User talk:Jeff G./Archives/2010/August

WP:RPP

Hi, about half an hour, you made a revert on UFC Live: Jones vs. Matyushenko. The page is now suffering badly through vandalism. I've filed a request at RPP, but as usual, no admin is there to answer. Since you;re still active atm, could you please make an evaluation and protect the page please. Cheers. Paralympiakos (talk) 01:29, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I would if I could at WP:RFPP, but I'm not an administrator yet.   — Jeff G.  ツ 01:31, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

My bad. I've seen your name around a lot and presumed you were an admin. Paralympiakos (talk) 01:32, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry if it seems like badgering, but when do you think you'll be standing for adminship? You'd easily get a co-nom from me, or at the very least, a support. Paralympiakos (talk) 01:49, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for asking! I would appreciate it if you would take a look at User:Jeff G./Admin coaching, User:Jeff G./Coaching, and their talk pages. Thanks again!   — Jeff G.  ツ 01:51, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Final comment (I know how aggravating multiple orange banners can be): I've had a look at those. Not sure what to include to a talk page, but I'll be keeping my eye out at RFA anyway. Good luck with any future campaign! Paralympiakos (talk) 02:01, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Any input would be appreciated, even via wikimail. Thanks!   — Jeff G.  ツ 02:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Re: Micronations

Yeah, I did. I run the micronation Safiria, and I need someone to design a website, do graphics design, and generally be Prime Minister (semipresidential). CJ Miller. (^{That's my name.}_{Don't wear it out.}) 02:34, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I left you a message on your Wikia wiki.   — Jeff G.  ツ 04:41, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

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Ahem....

Please explain how these edits constituite vandalism. And don't crack it at me for picking you up on it. It's not nice to bite newcomers just because they don't know how things are done propery like you and me. Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 02:30, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

The user has 358 edits to the English and Spanish Wikipedias, and has been editing for over a week. Shabidoo asked him to provide references at 02:47 on 28 July 2010 (UTC). Analyzing his actions today from his user talk page: first he blanked Mathías Cabrera; second he removed content in this edit without explanation; third he added unsourced content to a BLP in this edit; fourth he added more unsourced content to a BLP in this edit; finally he deleted a dated prod blp template in this edit. All of those actions are unacceptable without explanations.   — Jeff G.  ツ 02:46, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

But still, it's not vandalism. Their actions to me don't look like a deliberate attempt to screw the encyclopedia. Cut newbies some slack, ok? :) Poke them in the right direction. Don't just say YOURE DOING IT WRONG, but explain why they're wrong, and not with lots of links like WP:VAND, WP:POL, WP:V, WP:NPOV, and so on. We're used to it, but to a newcomer that just looks like nonsense. :) Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 02:54, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought Shabidoo had already done that a week ago. How long does a user stay a newbie?   — Jeff G.  ツ 02:55, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Until their editing improves. If they're truely a vandal, it will become evident that they're here only to cause trouble. Otherwise their editing will improve eventually. 03:00, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

OK, so do you consider this edit vandalism?   — Jeff G.  ツ 03:02, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Not after seeing the revision after it. It became evident that they wanted the page deleted after, but not at the time I undid their edit. Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 03:06, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

troika productions inc.

i created my first article today listing the profile and productions of my company. i'm new to this so bear with me. i did not do this to promote or sell any product. we are one of the oldest production companies in vancouver and there is a historical point to our entry. in fact, none of our programs are even available for sale.

how can i rectify the perception that this article is meant to promote a product.

thank you in advance,

walter daroshin

walter@leoawards.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Walterdaroshin (talk • contribs) 03:24, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and WP:COI. You shouldn't be creating or editing articles related to you due to a conflict of interest. elektrikSHOOS 03:26, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

The best place to start is to look for reliable sources, such as newspapers, that mention your company in a significant way. It's pretty easy for anyone to say that they/their company is important, but unless other people think so as well, then its not really something we can add on Wikipedia. Also, it's not generally allowable for you to edit an article that is about you, or who you work for, but it's perfectly fine to make suggestions on the talk page and allow other editors to make the changes. Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 03:29, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Both of the above replies are right. Also, any article on your company will need verifiable references from reliable sources.   — Jeff G.  ツ 03:31, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Ed Martin talk page

I had accidentally attached a hang on to the talk page instead of main page and was given a message to deleate it. I went on and did that as I was asked. there was no other information on the talk page. I'm not sure how I can "restore" it when i was asked to delete it? -Raszoo —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raszoo (talk • contribs) 18:06, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

I fixed it for you in these edits. You can "restore" using the "undo" feature accessed from the "page history".   — Jeff G.  ツ 18:11, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Honda NSR125

You claim my editing to be dubious as I was the originally writer of the article, you revert back to incorrect details, I have built an NSR125 from scratch,currently own 2 on top of other bikes, have de-restricted 10 plus nsr's and I am a qualified mechanical engineer.

I, along with a friend have compilied much information regarding these bikes over the years as they are one of the few which so many regional differences in one continent and would appreciate if you claim my editing to be dubious you at least put correct information.

Regards

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_NSR125 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wheeeeelie (talk • contribs) 21:40, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

RE: Georgia

RE: this, I have since added a reference in support of the content. Yet, it is ironic that you reverted to a version that was even more dubious and also unsourced, not to mention inaccurate, redundant (with the country's location being expanded upon in the next sentence), and not derived through consensus (as it was added by someone in Georgia who clearly has an opinion on the country's inclusion in Europe above all). Perhaps you should be more discriminating in what you blindly revert to, or don't bother. 76.68.80.199 (talk) 02:13, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Sockpuppet Notice

I am not abusively using accounts, I created another alt account, シ because I lost the password to my other, QwertyQwerpus. I then redirected their userpages and talkpages to mine so that people would leave me messages at my main account's talk page. ~ Qwerp Q ⋮ T ☏ C ✄ ⋮ 04:52, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

So now you have three accounts? Why not try recovering the password for your first account?   — Jeff G.  ツ 04:54, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

I also lost the password for the email I registered with it when I lost my alt acc's password - I was changing the settings of my web browser and decided to clear the cache, history, private data, ect. but then it wouldn't autofill my wikipedia login info anymore. Fortunately, I wrote this account's password down so I then went to register a new alt with the same password, I apologize if it seemed as if I was sockpuppeting. ~ Qwerp Q ⋮ T ☏ C ✄ ⋮ 05:06, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

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The SPI Case has been closed with these comments...

Comments
{{SPI case status|close}} Looks like he simply abandoned the old account and is now using a new account. I don't see any abusive socking here. –MuZemike 04:47, 6 August 2010 (UTC) Jeff, once again you jumped the gun, assumed bad faith, and reported someone as a sock before you even did your homework. I am closing this with  No action taken. Tiptoety talk 05:19, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

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Bye. ~ Qwerp Q ⋮ T ☏ C ✄ ⋮ 05:32, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

United States Senate elections in Illinois, 2010

If you're an admin or something, you might want to check if Namiba == Jerrwhatshisface. Namiba never contributed anything to the article before reverting my edit just now. Linuxrocks123 (talk)linuxrocks123 —Preceding undated comment added 05:13, 6 August 2010 (UTC).

Doubtful.   — Jeff G.  ツ 05:19, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Beans On Toast

Hi Jeff, sorry to keep bothering you!

Thank you for directing me to the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, and the guidelines for musical groups in particular, regarding the pages I created for Beans On Toast and Handshake (band). After reading the guidelines, I agree that the page for Handshake should be deleted.

However, I created the Beans On Toast page following an article I read in the New Musical Express (better known as the NME), a popular music magazine in the United Kingdom that has been published weekly since March 1952. I am aware of other published articles regarding his notability, both online and in print. Can I therefore ask the following questions: 1) How does one reference a magazine/newspaper article? 2) I am away this weekend, will the page be deleted if I am unable to locate references until next week? 3) I have just found a previous article regarding Beans On Toast by another user, User:Zakistan/Beans on toast (Musician). Should I attempt to combine both articles?

