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UEFA Champions League Sponsors List

Hello,

Personally I don't understand by your reason to remove the list again, saying "we don't need that". I mean, why this only became a problem after all those years? MArvAlcao17 (talk) 01:55, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Also, that list includes regional sponsors which people might not known. It's a good piece of information. MArvAlcao17 (talk) 02:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Sure, people might not know about the minor sponsors, but all they would have to do is click through to UEFA’s website and a big list of sponsors will be available there. Wikipedia is not meant to be an indiscriminate collection of info, we have to show some editorial judgement. – PeeJay 06:40, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Those regional sponsors are not being shown on the website unless they're in the area which that regional sponsors intend to target (Example: Strauss and Expedia for the US market, so they can only see those logos in the UEFA website if they access that in the US, IRL or via VPN).

Such info are not indiscriminate. I just don't get it, that was a mainstay in the UCL wiki page for around a decade (with updates) and it wasn't until now it became a problem? MArvAlcao17 (talk) 06:54, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Of course it’s indiscriminate. A full list of sponsors is the sort of thing that would only be of interest to a small number of people reading that article. The vast majority of people neither need to know or care that the UCL has a US-only sponsor called Engelbert Strauss. – PeeJay 06:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

It's not like those numbers are that small.

if some people aren't interested they can just skip those section. No need to remove those unless it has false information, which is not in this case.

Also, according to the Wikipedia "an indiscriminate collection of information would be a collection of information gathered "without care or making distinctions" or in a "thoughtless" manner".

If you think that lists are made "without care" or "thoughtless", tell me how those who add it being such that way? I mean it's being checked to make sure it's factually accurate, it's been cited with the announcement from the UEFA website. MArvAlcao17 (talk) 07:10, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Something being factually accurate is not the only deciding factor for whether it should be included on Wikipedia. You've not provided any reason to include this information aside from "some people might find it interesting", but those numbers are in fact quite small. – PeeJay 08:17, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not the one who add the list in the 1st place, just updated that few months ago.

It's not about "some people might find it interesting" and "but those numbers are in fact quite small" is not a valid enough reason to justify its removal.

And Where were you after all these years? Millions of readers/editors for a decade or so not considered that as a problem even though they might not be interested on that and suddenly you did it. MArvAlcao17 (talk) 08:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

So what? The amount of time that something has existed in an article has no bearing on whether it should be included in the article. As @Silent Nemesis2710 pointed out in their original edit summary, the list is a violation of WP:PROMOTION and WP:DIRECTORY. Ignorance of those policies/guidelines is not a valid reason to ignore them. – PeeJay 08:28, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

If that list is considered as an advertising then so does this entire website.

"Advertising, marketing, publicity, or public relations. Information about companies and products must be written in an objective and unbiased style, free of puffery."

Where's the puffery in that? MArvAlcao17 (talk) 08:34, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

There was discussion on this before, last year, where it was agreed that it was unnecessary. Other sporting events do not have a "sponsorship" section. It is an ad on an encyclopedia page, and violates the two policies I listed. WP:PROMOTION and WP:DIRECTORY already cover this.

> if some people aren't interested they can just skip those section.

We should go by the policies defined, which explicitly state that wikipedia is not meant to be a catalog of all information (WP:DIRECTORY). Silent Nemesis2710 (talk) 18:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

If that mere list is considered as an advertising then this whole site is a place of advertising.

Can you please give me the site of the discussion and the detailed explanation of those violation? Thank you. MArvAlcao17 (talk) 07:26, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

"where it was agreed that it was unnecessary."

Whether it's unnecessary or not is a subjective conclusion. The matter is the interpretation of those two policies. MArvAlcao17 (talk) 07:39, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

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Why are you such a racist arsehole?

I don't know if you hate religion or just the Bible, but please stop bashing cultures not of yours like a colonizer. AllenBealJones (talk) 15:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

My friend, please stop interpreting legitimate criticism of your edits as criticism of your religion. As I have pointed out to you, the pronunciation of the biblical figure Asaph's name does not apply to all entries in the Asaph article, and it is misleading to add only one pronunciation to the top of the article as though it applies to all members of that list. You have correctly added it to the biblical figure's article, but do not restore it to the general article again. – PeeJay 16:07, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Furthermore, please refrain from making personal attacks against other editors. If this continues, you won't last much longer here. – PeeJay 16:08, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I keep telling you why you're wrong. I keep telling you that this is the pronunciation of everything under it since it's all related. But you are a racist colonizer that uses threats against other people. You deserve to be called what you are, a racist. AllenBealJones (talk) 16:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm also not friends with racist people like you who delete the truth of other cultures because it doesn't fit their narrative, instead of adding to it. AllenBealJones (talk) 16:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

And I'm telling you, as someone who is literally from the city of St Asaph, that that place is not pronounced the same way. They are not all pronounced the same, you're just too blinkered to see it. I await your apologies. – PeeJay 16:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

So stop being a racist colonizer and deny how other people say it in other parts of the world and add to it with both an American & British pronunciation. You can't say "Ethan" properly either, but that's a common name. Like I told you already, you dense racist. The world doesn't stop at Liverpool. Stop being racist. Stop making threats. Stop hating on other cultures. Stop thinking the world shines from your fart. AllenBealJones (talk) 16:38, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

No one is denying how anyone pronounces that name, but the place to put the pronunciation is on the specific pages for individuals who use that name. As I said to you before, there are different ways to pronounce the name within the broad spheres of American and British English. But obviously you have no interest in that since it doesn't fit your victim narrative. – PeeJay 16:41, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

It fits your threats because you are coward and not a real person who can't cooperate, and can't include other things too. This is your racist, and I hope Jesus helps you see through your dense racism because someone in person will answer your threats with your sickening attitude. AllenBealJones (talk) 16:44, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

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