talk) 22:43, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Apologies for not responding on your first comment on this, Jennica, but I couldn't really come up with a nice way of saying something to the capacity of "Thanks, but no thanks." I prefer to keep things moving and work on other things instead. As Ferret says above, it is not a requirement to do them a certain way as long as you do them, and there's many people in the areas I work in that offer to do it for me much of the time, so it's fine. I think you're the only person in my past 8 years to give me a hard time about this (that I recall), so that's probably another testament to it not being a big deal... Sergecross73 msg me 23:59, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

It's just a little ironic to me that you are an admin and are supposed to uphold the rules of Wikipedia/do things correctly, etc. To me, doing a complete reference is the correct way - since there's a whole wikiproject for cleaning Wikipedia up and fixing citations... and it's ridiculously easy. It screams laziness. I would expect this from a new user. I mean, all you have to do is click on the cite web button, plop the link in and push the magnifying button to generate a title. What's so hard about it? It does cause problems.. WP:BAREURLS: "Bare URLs are subject to link rot.", "Most importantly, do not add bare URLs to articles—always create full citations with title, author, date, publisher, etc.". --Jennica✿ / ^talk 00:08, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

I do uphold the rules, it's just that there aren't any actual rules in regards to bare refs. I'm sorry my years of volunteering my free time do not meet your personal expectations. I apologize for not doing FAs and DYKs in advance, it's probably disheartening I dont do those either. Sergecross73 msg me 00:27, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Again, WP:BAREURLS is an essay, not a guideline or policy. Jennica, if you are going to quote BAREURLS to Sergecross, I hope you'll take to heart my comments to you about filling in the missing data. Reflinks only added title, leaving out date, author, publisher, etc. Refill does a better, but incomplete job. Those who use it are expected to review the edit and fix any mistakes or omissions the tool makes. You are lecturing Sergecross about something you yourself are not fully following. -- ferret (talk) 01:52, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

@Ferret: ??? this isn't even about that. it's about him not even using the cite web function to create a full reference. I make an effort to not leave bare references and cleaning them up. the opposite of what he's doing. it's not all that important anyways, according the rules. --Jennica✿ / ^talk 16:55, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Your citations are much less detailed than anyone else who fleshed out my bare urls. They don't even overtly mention the website's name in them. They're almost a step backwards in that regard - I prefer the websites names to be in plain sight, especially considering how much I work on articles that meet the GNG but often fly under the mainstream radar. Sergecross73 msg me 17:00, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Regarding news.

Regarding my edit on Super Mario Run, I'm trying to keep information up to date as news comes in. For example: If there are video games released on platforms such as PlayStation 4, Wii U, or Xbox One, I try to include an appropriate reference towards that particular release. It seems that I'm the only one editing information on those game pages. Besides that, what are we going to do with my previous edit regarding Reggie Fils-Aimé's comment on the Super Mario Run and Nintendo Swich's news? Zacharyalejandro (talk) 00:54, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Regarding your edit, the problem this that it's not reception - reception info present some sort of judgement call on the subject - like a review or a hands on preview - saying it's good, bad, etc. You could add it to the development section, but even then, it may be removed as unnecessary - as it was never really announced or expected to be put on any other platforms. Sergecross73 msg me 01:26, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga#Sonic and Pokémon credits

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga#Sonic and Pokémon credits. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 04:01, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Dragon Slayer & The Legend of Heroes

Hello there. I've left a message relating to the fusion of the two templates. Template talk: Dragon Slayer & The Legend of Heroes series — Preceding unsigned comment added by DarkKyoushu (talk • contribs) 01:14, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Sonic Gems Collection

I've been making a page for Sonic Gems Collection. Can you help? I need infoboxes and an expanded reception section. I can do most of it, but I wanted to know if you could help me with the infoboxes. I want a picture of the boxart, too, but it's copyrighted, so I can't use it because I don't have a license. (TheJoebro64 (talk) 02:11, 8 December 2016 (UTC))

Wow, I'm surprised that didn't have its own article. Yeah, I can help with the article some, though I don't really do much in the way of images. Once it's an actual article, we can tag it as needing the cover art or a screenshot, and someone will eventually come by and help. Sergecross73 msg me 02:49, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Here's my user page for it: User:TheJoebro64/Sonic Gems Collection (TheJoebro64 (talk) 12:16, 8 December 2016 (UTC))

I think the page is ready to be used as a full Wikipedia page; how do I change the Redirect?(TheJoebro64 (talk) 20:09, 10 December 2016 (UTC))