Thanks again, Citythepillar (talk) 07:19, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

For Handshake, please add {{db-author}} to it (without "tl|"). For Beans On Toast, citation templates can be found at WP:CITATION, I have userfied it to User:Citythepillar/Beans On Toast, and yes you should try to combine them. You're welcome.   — Jeff G.  ツ 07:28, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Considering nominating you for adminship

Considering your work on other Wiki projects (and adminship there as well), sysop privileges on the English Wikipedia are long, long overdue. Let me know if you're interested. elektrikSHOOS 01:32, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I would appreciate it if you would take a look at User:Jeff G./Admin coaching, User:Jeff G./Coaching, and their talk pages. Thanks again!   — Jeff G.  ツ 02:55, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Best of luck to you. elektrikSHOOS 03:23, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Jeff, my honest advice at this moment would be to wait. Without meaning you any disrespect, I think it would be unwise to go though with an RfA right now. I'd advise you to leave it a few months and take things a bit slower. I think you're a little too hasty and that will count against you at RfA and is not something to be desired in an admin. Of course, you can totally disregard my advice, but I think highly enough of you to offer it even if you do. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:50, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you both. I appreciate the attempt, but I'd like to postpone this nomination, as I was not entirely prepared for it, I have some things going on in RL that will reduce my time online in the coming weeks, and I am currently running for Steward on the Test Wiki. Please note that I am also a Community Relations Member there (which supercedes Oversighter), and my Helper status there supercedes Bureaucrat. In the meantime, more comments at User:Jeff G./Coaching and User:Jeff G./Admin coaching and their talk pages would certainly be welcome. Thank you.   — Jeff G.  ツ 04:12, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

No problem, it was just a nom. Good luck on your hopeful Stewardship! elektrikSHOOS 06:24, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!   — Jeff G.  ツ 16:57, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Kasparov versus the World

World Team vs Kasparov

Hi,

Thanks for the advice but everything I said can be verified with the same references as are cited in the story. The links given in the reference section stopped working weeks after the game. If you reduced the story to what can be verified by real sources there would be no story left. Even the books cited are nothing but the authors opinions, no chess book is properly cited and no claim made by any of them can be independently verified with a source that would be accepted in science, for instance. There are simply no real records of what was said on the boards.

5.^ a b COMPLETE COMMENTARY BY MOVE MSN.com 6.^ Today's Move, 10-14 MSN.com 7.^ Today's Move, 10-14 MSN.com

They were kept on a server in Austrailia for about a year (http://www.maths.uq.edu.au/~rwb/kas/76220.txt) and then they too were gone. I was there and made major contributions to the game. I am simply trying to turn the story from the NPOV that people complained about in the notes to a more objective story of what happened. I would like to have a refernce for Kasparov admitting he cheated by readind the board, but it is common knowledge in the chess world and I confirmed it with Mig Greengard, an employee of Kasparov's. He could be listed as a source but Kasparov went on the record with his quote about needed an edge. I put the databases I used in the explanation of the true theory of this line it seemed redundant to put them in the references with this level of citation. The story of the theory previously was unverified and false nonsense about the move being so great it caused the line to disappear from chess. In fact more than 100 people have played like Kasparov while 28 played like the WT with only 5 games since 2001 and none since 2008. I did add one of the only remaining true news sources for the game https://theweekinchess.com/html/twic258.html for the voting scandal but I don't know why a [1] appears in the 6th refernce. I think there is little doubt I removes sheer conjecture and steered the article into a more neutral and truthful version of events. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.23.89.145 (talk) 04:45, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Found the reference !! Kaspy vs world

http://webspace.webring.com/people/gb/bmcc333/outline.html#Kasparov vs the World

In his chat room interview World champion Kasparov made a stunningly honest disclosure he admitted reading the World team strategy board explaining "Host Chris_MSNBC says: Did you come frequently read our comments in the BBS? Host Garry_Kasparov says: Of course I used it to my advantage to look around and follow the discussion on MSN.COM about the game" !! He also gave the team credit for a game at the highest level: " I think that the world deserves to make a draw..." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.23.89.145 (talk) 04:58, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for that reference. The appropriate format for it here is as follows:

• McCarthy, Brian Ph.D. (2009-06-21). "Kasparov vs. The World Team". Dr. Brian McCarthy Ph.D. Retrieved 2010-08-07.

  — Jeff G.  ツ 15:58, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Another follows:

• Jakobsen, Steen (1999-10-23). "Latest outline - Kasparov vs. the World - Oktober 22 - Game over: The World resigns - Kasparov declares mate in 25". Archived from the original on 2000-01-19. Retrieved 2010-08-07.

  — Jeff G.  ツ 16:42, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

And a third:

• Regan, Dr. Kenneth W. (2000-01-04). "MSN/First USA Match: Garry Kasparov vs. the World". Dr. Kenneth W. Regan. Retrieved 2010-08-07.

  — Jeff G.  ツ 16:51, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

user warning

I think you may have misunderstood the situation at User talk:Bakrbinaziz, and I have advised the user accordingly. Please see the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Al-Jamiatul Ahlia Darul Ulum Moinul Islam. DGG ( talk ) 07:24, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I have replied on both pages.   — Jeff G.  ツ 07:49, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Ethanol fuel

Thanks for helping me on Ethanol fuel. Any idea if that mincing in any way was done by Wikipedia and not something wrong with my PC? 189.27.46.185 (talk) 04:42, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

It's tough to tell. At least you didn't mince this page. :)   — Jeff G.  ツ 04:43, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

At least not yet =). Have you heard of that happening before? 189.27.46.185 (talk) 04:45, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

It can happen in cases where there is lots of radio interference causing the wireless mouse to move around and wireless keyboard to appear to type things, and similarly causing spurious signals in mouse and keyboard wiring. The typical symptom on the screen has been described as "the cursor going nuts" or "moving by itself". Has that been happening on your PC?   — Jeff G.  ツ 04:50, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, both my mouse and keyboard are wired, but the Wi-Fi router is close to their wires. They haven't moved or done anything by themselves lately. The weird thing is that what's changed are specific words, it seems intentional. I thought maybe it could be some sort of communications failure, data getting corrupt along the way and then the characters arrive shifted. Or maybe some sort of malware, just randomly messing up Wiki edits. Never seen it happen in other sites, and it happened when editing on Firefox and Chrome. 189.27.46.185 (talk) 11:18, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps it was something between your PC and Wikipedia's reverse proxies.   — Jeff G.  ツ 22:56, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

3RR

I have not vilated the 3RR it was User:88.109.9.182--Kitchen Knife (talk) 23:54, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

OK.   — Jeff G.  ツ 03:28, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Give you reply. You should note that 3 reverts is OK it is the 4th that breaks the rule. "The four or more reverts that constitute a violation of the rule may involve the same or different material each time. The rule applies per person, not per account; reverts made by multiple accounts count together." --Kitchen Knife (talk) 11:11, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

TNA Hardcore Justice

I noticed you reverted the addition of Beulah McGillicutty as being with Tommy Dreamer at the event. Technically, it was true. I am watching the PPV as we speak and she was indeed there. She didn't accompany him to ringside but did end up in the ring, though they acknowledged her by her real name Trisa. Tommy's wife Trisa was indeed Beulah McGillicutty in ECW. So I wouldn't call it dubious, but since she didn't actually come to the ring with him perhaps she doesn't get a "with" mention. Shootmaster 44 (talk) 02:41, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation.   — Jeff G.  ツ 03:28, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the help!

