S.A. Julio

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UEFA Euro 2024 qualifying play-offs

A group winner cannot face a team from a higher league is about 'path formation', not about 'team selection.' The path formation is from League C to League A, but team selection is from League A to League C though it is not explicitly stated in the official regulation. Please see the team selection and path formation in the 2020 version.

There was only one non-qualified team in League A, Iceland, so three quota were passed over to League B. League B had one group winner and three non-group winners that has not already been qualified. So these four teams were selected and three quota were passed to League C. In League C, one group winner was already qualified so there are four remaining quata including three passed over from League A. Thus, Bulgaria, Israel, Hungary, and Romania were included. This is team selection.

Path formation is completely seperate procedure. Only Israel remained in the path for League C and Bugaria, Hungary,k and Romania were moved to the path for League A. This is path formation.

The principle 'group winner' should not face a team from a higher league is not considered in the 'team selection' stage.

If you don't like other user's edit, would you please improve it in a constructive way?, rather than simply revert it.

Your explanation is very hard to understand for ordinary users. I thinks adding an example is very useful for readers.

Your explanation is not only confusing, it cannot explain all possible cases. Let's take an example. Suppose that League C has two teams not already qualified, so two quota remained. Then the best-ranked group winner of League is selected. One quata still remained. Then what happens? According to your description, the team should come from League D which is not true. It should come from the 'overall' Nations League rankings. (Accdording to the Euro regulation Article 16.02. d. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Regpath (talk • contribs) 10:05, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

• @Regpath: A group winner cannot face a team from a higher league is about 'path formation', not about 'team selection.' That's not what the passage is saying, it is mentioning how you select the next-best team in the overall ranking, with the caveat that if there is a group winner from the given league, this team must be selected from a lower league.
• team selection is from League A to League C though it is not explicitly stated in the official regulation. No it is not, per regulations article 16.02 (a). I know how the process works, I wrote the 2020 article over four years ago.
• If you don't like other user's edit, would you please improve it in a constructive way?, rather than simply revert it. Your changes were factually incorrect, though.
• I thinks adding an example is very useful for readers. The 2020 play-offs used a slightly different format, though, so I am not sure how useful it is to readers.
• Suppose that League C has two teams not already qualified, so two quota remained. Then the best-ranked group winner of League is selected. One quata still remained. Then what happens? It depends on whether one of the teams is a group winner. If that is the case, the other group winner from League D would be selected, per article 16.02 (d), which says group winners of Leagues A, B and C cannot be in a play-off path with higher-ranked teams. If there is no group winner in League C, it would be the next-best team in the overall ranking.

S.A. Julio (talk) 18:00, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Would you explain this from your description?

"If the league has a group winner selected for the play-offs, then the next-best team in the overall ranking from a lower league will be selected."

==> Is it really 'lower' league? Isn't it 'the same or lower league'?

"f there are more than four teams available in a given league, draw which four teams will participate in the path of the league.

Remaining teams will be drawn into a path of a higher league."

==> My understanding is when the draw is performed, the group winners must remain in the path for the league, and only non group winners take part in the draw to decide who will be moved to the path of the higher league. Regpath (talk) 18:14, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

@Regpath: Is it really 'lower' league? Isn't it 'the same or lower league'? In step two of the article, it is already mentioned that teams are first replaced by the next best-ranked team from the same league.

My understanding is when the draw is performed, the group winners must remain in the path for the league, and only non group winners take part in the draw to decide who will be moved to the path of the higher league. This is usually the case, as group winners cannot face teams from a higher league. However, some scenarios are less clear, I'll use the 2020 rankings (below) for a hypothetical. In this situation, it is possible for UEFA to decide that one of Bosnia and Ukraine may/will be drawn into Path A, as they would not be facing a team from a higher league. Nowhere in the regulations is this forbidden, and per article 16.03 (c), UEFA may enact additional conditions including seeding principles for the draw. Since we don't exactly know what UEFA would decide in such a situation, I think it would be inaccurate to state group winners must remain in the path for the league. S.A. Julio (talk) 21:09, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

League A Rank Team 1 GW Portugal 2 GW Netherlands 3 GW England 4 GW Switzerland 5 Belgium 6 France 7 Spain 8 Italy 9 Croatia 10 Poland 11 Germany 12 Iceland

League B Rank Team 13 GW Bosnia and Herzegovina 14 GW Ukraine 15 GW Denmark 16 GW Sweden 17 Russia 18 Austria 19 Wales 20 Czech Republic 21 Slovakia 22 Turkey 23 Republic of Ireland 24 Northern Ireland

League C Rank Team 25 GW Scotland 26 GW Norway 27 GW Serbia 28 GW Finland 29 Bulgaria 30 Israel 31 Hungary 32 Romania 33 Greece 34 Albania 35 Montenegro 36 Cyprus 37 Estonia 38 Slovenia 39 Lithuania

League D Rank Team 40 GW Georgia 41 GW North Macedonia 42 GW Kosovo 43 GW Belarus 44 Luxembourg 45 Armenia 46 Azerbaijan 47 Kazakhstan 48 Moldova 49 Gibraltar 50 Faroe Islands 51 Latvia 52 Liechtenstein 53 Andorra 54 Malta 55 San Marino

UEFA Link attendance

Hello. S.A. Julio. Do you know why uefa link attendance v2 is not working as it used to? Putting v4 for example it does work. Do you think is a temporary issue? Island92 (talk) 18:28, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

v2 and v3 as well have not been working properly since 3 June 2022. It's quite frustrating. I hope it is a temporary issue. Lots of articles use v2.--Island92 (talk) 19:00, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

@Island92: Probably have been making some changes to their system, so most likely v2/v3 won't work again. However I can quickly fix the links using AWB, shouldn't be a huge issue. Should I convert everything to v4? S.A. Julio (talk) 20:40, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Basing on the consistency, I'd like to have all these loads of pages with the same version. We cannot have some of them with v2 (which doesn't seem to be working) and other with v4 (starting from those of the Nations League 22/23). My answer is affermative and you can use AWB if it doesn't request time and effort. How much time before all of them present v4? Island92 (talk) 20:46, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

