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Unconditionally - reference section

Can you fix ref error? 123.136.106.227 (talk) 15:13, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

April 2016

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Un enfant

I want to merge this article or redirect the page to Chants et contes de Noël. This song is not notable per WP:NSONGS. Allow me to do so? --George Ho (talk) 02:50, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

@George Ho: Yeah sure, please do so :) -- Max24 (talk) 10:38, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

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Observations

I've noticed some on some of the pages you've been apart of and I'd like to just list some observations, if I may.

  • "Credits and personnel" -> it can just be "Personnel", per the WP:MOSALBUMS and also the writer of the album guide confirmed it for me.
  • Personnel should go under the track listing
  • If listing Personnel from AllMusic, no need to leave "composer" in [also confirmed in MOSALBUMS].
  • I think this one was you. "Commercial success" should be "Commercial performance". This may have been an old edit though.

I'm going through a lot of album pages and have learned the correct format of it quickly. I am not being rude so please don't take it the wrong way. --Jennica talk / contribs 12:01, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: Hi, please change the articles as you wrote it on my talk page. I did not dig into this "Credits and personnel" topic, I just copied it from other articles. As for "Commercial success", I changed it to "Commercial performance" some time ago, I must have overlooked some artilces. Please, change it too, If you find it. Thanks for letting me know :) -- Max24 12:10, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Butterfly (Mariah Carey album)

Hey Max24, just letting you know—Chasewc91 has continued to restore readability-affecting changes like this on Butterfly (Mariah Carey album). I'm assuming since you have edited the article quite a lot and added a substantial amount of content to it, you prefer the spaced version? Would you please keep an eye out for Chase continuing to war over his preferred, "space-saving" version? I don't want to get into a continued war with him over his unnecessary, inconsistently-implemented changes. Ss112 22:27, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

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Changing date formats

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sarah_McLachlan&diff=752734310&oldid=752734263 WP:DATERET states that this sort of edit should not be done. Doing so without explaining why and without leaving any indication what the edit was is even more problematic. I restored it to MDY because the earliest edits were in that format. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:51, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Changing accessdates

Unless you have added new information to a page, please don't change accessdates for no reason, as you did at The A Team (Ed Sheeran song). You appeared to change these based on what date the chart was dated, what date the page for a certification lists it as being updated on, or what date the song was certified, which is not what the accessdate parameter is for. You appear to be confusing accessdate with the date parameter (meaning publish date, which is not supported by most singlechart templates). If what you actually did was go back to when an editor first added/changed the peak for that particular chart (which I would find unnecessarily complex to do)—it still doesn't matter, as Mayast verified them by adding the accessdate parameter on 14 June 2014. Whatever date the accessdate parameter was first added should be the date we use, which is why I changed information you appeared to verify yourself (by adding the correct parameters and such) to yesterday's date. Ss112 20:53, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

@Ss112: Yes, I confused the date parameter with accessdate. Thanks for letting me know :) -- Max24 00:15, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Slide composition

Hello User:Max24, wondered if the references for the genres on Slide article should be moved to the "Composition" section, due to there being a lot of genres, the references are taking up unnecessary space in the infobox.--Theo Mandela (talk) 07:13, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

@Theo Mandela: Hi, yes, you can move them to the "Composition" section. I would leave the references in the infobox only if there are any edit wars about it. Or you can ad the explanation in the hidden text so that only the people who edit the article will see it (link). Max24 (talk) 10:07, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
User:Max24, instead of the usual Composition section, this article has "Music and lyrics". Looking at this section, how would you thrase it please?--Theo Mandela (talk) 12:00, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Ed Sheeran discography

Max, I don't understand your constant edits to pages like Ed Sheeran discography, in excess of 20 times a day, every few minutes or so, just to fix a few problems that you could already have fixed in a few edits. These constant edits show up for everybody who has the page on their watchlist. You now appear to be trying to identify problems with it. Identify all the problems, then fix them in one or a few edits. This just floods the edit history of the page. The page is not that busy that you would need to keep saving in order to avoid edit conflicts or something. Ss112 09:10, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