I'm still new to this and keep getting flack from others i.e. what's going on with the edit you reverted for me. Zoro1234 (talk) 03:17, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Which edit?   — Jeff G.  ツ 03:27, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Insertion of Logo's

Thank you for alerting me to guidance regarding logo's within the main body of text. I had not considered any possible legal issues. I have now stopped. However, I did not notice your edits or messages until I had changed the first few West Ham United squad players. This has resulted in a Level 2 warning - perhaps due to 'vandalism'?. I am not familiar with the warnings system on wikipedia, could you please explain, as this was an innocent mistake on my part for someone new to the website. Cheers! citythepillar —Preceding unsigned comment added by Citythepillar (talk • contribs) 06:42, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

I have reverted those warnings. Thank you for heeding the guidance.   — Jeff G.  ツ 06:46, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Jeff, I have found other examples of users displaying logo's on wikipedia, such as here: Paolo Di Canio. Should I revert the users edits or leave that sort of thing for admin? Citythepillar (talk) 09:52, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for leaving a note in the right spot

People are vandalizing my user page, vandals should be blocked. Reverting vandalism is not even considered 1RR. If you want to ban boxes, then change the policy. It is legal to do. Besides, just ask me nicely and in a few days, I might very well grant your wish. Try to break down the door and throw tear gas in the window and anyone would fight back. Thank you, Jeff, for leaving a note rather than messing with my talk page. RIPGC (talk) 04:01, 8 August 2010 (UTC) Also, Jeff, please consider notify Elektrik Shoos , Beyond my Ken, and HalfShadow with the same warning about other's (my) edits, i.e. user box. Thank you. RIPGC (talk) 04:04, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Sigh. Look at the discussion at WP:AN/I, and the appeal he made to Jimbo. elektrikSHOOS 04:44, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm about to leave a note w/ the user, but he's allowed to revert as many times on his talk page as he likes and suggesting that you are undertaking the action "drama mongering" is not a personal attack in any broad sense. It may be indecorous and obnoxious, but it isn't a personal attack. Protonk (talk) 04:54, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Not only that, but I've re-worded it. Even with nobody asking. If you want something, ask nicely. That box could have been removed just by asking nicely.

Anyway, please do not edit on my talk page for at least 72 hours. I get upset when you do. Maybe it is cultural, but somehow it is very upsetting. Thank you. RIPGC (talk) 04:59, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

OK, but please do me the same courtesy. Thank you.   — Jeff G.  ツ 05:07, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, turns out he was some sock of a banned user trolling ppl. Eventually I'll learn not to play good cop. Protonk (talk) 17:36, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Catholic Church article

Is this a joke? i did not do anything wrong. the article of the Catholic Church was one of the best on Wikipedia, before its was change by anti catholic pepole (you can see on the page history witch pepole change it) and it now became B-Class article. as a Catholic i just want to fix it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.173.161.201 (talk) 20:00, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

This discussion belongs on Talk:Catholic Church.   — Jeff G.  ツ 20:03, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Leopard Capital

Hi,

I have just removed the information from Leopard Capital page, which was considered against Wiki's policies, just wanna be neutral. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Avatarworld (talk • contribs) 02:08, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Which policies? It seemed to be referenced information. If you do that again, please state why in your Edit Summary. Thanks!   — Jeff G.  ツ 02:17, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

time Constant edits

hello, I am not sure why you would consider varifiable edits to the time constant page. i am the artist time constant and not sure how to add my information to the page because it deals with an electrical phenominon. i hardly see adding this as vandalism and what to understant. thank you. you can contact me at occilate@gmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.190.122.234 (talk) 02:52, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

As I wrote in my Edit Summary for this edit to Time constant, "This article is about the physics and engineering time constant, usually denoted by the Greek letter τ (tau). If you want an article about Roger Time, make it elsewhere." Here, I've made a page for you to play with at User:Jeff G./Time constant (musician), but it needs verifiable reliable sources and to satisfy WP:MUSIC and WP:GNG.   — Jeff G.  ツ 03:19, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Youkai

Plus check japanese wiki pages in terms of beings like Hinoenma[[1]].72.184.129.252 (talk) 04:04, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

First, you write the article here on English Wikipedia, citing verifiable reliable sources. Only then should you link to that article. Sorry, I can't read the Japanese language.   — Jeff G.  ツ 04:16, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

I know a guy who does. Plus, I have a translator for cases of kanji. Besides, I don't need to write an article in this case. You were asking for verification which I presented to you.72.184.129.252 (talk) 06:45, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that information. I have added "(飛縁魔)" to article List of legendary creatures from Japan.   — Jeff G.  ツ 17:40, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Lil Jon

So is Lil Jon botswanian? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.8.143.161 (talk) 04:58, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Have you found a verifiable reliable source that says he is or isn't? Thanks!   — Jeff G.  ツ 17:34, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

- for catching and reverting the vandalism to my user page.--Kudpung (talk) 15:11, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome.   — Jeff G.  ツ 17:33, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Shortcuts at Wikipedia:Don't shoot yourself in the foot

Hello! To be clear, five shortcuts is the technical maximum, not the recommended number. It's best to include substantially fewer (ideally one or two) in the box. Displaying additional shortcuts needlessly distracts from the better ones and cause the header box to balloon at higher resolutions. (Here is a comparison.)
In this instance, "WP:FOOTSHOT" is a longer and less memorable variant of "WP:SHOT," "WP:OUCH" has only a peripheral connection, and "WP:BOOMERANG" is long and refers to a concept not mentioned on the page. —David Levy 08:02, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

OK, I'm fine with FOOTSHOT, and I'm not going to argue with you about OUCH, so I've removed those two. I have addressed BOOMERANG on the page.   — Jeff G.  ツ 18:10, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Your question

Your question was answered: [2]. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 12:17, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I replied there.   — Jeff G.  ツ 20:58, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

User talk:Jeff G./Archives/2010/August

Hi Jeff, hope you don't mind, I've just made a small change to User talk:Jeff G./Archives/2010/August to prevent the article from showing up on Category:SPI cases pending close, hope that's okay. Kindest regards, Spitfire^Tally-ho! 18:20, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

No problem, thanks for the notification.   — Jeff G.  ツ 18:37, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

File:US Navy 030616-N-9593R-206 The Korean War Veterans Memorial at ground level.jpg

Could you please make up your mind concerning the PD/non-free thing? The image cannot be both PD and non-free- as far as Wikipedia is concerned, it's black and white. If the sculpture in PD and you took the photo, the copyright belongs to you, so release it as you wish. If the sculpture is not PD, the image is non-free. J Milburn (talk) 23:25, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

The sculpture is non-PD; rights to images of it are held by Frank Gaylord. The picture of it ostensibly "is a work of a sailor or employee of the U.S. Navy, taken or made during the course of the person's official duties", but neither the U.S. Navy nor its Chief Warrant Officer Seth Rossman has the right to profit from such a picture, as neither has contracted with Mr. Gaylord for the privilege. Thus, I claim the picture is non-free, and participated in the discussions and tagging that got it and similar pictures deleted from Wikimedia Commons. However, we have fair use here on English Wikipedia, so we can use this picture here as fair use. To remove some confusion, I have made this edit to its description page.   — Jeff G.  ツ 00:11, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

E. Howard & Co.

Jeff,

I have published a book and numerous articles on Howard watches and I added information and corrected text in the article on E. Howard & Company in good faith. I do not understand why my edits were reverted. The admonition I recieved to cite sources strikes me as odd, since virtually no other sources are cited in the article. I was being consistent! The one item I removed from the chronology referred to the US Watch Co. and had nothing to do with the subject of the article. If you would like me to cite sources for my changes, I can certainly to do so, chapter and verse, but they would appear odd, since they would be the only facts thus cited in the article. The links I added, and which were removed, are quite valuable. They provide very detailed information on Howard watch products.