@Island92: I have not looked at this very thoroughly yet, are there matches within the same competition season that are divided between working for v2 versus v4? I also noticed v5 works for some reports, if this is of any use. S.A. Julio (talk) 20:50, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Some Nations League 22/23 matches have v2 because v2 worked on 1st and 2nd June. The most recent have v4. For the rest, I mean if I reckon well since 2020 I've started adding v2 for European competitions. Island92 (talk) 20:54, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

@Island92: Okay, for this season of the Nations League, do any of the v4 links not work? Also, does v2/v3 work anywhere? The links I have quickly checked for various UEFA competitions all seem to be broken. S.A. Julio (talk) 21:02, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

v4 works for every link you would try to make it work, which is a dream now to have every single page with v4. The majority of page you quickly checked use v2 because at the time I added only v2 as you suggested I should do it in a old talk which now I don't remember. v2 and v3 do not work anymore since 3rd June 2022. This is for example Ukraine v Germany friendly match played on 14 November 2020. In v2 it doesn't work, in v4 it does.--Island92 (talk) 21:14, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

@Island92: Okay, so as far as I can tell v4 seems to work everywhere, and from this search it seems to appear on 204 articles, which should not take long to change with an automated tool. Should I go ahead? S.A. Julio (talk) 21:22, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Eheheh, such an incredible quantity of pages, as I'd expected. The point is, will in the future v2 be working again? We don't know at all, hence yes, you should go ahead and get them all with v4. It works everywhere nicely. I don't know why UEFA made this change.--Island92 (talk) 21:26, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

@Island92: I doubt it will, a long time ago I had used v1 for some other projects, but it eventually stopped working so I switched to v2. Another idea is I could create a template, for example {{UEFA match attendance}}, and it could generate the reference, for example using the code <ref>{{UEFA match attendance|2034413|Czech Republic vs. Switzerland|access-date=2 June 2022}}</ref>. This way if the URL switches in the future only one page would need to be changed. S.A. Julio (talk) 22:08, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

We should do everything possible as we open these links they must work nicely at any moment, also in years to come. This template could be great.--Island92 (talk) 22:14, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

For all matches played so far in the Nations League 22/23 I switched all the links to v4.--Island92 (talk) 22:15, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

2022 FIFA World Cup qualification - multiple issues

1. About goalscorers in CAF 2nd round and CONCACAF 1st round, you have just reinstated the big lists, instead of splitting them into groups. Not AFC 2nd round, probably you agree that its list is too big (~550 goals and ~300 scorers), but I want to split CAF 2nd round and CONCACAF 1st round too - they are also quite large (200-300 goals and 100-150 scorers), not very readable to me.
2. Also some infoboxes removed - if I remember correctly, we have no strict rules about pages should or should not have infoboxes. I am OK either way, but when I split some goalscorers lists last October, consequently I needed infoboxes there for some details: goals, matches, goals per match, top scorer (previously available in 'Goalscorers' sections). If you agree to split CAF 2nd round and CONCACAF 1st round, then their infoboxes should be reinstated too. Centaur271188 (talk) 04:10, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

@Centaur271188: Well we have CONMEBOL with 223 goals in a single round, so I don't see the issue with a similarly-sized list in these other articles. I think it is useful to be able to compare player performances across groups in the round, you don't get a larger understanding when it is split into 10 different sections. As for the infoboxes, they are intended for use on articles on competition/tournament articles. The round pages are subsets of the competition, but not a tournament on its own. This is the same reason we don't use such infoboxes on articles such as 2021–22 UEFA Champions League group stage. The matches/goals/top scorer information can generally be found in the goalscorer section. Also, the previous/next season links make little sense to me, given there is no permanent format for these qualifiers. S.A. Julio (talk) 06:48, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

@Centaur271188: By the way, I have been doing some work recently on older World Cup qualifying articles, trying to make things consistent with more recent campaigns. Since you are such a great contributor to the current qualifying articles, I was wondering if I could get your input on which zones should have their rounds split into separate articles. Clearly the 2022 OFC qualifiers were to small to be split, with a similar conclusion reached at this recent CONMEBOL AfD. However, I am not exactly sure what the threshold should be. Would you think any of the following zones require separate round articles?

• AFC–OFC: 1974, 1978, 1982
• CAF: 1970, 1974, 1978, 1982, 1986
• CONCACAF: 1966, 1970

Also, some of the OFC articles prior to 2006 were (partially) split despite being quite small, do you think any of these need separate round articles?

• OFC: 1990, 1994, 1998, 2002

Thanks! S.A. Julio (talk) 02:40, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your commendation :) To me, those confederal qualifying rounds only need splitting if we have much material enough - I think most campaigns you mentioned are OK to split, because some rounds of them have quite many matches, except 1990 and 1994 OFC. Or if consistency requires - like AFC 4th round, 2022 CONCACAF 2nd round or 2018 OFC 1st round - but I do not mean your consistency, I think the 80s-90s and earlier campaigns do not have to be consistent with 2010s-2020s ones, because of material difference. Only their internal consistency matters. For example, 2002 OFC 1st round is OK to split, 20 matches seem many enough. Then its 2nd round has only 2 matches, but can be split too, for consistency's sake. Centaur271188 (talk) 06:09, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Alright great, thanks for the help! S.A. Julio (talk) 11:28, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 13 June 2022

Could this template have {{{organiser}}} (Organising body) and {{{other countries}}} (Other club(s) from) as extra labels. Example is Template:Infobox basketball league.

