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Richard B. Spencer

Want me to walk you through the BLP violations? --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 05:45, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

• No thanks. I said what I said, and I already got my steps in for today. Drmies (talk) 16:06, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
• Hmm I took a quick look at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Calton_2. Seems I'm not the only one who should be getting an invitation for that walk. Sorry DrFleischman, but it's possible you were not as right as you thought you were. Drmies (talk) 16:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps but it also seems no one is willing to actually read the sources that were cited, yourself included. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 20:08, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

That's how it goes: person A is right, the rest are wrong. Next time it may be me. Drmies (talk) 02:27, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

No offense but I don't think that's an appropriate way to resolve disputes. You're basically saying that administrative decisions like this are made based on a vote of involved editors. You and other admins almost blocked me for crying BLP without even checking the sources to assess the validity of my BLP claims, just because I was outnumbered on the talk page. I mean I understand you're busy and good admins such as yourself a precious commodity. I just don't think you should be drawing conclusions that affect longstanding editors' block logs based on a superficial skim of a talk page. Better to say something like "there may be a CRYBLP issue here, can someone please look into it and ask Dr. F for an explanation?" Am I wrong? --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 16:23, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm not resolving a dispute, nor did I create the one here under discussion. If someone reverts because of the BLP it behooves them to explain that certainly if it's brought up on a board. And no, this is not a vote, but if a number of folks with judgment agree, then yeah, that's the way that cookie is going to crumble. If one of those admins, say, me, makes a relatively short comment and you think they're wrong or they're not seeing all there is to see, it's better to detail those problems on said board rather than posing it on the admin's talk page as what appears to be a somewhat rhetorical question. Said admin, by the way, does not like any editor of good faith to be blocked. Take care, Drmies (talk) 16:48, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I hadn't anticipated that the validity of my BLP claims would come into question at AE, but in hindsight I should have. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 17:13, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Fleurs de Marécage

On 6 June 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Fleurs de Marécage, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Fleurs de Marécage by the Dutch poet J. Slauerhoff, containing French poems and a translation of a poem by the Irish poet W. B. Yeats, was published in Belgium? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Fleurs de Marécage. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Fleurs de Marécage), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 03:46, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

This will be remembered as the most poetic hook, with "poet" twice and "poem" twice ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:12, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

• Thanks for your help, Gerda. Drmies (talk) 00:26, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
• I don't think I can help with frohgemut. Have you asked Sandstein? Drmies (talk) 00:46, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

No, but "frohgemut in subtle opposition" is now on the Main page, another Kirchenlied song. I took the lead image, May decoration. I am slow ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:18, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Hogies

Your recent reverts, see my recent edit summaries for the spi case. DuncanHill (talk) 02:04, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

• I believe Ponyo is on the case. Drmies (talk) 02:10, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Recognize

Your recent edit over at United States anti-abortion movement has the (I'm sure unintended) effect of taking part in an edit war that had already appropriately moved over to the talk page. Please engage in the discussion rather than further warring. --Nat Gertler (talk) 18:12, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

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Agenda

It's the second time today a determined edit warrior has accused me of having an agenda. I'm on a roll! I do indeed have an agenda, but it has nothing to do with repressing bearers of Truth - more likely let the dog out into the warm evening, a snack and sleep. Acroterion (talk) 03:14, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

• Ha, my agenda is to drink this entire big bottle of St. Bernardus Tripel! And then get the girls off to camp tomorrow... Speaking of Truth with capital T, I happened to run into another warrior here, so now I'm reading all the sources. Dumpster fire! Yay! Drmies (talk) 03:17, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
  • That's one hell of an edit summary there. I think I'll go find a genre warrior, or one of our many Disney trolls instead. Acroterion (talk) 03:31, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
    • Whose idea was it to allow these essay-length edit summaries? Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 03:37, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
      • When I first saw one I thought it was a glitch. Kind of like some recent election. Drmies (talk) 03:42, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
        • Twitter goes to 280 characters, then WP has to be like all the cool kids. What ever happened to the "summary" part of "edit summary'? Acroterion (talk) 03:46, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
          • It's a clue for lazy admins (i.e., me) who don't want to go through all the changes in their watchlists. The longer the edit summary, the greater the chance something needs attention. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 19:12, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
            • I've always leaned on that technique too, but once the summary passes 50 characters, another 500 are just a waste of screen space. Acroterion (talk) 02:13, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
• I don't know what this "summary" thing is you guys are talking about... ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 19:05, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
  • User:MPants at work, that thing which you made is a pretty thing. You're smart. But what I see in there also is a veiled critique of Acroterian's signature's expansive mechanics, no? Drmies (talk) 21:25, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

• You're smart. To avoid ruining that perception, I'm just going to pretend that I know exactly what you mean by "Acroterian's signature's expansive mechanics" and agree with you. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 02:04, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

• Hell, I don't know either. I just copied somebody else's signature mechanics and changed the color. At least it doesn't have shadows and unicode characters like some people I could mention ... Acroterion (talk) 02:10, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

• I know, right? all those over-the-top details are soooo pretentious. I hate them. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 02:15, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

  "It was already that way under Obama". Drmies (talk) 15:25, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

No, totally different "them". Damn, I need to be more specific in the era of Trump. On the bright side, I now know what you meant! Thought it took me much mental sweat, it eventually occurred to me to notice the blindingly obvious 5 full lines of Acroterion's signature in that image. Seriously man, you need to tame that thing. It's really over the top. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 15:40, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span>, right on! Drmies (talk) 16:12, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Hard times (?)

Mies, how are you faring? Hopefully well...

Don't know if you remember this IP address (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/109.180.164.62). Apparently, they are known for they confrontational manners with their various addresses, and I was on the receiving end with this particular one, which resulted on they having the nerve of reporting me (if you see the list I sent you above, the report was filed on 15 SEPTEMBER 2017, don't know if it will be easy to find the thread for you). Not for that, but they were eventually blocked, for more harassing; they dedicated some very harsh words to me in their talkpage until I left them talking to themselves and removed my entries (here is the complete flow of conversation before I did so https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:109.180.164.62&diff=820748178&oldid=820747575).

Now they have returned with this other address (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/87.54.9.210), and in one of their articles of choice, Quique Sánchez Flores, they already wasted no time in commenting my ineptitude in the summary. Of course, I reverted! Could you please check both versions to see which is more correct, before this escalates AGAIN?

Kind regards from Portugal --Quite A Character (talk) 09:41, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

• UPDATE: if you notice, I have now reached a compromise in the wording, it did contain some glaring errors that were quite possibly written by me as I edit massively there. Good job on the IP, thus (but they had no way of knowing who wrote what and still poked fun or whatever in the summary). --Quite A Character (talk) 10:57, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Ha, hard times? Depends. If you're Dutch and you like soccer, yeah. That IP, I have an inkling who that might be and I think some other admins do as well. They know their language pretty good, but manners, less so. Take it easy AL, Drmies (talk) 16:45, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

• They did it again even though I tried to reach a compromise (at least this time no insults, an improvement of sorts!). If you notice, the WATFORD section was written entirely by an English editor with whom I interacted heavily (TheAlmighteyDrill, blocked in the meantime), can you please tell me what's wrong with it because I can't see it? in the VALENCIA sub-section, they wrote "In his first season, Flores guided the club to third place, and then to qualification for the UEFA Champions League...". It's implying the third place in the league and the Champions berth were totally unrelated; I wrote "In his first season, Flores guided the club to third place, which qualified for the UEFA Champions League...", because one was a DIRECT CONSEQUENCE of the other, isn't mine more logic (not blowing my wiki-horn or anything)? Last but not least, for no apparent reason except fuck all, I arranged the display of the references from Goal, they reverted it!

Can you please see that the article is protected? Thanks (but I will try again to engage in more compromise in wording, along with one or two refs). --Quite A Character (talk) 09:28, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

• VALENCIA section: maybe even better like this? "Flores guided the club to third place in his first year, qualifying for the UEFA Champions League where the team went on to reach the quarter-finals...". Hey, at least I'm trying, and without the name-calling! --Quite A Character (talk) 10:06, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

They reverted AGAIN, new refs included!! If i remember it well, you told me at the ANI report "(My name), i am not going to block, etc, etc. But please don't be so quick to revert in the future (something to that effect, can't remember the exact words)". What, patience with a guy who refuses to engage in compromise (i am trying my bestest), continues to taunt me in summaries and now also removes sources?! Difficult man, quite difficult... --Quite A Character (talk) 00:59, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

• Vasco, I have never found fault, really, with their English. I don't quite know what's going on with the references. Starting that one section with "In his first season", for instance, is helpful because it clearly indicates chronology, and giving that bit of information to start the sentence is an advantage over the mere repetition of the name to begin the sentence. And I don't know, removing that reference from /www.mundodeportivo.com in that Beginnings section--is the information also in the later reference from www.elmundo.es? At any rate, Oshwah blocked them... Drmies (talk) 01:59, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

SOOOOOOOOOORRY, only checked out your reply now (I remember checking your page in the hours that followed to my original message, but after seeing no reply I forgot)! I have (hopefully, if I understood them well) followed on your editorial suggestions grammarwise. Regarding the ref issue you ask in the last lines, sometimes refs may contain similar content, but what I tried to do was use the article from MD to source him signing for Getafe (oddly enough, could not found a direct one though I tried and tried) and do the same with the one from ELMUNDO to source him signing with Valencia (that one is a direct "hit"). Isn't that what WP is all about, source your choice of wording?

And surely, you don't imply the IP removed the sources for aesthetic reasons, no ("repeated refs", "not needed", etc)? Nope, they did it to TAUNT ME! Take care, sorry for the late reply --Quite A Character (talk) 09:54, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Arbitration evidence

I reverted your addition of evidence as it was a week after the close of the evidence phase. My edit summary directed you to the workshop page, but as that has since also been closed I've taken the liberty of moving the content you added to the 'analysis of evidence' section. I hope that's okay. If for some reason you'd rather it just be left out let me know and I'll self-revert the change on the workshop page. GoldenRing (talk) 10:44, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

• Hey that's fine--I couldn't rightly tell when it was over/I don't always check deadlines etc. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:25, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
  • (talk page stalker)"The dog ate my homework"

is always a good 'un :) —SerialNumber54129 ^{paranoia /cheap sh*t room} 08:50, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

• • • The dog ate my hard drive. Drmies (talk) 14:56, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

RIP again

Now, it's Barry McDaniel. Something nice was written about him in Dutch. Can you look if it would add what we already have, especially if it would serve as a reference for something that still needs one, to make him fit for RD? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:58, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

• Gerda, I don't think there's anything in there that isn't already in our article. Drmies (talk) 14:55, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for looking. I through out several details which I couldn't source, though. Nominated anyway. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:04, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Editor English ability

Hi Drmies. I'm going to post this here because your talk page tends to have lots of watchers, so I figure it's probably a good place to ask. I came across Asim543 while checking on an image file. Looking at some of their other edits, it seems as if they are making quite a lot of basic errors that might be because English is not their first language. I understand WP:IMPERFECT and WP:CIRNOT and I don't want be seen as WP:BITEing a relatively new editor. Correcting the mistakes is not a big deal, but I'm wondering if it would then be appropriate to bring this up for discussion on the editor's user talk. My goal wouldn't be to discourage them from further editing, but just to make them aware of the simple errors they are making. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:19, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

• That is one of the most difficult things to deal with. Want to stand in front of my class this summer, to see what it's like in real life? ;) Drmies (talk) 14:30, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
• I'm not sure what to tell you. They seem to be a good-faith contributor, but yeah, there's problems--though I've seen worse. Drmies (talk) 14:33, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Thank you for taking a look at this and for the comment you left on their user talk page. Asim543 does appear to be making good faith attempts at improving articles, and there are now other editors trying to help clean things up; so, it appears that things are sorting themselves out naturally through collaborative editing. -- Marchjuly (talk) 20:26, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
    • No, thank you for your AGF. Drmies (talk) 21:16, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Question about WP:ARBPIA3#500/30

Since Kigelim is not qualified under WP:ARBPIA3#500/30 to edit articles about the Arab-Israeli conflict, why is he allowed to nominate them for deletion? See WP:Articles for deletion/Racial profiling in Israel.

Please note that Sandstein has topic-banned me from "anything related to the Arab-Israeli conflict" so I can't discuss this further, but I will note that racial profiling in Israel affects African-American tourists and is not strictly related to the Arab-Israeli conflict.[1] — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 03:22, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

• Your last paragraph is way too long for me this time of night to process. Topic ban? Anyway, I see you read The Root also--they ran an interesting opinion piece on XXXTentacion the other day. Take care Malik, Drmies (talk) 03:29, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	Blocking the vandal who vandalized one of my favorite articles. HorsesARENiceRide me to my talk page 04:53, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

• You're welcome! Drmies (talk) 04:55, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at Kudpung/What do admins do?