@Ss112: Hi Sean. I know what you mean but it's impossible for me to do it like you say, in one or two edits. Sheeran's discography requires going through all the links, checking every release if it's sourced or has the right peak, format them or searching for the sources. It is work for few days at least (as I can't do it 24/7). I already tried it, but every time I wanted to save bigger changes, there were some kind of edits made by other users. So I decided to make it in parts, for example all Canadian peaks (sources, format) in one edit. I'm hoping for making it all asap, so could you hold on just a little more? :) Max24 (talk) 11:22, 01 April 2017 (UTC)

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All Time Low genre?

Hi User:Max24, do you know any reliable sources that mention what music genre(s) Jon Bellion's All Time Low is? Appreciate it, --Theo Mandela (talk) 17:52, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

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Noskov albums

Hello dear Max24! Can you make articles about Nikolai Noskov's albums Блажь, Паранойя, Дышу тишиной, По пояс в небе, Оно того стоит, Без названия? If you make these articles, i will be grateful! Thank you! --217.66.158.122 (talk) 13:30, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

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Celine Dion 'Next Plane Out' release date

Hi, I noticed you added a specific release date of 16 October 1995 for "Next Plane Out". Just wondering, where did you get this from? I think its release date (in Australia) is more likely to have been 9 October 1995. ARIA publish a weekly publication, 'The ARIA Report', which contains lists of new releases, as well as charts, every week. Unfortunately, no new releases list was published in the ARIA Report dated 8 October 1995 (which would normally contain new releases from the following Monday, 9 October 1995), and "Next Plane Out" is otherwise not listed. You can see here that it is not listed on the 16 October 1995 list - http://i.imgur.com/yD4jpNI.png ; although occasionally ARIA would omit a release, or list it on a later week.Nqr9 (talk) 04:40, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

@Nqr9: Hi,it was based on the entry chart date, 29/10/1995, but maybe it is 8-th. Should I change it? By the way I love your "Australian" wiki work :) Do you have release dates for other Celine's singles, for her albums and videos? Maybe they could be added to articles here? And is The Last to Know her only song between Top100 and Top200 on Aria Singles? -- Max24 (talk) 10:31, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
I've noted down a couple of her release dates from The ARIA Report as follows (day/month/year): 'Where Does My Heart Beat Now' (21/1/1991), '(If There Was) Any Other Way' (3/6/1991), 'The Last To Know' (2/9/1991), 'Beauty and the Beast' (27/1/1992), 'If You Asked Me To' (1/6/1992), 'Nothing Broken But My Heart' (25/1/1993), 'When I Fall In Love' (19/7/1993), 'The Power of Love' (6/12/1993), 'Think Twice' (1/8/1994). I have only gone through the 1990-2000 ARIA Reports I obtained (all of those not archived on the Pandora website) until April 1997 so far for singles, and until June 1991 for albums. I haven't noted down release dates where they occurred two weeks before the top 100 entry date, for week-ending dated charts (those before October 1998), as this means they entered the chart after one week of sales; so I did not note down release dates for 'Love Can Move Mountains', 'Misled' or 'Only One Road'. No release date appears at all for 'Next Plane Out', so it must have been released 9/10/1995 (as the new releases list for singles is missing from that week's ARIA Report). ARIA have release dates on their database too. I don't know about other singles charting outside the top 100, as 'The Last to Know' is the only one my chart-fan contact has asked for (I asked him to forward me the email so that I could take a screen-shot of it to use as a reference here), and I haven't asked for any others yet myself. My contact at ARIA can be a bit slow in getting back to me sometimes (they have other work to do, and it is not a service I pay for), but I or my friend may be able to ask about some other releases in future. Before I saw 'Nothing Broken But My Heart' listed in an ARIA Report, I did not know it was released as a single here! Normally wikipedia pages do not list release dates in different countries, and I think 'Next Plane Out' is her only Australian-only single, but if you want to add them for some releases, I could add a reference for them if you mention which ones they are.Nqr9 (talk) 11:49, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
@Nqr9: Wow, thanks for all the info! I'll let you know if I add some release dates. I'm interested in everiting from ARIA about Celine :) I really appreciate your work! -- Max24 (talk) 10:, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Celine Bio