Yeah, it still needs some tweaks, but I think it's good enough that people won't try to delete or merge it back. I'll give it a once over review and move it into the mainspace, though I probably won't be able to until Monday. Sergecross73 msg me 00:20, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

I moved it to mainspace, and a few catagories and fixed references have been made since. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheJoebro64 (talk • contribs) 13:06, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Suspicious user

I just spent some time working on Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/PlaystationOfAEra. It was created by a newly registered user (RickyCooper101) and it mentions you. No idea whether this LTA is warranted or not, but you might want to take a look. Sro23 (talk) 04:58, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

@Sro23: More than likely, RickyCooper101 is PlaystationOfAEra. Following a talk conversation earlier this month between Sergecross and Drmies, during which it was mentioned one of the socks might have been Bambifan101, POAE (For simplicity) began incorporating "Bambi" and "101" into their users names. I suspect the LTA page is an attempt to claim fame. Might be worth deleting as a result. -- ferret (talk) 12:26, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

I've blocked and deleted. He's not a LTA, he's just a child that seems to get bored on Christmas Break every year or something. All he generally does is say something stupid on my talk page, and get blocked. That's hardly any sort of abuse that needs tracking. Thanks for bringing the report to my attention. Sergecross73 msg me 13:13, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

I added that last IP to this list Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/2607:FB90:A025:56C3:6F1A:1DC3:6173:E38F, what are your thoughts? This person has been really persistent today... Chrissymad ❯❯❯ Talk 18:24, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

I've already blocked that last IP. Thanks for reverting them. The IP was likely another sock of "PlayStationofAEra" or whatever, but I can't tell if its related to your SPI or not... Sergecross73 msg me 18:30, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Long term abuse vandal

There is a vandal on Wikipedia who is vandalizing articles — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:302:D114:C9A0:5890:78D8:238A:DDCE (talk) 21:03, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

I...uh, appreciate the concern, but you're going to have to be more specific if you want me to look into this further. Sergecross73 msg me 21:23, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm trying to say, there were spam articles in long term abuse, someone who's name shall not be mentioned is at it again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:302:D114:C9A0:5890:78D8:238A:DDCE (talk) 21:28, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

If you're not going to get more specific, I don't know exactly what the point of this discussion is... Sergecross73 msg me 21:36, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

The point is, PlayStationOfAnEra is back and he's making spam long term abuse articles. Can you do a rangeblock on him?

--2602:302:D114:C9A0:5890:78D8:238A:DDCE (talk) 22:02, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

The only person who things PlayStationOfAEra is a LTA is PlayStationOfAEra. Who I'm guessing is you. I don't understand yours/his obsession with trying to get put on the LTA list - its not an accomplishment or a sign of infamy. 99.99% of the world is not even aware of it. It takes very little time to block him and clean up his mess, so the only one who is wasting their time is you/him. Sergecross73 msg me 22:17, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Serge, the IP in this section is from the same city/state as the last IP used by PSOAE. -- ferret (talk) 22:22, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I assumed it was him from the first comment, but figured I'd engage first just in case it was a random innocent IP instead. Sergecross73 msg me 00:31, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Reliable sources

Is Sonic Cult a reliable source? Dissdent93 says we're not supposed to use Sonic Stadium or TSSZ News, and you and The1337gamer have said Sonic Retro's wiki isn't reliable either.(TheJoebro64 (talk) 20:18, 14 December 2016 (UTC))

No, it isn't. Usually anything that's a fansite (ie anything that has Sonic's name right in the name of the website) are generally not going to be a reliable source. They're usually just written/maintained by random fans without any credentials, rather than actual journalists. Sergecross73 msg me 20:39, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Yeah I had to remove TSSZ News from Sonic CD, and the Sonic Retro wiki from Sonic & Knuckles. I wasn't sure if I could use Sonic Cult. (TheJoebro64 (talk) 18:07, 15 December 2016 (UTC))

Yeah, I've noticed TSSZ used relatively frequently on Wikipedia - I don't think people know what it stands for (and if they did, they'd know its a fansite). Sergecross73 msg me 18:25, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

The World Ends With You and Xenogears in the Square Enix franchise boxes

I can understand the reason as to why you've removed The World Ends With You and Xenogears from the Square Enix franchise page, however, I do have one particular query regarding this. The World Ends With You was directly in Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance and Xenogears was in World of Final Fantasy with Weltall (Fei's Xenogear). Surely, these two intellectual properties are now "franchises" because they have been represented more than once in alternate video game mediums? Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 17:48, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