Hi Drmies. I would really appreciate if you could take a moment to participate in this. Your comments would be particularly valuable. It's not an RfC or anything like that. It would only take 5 minutes of your time. There are only a few days left. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:27, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Don’t delete my user page

You had no right deleting my user page. It was hurting anybody, and it’s MY OWN USER PAGE. You had no right to delete it. So please undelete it. Apolloe (talk) 19:15, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

• You don't own it. You don't have the right to user our facilities to play some imaginary game. Do you understand that this is an encyclopedia, not an amusement park? Drmies (talk) 20:06, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Just an FYI the user has recreated the page with similar content on it just a lot smaller than before. TheDoctorWho (talk) 00:33, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

BLP

Hi, I think this is a BLP violation, but I'm not sure if it's severe enough that it needs to be revdel'd [2]. Wasn't sure where to ask ... Seraphim System ^(talk) 18:57, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

• Thanks Seraphim System--good call. Drmies (talk) 01:45, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Canadian kerfuffle

Pretty sure that's a kid trying to get a leg up by claiming to be the principal. One would assume that a person in that position would be educated enough and experienced enough at writing to know that "principal" is not a proper noun. Especially if it were their title. Damn, now I want to go listen to John Mellenkamp on my new speakers, but mini-me is sleeping. Gahhhhh. John from Idegon (talk) 03:43, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

• But that's what's on their website too, "Principal's message". Or did they use it with a capital or something? A lot of people get those wrong. Plus, they've been here for so long, and their edits seem consistent with someone like that. But we'll see. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 04:00, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Adding my two cents; in my experience with COIs they tend to be very formal during discussions and don't use short forms like "BTW". However, the fact that they have been here so long did throw me off too. I guess we will have to see. If they aren't the principal I assume they are at least some kind of teacher or administrator. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 04:02, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

True, that formality is often there. Then again, a Catholic principal on a Sunday night... Drmies (talk) 04:04, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Edit conflict!

Beat me to it! TonyBallioni (talk) 01:01, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

• I want to say I'm usually on the losing end of those, but then if you're on the winning end you wouldn't know. Yeah, I read someone something on ANI about the user page, but I don't see the problem. I followed a few of the links, and Alex Jones's voiceover for Doom is kind of funny, if you like watching moving things on YouTube. Was the editor really a fan of Hoxha? I've never met one in real life. Drmies (talk) 01:03, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

• Hoxha's regime had a shop north of the river in London, with a stock of Albanian Communist tat and windup gramophones. On a dark autumnal evening I entered the shop. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 08:21, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

• X, I really want to see your collection of microfiction. Have you tried Electric Lit? Drmies (talk) 14:24, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

A request

You deleted User:Geo Swan/Eyad Alrababah.

I am not sure I agree with your interpretation of BLP, but I am not going to argue with you about it. That discussion would be very one-sided, when I don't have access to a copy of what I wrote, and you do.

I request you email me the last version. I spent a couple of hours on this. If it doesn't fit here, I will port it to a non-WMF wiki with different inclusion standards. Geo Swan (talk) 22:34, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

• You worked on this for a few hours but you don't remember what was in there? I left a pretty detailed note on your talk page, but maybe now some more admins with admin glasses and their copy of the BLP will take an interest in it. This is not the first time that someone raises a BLP issue with you. Drmies (talk) 00:26, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
• Nick-D, Fram, you've had opinions on this matter. Drmies (talk) 00:39, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Geo Swan should have been banned from BLPs years and years ago. This one was far from the worst (borderline speedy, but I certainly would have voted for deletion at AfD anyway). Things like User:Geo Swan/Fa‘iz al-Shanbari (from 2009) or User:Geo Swan/Hesham Mohamed Hussain and User:Geo Swan/Mohammed Quayyum Khan (from 2012) should not remain in userspace indefinitely, and have no chance of becoming articles anyway, so a major cleanup of Geo Swan's userspace seems necessary. Fram (talk) 06:49, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
    • I agree completely with Fram. In regards to the example here, it failed WP:BLP1E. As Geo Swan must have had dozens of such articles deleted, and has been lucky to have never been banned, I'm very surprised that they're still producing articles like it and don't get why this is not OK. Nick-D (talk) 09:00, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
      • DGG disagree with me on the deletion, but besides the other problems I deleted it primarily because of the improperly verified claim that he's "routinely characterizes as an 'al Qaeda associate'" associate, which is a rather damning thing to say about a person. The Chicago Tribune article makes it clear he claims he didn't know what they were and doesn't use the word "associate" to describe him (GeoSwan put that in quotation marks), and the Fox article (these are the two that are cited in the opening sentence, with "was described as an al Qaeda associate") uses "associate", but for another person--and the article is nothing but speculation from detectives and some commentary from, of all people, Andrew Napolitano. Calling him something he's not called in reliable sources is already a BLP violation, and putting false quotes around a term makes it even worse. GeoSwan's says "Alrababah was convicted of playing a role in identity theft" but without a source--a bit of due diligence with the help of Google shows he was convicted in 2002--but "Non-terrorism related", which GeoSwan conveniently failed to mention (I do not believe in their good faith anymore). Drmies (talk) 18:00, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Hey!

I'm glad that someone missed me. =) -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:04, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

• Only every other day, Gogo Dodo. Drmies (talk) 14:21, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

=) -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:16, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

• I heard the shock wave from that SPI blockhammer work and came by to say Hi and keep up the good work :) ^{cinco de} L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 18:05, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Overblown neutrality

Do understand that the out-of-nowhere defeat of Joseph Crowley by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was a screaming-headline shocker. Time (magazine) notes that on the afternoon of the vote his allies were dismissing the possibility of his losing and questioning the need to cover the race. Don't err on the side of indifference in how it is presented. LE (talk) 06:02, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

• Sure. Drmies (talk) 15:05, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

There you go again Drmies pushing those right wing POVs, for shame! PackMecEng (talk) 15:13, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

I see FBDB is still in use among the elite. EEng 13:29, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Only the best of course. PackMecEng (talk) 13:31, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

The BBC's headline suggested that the only important thing about it was that Alexandria is a millennial. We millennials will soon be agitating for recognition as a discriminated-against minority. Is this something to do with American politics? I don't think I'd ever heard of either of them before today. MPS1992 (talk) 16:42, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

MPS1992, I suppose you had if you lived in NY. I don't. PackMecEng, guilty as charged--actually, I'm not sure what the first post was about at all, so I can't really confirm which viewpoint I'm pushing today. I took out a few sensational words...does that count? Take it easy, Drmies (talk) 18:00, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

To be honest I have no idea what they are going on about either, just having a little fun PackMecEng (talk) 18:07, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

That story is so two hours ago. Justice Kennedy just announced his retirement. O3000 (talk) 18:10, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Oh gzz, that's going to be.... interesting... PackMecEng (talk) 18:56, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Just wait till the media gets wind of whomever Trump is going to nominate to replace him. That's when things will get interesting. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 19:34, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, everyone is still angry about the last guy. PackMecEng (talk) 19:37, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

PackMecEng, I don't think you are reading the temperature correctly at all. I don't know anyone who is upset at Gorsuch per se. What's being loathed is McConnell's tactics, that excuse that he so obviously didn't even believe himself. Gorsuch, I don't know--I can't help but wonder how he would have swung in Obergefell; I don't think it's a done deal he would have sided with the anti-gay marriage side. But seriously, no, not everyone is still angry about the last guy. "No one is angry about the last guy" is more likely to be correct. Drmies (talk) 03:47, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

I don't think it's a done deal he would have sided with the anti-gay marriage side. I agree with this. I think Gorsuch was a bit of a flashpoint, though. But just a little one. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 05:44, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

No I don't think they were angry at the man, but the process as you pointed out. I do however think we will see it brought up more in the coming weeks when Trump announces and tried to get confirmed whomever he nominates. Everyday I get to listen to Bill Press, Stephanie Miller, Thom Hartmann, and Norman Goldman, and since it was announced yesterday the McConnell situation has been brought up quite a bit. Now if it will make it to the midterm, by which time I would assume Trump would have his pick confirmed well before then, is a big speculation. Crazy times we live in. PackMecEng (talk) 12:34, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

I hear he's torn between two possible nominations: Robert Bork and his chauffeur. O3000 (talk) 12:39, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

That would be a tough call, I hear his chauffeur is the best most big league chauffeur around! PackMecEng (talk) 12:57, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

I heard David Duke had been briefly considered, but was dropped when a reporter asked about it and Trump promptly forgot who he was. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 12:59, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

The joking not-joke I saw on reddit was Giuliani... --Izno (talk) 13:05, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

OK, I can’t beat that. Unless he offers the position to Mueller in exchange.... O3000 (talk) 13:10, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm sure I'm not the only one who's just flabbergasted at Giuliani's descent into whatever it is he is sinking into. Drmies (talk) 14:06, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Having lived in Manhattan for three decades, it doesn’t surprise me that much. His popularity before 9/11 dropped to 37%. Although, he really has outdone himself lately. O3000 (talk) 14:11, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

I believe this is the best response to that possibility. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 13:11, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

On Gorsuch. I don’t know whether it’s the weight of history, an epiphany about the function of SCOTUS, or interesting gases emanating from the bowels of the court à la the Delphic Oracle; but the actions of some justices cannot have been predicted based upon their earlier careers. Gorsuch is highly intelligent and learned. We won’t know for a time if there is a Gorsuch 2.0. O3000 (talk) 15:42, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Flagcruft was immediately removed

Hello Drmies. I happened to come across this diff of Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/German war effort/Evidence. If I'm interpreting your remark correctly, you are saying that nobody had a problem with the addition of these flags. That's not true; perhaps you did not notice that I removed the flags within the hour. Subsequent discussion also resulted in the removal of excessive detail in the awards section. Cheers, — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 12:52, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

• Diannaa, thank you for that (the edit and the comment here)--what I meant (I didn't realize it wasn't as clear as I thought it was) was that the MILHIST editors active on that article didn't seem to think it was a problem. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:40, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
  • That's not correct either, as I objected immediately and repeatedly, and I am a MILHIST member and the author of the current version of the article, which I completely re-wrote top to bottom as GA prep in 2012. User:Kierzek (also a MILHIST member) also supported removal of the flags. See the talk page. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 17:53, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
    • Oh, I didn't even know that. I was thinking of the usual suspects that are all over that history. And now I see in Peacemaker's comment what it was that prompted my remark. I'll clarify. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 17:57, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
      • Thank you Dr. Mies for the clarification on the Arbcom page. Just want to add that I know several users who were/are upset about the edits of user:K.e.coffman. However I am not one of them, as they found little or nothing to amend on the articles I re-wrote for GA, which includes pretty much all the top brass and a lot of heavily viewed articles. See the top of User:Diannaa/Barnstars for the complete list (listed in order of promotion to GA). So we've got plenty of heavily viewed material on this topic that is neutrally worded and ready for use by our readers. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 19:16, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
        • Diannaa, I like to think that I knew pretty well how much you had done for our beautiful project, but the last time I stumbled on your user page (probably to check yet again how many ns and as...) I was just incredibly impressed by the number of stars. I don't think I ever thought of you as a MILHIST person, but I am glad you are. As for Coffman, yeah, and that's all I'll say. Drmies (talk) 19:39, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
      • You'd better move your new edit from the evidence page (which is closed) to Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/German war effort/Evidence before a clerk does. You'll probably move it more the way you like it if you do it yourself. Or shall I ask superclerk Bishzilla? Bishonen | talk 19:33, 30 June 2018 (UTC).
        • Wut? wut? I'm wrong again? Drmies (talk) 19:39, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
        • Haha yes please, esp. since it seems I picked a fight with a clerk somewhere. Thanks Bishterix. Drmies (talk) 19:40, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
          • Comment moved, feel free tweak. Better not pick fight with Bishzilla! bishzilla _ROARR!! pocket 19:51, 30 June 2018 (UTC).
• Comment: Yes, the credit for "Flagcruft" belongs to Diannaa. I did find it a bit funny that a MilHist coord accused me of using this word, He sometimes deletes cited material in his effort to remove (...) what he describes as “flagcruft”, while I merely linked to the Talk page thread that Diannaa had started [3]. In any case, I'd like to share a story. After my article was published in the Society for Military History's newletter, I received a number of unsolicited emails. One included:

Maybe 10 years ago I tried to edit the article about Manstein to include his anti-semitism and role in atrocities. As fast as I made a change, someone came in and took it out. Eventually, I gave up.

I looked at the article today for the first time in long while and it now has a complete picture of the man. The article includes discussion of a letter in which Manstein argued with the SS over who should get the wristwatches of murdered Jews, an especially grotesque incident that was new to me.