Clint Geller, PhD, Fellow, National Association of Watch & Clock Collectors, [elided] Clint Geller (talk) 03:57, 15 August 2010 (UTC)Clint Geller

Hi, Dr. Geller, and thanks for writing and for creating an account. Yes, citations would be very helpful, particularly inline. The article currently has four references and two footnotes. Please see the set of citation templates at WP:CITATION. I have put back your changes.   — Jeff G.  ツ 04:09, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

"Parable" reversion in article "Tahash"

From time to time I check "view history" of the article "Tahash." I noted with interest your reversion of additional material this date in the article "Tahash" pertaining to "Parable" with reference to Tahash. It appears that you did not read the (contributor's) linked article "Parable". I myself (after reading it) found the anonymous contributor's additions interesting and reasonable, since there is utterly no evidence to date for an historical appearance of a desert creature whose hide could be made into a single seamless curtain over 58 feet long and over 9 feet wide--even the cryptid elasmotherium is not so large. This fact does strongly suggest the possibility that the Talmudic accounts of tahash as an animal were intentionally parabolic teachings emphasizing the wonder of the power of Hashem and the uniqueness of Mishkan. I can see from the link to "Parable" that the descriptions in the Physiologus were actually Christian parables of Late Antiquity. I have read Physiologus and I am grateful for the insight. The possibility of "tahash" (denoting a wondrous creature specially created for the Mishkan) as a parable of the unique creative power and special favor of Heaven contributes to the primary etymological discussion of the causes of semantic change in the meaning of the word "tahash" over a period of 45 centuries. In the case of Talmudic parables, when the reader does not advert to the real intention of the writer and take account of the circumstances and the modes of expression of the historical and cultural period (milieu) of the writing, the actual teaching can be lost--curiosity and sensation ("WOW") takes the place of wisdom and understanding. This is precisely why Talmudic study takes years, as it should. (Read the wikipedia article on Gamaliel.) The ancients wished to impress upon their students and readers the greatness and uniqueness of the Revelation of Torah to Moshe and of the wisdom and worship of Israel as superior to the superstitions of goyim. Stories of wonder are calculated to pique the interest of the student and of the curious inquirer and increase the persuasive force of the rhetorical value of Tanakh leading to true wisdom. Reading the descriptive accounts of tahash in the Talmud fills me with wonder and admiration and appreciation for the mystery and wonder and power of Hashem. That seems to me to be their primary value. Regarding them as inerrantly factual scientific encyclopedic entries is missing the point, in fact is pointless. Consider with good will the possibility of reverting your reversion this date after reading the article "Parable". I leave that to you, and wish you well. Shalom. Hermitstudy (talk) 06:54, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that. My reversion has already been reverted.   — Jeff G.  ツ 14:55, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Fort Wayne

I corrected something I know to be wrong without a source. But, why would you revert the distance from Ohio to Fort Wayne back to 20 miles? Have you been to Fort Wayne? I don't have a source that tells me the distance. The distance is fixed and measurable. It's not 20 miles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Braveviking (talk • contribs) 08:20, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Walking the route from the center of Fort Wayne (the Allen County Courthouse on E. Berry St. between S Calhoun St. and S Clinton St.) to the Indiana-Ohio state line at S State Line Rd at State Rd 14, Jackson Township, IN via Google Maps, the distance in a nearly straight line is 18 miles (29 km), so I have put that in the article.   — Jeff G.  ツ 15:24, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

ANI link

Hi - I've just posted about the accounts editing this article Maurice Esposito-Morgan - I am a bit concerned about what will happen once the article is deleted, as they seem to be single-purpose accounts. Thanks, Shiva (Visnu) 00:31, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice, I have replied there.   — Jeff G.  ツ 01:44, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

The Beatles in Mono

Could you revert that IP again - I've run out of reverts for today. I did report him. Radiopathy •talk• 01:37, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

 Done. Please be aware for future reference that 3RR has an exception for vandalism.   — Jeff G.  ツ 01:43, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Ummm... this looks a little "sketchy". Per WP:STATUSQUO, esp.; and the IP's edit[3] is not vandalism, let alone "blatant". Rollbacking an edit like this is just not warranted: an undo with an edit summary is far more appropriate. No discussion on the talk page is happening, just reverts. What's up, guys? Long time no chat... Doc9871 (talk) 01:58, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that, Doc. I have started a discussion at Talk:The Beatles in Mono#Availability.   — Jeff G.  ツ 02:05, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

No problem! I'd hate to see a good editor's Rollback privs scrutinized (as I've stated to you before). "Undo before Rollback", unless it's blatant vandalism, is some decent advice passed on to me. This IP's edit was certainly not vandalism by any stretch of the imagination, and he shouldn't have been reverted like this[4]: but rather like this. I just don't want to see you get in trouble, is all. Cheers, Jeff, and Happy Editing! :> Doc9871 (talk) 02:18, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

(Re.) Sockpuppet investigation

Thanks a lot for your fast response. I was still trying to understand how to add a subsequent request to the previous existing cases on sockpuppet investigations... It really is quite complicated. Anyway, Thanks again. --MauritiusXXVII (Aut Disce, Aut Doce, Aut Discede!). 11:43, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome.   — Jeff G.  ツ 11:44, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

HTML

Hello. I'd like to know if it wouldn't be easier to transclude to your user page, for example, using this:

=== Talk subpages ===
{{Special:Prefixindex/{{TALKPAGENAME}}/}}

instead of this:

=== Talk subpages ===
{{Special:Prefixindex/User talk:{{BASEPAGENAME}}/}}

Please leave me a talk back note if you don't reply immediately. Hazard-SJ ^Talk 05:29, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Sure, thanks for the tip! What brought it up?   — Jeff G.  ツ 04:32, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Active Wikipedians

Hello. I'd like you to know that, for active wikipedians, you are no longer 429, but 374 (according to the time on my signature). Hazard-SJ ^Talk 05:49, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I have adjusted it. You may also be interested in my Coaching and Admin Coaching pages.   — Jeff G.  ツ 04:41, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

RfC Teeninvestor

Please comment on what I have posted here. --Tenmei (talk) 20:31, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

 Done twice, despite my aversion to "<small><small><small><small><small>".   — Jeff G.  ツ 04:51, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Re:Block

Thanks! Ctmt (talk) 08:57, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome!   — Jeff G.  ツ 16:35, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Help

How do people ask you questions on your talk page? Wayne Olajuwon (talk) 21:31, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Exactly like you just did.   — Jeff G.  ツ 21:32, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

How do people start asking me questions on my talk page? Wayne Olajuwon (talk) 21:34, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Generally by clicking "new section" or "+" at the top of it, both of which link to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Wayne_Olajuwon&action=edit&section=new. They can also edit existing text without adding a section using the "edit" link at the top of it, which links to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Wayne_Olajuwon&action=edit.   — Jeff G.  ツ 21:39, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Wayne Olajuwon (talk) 21:41, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome.   — Jeff G.  ツ 21:42, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Maybe you could ask me questions on my talk page if you want. Wayne Olajuwon (talk) 21:44, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

 Done   — Jeff G.  ツ 21:48, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Flapjack

Hi, if you compare the edits I made to the Flapjack episode page, you'll see I didn't actually add any info at all. All I did was copy edit some sections and add fact tags to unsourced statements. Reverting the page still contains all these errors minus the fact tags.

e.g.

What's there now (after your reverts):

"Captain and ToeNeil" is the name incorrectly used for the pilot short that was supposed to originally air as part of Cartoon Network's Wedgies. After it was canceled for some reason, it was advertised as a bonus featurette on the Flapjack, Vol. 1 DVD. When the DVD was released, it was not on the DVD. At a later date, the series creator, Thurop Van Orman stated that Captain and ToeNeil was just a regular short and not the pilot. Captain and ToeNeil and the unnamed pilot will more than likely never be aired. A short clip of the pilot was shown on an interview with Thurop on cartoonnetwork.com.