For Template:Infobox sports league if it could be done please. Alextigers (talk) 07:12, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

This request is redundant to Template talk:Infobox sports league#Template-protected edit request on 13 June 2022. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 04:49, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Interconfederation playoffs

My apologies for not checking further before reverting you. I was not aware that the football boxes transcluded from the individual match articles contained section links. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 11:38, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

No problem, easy to miss! S.A. Julio (talk) 15:33, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Reverted

In Fact the match still ongoing when I applied the tool. Then I corrected but you had already corrected and I can't do the correction myself (and its no necessary to apologize on TP). (By the way I didn't do any problem about it because nobody its perfect). The only answer : misunderstood by delay maybe. The TV signal has 1 minute delay. (I'm not to blame for having 45 seconds signal-delay). Please only click on "Undo", it only takes you 2 seconds: and you don't need to comment on my TP ;). Remember that you have also made mistakes, and only the undo tools are applied, it is easier than commenting in the TP because it only takes a second and your information was never lost. Rey1996ss (talk) 18:43, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Explanation

That's what I said before haha: the TV and the official site as well still showed a 3-1 (for that reason i click the tool; please discuss that with my internet company if in your country the match has ended. That not my blame). It's a little delay-mistake, remember: you have also made mistakes, that's what I'm explaining: it was only 1 minute delay and your information was NEVER lost. It's unnecessary comment in my TP because you have easier tools and they will help you because there is a simpler way. I explain the easy instructions below: Instrucctions:
1.- If you think there is an error go to the "History" section.
2.- Find the edition
3.- Click on undo bottom
4.- If you want you can add a small comment, example: I add reference or information has changed
5.- Publish changes (blue bottom)
I hope it helps you. Rey1996ss (talk) 20:14, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Template for Match lineups

Hello. I would like to ask about how you make lineups for notable matches on Wikipedia. I would also like to know if the template that you might use is open-source or copyright protected, which is why I see that you make the majority of lineup related edits on Wikipedia. If possible, also state as to which editor you use to create lineups for matches, so that it would be easier for the Football Wikiproject to grow further. Thanks in advance. TheWhiterCloud (talk) 09:48, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Update: Nevermind, I found out how using Inkscape, thanks for all of your contributions to Wikipedia! TheWhiterCloud (talk) 10:08, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

@TheWhiterCloud: Alright, let me know if you have any other questions! S.A. Julio (talk) 15:47, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Awesome! If I have any other questions, I will start a new topic. Thank you for all of your contributions to this amazing site! TheWhiterCloud (talk) 21:43, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Quota Plazes for Paris

Hello friends. @Pindrice.
Officially 4 countries already qualified for Paris 2024 (I added official IOC references). I think they can appear in the main article, if you want to help with this topic, please leave a vote Agree on the Talk Page (below). ---->Talk:2024 Summer Olympics
Thank you very much!

You are better editors than me, and you can contribute a lot to this. Thak you! Rey1996ss (talk) 22:55, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues

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1Would you mind to remove from that template: { { historical } }

2This list is very helful in terms of regarding notblity at Afd. Would you mind to create wieder tble which would also include 'seprate column for sources', 'separate column for "best achivement at IFFHS ranking of the leagues"' and separate sections for: 1Proffesioonal leagues at national level 2Lower divisions which are considered as proffesional 3Leagues at national level not considered as proffesional (currently thre is 1st and 3rd option but no 2nd)

What do you think? I would also like to very slightly change/update guidelines for notablity of football players but firstly I would like to correct this xtremally long (453 references) page, would you able to help me? It is very big. Cheers Dawid2009 (talk) 14:39, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

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UEFA Euro 2024 qualifying

Hello, yes, I've seen after 1 minute.--Kirk39 (talk) 21:38, 24 September 2022 (UTC) P.S. 2022–23_UEFA_Nations_League#Overall_ranking, for league B is not updated.

WP:CIRCULAR

What do you mean? Are you saying the UEFA.com article used Wikipedia as a source? – PeeJay 10:43, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

@PeeJay: I had previously added the man of the match winners for Euro 96, all sourced to RSSSF. However, the award for the RUS-CZE match was missing, though I found another source which I thought listed the official award winner (this ended up not being the case). In 2020, UEFA.com then published the full list, which copied this mistake (very likely from Wikipedia). I recently checked the Euro 96 technical report, and found it was actually given to Poborský. I can provide a scan of the relevant page if you wish. S.A. Julio (talk) 13:02, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Nah, it's all good. Carry on. – PeeJay 13:08, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

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The Lost Lionesses

I respect your opinions as an editor regarding things relating to football on Wikipedia. I don't think Carol Ann Wilson, Janice Barton should be listed on List of England women's international footballers. Do you think a separate article as The Lost Lionesses should exist as they played at the 1971 Women's World Cup any input at Talk:List of England women's international footballers would be appreciated. Dwanyewest (talk) 23:12, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

EURO 2024

My mistake on group standings thanks for fixing Tomrtn (talk) 14:18, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

No problem, it is certainly a unique qualifying system. S.A. Julio (talk) 14:59, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Once again my mistake I thought title holders for Nations League. Thanks for being on top of this. Tomrtn (talk) 16:05, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

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2022-23 UEFA Europa League knockout phase

It has been created, but out of standard and not transcluded, either. Island92 (talk) 21:20, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

UEFA EURO 1988 Final Reserve Referee

Hi S.A. Julio. - just saw that you added Michał Listkiewicz as reserve referee for the EURO 1988 final, but in fact the reserve for the final was Aron Schmidhuber representing West Germany. You can see Schmidhuber during both USSR substitutions, and this info was confirmed to me by a private source. Hope this is helpful! Regards, Mikael. Mikaelref (talk) 15:07, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

2022 FIFA World Cup squads

Hey, regarding players' club affiliation - no longer than couple days ago I was bashed for not using citation sources, so I thought that the FIFA document will be the best source. I understand your point, however it's a bit vague - if a player was transferred, let's say a year ago, but injured his ACL and hasn't played since, he would be counted for a club he's not part of for a year - bit strange, don't you think? ;) Cheers! Red Devil (talk) 18:07, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Red Devil: Yes, if you notice in the lead there is a note, "This is the club a player was last able to play for during the previous season in the event a player did not play a competitive match". If necessary a citation can be added for these few clubs. This has been discussed a number of times in the past and is the exact format we used in 2018, the purpose is to accurately reflect the situation of the last season before the tournament. This is intended to avoid from listing the parent club of players who returned from loan a few weeks before the tournament, or have transferred to another club just before the World Cup. And while the FIFA document is a good source, there can occasionally be some errors that appear, so it is best not to rely on it for everything. For example, the clubs for Ellyes Skhiri and Cyle Larin are also wrong. By the way, while the statistics from the Cameroonian league seem to be lacking, you can see Ngom Mbekeli was playing for Colombe Sportive a few weeks ago. S.A. Julio (talk) 18:39, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