We need to update the biography of Celine. So many things occur after Encore un Soir Album. Recovering written by Pink, She sang the song for the first time in Stand Up For Cancer. New realease of Show Must Go On Studio version woth Lindsey Stirling, The Sold Out Summer Tour 2016, Fashion Events in Paris Couture, The Voice, Disney New Movie and the Soundtrack, The 20 Anniversary of Titanic in the Billboards, and the Grammy Awards Celine presents the awards to Adele of Álbum of the Year. The Celine Dion Live 2017 in Europe, Sold Out Shows, The fashion shows of Paris, Celine for Vogue, CelineTakesCouture, Pepe Muñoz and New details of the New Álbum, Sia wrote 3 songs. And the New Celine Dion Collection to Nordstorm of 200 pieces of lifestyle things. Maicool04 (talk) 19:10, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for add more information in the bio.

New things of 2017. -Celine as mentor of The Voice USA, Team Gwen (2017) - Celine 1rst Met Gala (2017) -Celine Dion Collection launched with Nordstorm (200 items) 2017 -Celine for Vogue 2017 she record a Fashion videoclip. - At Grammy Awards presents Record of the Year 2017 -Celine sings at the Billboards Music Awards 20 Anniversary of Titanic. (2017) - Celine Takes Couture, Law Roach stylist and attend to Paris Fashion Week. 2016 & 2017.

Maicool04 (talk) 18:09, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Mariah Carey's sales

An old usary, that used to put here in Wiki inflated sales begun to inflate again, I try to reverted a lot of times, and even an administrator seems don't understand the thing, so I can't revert the editions there anymore, he uses an different ip, seems he doesn't want to be blocked now. You said in the Talk page of the Music Box article that the 28kk copies is the more accurate to the sales, so many times I put sources with that number. Also I change to 28kk in the List of best-selling albums and he changed everytime. Also changed it in the Daydream article and in the Mariah Carey albums discography. Can you do something about it?!--88marcus (talk) 18:18, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

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Italian charts

Max, I would think with the amount of pages we've both edited in the past, you would know by now I'm quite thorough when I go through a chart and update all of the peaks on it. I have to say, I don't really appreciate you stepping in to update the rest of an artist's peaks when I've done one. You just did it with Sam Smith's single peaks in Italy after I added the album peak—I was getting to those. I think it's a matter of common courtesy if you've seen an editor do it all before to leave it alone. It's not a race. It's not "I'm just helping you out :)"—I don't need help; I've got it covered. I wouldn't interrupt you updating or having one of your extended editing sessions on an article, so it might not be what you intend, but that's what it feels like you're doing to me in order to be the "first" to do it. Whether it's Celine Dion, George Michael, or whoever else you're having a moment with—unless you're the first to find that chart before another editor who's already started updating it, please leave them to do the rest. Most generally would, and I do. Thanks. Ss112 17:32, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

@Ss112: Hi Sean. I'm honestly sorry if I made you feel this way, this wasn't my intention. I'm interested only in making/updating articles of several artists I respect. It's of course Celine Dion, also Sam Smith, Ed Sheeran and few others. And I'm also very iterested in their charts and certifications. I hope it won't be a problem in the future, although I'm not sure what to do? Do I always have to look at the history of your edits to know what chart you're updating at the moment? You seem to update charts for various artists. I go to the chart website - I know the day and the hour it appears - and I look only for example for Smith or Sheeran. I'm not intrested in every new entry or peak on the chart. -- Max24 (talk) 12:54, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
I assumed in the same session you would have checked to see if the Italian peak had been added for the album and saw that it already had been; what I meant is if you see somebody has already updated a Smith or Sheeran or peak by whomever, that they may be updating the rest of that chart's peaks so will be getting around to the others and it may seem a bit rude to them when they see someone's done it before them. Sometimes it's unavoidable, especially as some IP editors don't care about other peaks, just for one article or a few. I don't know about any other editor's routine for updating peaks, but I know I go around to all the applicable articles (or try). Ss112 22:12, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