Compared to my edits:

""Captain and ToeNeil" is an unaired short incorrectly identified as the non-broadcast pilot episode, and originally planned as a bonus feature included on The Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack, Vol. 1 DVD. Ultimately, the DVD was released without the short and Thurop Van Orman, the series creator, later stated that "Captain and ToeNeil" was in fact not the pilot. The pilot itself has also never been aired, however, a short clip of the pilot was shown on an interview with Thurop on Cartoonnetwork.com. There are no current plans to release either short."

In fact, rather than just reverting one edit, you mass reverted all of them which if you actually bothered to take the time to look you'd see was mostly nothing but copy editing for grammar, formatting, etc. In the future, you should take the time to actually look at what you're reverting.

71.190.182.22 (talk) 04:24, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

*poke*

Am I missing something? Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 06:39, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Offenses include: removals of content without explanation; addition of unsourced content to BLPs; edit warring; and tagging own user talk page {{db-u1}}.   — Jeff G.  ツ 06:46, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Wasn't as clear-cut to me. I've been observing... and the anon's behavior is definitely pissing me off, too. thanks. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 06:48, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

About Huggle

I tried to download Huggle but I don't have a Huggle account. Wayne Olajuwon (talk) 18:22, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean by "a Huggle account"? Do you have all of the requirements?   — Jeff G.  ツ 18:24, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

No, I don't have the rollback feature. Wayne Olajuwon (talk) 18:40, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Please ask for it using this link.   — Jeff G.  ツ 01:26, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

List of Degrassi: The Next Generation characters

I don't mean to object to the three-revert rule, but I would like to explain myself, if I may. As I am new to editing Wikipedia content, I made the mistake of discussing my edits via private message with 117Avenue (who has consistently undone every edit I have ever made). That is, of course, my fault. However, I would like to point out that my intent was not to "edit war;" I was trying to have a legitimate debate about the content. I would also like to point out that my edits are more in line with the Wikipedia Manual of Style MOS:IDENTITY.

Please excuse my initial ignorance of acceptable debate procedures. My only intent is a to encourage a fair and respectful discussion of transgender persons in the media. Thank you for your time. ATgirl (talk) 17:54, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Please discuss your issues with the article at Talk:List of Degrassi: The Next Generation characters. Thanks!   — Jeff G.  ツ 17:56, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your prompt reply! However, I am writing to you regarding the warning I received for editing the article in question, not the content of the actual article. Thanks again!! ATgirl (talk) 18:03, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I misinterpreted. I removed the warning. You're welcome. If you identify as a specific gender (as "girl" in your username appears to imply), you may want to set that gender in your preferences.   — Jeff G.  ツ 18:10, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

"Dubious" edits

I see that you routinely revert unsourced edits with the edit summary "Reverted addition of dubious unsourced content." The particular edit which caught my attention, a table of leading goaltenders in the 1967 NHL season, is correct in every particular. The very next such edit of yours I checked has you claiming as "dubious" and "unsourced" changing the 'years active' date of a band planning an October release from "aug 2010" to "present." Among others is one where you use the tag to revert an item with the source and date named in the edit you reverted, your marking as "dubious" that The Graduate soundtrack reached the top of the Billboard album chart on April 6, 1968 (which, in fact, it did) and was knocked off by the album Bookends on May 25 (which, in fact, it was). Many of these reversions are packed closely together and target anon IPs, which begs the question as to whether you're just parking on Recent Changes and swinging at anything lacking an inline citation posted by someone who isn't an established editor.

Now this is very well and good, but it's a WP:AGF and WP:BITE violation both to hurl the word "dubious" at people when, in fact, the edits in question are accurate, and take only moments to ascertain whether or not they are. It is insulting to others to routinely categorize their edits as "dubious" and careless to do so indiscriminately without any notion as to whether they actually are.  RGTraynor  20:26, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi, and thank you for your concern. I am not "parking on Recent Changes", I am using huggle. "Reverted addition of dubious unsourced content" is the de facto standard nomenclature used by huggle for reversions of unsourced content. You may try to change that status at Wikipedia:Huggle/Feedback. If it makes you feel any better, I have removed "dubious" from my huggle.css file in this edit, but you may encounter resistance from hard-liners who insist that everything in every article (or at least every BLP) be sourced, making unsourced content "dubious" by definition. The hard line was defined when Jimmy Wales wrote 'There seems to be a terrible bias among some editors that some sort of random speculative "I heard it somewhere" pseudo information is to be tagged with a "needs a cite" tag. Wrong. It should be removed, aggressively, unless it can be sourced. This is true of all information, but it is particularly true of negative information about living persons.' in this message to WikiEN-l May 16 20:30:15 UTC 2006.   — Jeff G.  ツ 01:59, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Jimmy's quote above is referenced by the second paragraph of Wikipedia's Biographies of living persons policy.   — Jeff G.  ツ 08:16, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your response ... and yes, I'm aware of Jimbo's quote, which I support. It still doesn't change the meaning of the word "dubious," nor make its routine and automatic use any less inflammatory and bitey. I'll raise the issue at Huggle Feedback; thanks for the link there.  RGTraynor  12:26, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Yossi Benayoun

Hi. I'm not sure why you made this revert to the Yossi Benayoun article. The edit you reverted was clearly itself reverting earlier vandalism. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:40, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

The person who made the edit I reverted did not give a reason as to why they were removing "Judas" from (and adding "The Kid" and "The Diamond" to) a BLP. Yes, it turned out "Judas" appeared to have been maliciously added by 82.39.169.219 (who I warned in this edit), but where did they get "The Kid"?   — Jeff G.  ツ 01:37, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps a fair point, but that wasn't really a good reason to restore "Judas". Cordless Larry (talk) 07:41, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

So why exactly is he called "The Kid", and who exactly calls him that?   — Jeff G.  ツ 07:44, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure why he is nicknamed that, but I added a reference to the article yesterday that establishes that it is one of his nicknames. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:46, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks.   — Jeff G.  ツ 07:47, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Aircraft engine

Why was that vandalism? I added a sourced info: http://books.google.com/books?id=l6nBKeeXXesC&pg=PA367&dq=coanda+1910+jet&hl=en&ei=cf1oTOSRFM6J4QbLl6CZBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=coanda%201910%20jet&f=false; Henri: Webster's Quotations, Facts and Phrases, page 367 (79.117.152.9 (talk) 05:55, 22 August 2010 (UTC))

In doing so, you removed five references. Why?   — Jeff G.  ツ 05:56, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Those sources are not verifiable (some old magazines), and were added here. I am not vandalazing, just restoring the older stable version(79.117.152.9 (talk)) —Preceding undated comment added 06:02, 22 August 2010 (UTC).

His previous account, Romanianlies, was blocked per username policy, and he is the who adds false information: look at the stable version before his edits [5] (79.117.152.9 (talk) 06:07, 22 August 2010 (UTC))

Why are you still awake

It's 2:15 in the morning, why are you still conscious? And reverting my edits...

Daton (talk) 06:15, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Because y'all are still editing.   — Jeff G.  ツ 06:18, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

That's not a very creative response, but you did get me to chuckle a bit, so I tip my hat to you sir. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daton (talk • contribs) 06:24, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm actually watching a documentary on Joran van der Sloot on the A&E Network.   — Jeff G.  ツ 06:27, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit

		CVU Anti-Vandalism Award
		Keep up the great work ...don't forget to sleep from time to time....Moxy (talk) 06:37, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Moxy!   — Jeff G.  ツ 06:42, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Andrew Knoll

This eminent professor is being misquoted by creationists ALL over the internet, This is outrageous. Though I don't believe creationists aren't curious enough to bother referencing him on Wikipedia, There needs to be SOME reference to this state of affairs, or are you a creationist? If then Why Bother —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wombatuk (talk • contribs) 07:04, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

I am not a creationist, but I still must insist on verifiable reliable sources.   — Jeff G.  ツ 07:06, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Why do you think that you are in charge of me and what I do?