I agree that this is prefect for "normal" season with World Cup - usually players return from loans on 31st May (at least that's what most sources give) and tournament starts couple weeks later. However with Qatar 2022 it's different, because it's mid-season, and I wonder if it was taken into consideration. I wanted to say that Daniel Chacón from Costa Rica is perfect example, but now I see he returned to Colorado on 31st October, so this situation is clear. But still I believe this definition given in ihe introduction should be more specific to cover players I mentioned in the post above - although it's funny to see if someone injured would go to the WC :)

PS. I found error in FIFA document - Canada's Cyle Larin plays for Club Brugge, not Cercle Brugge as mentioned by governing body ;) Red Devil (talk) 18:46, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Red Devil: Do you have an example of any other players that would have a club discrepancy due to the mid-season tournament? Other than Chacón, no other players seem to have any difference between the club they are currently contracted to and the club they last played a competitive match for. So I am not sure any change in the definition is really necessary. S.A. Julio (talk) 21:51, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@S.A. Julio yeah, so far it looks ok. I don't have that much time to check every player :D Red Devil (talk) 08:02, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

@S.A. Julio: I'm wondering about Sadio Mane situation, because it's going on and off on our squads' list. I believe we should delete him only, when he will be officially removed from national team's squad list - maybe Senegal won't do it, and therefore he still should be counted, although he may not play. Maybe they want for him to be with the team, as a good spirit. If he's not on a list, he won't be able to attend WC with the team. And looks like he's not out yet, because he's on FIFA's official team list: https://www.fifa.com/fifaplus/en/tournaments/mens/worldcup/qatar2022/teams/senegal/squad. All other replacements are updated. Red Devil (talk) 13:07, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

@Red Devil: Sounds like Mané will not be replaced, and will stay in Germany for recovery. What FIFA documents say is not really relevant, as they only update the player lists if injury replacement are formally approved, which would not be the case here. If a player is no longer a member of the squad before the tournament even starts, then they should no longer be listed. There was a similar situation at the 2017 FIFA Confederations Cup with two German players that withdrew injured and not replaced, as well as a Dutch player at UEFA Euro 2020. However, if there is disagreement, it might be best to discuss the issue at WT:FOOTY to gain a wider consensus. S.A. Julio (talk) 16:45, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

@S.A. Julio OK, I think it's not that important, but I'm tired of updating statistics every time someone adss him or deletes him. I understand your point of view, it's probably just the case what we count as "team's squad" - in the introduction a lot is explained about caps, numbers, last club played for, but we may missing the pivotal - what squad do we take into account - official submitted to FIFA, or the one that stays in Qatar - for example Polish team has 27 players, because additional goalkeeper is training with them ;) Cheers! Red Devil (talk) 19:35, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your work

Hey its not important but wanted to thank you for your work on updating the wc squads today. You beat me on some edits I wanted to do :P MatsLP (talk) 21:30, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

@MatsLP: Thanks, your contributions are appreciated as well! Hopefully should be a good tournament. S.A. Julio (talk) 22:09, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

THANKS FOR YOUR WORK.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:57, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

You beat me again. I was trying to update Costa Rica match against Japan lol. Incredible job you are doing on covering the tournament 💪 MatsLP (talk) 11:56, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

A few questions if you don't mind me asking?

What do you think of these articles I created Draft:List of foreign Frauen-Bundesliga players, UEFA Women's Euro 2001 final, UEFA Women's Euro 2005 Final and UEFA Women's Euro 2009 Final? Also I thought I should mention we at least now know how many women have represented the senior England women's football team. England Women's player legacy numbers launched | England Football , England women: Legacy numbers introduced to mark 50th anniversary of first international - BBC Sport Dwanyewest (talk) 23:03, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

@Dwanyewest: The Frauen-Bundesliga article looks alright to me, though it would be best if all players could be sourced. The Women's Euro finals also look good, though the line-ups would be nice to have for 2001. Nice to see they've published the legacy numbers, hopefully they will add player statistics eventually. Cheers, S.A. Julio (talk) 06:58, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

iran-tunisia

hello. this match was 2 days ago. some users believe that match was not official in FIFA. what is your idea? i think it must be counted on players caps and result of Iran national football team. Miha2020 (talk) 05:47, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

@Miha2020: Whether FIFA counts it as official does not really matter, many other teams count non-FIFA games in their records. The question is whether Iran count it as an official match of their national team? Or do they only recognise it as a training game? If it is only a training game, the caps/goals should not be counted. S.A. Julio (talk) 06:51, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

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Create and upload a line-up image

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Full-time for attendance

Hi Julio, I'm wondering why we have to wait to post the attendance until after the full-time whistle? Mwiqdoh (talk) 15:13, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

@Mwiqdoh: Well there is a consensus to not to add live match scores and statistics, I would consider the attendance part of this. If there is disagreement it could always be discussed at WT:FOOTY. A problem I notice is once people add the attendance to the match report before full-time, it then gets added to the infobox prematurely (before the match count is updated, which then outputs the wrong average attendance). S.A. Julio (talk) 15:35, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

2022 FIFA World Cup tactical line-ups

Hey how are you? I've noticed some discrepancies between the official broadcast lineups and the ones you've added as image in the articles. What's your source for those line-ups? I haven't been able to find those PDFs files that are usually used as reference for those things. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 20:58, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunately FIFA's website continues to get worse, and they now have stopped publishing any formations online. I tried to follow the official FIFA TV graphics, but they seem to be quite error prone. I'm considering sourcing everything to Soccerway's website instead, which I think would be more accurate and reliable. S.A. Julio (talk) 21:07, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Seems fine to me, but we should add the link as reference so it avoids any confusion. The previous World Cup files are within the digitalhub FIFA website, but you can't access it without being a member whatsoever... What do you think of sofascore as source? The lineup for Canada there seems more accurate than the other. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 21:22, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