People outside of Wikipedia do notice when articles provide a neutral representation, and I thank Diannaa for having rewritten the Manstein page. BTW, it was one of the articles targeted by the subject of the ArbCom case, where he planned to fix "everything" and "rehabilitate" it: source. That's why, in part, I felt that the case was needed. K.e.coffman (talk) 20:00, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

• • Thank you all, especially you, K.e.coffman, for keeping it neutral, and especially you, Diannaa, for so kindly setting me straight, and especially you, Bishzilla, for looking out for me. Drmies (talk) 20:04, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)(reply to K.e.coffman) It makes me nauseated to even think about it. The first thing he did on Manstein was pop in to question sourced content where two historians had opined that Manstein most likely lied at his trial. Thank you K.e.coffman for taking on this stressful task, both the clean-up and the Arbcom work. Thank you Drmies for your kind words above. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 20:16, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Forgot thank Bishzilla ! Perfect work as always ! — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 20:18, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Plurals

Have another look! Metron (talk) 03:17, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

I was was sure that it said "the couple have" and wanted to correct it to "the couple has", somehow this went wrong.Metron (talk) 03:22, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

• Well, maybe, but you were wrong the first time and the second time. Sure, The "couple has" is NOT a Grammar error! but you produced this, with a silly edit summary which was wrong to boot since, as I indicated to you, "the couple" isn't always a singular. Drmies (talk) 03:24, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

WP:AE

You may wish to check in at WP:AE, as User:GoldenRing is doubling down on his disparaging comments about you, to the point of suggesting you be warned for your remarks. --Calton | Talk 10:50, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

• Thanks, but I'm going to pass. This isn't a big enough matter and I'm not really interested in this pissing contest with them. Thanks Calton--I hope you're doing well. Drmies (talk) 15:45, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

• You: Peer Review. Them: Pee Review. SPECIFICO talk 16:39, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

"hmm fetishist alert"

LOL! Thanks for the laugh regarding this. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 04:50, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Seems to be a theme recently. EEng 13:23, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Honestly, Doc Mice, you're such a wet blanket when it comes to rock chicks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:33, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

• I'm glad you enjoyed that, Flyer. Really we should stop meeting at/over these kinds of articles. Fun fact--no, fun guess: how did I meet The Lady? Drmies (talk) 01:21, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
  • No intersection tools allowed: I'm curious where this will go. LadyofShalott 03:45, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
    • Surely you remembered. I thought I did a nice job saying it in emojis. Drmies (talk) 03:00, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
• I'm guessing a Deicide concert. Drmies strikes me as the type to have a secret "Fuck your god!" tattoo. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:03, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Nope. Never heard of the band, and my tattoos have 800 years of literary history, and 17,000 years of art history. ;) Drmies (talk) 03:00, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

That actually sounds rather more interesting, although to be fair, "Fuck your god!" has at least 2,300 years of history behind it. ;) ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 03:30, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

"Another version of the ibex above" Drmies (talk) 15:54, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

An ex girlfriend of mine has the great black bull on her thigh. Damn fine tastes, there. Personally, all of my tattoos are my own artwork, but if I were to choose someone else's, the Lascaux paintings would be on the very short list of contenders. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:00, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

An ex bullfriend of mine has a great black girl on his thigh. But that's a different story. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:06, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

And one best not repeated in polite company, I would guess. ;) ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:40, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

PSG.LGD & LGD Gaming

You, at Wikipedia have a "don't bite the newcomers" policy. i felt not only bitten, but raped by you and Dissident93. I am a newcomer, I saw your information is wrong, I wanted to fix it. For me, an experienced web designer wikipdia is extremely hard to navigate and edit. I want to update the LGD logo, but I don't know how to do that. Forum BB codes are more intuitive than this. I can fill you with lots of information about Esports, Dota2 since I work closely in that sphere, i wanted to contribute with factual information, because the page move from LGD Gaming to PSG.LGD is simply NOT JUSTIFIED, PSG don't own and didn't buy LGD, it's a partnership for 1 team only, out of 6 others. I revised what I could, and it got changed back for no reason by Dissident. it felt discouraging. I'm now not sure if I should even help you any further, since I wanted to help and got a 31 hour block for it. Where's the fairness in that? For wanting to correct your incapable moderator? LiquidNix (talk) 16:28, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

• Hmm. I blocked you for calling another editor a "retard" and now you come here with some hyperbole about being raped. If you ever wanted to discuss the content of some edit, you should have maybe paused before you started venting. Drmies (talk) 16:33, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Well, I call things like I see them, I'm factual and don't spread information I have no source or proof of. Good luck editing on your own then. I'm sure your moderator will do a good job *wink wink* It's amazing that I can name at least 3 wikia-type sites who are light years ahead of wikipedia for gaming and esports. You're the big dogs, you shouldn't let others surpass you, ever. But seeing how you treat newcomers, who want to help, can't say I'm surprised. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LiquidNix (talk • contribs) 16:41, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

• If you think that is rape, you don't know what rape is. Maybe you should stick to Wikia--maybe such revolting language is the norm there. *smells like Gamergate* Drmies (talk) 17:57, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Lol, maybe I will, at least they have factual, up-to-date information on their pages. LiquidNix (talk) 21:18, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

• LiquidNix, there is nothing funny about any of this, and you are inching closer and closer to an indefinite block with every inappropriate remark. That's setting aside the matter of your actual edits which--well, never mind. Drmies (talk) 01:27, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Frustrating, isn't it? But the problem is, all these wikia things have their up-to-date content, and then once that content becomes notable, it eventually finds its way into reliable sources and then it eventually finds its way into Wikipedia articles. And then people create really excellent Wikipedia articles about video games, and then people complain because really excellent articles about video games are on the front page of Wikipedia too much. And then you complain because, oh I don't know exactly. Probably our coverage of e-sports needs to be improved. But then, probably every single major media outlet's coverage of e-sports needs to be improved, and that needs to happen first. Patience. MPS1992 (talk) 22:00, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Yelp

Hoping you or a watchlister might have a minute to take a look at some recent edits here and here? I have a COI. CorporateM (Talk) 23:53, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

 Done (though possibly oversight is in order) General Ization ^Talk 23:55, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

The diff for the first link (as I have removed the content, the OP's link will no longer work) is here. General Ization ^Talk 00:05, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

The page defines Yelp as "controversial" in the first sentence of the Lead and has a dedicated section about a recent lawsuit, Hassel v. Bird. That section says stuff like "Yelp also censors reviews" and that Yelp is "misleading site visitors." It contains likely original research about an individual's experience posting negative reviews on Yelp itself. The section contains no secondary sources. The page also has a Controversy section, which is discouraged by WP:CRITS. That Controversy section cut-off the "Relationship with Businesses" section that is now a stub-section.

I can't imagine most editors would find this to be an NPOV representation of secondary sources. Doing a quick Google News search, the Bird case appears to be widely considered a major victory for Yelp. It held that Yelp cannot be accountable for the content on its site (much like Wikipedia) and no one can force them to censor reviews under defamation claims. CorporateM (Talk) 00:46, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protecting Directive on Copyright in the Digital Single Market?

It seems to me that Directive on Copyright in the Digital Single Market ought to be semi-protected. It's a long way from perfect, but it's vulnerable enough to SPA's that putting up a slight barrier to entry would be worth the potential loss of drive-by improvements. XOR'easter (talk) 02:01, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

• I don't know about SPAs, but I don't see a lot of IP disruption. Drmies (talk) 02:04, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
  • It's possible I'm just being a touch paranoid. (I get bad feelings about articles on topics that are In The News.) The last three IPs to edit the article made a mess [4][5][6], and I spent more time than likely necessary figuring out just what the last one did, before they came back and just tried to cut all of the article out. XOR'easter (talk) 02:15, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
    • Yeah, but it would have to be seriously bad mess before an admin can decide that the mess is so big that it overrides good faith and all that. Semi-protection should prevent disruption, but poor edits aren't necessarily so disruptive as to warrant locking it. If it continues, let us know, but please do so in some detail, also in edit summaries, to make it easier for us. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:41, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
      • Sounds like a good plan. XOR'easter (talk) 15:34, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Help

I am being ATTACKED - WP:STALKING and WP:HARASSMENT by this person - User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz for many months, he apparrently hates me and the visual arts. Please get this guy off my back. Thank you...Modernist (talk) 15:28, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Please note that a short time ago Modernist was warned by User:NeilN about using invective like this to characterize ongoing content disputes [7], a warning Modernist has repeatedly disregarded. This comes out of a longrunning content dispute regarding the use of nonfree images of visual art, where Modernist is among those who strongly reject NFCC policy (see, for example, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts#Under attack, and the related deletion discussions at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 June 18 (where many of the disputed uses that Modernist advocated for have already been removed). The underlying issue is whether certain articles on the visual arts are exempt from (or subject to much more relaxed application of) basic WP:NFCC, WP:V, and WP:RS policies. With his side not prevailing in the dispute, he is again personalizing the issues rather than substantively addressing serious policy concerns. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006. (talk) 16:06, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

• Modernist, I don't think that right now there is anything I can add to what NeilN already said earlier. If you can compile evidence of actual stalking as a list of diffs, you can take that case to ANI, of course. -- Oh, I am just now seeing HW's comment on NeilN's talk page; this was a mass post? Drmies (talk) 17:03, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

A new rapport

If we have gone from you threatening me with a topic ban to you thanking me for my edits, could you please take a look at Talk:Shiva Ayyadurai? Pinkbeast (talk) 00:02, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

• I like to not think in terms of "threat", but rather warning, and I don't know what you're talking about: my comments about poor memory aren't jokes. Don't make that mistake so many Americans make, where everything is about partisanship and not about quality. That was a good edit, and I like to thank people for good edits. Sure. Drmies (talk) 00:03, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
• What should I think about that? There's a lot of material there and I'm not quite sure what is going on and what the problem is. OK, now I see it in the edit history. That IP's argument is pretty lousy. BTW there's not a single-purpose account since they don't use an account... Drmies (talk) 00:09, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

The relevant edit. I am not American, and while I do bear grudges excessively, I am willing to seek a new rapport. Hence this comment, and the request above, because I am frankly at a loss as to what to do about this one.

I don't know how to describe an SPA who doesn't have an account. I think I danced around it on an earlier edit but just fell back on SPA later.Pinkbeast (talk) 00:13, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

SPE - "Single-purpose editor?" Acroterion (talk) 00:15, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

(t/p/s) The second like is what I liked, not the first. The 00:03 one. That's for Drmies. Irondome (talk) 00:18, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Pinkbeast, you are doing what you can, except for one thing: you didn't warn the IP editor for edit warring. Doing that is always a good idea, since it speeds up a process that otherwise needs to go through a couple of cycles--warning someone is the first one. I just did, and I reverted them again, and I hope they will knock it off with the reverts. I think there's enough ground for an edit warring block if they do it again. And Acroterion is on a tear--NO THEY'RE NOT: Acroterion, you let that UDC person of lightly, with just a warning! ;) Drmies (talk) 01:11, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Guess what Acroterion, someone needs a block for edit warring. Drmies (talk) 01:12, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm curious what they'll do next, and I'm feeling ... patient, at least as far as allowing a little more rope. They're no UDC matron. Acroterion (talk) 01:20, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Haha, no, I meant the idea, just now reverted again by Grayfell. But Grayfell has never seen a controversy they didn't like, so maybe they'll take up that talk page discussion. Drmies (talk) 01:24, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm a little slow to get the point. Yeah, blocked for edit-warring. Acroterion (talk) 01:36, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

As an imperfect editor I generally hesitate to warn anyone for edit warring, save the rare case where I am not involved. Pinkbeast (talk) 01:39, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Clarify

Yes it was tampered with after I included the content. Also it was derived from other editors on the talk page in a effort to get consensus. But I am sure you are aware I am no Hemingway, more of a facts and figures guy. But I digress, this is what is cool about Wiki, another can come along and make improvements based on there skill set. Cheers -72bikers (talk) 03:54, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

• It's all good--thanks for coming by. Take it easy, Drmies (talk) 04:25, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Hey 1 question, would the content like this [8] with similar content next to each other be the correct thing to do? -72bikers (talk) 14:35, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're asking... Drmies (talk) 01:49, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

It was big deal is fine. Could you please look at this though [9]. Editor Slatersteven has removed quotes from the citations that supporst the statements you fixed. From his broken English I am not sure what he is claiming gives him the right to do this. I believe policy supports these and there are many in the article just like this. Could you advise me on how to handle this. -72bikers (talk) 16:28, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

WP:AE matters

See my proposal.Volunteer Marek (talk) 08:14, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

• Hmm OK. How are things on AE? Maybe I should look. Drmies (talk) 17:44, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for cleaning this up. We edit conflicted but I was trimming the abnormal amount of external links as well. Safe to say there was some COI editing. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 00:15, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

• Ha, sorry, didn't mean to get in your way. My axe is a bit blunt, but really, there's nothing there that has proper verification... Drmies (talk) 00:21, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Courtesy RevDel on my talk page

Hi Drmies! You just blocked a user who made some threats in Korean on my talk page. Could I get a courtesy revdel of those edits? (Specifically these diffs: [10] [11] [12] [13]) If not, no worries. Thanks for your time and your work. --Policy Reformer(c) 00:01, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

• Sure. Thanks Google translate. BTW I blocked that user cause I saw they were fucking with you. Drmies (talk) 00:03, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Thanks! Your work is impressive. You hit that block before I even got the AIV report written up. Have a great evening! --Policy Reformer(c) 00:06, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
    • Ha, you seem to attract it tonight. Take it easy, Drmies (talk) 00:09, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Suspicious UP may be stolen

Hi, while NPPing I came across EngelskaSurname who has a false UP, claiming 12 years experience, Catholicism, and work at DRN. From previous cases, I am pretty sure this was lifted wholesale from a pre-existing user, but the page is not familiar and some cursory searches are not bringing up any priors. Do you or any of your weeb-cultTPS know where this is originally from? I don't want to remove it or ask for deletion if I don't have the original as evidence. ^Thanks, L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 16:13, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

It's probably something that the sockmaster has used previously. Deleted per WP:G5. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 16:21, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

^Thanks, L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 16:28, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

• Seems like they want to be caught, since EnglishEfternamn and EngelskaSurname are the same name, with the languages, Swedish and English, switching places ("engelska" is Swedish for "English" and "efternamn" is Swedish for "surname"...). I doubt the sock master is a native Swedish speaker, though, since "engelska efternamn" is in the plural but "English surname" in the singular (in the singular it would be "engelskt efternamn"...). - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 16:44, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
• You saw Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/EnglishEfternamn/Archive, right? Drmies (talk) 17:03, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

I took a quick look at it, noting the huge number of blocked socks listed there, but didn't read it. Should I? - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 17:11, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Meh. It's not that exciting. ;) Drmies (talk) 17:13, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

If you were asking me, then yes I saw it. This guy has nothing to do with his time. ^Thanks, L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 17:29, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Complaint at ANI

Hi Drmies, I know we've disagreed at various points, but whatever, I'd love your advice here. I saw your comments at Talk:Lana Lokteff and thought they were reasonable. I do think her denial of being a White Supremacist, even if published on Youtube, needs to be covered since this is a BLP.