If I have told you that I am not yet finished with the article, then that means it is not finished. So quit bitching about the lack of cites. Also, not ever sentence needs a citation. I could find no such requirement when I tried to research this stuff on the how-to pages of Wikipedia.

You also need to stop stalking me. This is the third time within the last 30 minutes where you have been following and commenting on me on completely different articles. This is very creepy behavior and I find it harassing. Republic of Texas (talk) 07:16, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Everything does need to be referenced - please see section '"Dubious" edits' above.   — Jeff G.  ツ 07:19, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

So how about waiting till I get finished with you before you jump in? Is that too much to ask? If I am not done with it, it will be incomplete. So, yeah, some cites may not be there yet. So how about waiting till I get done?

You seem to be the kind of person who likes it stick their nose into everything. In just checking out your pages I see where you have been jumping around from article to article within a matter of seconds and reverting edits, passing out warnings like candy, and doing all sorts of shit in what appears to be a very not well thought out way. The judgments you are attempting to make are not the type that can be successfully accomplished within the few seconds you devote to the issue before you suddenly jump to something else. Lastly, I do see any mention of any educational or professional credentials on your talk page. Without that kind of information, no one can judge the credibility of your arguments and actions. I went to Harvard. I have a law degree and a master's in public policy. I am also a Lt. Col. in the U.S. Army. Very few 'editors' on wikipedia have much in the way of credentials. Without proper credentials, its hard to take someone's arguments seriously. Republic of Texas (talk) 07:31, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

I sometimes use huggle and other tools to monitor and respond to unwanted edits to this project. Whether or not an addition is sourced, or a removal is explained, is very easy for me to see in a few seconds; what you don't see are the many edits which I decide to skip. My talk page is no place for educational or professional credentials. My user page might be if I were not as stringent about isolating my various online and real-world personae from each other; suffice it to say that I have a four-year degree and three professional certifications, have managed systems that served over 10,000 employees, and have been fighting unwanted electronic information and destruction for about twenty years, including most of my over 70,000 edits to Wikimedia Foundation projects (over 62,000 of which were here on English Wikipedia). I would also like to invite you to please see section '"Dubious" edits' above for the reason why I am so stringent in my attempts to ensure that articles here are well-referenced.   — Jeff G.  ツ 08:12, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Please also be aware that your accusation above could be taken as a personal attack or libel, and I respectfully request that you cease and desist from making any further such accusations. Thank you.   — Jeff G.  ツ 08:20, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)I went to Harvard and Princeton, have 6 degrees, served as the foreign minister of Swaziland,fught in Mongolia's army, won the golden cucumber, and have experience in taking care of my 4537 pet chinchillas. *sigh* Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 08:22, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

... and yet you have trouble with your spelling and grammar. My, that's a lot of chinchillas.  :)   — Jeff G.  ツ 08:23, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

August 2010

Hello, thank you for your note. Hugahoody (talk) 18:30, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome.   — Jeff G.  ツ 18:30, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Tagging of Tuxedomoon

I recently removed a speedy delete tag that you had placed on Tuxedomoon. I disagree with the speedy deletion of Tuxedomoonbecause this band definitely meets WP:NBAND, the notability criteria for bands, because it has two or more albums on Crammed Discs, a major label.. You should therefore not retag Tuxedomoon for speedy deletion. You are, of course, free to tag the article with {{prod}} or nominate it at WP:AFD. 79.181.116.5 (talk) 19:28, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

A personal comment :
That was a rather hasty decision to tag this article for deletion following the silliness of an unexperienced user who added copyrighted material. Please review the article intensively and see if they don't meet the notability guidelines (such as WP:NBAND ) before you tag them for speedy deletion in the future. Thanks for your consideration. 79.181.116.5 (talk) 19:54, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

I tagged the band article for not having any claim to notability. Since you brought up WP:NBAND, which point or points of WP:NBAND do you think they meet, including any reliable sources? Thanks!   — Jeff G.  ツ 20:00, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Wait, I am looking into your claim about Crammed Discs...   — Jeff G.  ツ 20:02, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

I guess you meant to write "excluding" reliable sources, not "including" as you erroneously wrote. 79.181.116.5 (talk) 20:04, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

OK, the band appears to meet criterion 5 of WP:NBAND. I am sorry I overreacted and incompletely read your first post above. However, I don't think Crammed Discs is a "major label", rather it is "one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable)." The article could still use verifiable reliable sources.   — Jeff G.  ツ 20:09, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Take your pick from [6], [7], [8] and [9] 79.181.116.5 (talk) 20:13, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Attacks in the article Denise Trlica

Warning

Please do not make personal attacks as you did at Denise Trlica. Wikipedia has a strict policy against personal attacks. Attack pages and images are not tolerated by Wikipedia and are speedily deleted. Users who continue to create or repost such pages and images, especially those in violation of our biographies of living persons policy, will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Thank you. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 22:16, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

What attacks? Are those court documents forgeries?   — Jeff G.  ツ 22:26, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Please see the policy on no original research. That policy applies especially clearly when one is "digging up dirt" on a living person. If no reliable secondary source has reported on something, we shouldn't either. This is not the newspaper. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 23:00, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Gelatophobia Reversion

Jeff, Gelatophobia is widely recognized as a type of social phobia / social anxiety disorder. Please do your homework before summarily deleting relevant nonprofit links.

198.59.46.5 (talk) 22:45, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Accidental rollback?

This doesn't look like vandalism or an unhelpful edit. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:56, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

It looks like forgery to me - compare the IP Addresses.   — Jeff G.  ツ 22:57, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

The IPs look identical to me. In any case, the comment is certainly not malicious. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:01, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

So any IP can sign as another IP and that's ok with you? It's not ok with me, and it's a violation of WP:TPG#YES and WP:SIGEDITORIMPERSONATE.   — Jeff G.  ツ 23:04, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Have you seen User:67.136.117.132? If you have an issue with the IP's signature, then it's probably better to bring it up at their talk page than to revert their edits for no reason. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:06, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

I do see the issue, though, so I have altered the signatures accordingly. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:36, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

There's no issue and User:67.136.117.132 is in violation of no policies. A long-time registered editor has tried to retire, and chooses to do a limited amount of editing from a dynamic ip at home (174.) and another static ip from work (67.). He can't be accused of impersonating himself, and has a user page at User:67.136.117.132, which plainly explains the situation. You would have seen nothing wrong if he were a registered user using home and work accounts, and there's no reason to treat ip editors, particularly valued contributors, as second-class. --RexxS (talk) 23:54, 22 August 2010 (UTC) correct & clarify --RexxS (talk) 00:07, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

This is Fact Jeff ,and has been in this position until your overzealous editing!Can you prove 100% it's not true?

In mid-2000,on a trip to Sydney and Melbourne, Australia, he met up with the Gen-X pastellist, visual activist, and recluse James DeWeaver in Byron Bay where he stencilled a parachuting rat with a clothes peg on its nose above a toilet at the Arts Factory Lodge. In 2008, the owners of the backpackers found out its value and relocated it. This stencil can no longer be located. Banksy posed nude for Spencer Tunick along with DeWeaver and forty others in this same time period, the resulting photo can be seen on DeWeaver's site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.218.88.206 (talk) 04:09, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Can you prove it's true, using verifiable reliable sources?   — Jeff G.  ツ 04:12, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my page. --Torchwood Who? (talk) 04:13, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. Thanks for your assistance with getting the vandal blocked.   — Jeff G.  ツ 04:14, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Manual Reverts?