I've also noticed several differences in previous matches (one absurd was Pouraliganji who is a CB listed as LF in FIFA line-ups). We should change them. I used to update some lineups in the past but lost the archives and softwares. Gonna help when possible again. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 21:36, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Personally I'd recommend the BBC coverage for formations on the field, that's what I've used previously for my football match articles. For example this: [1] - I'd imagine they'll cover every World Cup game. What think you, Julio?  — Amakuru (talk) 18:17, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Template colors

Hello! Can you check regarding the template and revert them back to former. I see that it is mostly the same anonymous user who has done it. Yours sincerely, Sondre 88.88.4.178 (talk) 15:31, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Liga MX Femenil articles

Hi SA Julio, thanks for your contributions for the women's soccer community. Now I bring to your attention a group of players from the Liga MX Femenil that need an article because they pass Wikipedia's notability rules at WP:FOOTY. Aylín Avilez and Magalí Cuadrado already played in their national football team. Bea Parra and Brenda Woch have caps in the Primera División (women). Chandra Eigenberger played in the Chicago Red Stars. Stephanie Ribeiro played in the Danish Women's League. Adyson Willett played in the Serbian Women's Super League. And the coaches Nicolás Morales, Ana Cristina González and Christopher Cuéllar also need their own article.

I would really appreciate your support.

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Benzema

Hi. Benzema is still on the list and could rejoin France’s World Cup squad in Qatar. Sources: [2], [3]. Dipralb (talk) 16:06, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

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CONMEBOL–UEFA Cup of Champions

How is saying what the tournament is now called "unnecessary"? Most tournaments that are renamed state their previous name so why not state the new name of the tournament? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.39.238.53 (talk) 22:27, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

That was not the name of the tournament at the time, readers can read the main competition article for further information. This is consistent with other renamed competitions, for example see 1985–86 European Cup, where we do not also mention it was renamed as the UEFA Champions League. S.A. Julio (talk) 06:45, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

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Accessibility guidelines on tables using rowspan

Greetings,

You reverted my edit saying best to avoid excessive rowspan outside of first column for accessibility. Can you point me to where that's an accessibility guideline as I would like to learn moving forward. I've looked in a few places and I'm not seeing any relevant guidelines, but then they are scattered about quite a bit so it could be very easy to miss. The closest I've found is this, but that would apply to the first column as well. There's also this but I'm having a hard time understanding what it says. Gecko G (talk) 19:09, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

@Gecko G: I'm not sure if there is a specific policy, though I recall from past discussions it is best to avoid excessive rowspan in tables. And given there will be a ranking formula, there will be likely different qualification dates for each team, so there should not be one combined cell for the date. S.A. Julio (talk) 21:12, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Interesting. I can see pro's and con's to either way, but I wasn't seeing how any accessibility issues significantly tipped the scale, so I was worried I was missing something.

As for the separate topic of the dates- wouldn't it be the date that the ranking is consulted/calculated/compiled? and thus be the same for all 8 of the UEFA non-CL winning teams? (presumably it would be the date of the first update of the UEFA Club Coefficient after the conclusion of the fourth UEFA Champions League within the cycle)

I've not seen anything saying it's the top x# ranked teams per year not otherwise qualified (and if it was we'd already have last years entrants determined).

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Undo edits in Wikipedia:Teahouse/Suggestions

Could you please undo the edits in Teahouse/Suggestions page to review the articles to improve. I am new on En.Wikipedia but I am active across Wikis. Thank you for your help. Sandra Hanbo (talk) 20:18, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@Sandra Hanbo: Sure,  Done. S.A. Julio (talk) 20:22, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

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Some baklava for you!

Great contribution to Sophie Whitehouse, have a slice of Baclava. Victuallers (talk) 09:25, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Sorry

Just wanted to apologise for those Category errors you have spotted and reverted. Obviously I do try to make sure I am getting it right (meaning adding or removing stuff as I am intending to do - at times the category itself may be open to debate) but those just seem to be careless clicking so no excuse, I am particularly annoyed at myself for the (athlete) guy as it is easily spotted as being a probable mistake. I have had a look at the articles nearby on the relevant lists to see if anyone was missed, but it seems those were changed 'in addition to' the correct ones, rather than 'instead of' them. Hopefully there won't be too many others like that. Crowsus (talk) 23:24, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

@Crowsus: I understand, no problem. You do great work with categorization, of course with such a large volume of categories/pages misclicks can happen. Right now I'm trying to clean up the footballer category tree, so I'm looking to remove any articles which have no mention of being a player. Sometimes editors will add footballer categories based on some external source mentioning they played the sport, but they end up not adding the relevant details/sources to the article. So I figure if this is the case, then seeing the revert can allow them to add a source. Cheers, S.A. Julio (talk) 03:08, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Lists of international footballers categories

Before your edits, subcats of Category:Lists of association football players by national team combined men's and women's lists such as Category:Lists of Azerbaijan international footballers. Also cats such as Category:Finland international footballers also combine men's and women's players. What's the goal here? Pelmeen10 (talk) 10:37, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

And does all similar to Category:Azerbaijan international footballers become Azerbaijan men's international footballers? Pelmeen10 (talk) 10:43, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

@Pelmeen10: Well, if you notice, Category:Finland international footballers is a list of men's internationals with women as a subcategory. I'm trying to start the implementation of the consensus from this RfC, which decided that there should be separate men's and women's footballer trees. Of course it is not possible for me to update hundreds of categories at the same moment, so I'll be working on fixing the category tree. As Category:Lists of Azerbaijan international footballers belongs to Category:Azerbaijan international footballers, it should no longer contain categories of the women's team. Within the next day I'll be submitting the international player categories for renaming per the outcome of the RfC, once that is complete everything will look much cleaner. S.A. Julio (talk) 10:46, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