However, User:WikiVolunteerBen's latest comment on the talk page, asking "Are you Jewish? Serious question." seems to be a major red flag. Am I misreading this? I've made a post at ANI [14] and have notified WikiVolunteerBen. I don't want to start drama for nothing but the question sounds totally outrageous and out of the blue. -Darouet (talk) 15:55, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Well, I guess subsequent discussion has rendered my question here moot. -Darouet (talk) 17:41, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

• WE HAVE DISAGREED? OK I'll go see what's going on. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 01:32, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

My block

Hello, can I ask why I was blocked and why I’m now unblocked? The block was until January so now I’m a little confused. Thanks. Alexanderlee (talk) 02:25, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

• What block? I don't know... Drmies (talk) 03:17, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

I’m not even sure right now; I couldn’t edit yesterday and the icon to edit said that I had been blocked until January, it just said “LTA rangeblock” blocked by you, but that’s all gone now so that’s why I’m confused.. sorry to have bothered you. Alexanderlee (talk) 07:12, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Hi Alexanderlee. Your block log doesn't show your account ever being blocked. Is it possible that you forgot to login when tried to edit yesterday? Maybe you were editing from a different IP address than usual, one which had been blocked by Drmies or another admin? The only other possibility I can think of is that you were tyring to edit an article which had been fully protected so that only administrators can edit it and that protection was set to last until January. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:43, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: I’m honestly not sure but whatever it was it’s not an issue anymore, thanks for your comment.:) Alexanderlee (talk) 12:02, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker)@Alexanderlee: A rangeblock is a block put on a range of IP addresses. From what you said, your IP address happened to be within the range of an WP:LTA case, and Drmies blocked the range. The reason you're no longer seeing any such method is likely because your ISP rotated your IP address to one outside of that range. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 12:25, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
• I think MPants and Marchjuly are right. I (and others) have placed a lot of rangeblocks recently to deal with a couple of trolls, and it is entirely possible that your IP fell under one of those. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 19:44, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

LTA rangeblock?

I’ve just tried to edit a page on my phone and have got a notice telling me you blocked me from editing, with the reason given as “LTA rangeblock”.

Can you please explain this for me? Cheers —  Cliftonian (talk)  21:31, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I hadn’t seen the discussion above on this. That explains. Thanks —  Cliftonian (talk)  21:32, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

• User:Cliftonian, I'm sorry to say you're not the only one. I'm sure there's a bunch of fellow admins getting similar messages these days. Thanks... Drmies (talk) 16:23, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Beowulf Mining for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Beowulf Mining is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beowulf Mining (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Uhooep (talk) 23:37, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Please explain

Hi, it seems that you have blocked editing until 11 January 2019 for possibly a lot of people. I logged into Wikipedia on my mobile this morning and found I was unable to edit pages while using my mobile data, but there was no problem when using my wifi. The reason given for the block was an LTA rangeblock, so I presume that someone else using the same service provider has been blocked, and because of this, so has everyone else using the same provider? Would just like some clarification on this issue, cheers. Davidlofgren1996 (talk) 08:19, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

• Which range? Drmies (talk) 14:52, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Blocked every Vodafone user in London for six months?

You appear to have put in place a very wide IP range block for a very long period of time. This is preventing me, and many other users, editing on mobile even when logged in. Please could you consider whether this block is appropriate? Mcc84mcc (talk) 10:35, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

• Which range? Drmies (talk) 14:51, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Perfectly appropriate. All of them. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:54, 18 July 2018 (UTC):

Agree, perfectly rational response to V(X)fC. —SerialNumber54129 ^{paranoia /cheap sh*t room} 11:22, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

All range blocks are appropriate? VoteX is not the problem on this range, and it wouldn't be appropriate if they were. Drmies might want to check my previous email on the subject. (alternative link) -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 11:27, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

VxFC is best dealt with an edit filter as they seem to copy and paste the same canned phrases again and again; ideally we'd have a Bayesian filter that could machine-learn who is a VxFC sock and who isn't, but we can only use what we've got. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:31, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

I think that's someone else; V(X)fC spends most of their time at the refdesks making generally sensibe remarks; although they have a hbit of intruding into noticeboard discussions to moan about admins. But they're clearly an erudite writer. Shame all they get now is WP:DENY  :) —SerialNumber54129 ^{paranoia /cheap sh*t room} 11:44, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm guessing it's this one [15]. Black Kite (talk) 11:15, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

I take it the block message says very clearly what WP:COLLATERAL is, but I certainly recall browsing Wikipedia on my phone logged out while generally "chilling" in Hyde Park and noticed my IP was blocked (it would have been an O2 4G connection, can't remember the IP or who did the block). If hard blocks are necessary, we might just need to dish out IPBE for more people. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:09, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Mmmmmm..... .... nice!!. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:23, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

• A /23 is 512 IPs, i.e. just a tiny fraction of the IPs Vodafone have in London... - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 11:32, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

The range is not restricted to London. As ranges go - logged in and otherwise - it's very busy. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 11:39, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

• As usual, I will listen to zzuuzz, though I can't find an email about this particular range; zzuuzz, if there is something that I missed, please act in the best interest of the project and its users. Thanks! (And Ritchie, I can't edit while driving since some vandal in Georgia is causing rangeblocks. Wait...edit while driving? maybe that block is a good thing...) Drmies (talk) 15:56, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

You'd better watch it, Doc. Editing and Driving will get you points on your license. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:45, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Ha, but it doesn't explicitly say "editing Wikipedia" so na na nuh na na. Plus I'm not in Georgia. But yeah, all these things are forbidden here too. Oh--we do points? I've gotten a speeding tickets, but not points, as far as I know. Drmies (talk) 17:00, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

You're not in Georgia? Well, you should head there now. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 17:16, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

I always thought you might have a personal chauffeur, or that you all went around autonomously. Don't we have hands-free editing yet? Dr, there's very few mailing list threads that I've started, and none other entitled "Vodafone ranges". I'm afraid I lean on the side of softblocking yet again (it's not actually that effective towards its target anyway). I'll take a detailed review and wait a respectable time for objections before I do anything though. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 17:06, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

• Well I wouldn't bother releasing 85.255.234.0/23 just yet anyway, because it's globally blocked until 7 September anyway. Black Kite (talk) 17:21, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

But here's the key thing - it's a global softblock and local hardblock. I previously locally lifted some of the global hardblocks, as you can see in the log link I posted above. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 17:25, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Fair point. Black Kite (talk)

I've modified the block--thanks zzuuzz and Black Kite. Drmies (talk) 17:44, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 18:22, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Vandalism thoughts

On Miss Sarita's talk, you wrote "as an admin, though, you know how serious the vandalism can get sometimes". I don't often do anti-vandalism, but the stuff on Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna of Russia that I redacted really angered me; it's the only time I've done a rangeblock without hesitation, thinking "take that, you sick fuck". So yeah, I know the sort of stuff we're up against and it's a shame good-faith editors get caught by it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:59, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

• Given the tone and content of some of the vandalism I've seen in the last year or so (haven't looked at yours yet) I'm starting to rethink the "anyone can edit" thing. But then I see all the good work that IPs do, and I also frequently do IP edits (the app doesn't do this two-stage logging in), and we should have a low threshold, and then I'm wavering again. Drmies (talk) 19:22, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Yup, I occasionally do anti-vandalism patrol logged out, just to catch people out who think "OMG IP, BAN BAN BAN". There was the maths expert regular IP who got into a tussle with RandNetter96 and if I hadn't popped along to AN3 at the right time, the IP might have got a "3RR, NPA, sock" block from somebody else. Instead the IP got let off (because he was right and the only party to actually think about improving the article) while RandNetter96 turned out to be a sock anyway. The moral of this, ladies and gentlemen, is AGF really is a thing, not a three letter acronym to whack people round the head with. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:26, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Heads up

There's a topic at ANI regarding a page you tagged. SQL^{Query me!} 04:19, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

• The gift that keeps on giving. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 21:26, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Evade

Drmies, thanks for understanding about the IP sock. I used to mark the reverts WP:DENY but NeilN suggested EVADE [[16]]. This sock is targeting the firearms topics basically because I'm here. If you look at HughD's sock history you can see this guy has used a lot of Chicago area IP addresses. He's even been bold enough to try to discuss things with NeilN[[17]]. Since his block occasionally the IP will throw up a RfC or the like in hopes of getting something to stick regardless of sanctions. This is part of why I typically will revert even mundane changes. Thanks for listening. Springee (talk) 02:55, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

• I don't think there was much there I could do admin-wise; I don't know if NeilN blocked or what. It's always worth adding IPs to the SPI, if only for the record. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 21:27, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Deletion review for Ankit Love

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Ankit Love. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. MB190417 (talk) 22:54, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

UTRS appeal #22131

A user you have blocked has opened UTRS appeal #22131 on the Unblock Ticket Request System. The reviewing administrator, 5 albert square (talk · contribs), has requested your input:

Doyouimplyacalp?srfsrs (block log • active blocks • global blocks • autoblocks • contribs • deleted contribs • abuse filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Time: Jul 21, 2018 10:44:16

Message: Hi! Just looking for your opinion on their unblock request as you experienced abuse before.

Notes:

• If you do not have an account on UTRS, you may create one at the administrator registration interface.
• Alternatively, you can respond here and indicate whether you are supportive or opposed to an unblock for this user and your rationale, if applicable.

--UTRSBot (talk) 10:44, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

• Hey--well, this is a good reason to unblock, of course--but that's the best edit they made. NOTHERE seems applicable. Now, if the question is whether they're also one of those other editors, I can't easily answer that: there's so many. Drmies (talk) 23:08, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

• Why would anyone want to unblock this user?--Bbb23 (talk) 00:11, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

• Bbb, I'm going to have to use a lifeline for that question. Drmies (talk) 01:24, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Accusation of religious discrimination

• So apparently I'm discriminating against Christian Indonesians. What do you think? Should I bring myself to ANI?

(For those talk page stalkers who can't read sarcasm online, I think this accusation is hilarious. I mean, I teach part-time at an ACE school...) — Chris Woodrich (talk) 04:54, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

• I'll be happy to block you. Drmies (talk) 16:05, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Good block

Thank you for blocking Turnerhoney1. Akld guy (talk) 02:12, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

AR 15 style rifle

Would you please take a look at what is happening over there? 72bikers made an edit (removing some quotes that had been in the article at least since March) that I challenged by reversion. My revert was reverted very quickly, with almost no discussion. I think that violates the remedies, so I asked the editor (Thomas.W) to send revert, but they refused. I reported them to ANI but was told it's the wrong venue. So I restored the revert the next day, was again reverted, and then again.

Unfortunately I'm now in a place where Wikipedia is blocked, and I can only access it by a phone with very slow internet. That makes it impossible to copy and paste diffs or make long reports. So I cannot report these users to the correct notice board (I'm not even sure which it is). But I consider their actions a blatant violation, and yet the edit stands. Maybe even just you giving an opinion would help? Waleswatcher (talk) 06:30, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

• It seems editors want this to go through AE (and a thread was closed twice, though in my quick perusal I couldn't find where the first thread was at or how it was closed). I don't necessarily agree with that, but it's true that there is a hesitancy to deal with such matters outside of AE. I don't think we're doing ourselves many favors by always choosing that route, and I can't collect evidence or go to AE right now; perhaps Slatersteven can? What I can say is that I don't understand their reasons for wanting the quotes gone: "they're wrong" just isn't a good enough reason to throw out quotes from reliable sources (and they seem to be reliable), and this semi-semantic finagling of the definition of "assault rifle" is just another ruse from gun advocates. Drmies (talk) 14:07, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher)Actually, it was a "ruse" developed by anti-gun folks in the late 80s/early 90s to create a public perception that firearms are capable of assaulting and that firearms in the hands of civilians are baaaad. And the ruse worked when the "assault weapons ban" was put into place by Congress for 10 years beginning in 1994. However, like all ruses, the truth the ruse became clear when the ban did nothing to deter the use of firearms that were part of the list of no-no guns with the criminals being the only ones still using them and the only ones able to get them. And today? Well, gosh - with the ban expired in 2004, the most commonly used "assault weapons" are fists, feet, and knives while rifles are way down on the list. These statistics are all available at the ATF, CDC, and FBI websites, by the way. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 14:43, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

• Winkelvi, I'm not interested in your gun advocacy on my talk page, and this nonsense about "only criminals..." etc. Save your forum posts for the article talk pages and the Arb noticeboards. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 18:11, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

• Drmies, you are mistaking truth and fact advocacy for gun advocacy. Funny, but I thought someone of your academic "prowess" would appreciate getting squared away on the facts. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 16:57, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Let's put a few things straight here. I'm all for gun control, but since the English language Wikipedia is an international English-language encyclopaedia, not a U S only encyclopaedia, I feel that discussions about gun control in the U S should be kept to articles about gun control in the U S, and not spill over to all articles about firearms. Assault rifle is not a relatively new U S only term, but a longstanding (70+ years) internationally accepted and used name for a very specific type of fully automatic purely military firearm, a type of firearm that no civilians in the Western world, not even in the U S, have ever been able to legally own (in the U S because of a federal law from 1932 that banned civilian ownership of fully automatic weapons), with the name being a direct translation of the German term Sturmgewehr (derived from Sturmgewehr 44, the firrst weapon of that type). People in the U S who are not familiar with military weapons, however, often conflate assault rifle with the U S only political/legal term assault weapon, which apart from the first part of the name has nothing in common with assault rifle (even though some types of assault weapons have been made to look like assault rifles), since assault weapon refers to semi-automatic purely civilian weapons only, while assault rifle only refers to select fire (i.e. fully automatic) purely military weapons. - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 15:01, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

The quotes are from a section of the article that specifically discusses the select-fire Armalite AR-15, which is uncontroversially described as an assault rifle. They are not describing the Colt AR-15 or AR-15 style rifle as assault rifles. –dlthewave ☎ 15:09, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