Out of curiosity, what's up with the edit summaries you've been leaving lately? 69.181.249.92 (talk) 04:38, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Can you please be more specific?   — Jeff G.  ツ 04:42, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, take a look at your contributions. There's suddenly a lot of seemingly-automatic summaries that start off with "Manually Reverted edits by insert user name here to last revision by" - note that there's no info on who's version you're revert to. 69.181.249.92 (talk) 04:57, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your concern, I'll pass along your observation.   — Jeff G.  ツ 04:59, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

dear user

I'm restoring the page that was there. it was deleted by some one else. I did not add external links, I was editing (info that some else was tampering with) (Berberpedia (talk) 04:54, 23 August 2010 (UTC))

It was moved to Shilha language, using the Anglophone spelling, as this is English Wikipedia. Why do you think Shilha language is a hoax?   — Jeff G.  ツ 04:57, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Shilha is Arabic term for Tachelhit (Tachlehit is the Anglophone spelling ) it is Classified as Central Moroccan Tamazigh. We have two pages that talk about one language . Wikipedia user/editors need to merge (Central Morocco Tamazight and Tachelhit Language in to one page ) ( also referred to as Atlas Language)

Chleuhs or Chleuh is both ( Anglo -English or Francophone French) (Berberpedia (talk) 05:08, 23 August 2010 (UTC))

Please discuss any moves you wish to make on the relevant talk pages and stop with the hoax tags and cut-and-paste moves. Thanks!   — Jeff G.  ツ 05:11, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

I recommend that you change the Shilha back to Tachelhit Language .(Berberpedia (talk) 05:20, 23 August 2010 (UTC))

I recommend that you take my advice and also see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Berberpedia.   — Jeff G.  ツ 05:22, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

corrections and facial hair

i made a useful correction to the article on wikis correcting a missing "not" -you sent me a final warning ?. that moustache has got to go.Tumadoireacht (talk) 05:10, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about the reversion and warning, you're right.   — Jeff G.  ツ 05:14, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Hard to credit that an editor with so many medals could so readily and promptly admit his own error.Thank you. Inspired by your candour i shall attempt to confine my parody and subversion to uncyclopedia in the future and as a further gesture of goodwill am willing to let the matter of the moustache slide for the moment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tumadoireacht (talk • contribs) 05:30, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!   — Jeff G.  ツ 05:31, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Comment, Clarification

THis is in response to your message on my user page, which I've posted below. Just so you know, I accidentally blanked a redirect page [I was trying to figure out a better way to redirect and accidentally hit save] and then immed. reverted it. I was not vandalizing the page. For some reason, when you look at the history of the page it doesn't show that I reverted it, but that you did seconds after--via one of your bots I'm sure. Anyways, I just wanted to clarify situation. The msg you posted on my page was:

"Please do not replace Wikipedia pages with blank content, as you did to the page Category:Authors. Blank pages can confuse readers, and are overall not helpful to the Wikipedia project; furthermore,blanking a page is not the same as deleting it. If the article you blanked is a duplicate of another article, please redirect it to an appropriate existing page. If the page has been vandalized, please revert it to the last legitimate revision. If you feel that the content of a page is inappropriate, please replace it with appropriate content. If you believe there is no hope for the page, please use the appropriate deletion process. — Jeff G. ツ 03:51, 23 August 2010 (UTC)"

thanks. Bkmays (talk) 05:38, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. When you tried to commit your reversion, I had already committed mine, so the software ignored your attempt. And no, it was not a bot.   — Jeff G.  ツ 05:41, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!

		The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		I feel like I'm constantly looking into your reports at WP:AIV. Thanks for working so tirelessly to clean up vandalism -- we need more editors like you! — GorillaWarfare talk 06:04, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

You're very welcome, and thanks for such kind words!   — Jeff G.  ツ 06:06, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hey Jeff, Thanks for the heads up - I really did not completely understand Wikipedia's policy on British/American/Other spelling of words. I will refrain from "correcting" these spelling "errors". (They're not errors - just evolutiono-cultural differences!) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.21.125.200 (talk) 06:09, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. Thanks for understanding. It really is in the best interests of international wiki-cooperation to let the brits have their spelling in the article about their broadcasting system. :)   — Jeff G.  ツ 06:11, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Deyede

page 2010-11 Indonesian Super League, i have knowledge about this. why do you remove my writing? you know, that in the page i wrote "Persatuan Sepakbola Makassar" and remove PSM Makassar because "PSM Makassar" is wrong. do you know about Indonesian football club? i want to edit them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deyede (talk • contribs) 05:55, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

All info you add needs verifiable reliable sources, and all removals need explanations in Edit Summaries.   — Jeff G.  ツ 06:02, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

I think Wikipedia has to recognize that many of its members ARE living reliable sources Tumadoireacht (talk) 22:34, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

I think you need to read Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources.   — Jeff G.  ツ 23:10, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Tuxedomoon

Tuxedomoon and Crammed Discs require the attention of someone more experienced than I. I found these pages when I was patrolling random pages. I tagged a band for notability and was told that the band was notable because it had two albums on a major label. After looking at Crammed Discs, I could not find evidence of notability and tagged it as such. The tag was removed and I was told it was "Unquestioningly notable". There are lots of links to investigate and I simply don't have the time to unravel what I expect is a Gordian Knot. Just thought you should know. Dethlock99 (talk) 14:58, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

As discussed at #Tagging of Tuxedomoon above, I believe record label Crammed Discs is not a major label, but "one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable)." Tuxedomoon has released at least 16 albums per Tuxedomoon's Releases page on Crammed Discs' website (which I need to put in the article), its label Crammed Discs has a history of 30 years (since 1980), and Crammed Discs' article here lists five notable performers as the latest on its roster. Thus, it is notable per WP:NBAND criterion 5 (but still could use more verifiable reliable sources). I'll try to look into the notability of Crammed Discs later.   — Jeff G.  ツ 23:04, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Possible sources: Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL   — Jeff G.  ツ 00:10, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Your warning

So, you warned me about my edit to WT:RFA. Please be more careful about identifying false positives, thanks. 67.136.117.132^{Also 174.52.141.138}15:45, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that. Please be more careful about signing as the IP Address you are using, thanks.   — Jeff G.  ツ 22:28, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh, the irony. 174.52.141.138^{Also 67.136.117.132}04:05, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Traian Vuia

Your last edit to Traian Vuia included the statement that he was the first to fly without a catapult, rails, etc. Was this what you intended or did you get crossed up because of competing revisions? If this was your intention please let me know so I can belabour you with evidence to the contrary.(incidentally, all the periodical references being deleted from Coanda 1910 [and Henri Coanda] from the early 1900's are available on Googlebooks.)Romaniantruths (talk) 01:56, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

I was reverting this edit, which appeared to remove content from two paragraphs without explanation. The content in the first paragraph was added in the previous edit without references, and may be incorrect given the content of first flying machine.   — Jeff G.  ツ 02:19, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

I think you're right, Vuia wasn't the first. However, is it wise to keep the content in the second paragraph, "and a description of several aircraft from before 1906 credited with being able to take off from a flat surface by on-board means without outside assistance, such as an incline, rails, or a catapult", or is "Debate continues over the precise definition of "first" airplane (see first flying machine for more discussion)" sufficient?   — Jeff G.  ツ 02:31, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Re: Your talk page message

Hi. In regards to your message to me here, I'd like to point out that I left a very clear edit summary in my edit. The proceeding user, Eddie Schluessel was actually the one who undid my edit without an edit summary for no valid reason (if you look, their edit actually restored - among others things - long-standing vandalism as Leo Sayer wasn't in a 1924 film ;)). In fact, the user has gone round undoing all my edits for no valid reason (some were even restored by another IP user). I know you're not an admin, but perhaps this user's action merit a warning as I'm actually trying to improve the project. Thanks. 70.241.16.221 (talk) 06:12, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I have reverted it. Is this edit ok? Thanks!   — Jeff G.  ツ 06:21, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh, you didn't have to go that far but thank you. I wasn't offended or irritated by the warning (sorry if it came off that way), I just wanted to let you know I wasn't blindly reverting. Thank you again and I sincerely apologize if I came off like a shrew. Have a good night (or day!). 70.241.16.221 (talk) 06:32, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Just to let you know, I mentioned your name in an ANI report I opened here regarding the same user (User:Eddie Schluessel) reverting my edits. You don't have to comment as you're really not involved, but I mentioned your name because you left them a warning for their behavior and just wanted to let you know. Thanks. 70.241.16.221 (talk) 14:04, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