What about cats such as Category:Azerbaijani footballers, has men's player pages and women's as subcat. Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:33, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

@Pelmeen10: I've just started working on implementing the outcome of the RfC in the last few days, it will be changed in time with the help of bots. Category:Association football players is a huge tree, this cannot be done instantaneously. See Category:Footballers in Denmark and Category:Danish footballers for an example of what the category trees will look like. S.A. Julio (talk) 20:52, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Category moves

Notwithstanding the RFC, please ensure all categories are moved via CFD to avoid argument, and also the category moves on articles done by bots so they can be filtered out. GiantSnowman 21:36, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: Yes, I've only split a few categories that are too small to spend time getting a bot to do it, the large ones will be automated. However, most of the work isn't really moving categories, but instead diffusing articles into the proper subcategories, with the parent category then remaining as a container. Therefore a CfD isn't really necessary for diffusion, as I would try to have it accomplished through a bot request. S.A. Julio (talk) 21:45, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm proposing to follow Category:England national football teams and Category:Albania national football teams‎ and pluralize the team categories as they also cover youth teams. England has category for both, so maybe even better to create an extra cat? Pelmeen10 (talk) 12:22, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

@Pelmeen10: Maybe it would be best to open a discussion regarding this at WT:FOOTY? Just to be sure there is consensus on the matter. And maybe a structure of something like what I have included below? That way the youth player categories would no longer be a subcategory of the senior international players. S.A. Julio (talk) 19:31, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes I support the example below. Pelmeen10 (talk) 19:36, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

• <country> national football teams
  • <country> (men's) national football team
    • <country> (men's) international footballers
  • <country> women's national football team
    • <country> women's international footballers
  • <country> youth national football teams
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    • <country> (men's) under-21 international footballers
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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Men's footballers in Seychelles by competition

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Brazil Olympics categories

Hey there. I think you messed up a little bit while creating requests for Brazil categories speedy movements. Now, all men's templates are in women's category, and actual women's templates are in Category:BrazilOlympics women's football squad navigational boxes (which looks like it has a typo - missing space after 'Brazil'). --BlameRuiner (talk) 06:12, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

@BlameRuiner: Sorry, I must have missed the typos. I guess the quickest fix would be relist them? Which I have now done. S.A. Julio (talk) 07:42, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Sophie Whitehouse

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Is it helpful?

Hi, just a query in the context of the project to rename Fooian footballers categories to Fooian men's footballers etc. I see a number of men's cats have recently been created, most (all?) by User:Namiba a couple of months ago (tagging for info, no wish to have this discussion behind your back), some of them e.g Mexico are placeholders and only have one article. In terms of bot moves, is it more helpful to have a category 'ready' for relevant articles to be switched to, or is it better for there to be no article with that name and it be created as part of the process? Should we create skeleton categories for all the missing nationalities, stop and leave it as it is (if no big deal either way), or perhaps have these new ones deleted in the meantime if it would hinder the bot procedure? Crowsus (talk) 23:54, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@Crowsus: I think it is best to leave the men's category tree as is for the time being. I've been collaborating recently with usernamekiran, who is working on a bot for this task. The bot should be able to create all the necessary categories before populating them. I don't think the existing (but underpopulated) categories should be an issue for the bot. S.A. Julio (talk) 01:08, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

@Crowsus: technically speaking, the existing/underpopulated categories is not an issue for the bot. The bot currently creates required categories, categorises the new category, and populates it. The only difference is, if a category doesn't exist, and then if it is created by the bot, then it categorises the new category with certain/selected categories. If the category already exists, the bot only populates it, but does not re-categorise the category. —usernamekiran (talk) 11:12, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

OK, thanks folks! Crowsus (talk) 12:31, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Two Saar protectorates

Hi, I just noticed the new category that you created for History of the Saar Protectorate. I wonder if a slightly different title (such as "History of the Saar protectorates") might work better, since the history covers two different protectorates after two different world wars. It would make little sense, in my opinion, to divide this category — especially since those looking for one era would also very likely be interested in the other — but your current title implies that there was a single protectorate with several subordinate articles and sub-categories. —— Shakescene (talk) 21:01, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

@Shakescene: Well there are two articles on the Sarr protectorates, Territory of the Saar Basin for after World War I and Saar Protectorate for after World War II. Since there are separate parent articles, it would be somewhat confusing/difficult to have a combined category tree for both entities. The category I created was only meant to cover the history of the latter territory. S.A. Julio (talk) 21:18, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

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Association football positions

Please can you refrain from moving the categories using AWB, and instead let the bot do it? It makes it infinitely easier to hide the edits from my watchlist - I have nearly 6,000 articles which are going to be affected... GiantSnowman 06:02, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: I am letting the bot do it. However, someone else decided to move some themselves, but accidentally moved the pages to Men's association football players by position instead of Men's association football forwards, which the bot would not be able to correct. Therefore I had to fix the categories myself. S.A. Julio (talk) 06:07, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

OK, thanks for clarifying. My watchlist is currently literally 99% associated cat moves...

k GiantSnowman 07:39, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

pings

Hi. I posted two comments on our usual venue, but the pings somehow didn't go through. —usernamekiran (talk) 19:39, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