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Hi Max. As much as I don't mind you referring to me by my first name on my talk page, on article talk pages, others might not know who "Sean" is, and I don't really want users I don't know at all thinking they can also refer to me by my first name there either. So I think on public talk pages, it's best to just leave it at Ss112. Also, don't be afraid to revert users on Perfect (Ed Sheeran song) if they're claiming Beyoncé's version is credit when the source they're adding doesn't credit her. It's original research and should be removed. Ss112 00:40, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Hey Max, if you see the IP 122.3.177.145 restoring edits on Perfect (Ed Sheeran song) again, please revert them. They're moving entries arbitrarily into their own Beyonce-only section and adding links to digital sales chart number-one lists, which are irrelevant. They don't seem to get the etiquette when being reverted. Thanks. Ss112 15:38, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

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In the tracklisting section currently all songs are listed as written by Miley Cyrus and Oren Yoel per album booklet. But also said "All lyrics by Miley Cyrus". 183.171.183.219 (talk) 18:15, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

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Celine Dion's French singles not eligible to chart?

Hi Max, I was looking at Celine Dion singles discography earlier and I'm curious as to the wording of the notes for her early French singles that I assume you added, that say each song wasn't eligible to chart on the overall Canadian Singles Chart. Why is that? Is it because the singles had a limited release in Quebec? I assume it's not because they're in French... Just thought I'd ask since I don't know if it's explained anywhere why that is. Thanks! Ss112 07:57, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

@Ss112: Hi. These singles could not chart on the main Canadian chart because they were released locally in Quebec only. Her English singles, released in the whole Canada, entered the chart. By the way, Quebec was poorly covered by the chart system. They counted mainly English-speaking Canada. For example D'eux reached only #29. And the chart-run was like this: 58-59-51-47-43-36-29-31-40-54-64-70-76-76-78-83-90. Luckily CRIA was better at this, and they certified the album 7xPlatinum. Dion's first French single to enter the main chart was "Sous le vent" in late 2001 (SoundScan system), when the CD singles market was already dead.
By they way, I would like to ask you about something else :) Did you notice that spanishcharts.com made some changes? They removed the sales only chart and replaced it with sales+streaming chart. This includes all singles since January 2015. So now many positions on Wiki are "incorrect" because users for the last 3 years updated the charts with sales chart which is gone now... -- Max24 (talk) 07:41, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for that! By the way, do you live in Canada, or have you just read a lot about it? Also yep, I knew about the spanishcharts.com change. In a way it's good, so that we don't have disparities between PROMUSICAE's website and whatever form of sales/consumption spanishcharts.com used—I believe it can still be found under their "Top 50 Physical/Digital Singles" listing at http://spanishcharts.com/weekchart.asp?cat=s3, but you're right—it does leave a lot of information now unsourced by the link (as many songs entered the top 50 that didn't enter PROMUSICAE's chart at all). Perhaps there's some way or reformatting the existing entries that relied on spanishcharts.com to link to the archived list of the "physical/digital" top 50 (for instance, by linking directly to pages like http://spanishcharts.com/weekchart.asp?cat=s3&year=2018&date=20180304)... I'm not sure. Ss112 07:14, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
@Ss112: No, I don't live in Canada but I did a lot of research around 2006 looking for Dion's chart history. Until mid-1990s, there were two official Canadian chart publications, RPM and The Record. The Records Singles chart was purely sales, unlike RPM's Top 100 singles chart that was modelled on Billboard Hot 100 and along with sales included airplay data. In 1989, RPM switched to airplay singles chart only, and laler transformed it into Hot Tracks chart that featured tracks not singles, while The Record still retained its singles sales chart. Both magazines published a wide variety of genre-orientated airplay charts. In 1996, Canadian record industry introduced Nielsen Soundscan system for tracking sales, and sales based charts in RPM (albums) and The Record (albums and singles) became more or less obsolete. Later, introduction of BDS made their airplay charts redundant as well. I have Dion's chart history from all these charts :) None of her French (Quebec only) singles charted on RPM or The Record as they were sold or played in just one province of Canada. And the system poorly covered Quebec. SoundScan changed it and included more Quebec music retailers and monitored more Quebec radios. Because of that Dion's French albums could top the main albums chart in Canada and her French songs could enter for example National AC chart, which includes mainly English songs. The power of Quebec can be easily shown, for example Dion's latest album Encore un soir debuted at number one, selling 60,175 copies, including 57,085 in Quebec alone. It means 95% was sold in Quebec :) -- Max24 (talk) 09:17, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