The quotes are visible only in the reflist-section, not in the short Terminology-section that mentions the Armalite AR-15, and only one of the quotes makes clear that it is talking about the Armalite AR-15. The Terminology-section of the article also doesn't mention that the Armalite AR-15 differs from AR-15 style rifles by being fully automatic (referring to it as being an assault rifle is of no help since the average reader doesn't know the difference between an assault rifle and an assault weapon; see my post above), and seems to be deliberately intended to confuse people... - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 15:31, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

I have some thoughts/opinions on the inclusion of the quotes in question but I think this is a discussion that now should be back at the article talk page vs here. BTW, I have posted a question at VP that is related to what we are discussing though in a generic sense. [[18]] The short version is do we have an essay or guideline that discusses the appropriate use for quotes embedded in citations? Springee (talk) 16:52, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Springee, that may be useful. Typically (as an admin) I'm only interested in whether these quotes exceed the fair use boundaries. In general, quotes shouldn't be used to help supply editorial commentary, of course, but I am not really interested in figuring out if that was the case here, since life is short. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 18:11, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

ANI, ELSEWHERE!!!, AE, GO ELSEWHERE!!!, frankly the admins seem to be unwilling to deal with this so why the hell should I bother? I really am not very impressed with the unwillingness to answer the question "was there a violation?". I have noticed on other pages that DS just seems an excuse for some admin to go "see we have done something" and then the same behavior that caused the DS continues unabated. IF DS is meaningless why even have it, and if not then admins need to more proactively enforce it, it is after all why it is there.Slatersteven (talk) 08:30, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

• Slatersteven, as long as we're dealing with a whole bunch of people who think that INVOLVED is a blanket concept that they can throw over anything, as long as so many editors think that admins are incapable of setting aside their personal opinions if they are to judge policy violations, I am staying out of this one. But I agree: we need more admins taking up their responsibilities in DS areas. Right now we got a half dozen, maybe a few more, admins making most of those decisions--that is not a good situation. Drmies (talk) 16:09, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

More than 100 reverts on one article today

Hi Drmies, I blocked both the editors to stop the disruption before I saw your comment. After I saw it I was going to post on ANI that I would unblock if other people thought they should have been warned first, but multiple edit conflicts and it was closed within minutes. Sarahj2107 (talk) 17:23, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

• Ha, you're fast, but so is Bbb. I'm in that sleepy, mellow lunch mood so I wasn't going to disturb that by blocking. Thanks for the blocks, and the note! Drmies (talk) 17:27, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

• I was gonna block if Sarah hadn't. Warnings aren't needed after the 1,000,000th revert. It's a rule.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:28, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

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Trolling no. Angry yes. An old farts increasing disgust with the politics of the West

Hi Drmies. Nah I wasn't trolling. I wasn't deliberately baiting to get a rise. It ain't my style. If it came across like that, I apologise to you and the community. But I was fucking angry. I've been made aware from the threads there is some shit going on in the Wiki politics projects. At the moment it's conservatism. I saw banning it as an unwise an extreme and totalitarian move. Ditto banning any of them. But the nub of it is this. I'm angry and actually a little scared as to how we conduct politics in the West in 2018. Trump, Corbyn, i'm sick of them all. Populism of the right and left stalks the continents. Political tribalism has now become society-threatening. Back in the day you could agree to disagree, find common ground. Those days are gone. And yeah. I went to university to hears ideas and thoughts that were designed to make me uncomfortable. And many did. But nobody ever ran from an idea. You came up with other ideas from the academic toolkit University gave you. (I'm not talking about real-deal Nazi's, that's what violent demos were for, and I attended a few). I used to be seriously far-left, but no one Militant or the SWP would have me because I didn't (and don't) follow party lines. So now i'm a centrist I suppose. I'm no conservative (in the U.S sense. There are differences. In the U.K the Tories are about where Clinton was). So I was venting basically yeah. Thanks for the good words Dr by the way, but even valued long-term contributors can blow their tops sometimes. Thanks for the space to type this crap. I don't know what is up or down anymore. Irondome (talk) 16:43, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

I think you're a victim of the panic-mongering that both the left and right are engaging in. Political tribalism has now become society-threatening - two world wars and a cold war later and it's only now becoming society threatening? Mr rnddude (talk) 16:49, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Only one of those sides is in power in the US, and plenty of real-life people have good reason to feel afraid. Not me: I'm white and my English is passable. Drmies (talk) 16:55, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

(e/c):::You could be right. But the post war consensus which I don't think was peculiar to the U.K is smashed. Maybe i'm late to the panic party, but i'm at the door, case of beer at my feet. Irondome (talk) 16:59, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

• You know this talk page is a happy place, but there is plenty of space for honest comments by valued contributors. Let's all try to judge things on their merits. As one other contributor said, or hinted, if a project does more than just coordinate in order to improve the quality of the encyclopedia, it doesn't matter what ilk they are, but I can see how some believe that this project does a bit more than that. I was displeased at one of the DYK tips, and at the language of "planting a seed"--that latter evokes an Astroturfing association for me, but that's just me and I don't think that personal association of mine is grounds enough for me to try and ban something, if "ban" was even the right word. I live under a two-party system (not allowed to vote anyway, haha) and I firmly believe that having only two parties is toxic; at least you have, I think, two and a half, at least, no? Take care, Drmies (talk) 16:55, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)(edit conflict) Irondome, my comment, directly above the subsection explicitly called out Libertarianism and Liberalism as possible wikiprojects to include in such a ban. I specified that it was only those political projects with an ideology that I was proposing to ban.

I also stated that there's no way to have such projects without them resulting in POV pushing: a point nobody who responded even touched on.

The point of my proposal -as any reasonable person could clearly see- was to reduce the tribalism of political editors. A reader capable of grasping obvious implications would have seen more: that I was defending Lionelt's editing. Now go read my user page, where I clearly refer to myself as a liberal, feminist and an SJW, and ask yourself again how "deeply sinister," "extreme and totalitarian" it is for me to make a suggestion to reduce tribalism in the defense of an editor who has a political POV in general opposition to my own.

And if you still think it's all of those things, you'll want to start doing some research on what those words mean, because in the grand scale of things, even the most obvious partisan push on WP is about as sinister, extreme and totalitarian as a puppy being potty trained. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:59, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

W-ing for SJ is a good thing. Drmies (talk) 17:05, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Honestly, I wish more SJWs would take the W part a bit more literally. I'm not advocating violence (or even toxic masculinity), but social justice activism could do with some more manly types. Why let the right have a monopoly on heroic archetypes as behavioral models? ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 17:33, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

R U ESSENTIALIZING GENDER ON MY TALK PAGE????????????????? Drmies (talk) 17:37, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Not only that, I'm gendering you, dude. MUAH HA HA!!! Actually, I'm trying to increase diversity in gender expressions among advocates for social equity by advocating myself for more of the currently-underrepresented expressions of traditionally (though not toxic) masculine gender identities in the hopes of further making it clear that men benefit from feminism as well. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 17:46, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Eh I like men being men, but being a man does not mean being an asshole. PackMecEng (talk) 12:29, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

I agree, but in the present American political system many think a strong leader gropes women and ridicules the disabled. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 12:43, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

That is the heart of the issue really. Being a man was different when I was a youngin. PackMecEng (talk) 12:49, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

That those two things alone were not enough to disqualify, I'll never understand--though I realize that morality bends much more easily when you have already done away with truth. Who would have thunk that the party who used to criticize academics for questioning concepts of truth now simply does away with it altogether? My children weren't really impressed by his strongmannishness. Plus, we like to emphasize telling the truth and reading the papers, so yeah. Drmies (talk) 12:52, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

It's not about when we were raised so much as it is how we were raised. Some people were taught to be respectful and to earn respect themselves. Others were taught to demand respect and show none to establish dominance. The former group tend to be more widely respected by those that know them, and the latter are super fun to punch in the face. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 13:04, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Yeah good point, though it's not nice to punch people! PackMecEng (talk) 13:07, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

I saw it incorrectly then. So I apologise. You were trying to de-stress this place. But you are aware of the WP bubble, where all is magnified, like a hall of mirrors in an old school fairground. Sometimes it sucks you in. Irondome (talk) 17:07, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Apology accepted, and FWIW, I am very aware of it. I self-banned myself from American Politics (except where it overlaps with my other interests here) because I'm completely sick and tired of the back-and-forth POV pushing from both sides of the political isle, and the dumpster-fire environment that has produced. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 17:33, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) More and more I am thinking you had the right idea. PackMecEng (talk) 17:38, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Come. Join the walkout! We have cake! ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 17:46, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

#walkaway Drmies (talk) 17:58, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Wait, does that mean there will be a bunch of bots who pretend to follow me and a bunch of editors who've never edited in politics claiming to have followed me? ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 18:07, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

a} I’ll follow you anywhere if you have wine instead of cake. b) These days I’m an SJw (Social Justice wimp). c:) On the subject of killing DS-related WikiProjects, we can’t baby~bathwater. It would seem fairly easy to abuse WikiProjects in any DS related area on any “side”. I’ve only witnessed this once, and I raised my concerns in an ANI post that was roundly dismissed; so you won’t see me bringing it up again soon in that forum. But, I remain concerned about any particular WikiProject (or member therein) that may be engaged in votestacking or any other area of POV-pushing. But then, Emerson said: "“Give me wine to wash me clean of the weather-stains of cares”. O3000 (talk) 22:46, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Per my comment above about my own Wing: I don't usually do wine, though I also have a nice 50 year old Macallan if you like scotch. As for the wikiprojects: Yeah, that was pretty much my point, except I feel like Lionelt is the baby and the wikiprojects are the bathwater. I've seen Lionel's editing and I don't think it's that bad. But wikiprojects where any notification is by definition canvassing, and any coordination is by definition meat-puppetry? Yeah, I see those as a problem. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 00:23, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Lauren Southern

Hello, Whomever adds the quote on women’s leadership, could you please provide a working citation? The link goes to “The Australian,” but no article or video about Lauren Southern is given. Also, please do not remove my other edit without providing a valid reason. If you have any constructive criticism for me, it would much appreciated. Thank you and have a great day, J072318 J072318 (talk) 17:33, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

• Already responded on the last user page where you left this. Drmies (talk) 17:33, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Protection

Drmies, can you please protect the TFA ASAP, check out its page history. Home Lander (talk)

Somebody got it, never mind. Home Lander (talk) 17:41, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

• I saw. I got on it too. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 17:50, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Ugh. One must be seriously disturbed to repeatedly upload a disgusting photo like he's been, and adding it to featured content for the whole world to see. I've put in a filter request to stop this. See my Commons upload log, overwriting the image as it's been appearing. Home Lander (talk) 17:52, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

• I saw the filter request, yes. My capabilities are limited, unfortunately. Drmies (talk) 17:55, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

• No kidding, I wouldn't know where to even begin. Hopefully our coders can work something up. Home Lander (talk) 17:56, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

What SNOW?

You don't link to what you mean by "SNOW". I find Ellie Soutter far short of notability and am wondering what you think are "policy based arguments for keeping" when people whose careers end before they have any success in non-juvenile competitions are usually not covered. LE (talk) 18:16, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

• WP:SNOW. Also WP:GNG. And while one might go WP:BLP1E, the nomination so soon after such an event is just too soon; you can revisit this if you like, of course, in a few AfD, but in such cases we typically wait just a little while. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 18:20, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello

You welcomed me to Wikipedia now particular user seems to strike an attack against my contributions and when i provide arguments for the "proposed deletion" process places the tags again. You welcomed me before to Wikipedia so i remembered you and I don't know how to handle this situation, maybe you can give me a good advice" Noona Noona (talk) 00:29, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

• I see that my spiritual son Bbb23 has already addressed the matter, for which he will get an extra dessert tonight. Thanks Bbb, and Noona Noona, good luck. Yes, you are always welcome here with questions. Drmies (talk) 01:28, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
  • We are all your spiritual children, doctor. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:34, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
    • Hmm I better start baking more pies then! Drmies (talk) 01:37, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
      • I thought I was your brother. Do I call you Pa or Bro?--Bbb23 (talk) 15:35, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
        • I already have a brother. No, no "bro", not ever. ;) Drmies (talk) 16:18, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Dr.@Drmies: @TonyBallioni: @Bbb23: thanks a lot for helping . Now all of my contribution was deleted what would you advise me. Noona Noona (talk) 02:22, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

heh, I just was making a pointless comment. Drmies, you’re close enough to Georgia. Make my pie peach. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:33, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

• Noona Noona, I don't know what contribution you mean. Drmies (talk) 14:46, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

@Drmies: all updates I have done before Noona Noona (talk) 14:57, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

• To what? Drmies (talk) 14:58, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

• Reply hazy, try again. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 04:05, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

God

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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That's me.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:21, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

• I have an unhealthy relationship with my right hand, but you don't see me putting that on my user page. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 02:55, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

• Had I gone the rest of the weekend without reading that I would have been a happier and more fulfilled individual. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 03:11, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

• "Atlas Shrugged"? Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 08:58, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

• Haha, that's hilarious. Dude said the Right was too dogmatic; don't know what dogmas he's talking about. The only thing the "Right" seems to have left from the old days is xenophobia and a hatred of the poor. I wonder if this libertarian played baseball in high school. Drmies (talk) 15:31, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
• And there are those who say that I am an asshole--well... Drmies (talk) 15:33, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