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bot task notice

To avoid any arguments/objections during, or after moves by the bot, I think the task should be advertised on major/active wikiprojects related to football. I think a link to User:Usernamekiran/footballer categories should be provided in the discussion as it has list of categories, and content as well. Given that more than 100k articles would be affected, this will be required at the BRFA regardless the RfC. On a side note, the bot is currently programmed to add content only to the categories that don't exist/he creates — for consistency, would it be a better idea to add content/recategorise the pre-existing categories as well? Courtesy ping to @Crowsus and GiantSnowman: —usernamekiran (talk) 21:16, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@Usernamekiran: There are relatively few relevant men's categories that already exist (34 by my count), I can check them myself to verify they are consistent. And sure, I can bring this up at WT:FOOTY. Regarding the bot, will it be able to change multiple categories on a page simultaneously? For example, if an article is in Category:German footballers and Category:Expatriate footballers in France, will both categories be changed in the same edit? S.A. Julio (talk) 22:26, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

updating the content of pre-existing categories is not difficult at all. Currently, in the program there is one line/condition that checks if the new (men's) category exists or not. If it does not exist, the program creates the new category with the content. If we want to update the pre-existing categories, all I have to do is to remove that task, and the program will replace all the current content with the new one. Regarding the edit count: I have created five different programs, one for each category type. The program goes through the list of categories as per the five category types at User:Usernamekiran/footballer categories. For example, the program for "<nationality> footballers" will go through each category one-by-one. When it encounters "Category:German footballers", the program first checks if the new category exists, if not, then it will create "German men's footballers" with relevant content. In next step, it will go through all the articles of that category "Category:German footballers" and replace "Category:German footballers" with "Category:German men's footballers" (currently it is set to namespace:2 (userpages), it can be set to any namespace including articles, and/or files). Then it will process the next category similarly. In short, it will replace only one category at a time. —usernamekiran (talk) 03:30, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the update, happy to help if needed but I'm not quite sure what you mean. Is this really just information into the processes the bot will use, and that it will be a sequence of many runs so we should not be concerned that something has been 'missed' because it will be in a different part of the sequence? If so, thanks. If there is something manually that I could be doing to aid the process, please let me know (but preferably not anything involving mass edits which will be of - understandable - irritation to GiantSnowman and others?) :) Crowsus (talk) 12:16, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

• Hi. Just one doubt, should the sort key be actually "+Men", or just "Men"? (eg: [[Category:Expatriate association footballers in Ireland|+Men]]). Also, I am almost done with all the programs, so you should post a notice regarding the category moves to WT:FOOTY. —usernamekiran (talk) 17:58, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi. I posted the notice at WT:FOOTY. —usernamekiran (talk) 19:18, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

BRFA for the bot

Moved to User talk:Usernamekiran/footballer categories § BRFA

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Northern Irish Cuisine

Can I ask where the consensus was to move the article Northern Irish cuisine to Cuisine of Northern Ireland was made? This is contrary to literally every other cuisine article which uses the adjective form, not the noun form, for where it is. I.e. Scottish cuisine and not Cuisine of Scotland, Japanese cuisine and not Cuisine of Japan. Northern Irish is a valid adjective form of Northern Ireland, that's not up for argument by anyone, so I'm not sure why you would make this move. This isn't a political identity implication like Norther Irish people type of articles may be. But even then Northern Irish is a perfectly valid self-identification and one that is supported by the census and other Northern Ireland related identifications. Canterbury Tail talk 21:26, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

@Canterbury Tail: It was a WP:BOLD move, you can revert it if you wish. Though this was one of only a handful of articles which use "Northern Irish" in the title, it seems this wording is generally not used. For example there is British literature, Belgian literature and Canadian literature, while for Northern Ireland the title is Literature of Northern Ireland. Or there is List of Australian flags, List of Canadian flags, List of Jamaican flags, while for N.I. it is List of flags used in Northern Ireland. Was just trying to maintain some consistency between N.I. articles. S.A. Julio (talk) 22:23, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

I've tried to undo this edit, but it's got messy - with links on other pages that you didn't change, not directing to the 'redirect page'. Please can you put thi sback to how it was asap. Obscurasky (talk) 07:34, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

I've moved it back to Northern Irish cuisine. There may be redirects that need back updating. Canterbury Tail talk 12:17, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

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Match reports

Hi, I would like your input on Match reports for UEFA Champions League? Seems there is a new way of adding links for the Match reports. Do you feel this is correct? You seem to add of lot of info thanks PNwood213 (talk) 18:17, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

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I think my previous ping there didn't go through, your attention is required again in the "subcat task" again. —usernamekiran (talk) 11:54, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

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English respelling of football players' names

If adding a respelling is not allowed, any idea how to help English-language commentators not butcher the names in the upcoming World Cup in Australia and New Zealand? I don't think they can read IPA. Or is that a futile endeavour anyway? Akkolon (talk) 09:28, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

@Akkolon: The guide regarding pronunciations can be found at MOS:PRON, with IPA as the standard. If you believe this is insufficient, you could record the pronunciation of the names, and then place Template:Audio in the lead of the articles. Otherwise not much else can be done for those unfamiliar with IPA. S.A. Julio (talk) 13:33, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

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How to edit/create 11 v 11 line ups for wikipedia/

Hi Sir,

Just wanted to know how to create the line-ups on a pitch with shirts for both teams that is typically on most major final/match pages for some key matches that are missing on Wikipedia.

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Mind your edit summary

Hi S.A. Julio, I am bound to ask you something. Would you please not use edit summaries like these indiscriminately? "rvv" stands for "revert vandalism". The statement you removed by this revert was indeed erroneous, but not illogical and definitely not vandalism. You may needlessly repel bona fide users this way. Steinbach (talk) 11:21, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

UEFA_Euro_2024_qualifying Overall_ranking

Why you are thinking pot information is not needed for qualifying page? It is very similar to group table structure. People are not aware of pot information. Cgunduz (talk) 11:02, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

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Please add photo

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Not yet created in this season? 93.140.192.90 (talk) 02:25, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

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Sports links template

Hi S.A. Julio. At Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football in the now archived discussion about using {{Sports links}} template in External links sections you wrote Not all Wikidata links are shown with this template though, the specific sites to be displayed are controlled locally on this wiki.. Could you elaborate on how that works? As mentioned, we could reduce the maximum number of links shown on an article. And this? Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 12:31, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

@Robby.is.on: We can define the Wikidata links that we want to display using Module:External links/conf/Sports. If there are too many sites, we could reduce it to a few of the most popular/useful databases. With regards to the second question, by default {{Sports links}} will output a maximum of 10 links. However, we could reduce the default to a more reasonable number of links such as 4 or 5.