No, minor cameos in other games do not make it a franchise. The Xenogears one especially seems like a stretch. There's not even a Xenogears story arc or even characters from it, right? Weltall's just a non-sentient vehicle thing, and doesn't it just show up for a summon or something? That's extremely minor. Sergecross73 msg me 18:04, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Sorry for the late response, I've been busy at work. Thanks for clarifying that minor cameos does not create a series. As far as the Xenogears cameo goes, Weltall is integral to the plot of Xenogears as it's the catalyst for Fei's journey. There are moments in the narrative in which it acts in its own accord. And yes, you're right in that it does show up as a summon albeit in its final form in World of Final Fantasy. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 09:59, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes, while Weltall is certanly an important aspect of Xenogears, its just that its barely a part of WoFF at all. Sergecross73 msg me 14:04, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

I see. In that context, you're completely correct. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 14:24, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Album ratings

I know if a reviewer awards something a rating of "4" (expressed in digits not starts) on a scale of 5, and you should simply write it as "4" or "4/5" in the article. However, publications like Tiny Mix Tapes use red dots and PopMatters use a scale of 10 stars instead of 5, these websites do have templates how to use them, but if I add these scores from these websites in the album review template, would that go against the guidelines? TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 19:15, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure. I've seen people argue about it, and I don't know what the end result was, but I don't really see the issue - a score of 3/5, 6/10, 3 out of five stars, and three out of five red dots all express the same exact value, so it doesn't really matter. I say add whatever way you want, and if someone switches it, so be it - it's the same thing. (Was that your question? I wasn't entirely sure if this was what you were asking or not.) Sergecross73 msg me 01:29, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

That's pretty much it, as long what the source says, but however, I don't support publications such as XXL, HipHopDX and Fact shouldn't be using star ratings, when those websites themselves doesn't use star ratings at all. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 20:46, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Game Genie

Why aren't we supposed to use Game Genie hacking as a source? I understand if it's original research or not reliable, but why? (TheJoebro64 (talk) 12:13, 21 December 2016 (UTC))

(talk page stalker) Because it's original research. You, the editor inserting the material, have essentially done the research. You are not a reliable source with editorial control and a reputation for fact checking, and no verifiable reliable source has been provided. Please read WP:OR for the details. -- ferret (talk) 12:22, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes, it's essentially what ferret is saying above. You can technically cite games directly, but that's mostly just used as a means to cite particular story details. Additionally, you have to remember that we're not writing for the "Hardcore Sonic Super-Fans". Wikipedia is supposed to be written for general audiences - equally understandable whether or not its being read by a gamer, or your grandfather, or your little sister. Much of the time on Wikipedia, what we decide to include in articles boils down to what mainstream, third party reliable sources chose to write about. (IGN, Eurogamer, websites listed on WP:VG/S.) So, if the only way you're able to source something is by whipping out a Sega Genesis and hacking it with a Game Genie, chances are it's probably not really something that's of interest to your everyday general reader anyways. Sergecross73 msg me 13:28, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Oh, okay. Thanks. (TheJoebro64 (talk) 14:19, 21 December 2016 (UTC))

Possible sockpuppets

There is this user named Inorap, I think this user is using different accounts to make disruptive edits to Wikipedia. Here's a example of these edits [1] [2]. These IPs goes around vandalized the album ratings template by adding star ratings while the source itself doesn't use a star ratings system. Recently this user has made this edit while the sources doesn't use stars. There are numbers of warnings from other editors about using WP:MOS, but this user ignored it. If you look at these articles, The Sun's Tirade and especially Cilvia Demo, these IP edits look very similar to Inorap's edits. Please take a look at these edits. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 20:14, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Why you guys are ignoring my reports, when I try to tell you guys about these edits are being disruptive to Wikipedia and don't go by the guidelines. I'm getting very annoyed by this. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 21:19, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Question about protecting an article

I see you have semi-protected Kotaku because of edit-warring. However, only one of the editors involved is not autoconfirmed, and that one has never edited any other page apart from that article and his or her user talk page, so would it not be better to block that editor, rather than take an action which potentially could prevent other editors from editing the article? The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:44, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

I tend to favor protecting over blocking when it comes to IPs in edit wars, due to the frequency that IP hopping occurs as the next step after that - page protection tends to prevent that step of additional action needing to be taken. I also tend to check the page history to see if any IPs have been recently contributing constructively to the article, that the protection would be hindering, and outside of this dispute, no IPs have edited the page in nearly half a year, so trends showed that I wasn't likely to be disrupting that.

That being said, if you feel differently, feel free to undo it and do it your way. I won't challenge you or "wheel war" with you - either way is acceptable. There's quite a few editors who actively contact me about issues around the project, so I'm sure they'll let me know if the issues continue. Sergecross73 msg me 21:10, 21 December 2016 (UTC)