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@Martinevans123: Hi :) No, I wasn't aware of this page. How to fix it? Should there be separate disambiguation pages for Where Is the Love and Where's the Love? -- Max24 (talk) 17:46, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
I'm not sure. Having one single DAB page, for both variants of the title, seems to have some merit up until now? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:53, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
@Martinevans123: Ok, I redirected it to Where's the Love (disambiguation) and added there more info. Thanks for your help :) -- Max24 (talk) 17:58, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Reveal (Roxette song)

Hi. Is there a reason why you disambiguated Reveal (song) to Reveal (Roxette song)? I can't find any discussion explaining this change anywhere on your recent contributions page. Plus, there's no other song article on Wikipedia with "Reveal" as its title, so adding "Roxette" seems like unnecessary disambiguation to me. Unless you plan on creating one for the Celine Dion song? If so, you'd probably need consensus for disambiguating a single for the sake of an album track that didn't chart anywhere. Homeostasis07 (talk) 22:29, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

@Homeostasis07: Hi, I have added more songs to the Reveal disambiguation page. There's many songs titled "Reveal". I'm not planning to create an artilce about any of them. If you think that Reveal (song) is a better choice because there's no other "Reveal" song artilce yet, please undo my edit. In that case, I think there should be an information at the top of the Reveal (song) about the Reveal disambiguation page. -- Max24 (talk) 10:45, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
I don't particularly care either way, so it's probably just easier to leave it as it is now. I just think it's a bit pointless to have "Reveal (Roxette song)" when there isn't another song article titled "Reveal" on the entire website. The point of disambiguation is to limit confusion and make it easier to find things. But in a case like this, there isn't really anything else to find. Regards. Homeostasis07 (talk) 00:47, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
Similarly, There Comes a Time (album) is the only article about anything called There Comes a Time. If a page like that must be moved, please fix all resulting mis-directed links: several other articles which used to link to the article now link to the disambiguation page instead. Thanks, Certes (talk) 22:45, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
@Certes: Hi, I have found another album titled There Comes a Time and at least 8 songs with this title. I added them. Because of this, I think there should be a There Comes a Time disambiguation page and a There Comes a Time (album) article. Another user just fixed the redirects :) -- Max24 (talk) 11:19, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

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@George Ho: Hi, I might start some of them :) If I do, I'll start with the ones which charted in various countries, because of the notability criteria :) By the way, the success of the soundtrack and its songs is incredible. I think even Gaga is surprised :) -- Max24 (talk) 15:40, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
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Hi. When you create redirects, can you please add and source a mention of it at the target article if there is not one already? Earlier today you created redirects for a tour, song and album all called "Courage" as redirects to Celine Dion, but you inserted no mention of these at her article, and there was nothing about a song of this name being announced anyway. It does not matter if you think somebody will make articles for them soon, if there is no supporting material at the target article, they can and frequently are deleted. Not being mentioned at the target is a frequent reason for deletion, especially at RfD, and there are editors who go around and find these and nominate them for deletion, so it's in your best interest to make sure they are at least mentioned at the target. Thanks. Ss112 04:49, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Max24, you've been around a long enough time and should know to to reference articles and what reliable references are. Or maybe not. Please have a look at Courage (Celine Dion album) - I've tidied it up a bit. Happy to help at with anything, anytime - just let me know. Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 10:44, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

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@MaranoFan: You're right, I thought these songs charted on Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs. Thanks. -- Max24 (talk) 21:33, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

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Hi Max24. Is "Taylor Swift Productions, Inc." a label? Like Madonna's company "Boy Toy, Inc." and Bryan Adams' "Badman", which are copyright holders for their music, not a label. 2402:1980:8255:C099:A343:ACEF:6D2B:5BA6 (talk) 08:38, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

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We do not add sources in the lead? Where did that come from?