• Classifying me as a libertarian would be an oversimplification. I consider my ideology a mix of social liberalism and the foreign policy of a neoconservative, if you're really that interested. As for the right being too dogmatic, I am referring to the fact that the American right seems to rely far too much on tradition and religion, things which I think should be held inferior to reason and scientific knowledge. Perhaps I am an asshole; I don't really care all that much, as I have come to learn that being an asshole is warranted on occasion, especially when being confronted by aggressive and condescending individuals (such as the one in the instance to which you are referring). I think it's interesting that all of you have retreated to some random Admin's talk page to mock me instead of confronting me about the issue, as should have been done in the first place. Spockofdagobah

• I am far from random. But yeah, that comment was totally assholish. If you like I can continue this on your talk page, with a warning pointing to WP:NPA. Drmies (talk) 15:46, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

• Okay, let's go. Spockofdagobah —Preceding undated comment added 15:47, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

• Done. Note that that low-level warning in no way impedes any admin from placing a WP:NOTHERE block on your account, with your 30 or so article space edits, and a few hundred updating your user page. Did you think this was a dating site? Drmies (talk) 15:52, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

• Not that I must justify to you what I do on my personal user page, but seeing as I only get on here to make a few minor edits to articles every now and then, I modeled that user page after what I had believed to have been the common setup (i.e. I had viewed the pages of the most active contributors and simply tried to make a similar user page). After Bbb23 had blanked my page (as I may add, yet again, without doing the polite thing and contacting me first), I looked at WP:User pages and saw that this was, in fact, not the norm. Hence my own blanking this morning. Spockofdagobah

• You can have a userpage, an intricate one even; but the amount of time you spend developing it should be dwarfed by the amount of time you spend improving articles. ~450/500 edits on userpage with ~30/500 on articles is not typically indicative of an editor here to contribute constructively to the encyclopaedia. Mr rnddude (talk) 16:06, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

• Got it, thanks for informing me of that. I apologize for not having been aware of that beforehand. Spockofdagobah —Preceding undated comment added 16:08, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

• And to think, he goes to Carolina. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:11, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

• I do, I happen to be a kind-of intelligent person. Everyone on this page is having at it at me for being an asshole, and yet others get to say as they think? What's up with that? Spockofdagobah

• Before anybody else decides to join in, I will remind you all that you are as beholden to NPA, CIVILITY, AGF, etc as a new editor. TB, snide commentary is unhelpful, not to mention uncivil. Mr rnddude (talk) 16:20, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
• I mentioned it because if you talk to alumni of that fine institution, what you will find is that they tend to universally agree that one of the best experiences they had there was feeling like an idiot for the first time in their lives and having the great realization that there are many people in the world of equal and greater intelligence to themselves.
  You are currently arguing on the talk page of an academic who has published in peer reviewed journals. We have editors here who are faculty at Harvard and retired librarians from Princeton. No one cares that you are a physics undergrad at UNC. It doesn’t matter one iota on Wikipedia. The basic theory behind this website is that anyone can write an encyclopedia because it’s a tertiary source that summarized reliable secondary sources. High school kids can and do write featured articles.
  What does this mean for you: well, you have a valuable resource by having access to one of the best library systems in the country which means you can contribute a lot to our project. You’re going to need to get over yourself though or you’re likely to find yourself blocked at some point. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:33, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

• I can personally attest to that statement, as I have been dealt many blows to my ego at this institution. And as for "getting over myself," I think you will see above that I did admit that I was in the wrong, deleted the intricate user page which may have appeared narcissistic (believe it or not, that was not the intention), and even apologized for not knowing the rules of this website. As for Wikipedians being published, Harvard faculty, etc., great for them, that's something to be proud of. As I think you'll see, the only place I mentioned what/where I was studying was on my user page; it was never intended to be flaunted about, just a detail about my life. And I tend to agree with you, none of it matters here or anywhere else on the Internet. That's why, frankly, I don't care if this user is published, if I am being mocked for something that I did or was purported to have done, I intend to stand up for myself. Spockofdagobah —Preceding undated comment added 16:45, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

• I’m glad you see why it might have gotten to people, and am happy you’re having a good experience at UNC. My larger point is that even here in your responsss to Drmies and in your dealings with other users that he warned you about, you don’t seem to quite get that this is a collaborative project where we treat people with respect. I hope you stay and become more involved here, you seem like you have a lot to offer, but working on Wikipedia takes a certain degree of humility (I will never understand how Drmies and EEng still suffer fools like me) and that starts by listening to people who are trying to give you advice. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:57, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

ANEW

Say that to his face, Acroterion.

I just closed this. I also reverted the reporter here who left the wrong message in the wrong spot.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:52, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

• I once met an Italian who, in his basement, had a room dedicated to Ajax. This one should do the same for Dragut. Posters, action figures, magazines... Drmies (talk) 15:27, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
  • A detergent groupie? Acroterion (talk) 15:41, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
    • Acroterion, that you are one of the most helpful admins ever doesn't mean I can't block you for being completely disrespectful. I think I'm going to write up WP:RfAR properly--meaning analogous to WP:GAR, with the last R meaning "Review". Drmies (talk) 15:55, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
      • You'd think I'd said something about the Tide. Are all of your teams named after soap? Acroterion (talk) 16:10, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
        • GRRRRRRRRRRR. Drmies (talk) 17:01, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

Library block

Your 10 days left block for ongoing LTA of an IP address is of Sacramento Public Library, a 5 or 6 story county library. Victor Kosko (talk) 00:15, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

• There are lots of IPs and lots of libraries; I can't tell which one you are talking about. What I can say is that we see lots of abuse and ranges aren't blocked lightly, not by me and not by others. If you explain which one you're talking about there may be more to say (though I have an idea already), and perhaps someone can provide a second opinion. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 16:28, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Snooganssnoogans

This user recently reverted a few edits I made to the Peter Strzok page. Everything that I contributed to the article was RS and by the book, yet this user not only reverted the edits, they then attacked me and called me "fringey". Vaalpak (talk) 22:47, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

If an editor has physically attacked you, then I am not sure that Dr Mies should be your first port of call. If an editor has only attacked the material that you have been adding to articles, then I am very sure that Dr Mies should not be your first port of call. Except regarding articles in which they are an expert, like some U.S. sports teams apparently. MPS1992 (talk) 22:55, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Incidentally, I find that Snoogumwhatever person rather annoying as well. Mostly because they deliberately chose a name that aggressively makes no sense. Also because they are something to do with American politics, which is Bad. That's it really. Avoid American politics (1787 to 1989), live a happy life. Goodbye. MPS1992 (talk) 22:59, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

MPS, are you saying I can't physically defend someone? I have serious muscles, though I also have a bit of a belly and some severe shoulder pain. In other words, I can throw a punch but if I miss, and my arm swings wildly, I'm in some pain, and if I get handcuffed and they pull my arms up behind my back I'll be crying like a baby. Anyway, I'm like a total expert on Strzok, having watched some of the show on TV and spending way too much time on Facebook, so there. Drmies (talk) 16:30, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Hmm Vaalpak that content seems to well-verified, and the revert by User:Snooganssnoogans has some merit--anytime Snopes has to step in there's something real going on. Whether the second paragraph in that revert is really leadworthy is a possible matter of contention, and personally I think that that text belongs elsewhere. BTW you do seem to have a rather narrow scope here, and your edit on Joseph diGenova was properly challenged. If it wasn't for the conspiracy theories he might not be known for anything at all. Drmies (talk) 16:35, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

GSJ vandal / rangeblock analysis

Could use a second set of eyes on a range block. There's really nutty vandal running on a German Unitymedia range that's been problematic for a while now. Your attempt at ascribing a behavior domain here seems apt, so GSJ it is. It looks like you've blocked him/her with a prior rangeblock, but they've slipped the bounds. I've greatly expanded the rangeblock to this; high traffic, but I could swear all of the edits are still the same troll. Lots of problems to clean up there, but can you scan and make sure this looks reasonable? I hate doing broad blocks like this, but the collateral damage seems trivial to none. Kuru (talk) 22:54, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

• Well it looks like your range is on target--OK those metaphors make no sense anymore. I reverted one change in that range that seemed reasonably reasonable to me but was in line with their other interests; I wonder if this is one user operating in different modes depending on the time of day or what they had for breakfast. Berean Hunter has an opinion, or old hands like DoRD and zzuuzz. BTW go back to 17 February, if you hadn't already, for a nice FUCK OFF addressed at you. AHA NOW I SEE what brings you here: they returned to Summer Glau, where I just scrubbed an ancient random remark from the talk page. Man for some people "race" is important, and all the while they totally miss the point. Drmies (talk) 01:35, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Yup, the Glau article is my canary-in-the-coal-mine here. I'm more impressed with the "SHITTTTO" comment, which seems like an awesome battle-cry. Kuru (talk) 15:45, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Is any of this unsourced WP:OR?

Just looking for another opinion on this; the user Foal Breeze has recently added a bit more they felt was missing from Phonograph record: [19] Do you think all/any of this needs to be sourced, or does it fall within the realm of simply explaining how records work? Thanks. Ss112 20:29, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

• Hmm--yeah, I do think some of that stuff needs a source. I don't think they're an L1 English speaker. I don't think I'm familiar with the master; they seem to be of some good will and I wonder what got them blocked. Anyway, Ss112, for anything related to records, you go to the source, to the expert, to the God--I'm talking about 78.26. Yo DJ--spin that wheel! Drmies (talk) 01:35, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Cryin' shame, this editor generally knows what they're talking about. Why sockpuppet? What a waste. The changes were to the lede, which is supposed to summarize important points in the article body, and therefore don't usually contain sources. Not all "record players" use electronic amplification, although certainly almost all made after 1940 do, so that statement was technically erroneous. The x/y-axis description of stereo reproduction is too detailed for the lede. I like the statement which contrasted the selling points of cylinders vs. discs, but that deserves further (sourced) explanation in the article body, and again doesn't really belong in the lede. In sum this was a good revert, sockpuppet or no sockpuppet.

Drmies' description of my knowledge base will stroke my ego for months to come, but when reality sets in I'll need to recognize several people I know who, regarding vintage phonographs and recordings, leave me an utter ignoramus by comparison. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 16:37, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for checking in, 78.26: I really do appreciate expert opinions, and you know what you're doing. If you ever visit me here in Alabama, I'll take you to see my buddy's studio; hopefully by then his 24-track 2" all analog setup will be working. It looks very impressive. Drmies (talk) 17:14, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Look

at Sandstein's talk, I could only revert. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:09, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

• Thanks--the indefatigable Widr beat me to it. Is there an SPI for that hater? Drmies (talk) 00:14, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

It's some tired troll who's been very active recently. Probably not worthy of any extra attention. Widr (talk) 00:22, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

• I don't believe in DENY to the extent that some do: these are also BLP concerns. And a few more of our fellow editors are being harassed tonight. Drmies (talk) 00:32, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Please keep an eye on Michael Hofstetter. I reverted, but am ot around all the time ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:30, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

• They weren't after you. Widr and Beeblebrox may know more, but if I had to guess I'd say it was a bot-like thing that simply followed recent changes. Drmies (talk) 17:42, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Another one who's been active recently. LTA maybe, not sure. Widr (talk) 17:44, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Of course not after me, but MH. He is accused to have hit a woman. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:47, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Don’t know what that was. I made a few edits to an article and next thing I know it got attacked, seemingly at random. Perhaps that file should be on the blacklist? Or not, they’ll just find another one. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:49, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Gerda, look at the other edits. They're not picking specific topics. Widr, perhaps you recall that bot a few months ago that jumped from one ghost IP to another, making as many vandalism edits as possible, mostly on random targets that were edited just before. Beeblebrox, the earlier ones didn't stick in a file; they just reverted recently made changes, as far as I remember, though they may have stuck something in as well. Drmies (talk) 21:37, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

I looked now. Many from the Main page, even an old opera, and especially persistant for Women Disobey. - Funny coincidence that it happened soon after someone added the hitting allegations. Women disobey ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:49, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, on the page I was editing on first it reverted me, then reverted itself, then reverted a few more times, then dick pic. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:51, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

See this, that's the same one, recurring every few months or so. Widr (talk) 21:54, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Yep. Or "yeet", as young people say. Drmies (talk) 22:00, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

The porn vandal, per this, is using ctm.net (Macau). The random reverts (most of which are disrupted by the edit filter) are the Derp vandal, who seems to be using zombie proxies. Home Lander (talk) 22:59, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

• Wait. Those dick pix, those count as "porn" now per zzuuzz? The times are changing. Then again, one time I sat in a French class at Alabama with a geology major who believed in that Young Earth stuff, and we got some Wikipedia editors that seem attracted to those beliefs as well, so nothing surprises me anymore. Drmies (talk) 00:47, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Personally, haven't seen it, don't wanna see it, don't know, don't care. Seedfeeder's artwork is enough. Home Lander (talk) 00:57, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
    • And sure enough, the bad images script no longer seems to work, so Drmies, can you delete this worthless page for me? Home Lander (talk) 01:11, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Sigh, new topic: Seokgyuhan, a well-meaning enthusiast keeps adding the detailed scoring to infoboxes of great choral works, has been reverted by me and others, + told on their talk to discuss, + there's is a central discussion on the infobox talk, but doesn't listen. Help? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:02, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

I was out today, and see that it possibly got worse, Martinevans counted to five. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:19, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Make that six, including a self revert! What on earth are they playing at?? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:38, 22 July 2018 (UTC) ... and now up to five over here??