If we were to make such changes, I do not see anything inherently wrong with using {{Sports links}} on some articles as a simplified way to generate external links. S.A. Julio (talk) 19:03, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, @S.A. Julio:. We can define the Wikidata links that we want to display using Module:External links/conf/Sports On a page-by-page basis? Generally, per WP:WPFLINKSNO, links from FootballDatabase.eu should not show up.

In any case, reducing the default number would be a good start; I think four should be the absolute maximum. Robby.is.on (talk) 18:22, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

@Robby.is.on: Not on a page-by-page basis, but in general what links are displayed and in what order. Thanks for pointing that out regarding FootballDatabase.eu, it has now been removed. What would you say are the best links to prioritize? There are a few popular sites such as WorldFootball, Soccerway, Soccerbase and National-Football-Teams. I would say FBref, BDFutbol and 11v11 are also high-quality sites. And then there are many databases from the national associations/leagues. S.A. Julio (talk) 21:37, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out regarding FootballDatabase.eu, it has now been removed You're welcome and thank you! :-)

I reckon all of those you listed are decent sources. Which ones are most suitable, depends on the leagues the footballer have played or play in. For example, WorldFootball is good for German leagues, BDFutbol for Spanish leagues, Soccerbase for English and Scottish leagues etc.… Robby.is.on (talk) 18:59, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi S.A. Julio. I could use your help. How would one go about fixing Zvonko Pamić#External links? Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 19:35, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

@Robby.is.on: I've reduced it by a few links and tried to put the most useful sites first, any better? Looking at some policies such as WP:LINKFARM and WP:ELPOINTS, there doesn't seem to be an exact limit on how many links should be shown. This seems like a somewhat reasonable compromise. S.A. Julio (talk) 06:19, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

That's better, thank you. How did you do it? Robby.is.on (talk) 09:17, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

It's all controlled from Module:External links/conf/Sports, so making a change there will update all articles. S.A. Julio (talk) 15:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Okay, so you made a global change. Thanks again! Robby.is.on (talk) 16:33, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

• Robby.is.on (talk · contribs) and S.A. Julio (talk · contribs), I've just seen this thread. I've started a conversational topic as it relates to this on the Template talk:Sports links page. I believe this has some unintended consequences as implemented and we should work together to discuss as a community. GauchoDude (talk) 19:53, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

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Uefa Euro 2024

Unnecessary to delete the correct results and then enter them yourself. Next time I'll get 3rd opinion Jasmineheudheh (talk) 14:57, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

@Jasmineheudheh: I didn't even add the final result. There is a consensus not to add live scores/statistics, and you added the information before the match completed. Please quit disruptively editing, and wait for full-time. S.A. Julio (talk) 15:01, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

I entered the result in the table and in the game at the final whistle. And they reversed it. But anyway now, I pay attention to it. Have a nice evening Jasmineheudheh (talk) 15:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

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question

I would ask you if can you take a look to this subject if you can help to create this article and thank you Omar loves Edit (talk) 09:49, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Gasper Crasto - Goan Footballer

Hi,

Kindly help to restore the page with this title. It is a genuine page.

Appreiciate Espybarretto (talk) 13:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

@Espybarretto: The article was deleted per community consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gasper Crasto, nothing has changed since then. S.A. Julio (talk) 15:11, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Logos

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/draws/

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaconferenceleague/draws/

(These logos should be captured and uploaded) 93.140.38.206 (talk) 02:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Kindly restore Item # 161

Gasper Crasto - Goan Footballer Espybarretto (talk) 20:08, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Line-ups images

Hey! I was just wondering, what app do you use to make these images for the line-ups? Leprazoori (talk) 18:07, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

2026 FIFA WC knockout stage

Hey, Why you Redirected 2026 FIFA World Cup knockout stage page to 2026 FIFA World Cup#Knockout_stage page? WikiEditPS ^(TALK) 17:04, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

@WikiEditPS: It's WP:TOOSOON, wait until the tournament is closer. S.A. Julio (talk) 18:13, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Why Final Match Page is not redirected, even though it will take place after the Knockouts? WikiEditPS ^(TALK) 04:28, 30 July 2024 (UTC)b

Sweden national football team

When you move a page to disambiguate it, please can you remember to turn the base page into a dab page and fix incoming links? GiantSnowman 10:12, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: I was only reverting the undiscussed move from the previous day, which went against the consensus from the July 2023 move discussion. I had no involvement with the original page move. S.A. Julio (talk) 18:09, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

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Module:Sports series

thanks for editing the 2024 Women's Africa Cup of Nations qualification page with your new template Module:Sports series I want to the point that it is so sad that the flag parameter does not function in the under-17 and under-20 teams when you use the type=WNT but I meant to tell that the usage of an under 17 women's national football team in the script is possible with the type=NT with the usage of the parameter flag=fbwu+17 as you can see in the page 2024 African U-17 Women's World Cup qualification therefore I came to the question is this a bug in the module or is this a feature you missed mentioning in the module documentation Mo Amine M (talk) 11:48, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

@Mo Amine M: Sorry I'm a bit confused, what exactly is the issue? From what I can tell 2024 African U-17 Women's World Cup qualification correctly has links generated for the under-17 women's national team articles. The use of type=WNT is meant as shorthand for just using {{fbw}} without needing to set "flag", so it doesn't really have any impact if you need to use a youth team template. In such a case, the use of {{fbw}} will be overridden by the template name given in the "flag" parameter. S.A. Julio (talk) 15:47, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

thanks for answering, I just want to make sure nothing is wrong with the following code:

{{#invoke:Sports series|main|type=WNT|flag=fbwu+17|bold_winner=y

::

As you mentioned in the documentation the flag parameter is only valid with the Type=NT Mo Amine M (talk) 15:56, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

@Mo Amine M: Apologies for any confusion, nothing is wrong with that code. I tried to mention in the documentation under "type": Note that while the documentation will make mention of what setting |type=NT does to the output, it will be equally true for also setting it to WNT or MNT. Technically you could use type=NT and get the same output, but there is not issue with using that code. S.A. Julio (talk) 16:35, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

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John Chalmers Johnstone

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