Max24, you undid my addition of a citation in the lead with the statement that we do not add sources to the lead, and that it is mentioned elsewhere in the article. Yes, we do add sources to the lead paragraph, and into the infobox. There is no protected location in the article where sources cannot be added. Now if you had opened your edit summary by just saying that the release date was sourced elsewhere in the article, that would have been a neutral edit. Your edit came across to me as a preference edit.

I am writing on your talk page instead of reverting your edit on Celine Dion album article because there are citations for the release date elsewhere that were adequate, if concealed in the thick of the article instead of being obvious in the lead, but I wanted to let you know that part of your argument was specious. Mburrell (talk) 03:38, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

@Mburrell: WP:LEADCITE is a thing, so I assume that's where it came from. Sure, we can add sources to the lead, but they are not necessary if they are sourced in the body of the article. (Don't require pings if you're replying, just noticed this and thought I'd drop in.) Ss112 05:11, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
Mburrell -- I think the question is whether the text being supported is complex, current, or controversial. If not, no need for the cite in the lede is what our rules suggest. Best. --2604:2000:E010:1100:9191:6CF0:901E:D086 (talk) 19:19, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

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Courage peaks

Hi. As a precursor before Celine's latest album starts charting in countries from Friday, can I please ask that we don't have a repeat of the toxic behaviour you engaged in several years back, running around to try and add every peak for Encore un soir before me or anybody else, camping on every country's charts when they updated or hanging on any little bit of news like the French chart position to do it before me? Like, we know, you're a superfan of Celine Dion. That doesn't mean you have to exert control of every little aspect of anything relating to her on Wikipedia. I do not want to compete with you or any editor for who can do what first, and given your history, you're more than willing to try to make it a competition. So I'm asking you to not do that this time around. I will update most charts quite promptly (not all, as I don't do all. If I haven't added them within several hours then obviously I'm not going to). Thank you. Ss112 14:27, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

@Ss112: Hi Sean. I was updatding charts on Celine articles since 2006, and you're telling me that I shouldn't do that on her 2016 French album and her upcoming 2019 English album because you wanted/want to do it? You're telling me that the fact that I worked the most on these articels does not give me the bigger right to update charts there? I agree, but what gives you the bigger right to update Celine's charts? I was updating them 10 years before you, so maybe you're the one who should respect that? You could have written something nice here asking me and I could agree, yet you started writting about me as a toxic person. One look on your comments towards other editors and it's clear who's behaviour is toxic. You, Sean, are the reason I'm not editing Wikipedia so often as before, because you were mean to me and others many times and I felt bad because of you :( I can refrain from updating Courage charts on one condition: I want you to promise me here not to be mean to me in the future. -- Max24 (talk) 16:24, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
I didn't call you a toxic person; I called it "toxic" to race ahead of editors who regularly update charts just to do it for one artist so that editor can't. People can do toxic things without being toxic, and if I feel editors have done "toxic" things, then I'm not going to be as nice as I possibly could to them—a better person might, but not me. And I'm quite sure with the Encore un soir charts back in 2016, you were doing those in a hurry so as to do them first, and make it a competition, which feels "toxic" any time someone does that—not just you. Furthermore, I have never intended to be "mean" to you, Max, and I find it quite hard to believe that I am apparently the sole reason (or, you claim me to be) that you don't edit Wikipedia as often as you used to. I have never even spoken to you that much to have that much of an effect on you. Ss112 16:07, 19 November 2019 (UTC)