And again something to look at, look for "box" (and "cleanup"). Background: We have new BWV numbers, sigh, on top of the old ones, apparently a reason to delete infoboxes, and accuse me of edit warring when I revert. Nikkimaria also reverted. It's all premature, if you ask me, and should have discussed before making ANY change. Just look, or also discuss on Classical music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:12, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

• I left a final warning for Seokgyuhan but can't look at Schonken's work--nor do I really want to... Drmies (talk) 18:07, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Understand, nor do I really want to. Please look at just one, and how BRD is mentioned by the one who reverted three times, and not only me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:33, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Now Handel please, see? I feel alone on Classical music, really hate to revert the same thing twice, fifth time in one week, sigh. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:59, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Today only a picture of a gentle-looking soprano (I took it) who can sing of the mute silence of happiness and also colotura fire, - please see video, 3 costumes, changed on stage (caution: don't look if you love Trump) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:00, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

• What video, Gerda? Drmies (talk) 17:19, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

I forgot the link, how silly ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:38, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Sarah Jeong DR

Hello, I have brought the unfruitful Sarah Jeong discussion to dispute resolution and am notifying you because you have commented on the Talk page since August 3. You can find a link here: Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Talk:Sarah_Jeong. All the best, Ikjbagl (talk) 12:06, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Trouting

WHACK!

This is for posting that "jam" link to Doug's talk page. That was painful to listen to, and I actually like mumble rap and dirty south. You should be ashamed of yourself. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 19:01, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Still on my to-listen list. —PaleoNeonate – 19:09, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

You are an odd man Mr. Pants, I appreciate that about you! PackMecEng (talk) 19:33, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Not as odd as Paleo, if they enjoys that "music". ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 19:37, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Be nice Pants, or I’ll add Jethro Tull to your metal list. O3000 (talk) 19:38, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

• eBay has "Alabama" as a written language, on a list between Akkadian and Albanian. Shouldn't this be "Alabamian", or does it go under another name? Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 19:48, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

• Clearly, neither you nor the programmers at eBay have ever been to Alabama, where I will -coincidentally- be travelling next week. It's called "Bama" and it's indecipherable to anyone who isn't possessed of a farmer's tan or a homemade still. Also I'm listening to Locomotive Breath as we speak, so these threats mean nothing to me. Muah ha ha!!! ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 19:55, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

• Xanthomelanoussprog, one of my linguistics students this summer wrote about that language--I'm grading those papers this weekend. User:MPants at work, drop me a line if you get close to the Heart of Dixie, by which I mean the capital. I can show you where to get the best hamburger in town, and everyone should see The National Memorial for Peace and Justice. Also, there's only one "Locomotive Breath", and that's this one. Seriously, let me know. There's a lot to see in Montgomery. You too, PackME. But if all y'all need jams, there's this, which apparently is homegrown. Not sure that lady in the kitchen has been in one of my classes. Drmies (talk) 00:13, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Can't be done without a flutist. A little Bonamassa/Anderson Locomotive. [20] O3000 (talk) 00:31, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Drmies, I'll be closer to Mobile for the main part of the trip, but we tend to make a mini-trip during these things, so I will assuredly send you an email if we decide to head towards M'gumry. I appreciate the offer. And your latest "jam" is much, much better than that last one, though I think the director of the video could benefit from a lesson in subtlety. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 15:57, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

The Little Nigar

1909 innocent? racism, The Little Nigar. Guess what, no article in French, but Dutch. I translated it, and then couldn't find a source for the stuff. Help? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:15, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

• ? It looks well-sourced to me... What am I missing? Drmies (talk) 14:14, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
• Used to sell dog food, used in his own La boîte à joujoux. Drmies (talk) 14:17, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank for the extra ;) - You are missing that - as a DYK veteran, I can make a thing look well-referenced by having sourced statements at the end of paras. BUT: the whole Wagner thing, which is the key topic in the Dutch article, looks so far like OR. Without it, it would be short for DYK (unless I take Scheytt's racism thing), but the ad will help ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:33, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Instead of OR, it could also be that the Dutch author confused two pieces, the Nigar and the Golliwogg's Cake-Walk, look at this. One blog says (2017): "According to Wikipedia, a Wagner melody is hidden ...". Not what I want to be guilty of. If I don't find anything soon I'll drop it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:49, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Here's something to add: Impressionism leaning towards pentatonic scale. De728631 (talk) 14:52, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

• Gerda, this reminds me: I thought of you last night, and meant to leave you a note, so here it is: chapter 55 of Seiobo There Below, one of the weirdest books I've read in the last few years, is of some interest to you, I believe. Drmies (talk) 14:57, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, will look into the book. - Nigar: I placed the Wagner where he belongs, in the other piece, which I now mention as similar, - I guess that's safe. Will look at the other additions, but later, - this is for Debussy's TFA day 22 August, while I am behind on some DYK for 11 August which has zero refs ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

• Oops: it's chapter 377. Sorry. Drmies (talk) 21:04, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

• DYK …that Debussy used to sell dog food? Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 16:51, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

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Civility

Not trying to be too picky, but I wanted to remind you that WP:NPA says "The prohibition against personal attacks applies equally to all Wikipedians. It is as unacceptable to attack a user with a history of foolish or boorish behavior, or one who has been blocked, banned, or otherwise sanctioned, as it is to attack any other user." meaning that you probably should not call vandals "swine" at you did when you blocked User:108.253.174.57. Tornado chaser (talk) 02:15, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

• You are being too picky. Given what that editor was trying to do I though "swine" was quite courteous. But thank you for chastising me on my talk page! I really enjoy being mansplained what I can and cannot do. *I'm getting too old for this* Drmies (talk) 02:19, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Define "mansplained" Tornado chaser (talk) 02:24, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)(talk page stalker) Google says it's explaining something in a condescending manner. SQL^{Query me!} 02:29, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Meh, who needs Google? We have an article on the subject. -- Euryalus (talk) 02:32, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Quoting the article, "explaining without regard to the fact that the explainee knows more than the explainer." A hypothetical example might be explaining basic Wikipedia policy to an active admin and former member of Arbcom. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 02:36, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Note "former". I don't envy those folks, by the way. I wonder if they're already done with the WW2 thing. Drmies (talk) 02:38, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I've been following that off and on, since it touches on a personal interest -- I've read both of Guderian's books, etc. My guess is that it's going to end up as a fairly standard conduct-based decision (X is blocked/banned for harassing Y, Y is admonished not to do what they did, and so on). Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 02:49, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Yep. -- Euryalus (talk) 12:02, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Given the tide of racist and conspiratorial nonsense that has been flowing in the past few days, along with editors trying to argue with a straight face that the Proud Boys are center-right (you know, like the Chamber of Commerce, only with violence, or maybe grumpy Rotarians), my patience for this stuff is scarce. We had a BNP member inciting violence against the WMF, and sealioning forum posts all over the place in the "it's not provably untrue vein." Prim tut-tutting for things that had to be oversighted is out of place. Acroterion (talk) 11:42, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Yes, antisemitism has been in vogue the last week or so and my (non-existent) patience for it is becoming even more non-existent. TonyBallioni (talk) 13:58, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

The logs that Tornado chaser signaled (I removed that while it was being worked on, per Streisand effect) were even worse than the edits. Plus, I just blocked another editor, edit-warring over a BLP, and another, and then placed an AE block (a short one) on an editor who edited an article on a racist segregationist to make him "extreme left wing", and inserted racist information based on unreliable sources. They are truly coming out of the woodwork; one wonders how the off-site coordination is, with flash courses on how to game the system. It's GamerGate 2.0, in part. Drmies (talk) 16:51, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

The only positive thing I can say is that it seems to be keeping the holocaust deniers busy with other things. That disruption, at least, has ticked down. Acroterion (talk) 17:00, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

"Speedy no consensus"

I don't think I've ever seen an AfD closed in that way before, but I believe it was the right call. XOR'easter (talk) 20:19, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

• I think I may have clicked "speedy" accidentally, but I've closed shit-storm-raising AfDs early before, yeah. ;) Thanks, Drmies (talk) 20:20, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
  • "Patience is a virtue, and virtue is a grace. And Grace is a naughty girl who doesn't wash her face"  :) —SerialNumber54129 ^{paranoia /cheap sh*t room} 20:45, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

Have a bite! Mona.N (talk) 03:29, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

• Oh I better make some coffee then. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 03:29, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

For with the baklava. Home Lander (talk) 03:32, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

• Ah that's very kind. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 03:47, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

A liqueur for you!

For after (or in) the coffee. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 03:57, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

• Man, I wish. You know what those cost in the US, Boris--it's not cool. No, I don't put that in coffee, just next to it, with one ice cube. But given my paycheck, and the lack of money pouring in from Intel and my other paid gigs for Wikipedia, I have to settle for Old Granddad these days. At least it's not Calvert Hill. Drmies (talk) 15:00, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

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MBlaze Lightning ^talk 18:06, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Copy?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/832745633

I misunderstand what she meant,Can you show me how to use the {{copy}} The Truth Thailand (talk) 04:14, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

• First of all, it's {{copied}}, not {{copy}}. Please see Template:Copied; the basic {{Copied|from=|from_oldid=|to=|diff=}} should be good enough for your purposes. Drmies (talk) 04:30, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Redirects

Regarding this, Boneless bananas is my favorite. I'm thinking NOTHERE. Home Lander (talk) 18:10, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

• Yep. Drmies (talk) 19:49, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Oh wait, more now. I think one of these two takes the cake. Home Lander (talk) 03:02, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
    • Oh no he didn't. Drmies (talk) 03:04, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
    • NOTHERE is a difficult call since they made a few decent edits; perhaps you can propose this at ANI. Drmies (talk) 03:06, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
      • Yeah I left a level 3 warning but if he keeps this up that's the way this is going. Home Lander (talk) 03:12, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
        • So you'd think Lowe's would have trademarked "poop stealing water chair" by now. John from Idegon (talk) 04:45, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
          • Why "chair"? "Stool" is more appropriate, and bona fide. I mean, who leans back when pooping? That's just gross. Drmies (talk) 15:02, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
            • Says "chair" on the signs. Probably a translation from the Chinese for "automatically flushing water closet". John Gregory Bourke would know. He's wearing gloves in the photo. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 15:13, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
              • I understand he's a Yankee. Drmies (talk) 15:33, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
              • "Excrementicious"? Is that even a word? Softlavender (talk) 17:22, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
                • "of or like excrement" apparently, as used by the Hoppo of Old Canton to describe opium. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 20:02, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
                  • Hmm now I want to go have some opium. In fact, I've had the desire to smoke some weed, but I'm just too lazy to go ahead and do something about it. Ah the good old days when HighInBC would light it up during secret admin meetings... Drmies (talk) 20:55, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
                  • "... which condemned in the strongest possible terms ..." (emphasis mine). Why does this remind me of a lot of responses on Wikipedia? "Strongest Possible Oppose". Or, to quote Demi Moore in A Few Good Men, "I STRENUOUSLY Object". Softlavender (talk) 00:45, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
                    • How Collecting Opium Antiques Turned Me Into an Opium Addict. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 04:07, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
                      • Ha, thanks. OK, I guess I won't. Drmies (talk) 04:37, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
                      • Cool article, bro. It has a freakin body count, though. Don't start collecting things, people, it can be hazardous to your health. Softlavender (talk) 05:06, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
                        • It also splains why the British were dumping opium in China, which I hadn't understood till now, so thanks for that. Softlavender (talk) 05:12, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
                  • Maybe it just means shitty. Softlavender (talk) 05:22, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Hmm....

Something to see:-)∯WBG^converse 05:22, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

104.244.225.237

Just a heads up but this IP [21] is a clear sock of User:Jeffman12345. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:27, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

• Yeah I saw. The other admins and I are really afraid of this terrible danger. Haha, thanks, Drmies (talk) 02:28, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Dalida pls be kind

Hey Drmies I like u and u seem like a teenager lol.. I saw what did u removed and I agree with cleanup of "tributes", but just don't be cruel and say that I have to stop editing her page (u said "fan has to stop editing..."), if that was ment on me. Second, I want to make Dalida article featured so can you at least help and return some of text from early life.. I just realized that it looked like a damn fairytale but it actually had some good facts that you removed... what now? Dalida Editor _{please ping or message me}' 00:52, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

• Don't talk to me like that: this is not the internet. There is no chance in hell of that article becoming a Featured Article with that text. Drmies (talk) 00:54, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Ofcourse, I don't know why but your page leaves impression of teenager, sorry. And regarding the article it is obvious that it can't be featured right now. It has to be improved, but you deleted some fscts and wrote false ones. I am going to change it right now but you could at least watch out; she didn't represented Egypt on Miss World 1955. Dalida Editor _{please ping or message me}' 00:59, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

That's odd, considering what the article said: "Iolanda won the title Miss Egypt 1954 and automatically became the representative of Egypt on Miss World 1955 in London". Ah, now I see it: buried in the middle of the next paragraph, hidden beneath chit-chat about contracts and hesitations, it says "Eventually, Egypt didn't even attend Miss World 1955". So there's some writing advice for you. Drmies (talk) 01:03, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Uh you are good, just as that citation at the top of this page says. Thanks for the tip, I will folow it and when I'm finished I'll notice you. Meanwhile please do something with that 'persona' who is trying to change "French singer" hah. Dalida Editor _{please ping or message me}' 01:37, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

DalidaEditor, I'm not sure what is wrong with this edit, besides the silly edit summary. Was she not born in Egypt? Drmies (talk) 02:20, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

• What's the name of that awful present tense some of the article's written in? Last time I am reading a big wodge of that is in a book by Dan Cruikshank- "I'm floating down the canal in a gondola, looking up at the Rialto bridge".