He's been indefinitely blocked. Thanks for everything!   — Jeff G.  ツ 02:02, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

About Huggle 2

What should I do next after I put the code enable:true on ? Wayne Olajuwon (talk) 18:42, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Nothing, just save it and start huggle. It should do the rest (unless i'm missing something between you to, if so, disregard this) Pilif12p :  Yo  18:49, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

I concur.   — Jeff G.  ツ 01:53, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Just wondering

You said you were an admin on wikipedia, you are not on the list of admins or have a mop on your user page. Inka ⁸⁸⁸ 03:34, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks for your note. I don't remember saying that. When and where exactly did you see me saying that? Thanks!   — Jeff G.  ツ 03:49, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

It said on your user page that you are admin crat and checkuser. Inka ⁸⁸⁸ 04:03, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Re: User:Octane/userboxes/User exclu

I really preferred the other image, and I'm not aware of any licensing problems that would necessitate changing or deleting it. It might look good on a header, but shrunk down into userbox size—it looks bad. Lots of negative space, but not enough to be artistic. Octane ^{[improve me?]} 25.08.10 0358 (UTC)

You could use File:AEW_diamond_solo_dark.gif for now, but it is also subject to deletion for lack of sourcing. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/156830367/ AKA File:Apollo synthetic diamond.jpg looks good small, but is hardly perfect large. I have asked the original uploader to reupload with better information in this edit.   — Jeff G.  ツ 04:04, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

That looks bad as well, for a different reason. Could you just restore it while it's worked out? I'm fairly sure the people at the exclusionist group are professional, by nature, so it shouldn't be too long before any problem is fixed (although I'm confused why one was deleted and the other wasn't, if they're both unsourced and both from the same author O_o). As for uploading something from Flickr myself, I'm really turned off from posting anything to Wikimedia. I don't want to take responsibility for an image and get yelled at later on. Octane ^{[improve me?]} 25.08.10 0601 (UTC)

It's already been uploaded as File:Apollo synthetic diamond.jpg. Perhaps one of the other images in article Diamond would be more to your liking?   — Jeff G.  ツ 06:03, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Biting newcomers

I noticed the message you recently left to a newcomer. Please remember: do not bite the newcomers. If you see someone make a common mistake, try to politely point out what they did wrong and how to correct it. Thank you. Please do not just go around reverting edits that other people have made in good faith and giving them warnings, like you appear to be here and here. I have been receiving some complaints lately, and I am just here to give you a friendly reminder that you should not confuse regular edits with vandalism. I just hope that it doesn't come on AN like here. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 04:18, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi, and thank you for your comment. User:Republic of Texas (formerly 24.243.2.132) has 165 edits via account and 88 edits via IP Address, and has been editing for over seven months, since 09:28, 6 January 2010 (UTC) (as admitted in this edit); my first edit to that person's user talk page included "Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia."[10]. The person using 174.52.141.138 and 67.136.117.132 has 191 combined edits, and has been editing for over two months since 15:14, 16 June 2010 (UTC) (and maybe before, as the first two edits were to the Wikipedia namespace); my first edit to that person's user talk page included "Welcome to Wikipedia."[11]. The person using 64.105.65.28, who complained about me on your user talk page, has spent all but two of its edits in the past year complaining in five different places about my treatment of newcomers, the first complaint of which was to Wikipedia namespace (its third edit ever) and intimated WP:DR, has not been treated like a newbie on its user talk page or via reversion of legit edits, and has not posted to my user talk page, so I suspect it is for the most part a WP:SPA and possibly a WP:SOCK. At what point does someone cease to be a newcomer? Thanks!   — Jeff G.  ツ 05:25, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

It was RGTraynor who drew my attention to Jeff G.; RGTraynor posted on Wikipedia:Huggle/Feedback about Jeff G. using Huggle in content disputes. Now I am wondering about Jeff G.'s many edit summaries that begin with "Manual revert" and end with "by". I do not believe those reverts are manual. 64.105.65.28 (talk) 13:02, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

In any case, I just came by to leave you a message. I apologize if I came across rather bluntly, though; I just wanted to tell you what's been happening lately. As to your last question, WP:NEWCOMER said, at the top of the page, "Remember: all of us were new editors at Wikipedia once, and in some ways (such as when editing an article on a topic outside our usual scope) even the most experienced among us are still newcomers." Thanks. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 15:28, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

So let me get this straight, we can't template anyone anymore because they are all either newcomers or regulars? Is that fair?   — Jeff G.  ツ 16:55, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

No, that's not what I mean, but you bring up a good point. Well, we generally shouldn't template anyone and should avoid the use of templates when necessary; templates are impersonal, as determined by the community. What I'm saying, and like I told Cymru.lass is that once in a while, we should lay off the templates and have some conversation with the newcomers; that's all. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 18:42, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

The person using my two IP addresses actually has around 75,000 edits. See my userpage. My IPs have sub-200 edits, but as a "person", I have far, far more. Obviously, I wouldn't expect you to check my userpage before issuing a templated warning; I'm just clarifying something here. 174.52.141.138^{Also 67.136.117.132}21:14, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

What I think we are all getting at is this: please stop patrolling Recent Changes on mental autopilot, reverting anything that "looks off" to you. Revert only unambiguous vandalism: "Joe has foot odor" and the like. Leave the rest alone. Concerning topics you don't know about, you are the newbie and you are making mistakes that do not reflect well on you or on Wikipedia. 64.105.65.28 (talk) 02:08, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Okay, guys. Enough. The section header and the reminder is all that's needed; otherwise this just degrades into WP:POINT and WP:LAME. Drop it for now. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 02:31, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

TechEssentials

I am Jeff G. on TechEssentials.   — Jeff G.  ツ 04:17, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia univeristy outreach

I was advised by a Wikipedia editor to request that this issue be escalated to an administrator: I read in the New York Times last week that (someone involved in) Wikipedia has begun working with university faculty at several U.S. universities to recruit students in their courses to produce Wikipedia pages. I am teaching a research seminar this Fall that would be an appropriate candidate for this. Can someone please put me in contact with someone involved in this outreach project? Thanks.

72.81.26.185 (talk) 12:22, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Question answered on help desk. sonia♫ 12:34, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Get Yourself Up (album)

Hello. Please look again at the edit you are complaining about. I added a reference section and a reflist. I also removed brackets from the 2 references in the article so that they would display more clearly. My efforts removed the:

Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page, but the references will not show without a {{Reflist}} template or a <references/> tag; see the help page.

warning message that was displayed. You have restored it. Nothing that I did warrants a vandalism warning. I will shortly be reverting you edit. Thank you. 24.34.148.49 (talk) 06:47, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that. You seem to be quite experienced, have you edited here before? Thanks!   — Jeff G.  ツ 21:44, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

What?

I didn't change anything with the language. Just add the newer data.--125.25.34.151 (talk) 07:03, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

In this edit, you (or someone else using the same IP Address you use) changed the following language, generally from Commonwealth English to American English:

• colour to color
• programme to program
• 5 October 2009 to October 5, 2009

You also removed three countries from one chart (182 to 179 countries), hid section "List of countries by non-continental region", and removed "[[mr:जगातील देशांची यादी (मानवी विकास निर्देशांकानुसार)]". Why? Where did you get your data?   — Jeff G.  ツ 21:23, 27 August 2010 (UTC)