I don't know, as I'm not native english speaker, I'm doing my best... fixing the text is left for native speakers.Dalida Editor _{please ping or message me}' 11:07, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

• You're doing well- I think the tense might be 'simple present passive'. Whatever it is, Cruikshank's book was rendered unreadable by his two subeditors (unless he actually writes like that). Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 11:22, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

For God's sake let Dan Cruikshank write like he wants to write. Don't pin it on his subeditors. Softlavender (talk) 12:39, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

You've NOT got mail

Hey all--two editors apparently emailed me, according to my notifications, yet I received nothing. I checked my junk folder etc., and I changed nothing at all in years, yet no email. I don't see anything mentioned on VPP either. Any of you know something? I'm getting regular emails including my regular spam, so I'm pretty sure there's nothing on my end. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 21:15, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

One was likely mine. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:26, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

• I know but I wasn't going to betray confidences. :) You have my email address, don't you? Or we could meet at the park tonight, by the old fountain. Drmies (talk) 21:29, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Wasn't me. -Roxy, the dog. barcus 21:28, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

I know. The notifications say who it is, and what their first name is. Drmies (talk) 21:29, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Would you like some UK spam? -- yours, kindly awaiting prompt bank transfer, Solomon Odonka 123 (Send money to my account in Nigeria) 21:00, 8 August 2018 (UTC) ....never mind

Martin, I thought that was you, but then no videos were linked and I was unsure, but you saved it in the end. BTW de Volkskrant had a piece the other day, "what happens when you respond". They interviewed a dude who'd lost thousands of Euros on various scams, including an inheritance he is convinced will pay off. Unbelievable. It's like QAnon. Drmies (talk) 22:44, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Yes, sorry that a TED video is not even borderline copyvio (?) Martinevans123 (talk) 22:48, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Ha! Drmies (talk) 23:08, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

• OK, it is on my end: we got no email from outside the university system. Sorry. In the meantime, email Ritchie333 will your problems. Drmies (talk) 23:07, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Last thing in my inbox is some email from Stack Overflow about a change in code in conduct, which includes "Be kind and avoid sarcasm - tone is hard to decipher online." Well d'uuuuh. After that I've got about 7 different people talking about some RfA that just closed. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:12, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Oh it closed... Y, still no external email here. Sorry. Drmies (talk) 23:55, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

• Massive amounts of my spam for the past 4 months have been about Shark Week, and I have absolutely no idea why. I barely even know what Shark Week is. (The latter may have something to do with not owning a TV.) Softlavender (talk) 00:18, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
  • It's the opposite of green week. Drmies (talk) 00:28, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

On a bulletin board I was a regular on about 25 years ago, the term "shark" meant "go to a pub and chat up women" (broadly construed). So based on that, I've got a different definition for "shark week". Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:37, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

• Honest to God I thought Shark Week was Shark Tank (which I'd actually heard of, vaguely). Also, so that Ritchie does not feel left out, you have your own article as well, poor sods. (It was listed in Shark (disambiguation)#Other uses.) Softlavender (talk) 01:17, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

I guess I'm an admin shark - someone who determinedly and repeatedly attempts to convince people to become admins ;-) Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:50, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

And email is back up: thanks to the other user for their email. I'm on it, though not right now. Drmies (talk) 02:18, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

You don't want spam... you want bacn !! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:56, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Fixing wikilink: bacn. Great, another bullshit internet word. And people are going to argue about how to pronounce it endlessly, just like jiffy gifs. Softlavender (talk) 14:27, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

File:Spam can.png

"A .png of non-bacn for you"

At least with the BBC you get a useful graphic. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:32, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Because it's not like anyone knows what Spam was, least of all Baby Boomers. -- Softlavender (talk) 14:49, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

"WAS"??! How very porky dare you!! Martinevans123 (talk) 14:57, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

bacn..'email you want but not right now..' FFS.. Oh by the way, Inspector Knacker, there's a piece on the BBC website about Sid James. They found his last interview, made just a couple of days before he died. Could you check it out 'cos my XP can't handle flashplayer anymore. Might be something of note he said in it that might add to the article. Love you mmmwwahh. Irondome (talk) 15:01, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

"I'll try and give it a good going over, matron. Oooo errr....." Doctor Prodd 23 (talk) 15:07, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Listen honeybabe, I live in the fucking Spam Capital of the World [22], [23], [24], where they put Spam in and on everything, when they are not eating it straight. So don't you dare lecture me on Spam. Softlavender (talk) 15:05, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank You

I just wanted to send you a note of thanks for your great work, and I apologize if I've been any trouble. If so, it was not intentional and I didn't mean to waste your time (I can imagine being a Wiki Admin is a mountain of work). --AlexOvShaolin 15:22, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Craunch time

	The marmoset is being craunched
	It was a tradition that is already known; the craunching of the marmosets Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 10:46, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Believe it or not, this photo isn't staged. All I had to do was move the Emerton book sideways.

File:Cigarette Pack (25512191193).jpg

My hovercraft is full of eels.
Warning: Eels can cause a slow and painful death

• What's "craunching"? Is it biting the umbilical cord? Drmies (talk) 15:07, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

English As She Is Spoke innit? Irondome (talk) 15:15, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

All your marmoset are belong to us. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:20, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

I have mind to vomit. Irondome (talk) 15:23, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

And I know well who I have to make. (How did I live without knowing English As She Is Spoke? Yet another great discovery through this thing of ours.) Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 15:36, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Ohhhh that pic gave me a sudden attack of future shock. The future is here, and it involves bacn. I am having Spam tonight for din din. I will have it with mash and a tin of marrowfat peas. To it I add mustard and ketchup. It is very nice. I may livestream it. At least my phone works. Irondome (talk) 15:57, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

If that census guy comes round again and tries to test you, I trust you'll swap the marrowfats for some fava beans? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:16, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

• Only if the tin says Batchelors Bigga fava beans, No.1 in UK (not a lot of people know that) and it says it is 1 of my 5 A Day. Then I will. Did the 'very nice' trigger thoughts in your fertile brainbox of the From hell letter? Irondome (talk) 16:29, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

• Hope you enjoy that ketchup. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:31, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Ivanvector Superb! Irondome (talk) 16:12, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Move Elsewhere

Thanks for tallying the move elsewhere votes. It seems that the picture hasn't been added to the Trial[25] section of the wikipage as the vote seems to indicate (the most intuitive section to "move" to). Since the page is locked, how would I go about adding this (the clearest photo of his face on the wiki). --AlexOvShaolin 20:11, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

• Hey Alex--I think everything will have to wait for that one discussion to close. No admin will do this in response to an edit request as long as the discussion is ongoing. As far as I'm concerned there is a consensus for one thing, but like SarekOfVulcan, it's my own thing also so I can't act on it. I don't know if there's been more comments since BullRangifer's last remark, but the moment there are, and the moment there appears to be a strong consensus (again, I'm convinced that what Sarek and I and others propose will win the field simply because it makes the most sense and is consistent with policy), an admin can close it. What you can do to speed this along is place a note on WP:AN and ask for an admin to come by and have a look at it, or to implement the consensus as you see it (which is apparently how Sarek, I, and others see it). Good luck, Drmies (talk) 00:15, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

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A Dutch-Jewish gentleman's article we co-operated on

Hi Dr. The spam dinner hit the spot. Now i'm having a pre-bed Perla Mocha. A great beer! Before I crash, can you remember the name of a very interesting Dutch-Jewish chap's article that we worked on together about 18 months ago? For the life of me I can't remember his name, although it was a fascinating story. I just wonder if it can be improved further, maybe to GA. I recall it was a pleasure working with you on that, although you did most of the heavy lifting in translation sources etc. Irondome (talk) 02:24, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Hmm. I worked on a few articles about gay and gay Jewish victims of Nazi persecution in WW2--does that sound familiar? Can you give me an idea of the historical era? Hmm--the Polish Perla? I remember coining the word "pivoteren" (in Dutch, of course) while in Chzech. Or perhaps it was in the last year that it was still two countries for the price (and currency) of one, haha! Cheers, Drmies (talk) 02:32, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Browary Lubelskie that's the brew origin. Get the trivial stuff out the way first!. Unsure about the gay aspect, although it might have been a point. This fellow I think was a journalist and co-produced publications in the Netherlands prior to the occupation and post-war, was a pre-war Zionist. He was very aware of the existential danger to European Jewry as far back as 33, and warned in his writings and to German Jewish friends. He had a German Jewish friend who was murdered by the Nazis I think as early as 1934 and this hugely alerted him. He was shocked by the attitude of his German-Jewish friends in that they were in no physical danger. I think he went to an extermination camp and survived. Something about teaching in the camp? After the war made Aliya to Israel but returned. He was strongly philosophical, and his experiences made him question the existence of God. Holocaust theology I recall came into it. I think he may have moved back to the Netherlands. It was a fascinating story. Irondome (talk) 02:43, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Oh that's probably Abel Herzberg? His Drie rode rozen is mandatory reading for everyone. Drmies (talk) 02:51, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

That's him! You think this is GA material Dr? He stuck in my mind..Irondome (talk) 02:59, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Well sure, and he deserves it. Now, the problem of course is that all the sourcing will be in Dutch, though there might be some in Hebrew, and there's a few notes (of the "World Lit" kind, I believe) in English. I believe that Dutch digital library has a ton of material. So there are challenges, but it's already a moderately decent article, so sure. Yeah, we can get on that. Drmies (talk) 03:02, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Lets do it! Bolter21 is a great guy and a native Hebrew speaker, although he is doing his IDF training at the moment. I think you know a bit of Dutch ha!. I'm happy to c/e and generally gnome it out. It would be a cool addition and well deserved to a fine subject. His daughter's article also could be expanded. Irondome (talk) 03:08, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

I managed to find only a single article from Yisrael HaYom in Hebrew about Herzberg. Not a big fan of that newspaper, but the author of that article writes to all kinds of newspapers, so it seems fine. Here's the article. I don't know if I'll find time to work on that. I am currently in Squad leader course, which gives me only two days of vacation every week, and the first day begins at 4 A.M. because of the long ride from Eilat to my home in Tel Aviv, so my patience is very low on Friday, and Saturday is preserved mostly for friends and family.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 12:23, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Wait. Irondome, you have a Polish connection? Bolter, Tel Aviv? You two are here together on my talk page, a person who happens to be one of the editors of the article Killing the Second Dog. Coincidence? Drmies (talk) 14:42, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Long story Dr :) All my mothers side hailed from a vast swathe of central Europe, the Austro-hungarian empire and I suppose what is now Poland, and even bits of former Russia. But we got the hell out en-masse in the late 19th century and ended up in the U.K and the U.S and I think we have branches of the family in Australia, S.A. and Israel. I like to think we didn't leave anyone behind before 39. I think of that a lot. I'm an Adler, and I think some of us made good in the arts in the U.S. I just drink Polish beer a lot. Quality stuff. Oranjeboom Brewery export 8.5% is also starting to turn up a lot in London and that is an awesome brew too. I met Bolter (Stav) on here. A straight-talking guy who has done great work. Those novels look cool. I must check them out. Simon Irondome (talk) 15:01, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

My great-grandfather hailed from Łomża.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 15:21, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Thumbs

Rarely or never? I hadn't thought about it before, but I suspect that right-handed folk use their right thumb and left-handed their left. Of course, if you're left-handed, my theory is crap.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:10, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

One of Denmark's finest doctors ...

You won't find this in Denmark.

We are truly blessed: [26]. -- Softlavender (talk) 06:33, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

• Gout? I'll have you know I'm one of the Netherlands' finest doctors, though gout is not my specialty. I diagnose beer and cheese, mostly. That Favonian dude is questionable, I agree with that part. Drmies (talk) 14:44, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

I think Favonian keeps himself genitive. Although I agree that Favonius is vocative, to say the least. Favonne may be questionable though... —SerialNumber54129 ^{paranoia /cheap sh*t room} 14:56, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Favonian is a luxury animal, as opposed to a simple work horse like me. I have no opinion on his case, and I prefer to stay off of it. Drmies (talk) 14:58, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

OK, well, that's fine. I just thought a second opinion might be in order. Every patient is entitled to that. Softlavender (talk) 15:18, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

​​The things I have to put up with! Firstly, some troll has to ponder for nearly two years, only to come up with a crude attempt a usurping my title as Denmark's finest doctor. Secondly, "genitive"?! Are you accusing me of being possessive? Don't be surprised if your serial number starts counting down to zero! Thirdly, "luxury animal"?! I'm an old (white) nag, stoically awaiting my #cancellation. Harrumph! Favonian (talk) 16:51, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

• UR CTUALLY A DOCTOR
• ?????????????????????

Yes (and not in the care and feeding of leeches), but until now I've been a good Dane and kept mum about it. Favonian (talk) 16:59, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Personally, I think you're a great Dane.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:11, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, B! According to my American friends, this means I'm rude, crude and obnoxious, but, hey, I embrace it! Favonian (talk) 17:17, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Think somebody needs a cookie...

...or maybe, their talk access revoked. Home Lander (talk) 01:09, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

• Ha thanks. My daughter was not impressed with that user name; she thought it unoriginal. Drmies (talk) 01:11, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/German war effort closed

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For clarification

Once you've reached a conclusion about someone or something, it's a judgment (see def #2 in the dictionary), and while, technically, you may not be sitting as a judge, you are sitting in a position of influence, so when you attempt to persuade others to draw the same conclusion as your own, you are passing judgment - be it right or wrong. Have a wonderful day. ^{Atsme📞📧} 18:12, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

• Well thanks for the lesson. So all those other editors were passing judgment too, and the Arbs are like metajudges. Drmies (talk) 22:35, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
• #2: "The fact of possessing this ability ["The ability to make considered decisions or to arrive at reasonable conclusions or opinions on the basis of the available information; the critical faculty; discernment, discrimination."] to a high degree or in a sophisticated form; discretion, good sense, wisdom." OK, that I'll take that. Drmies (talk) 22:39, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Excellent example of cherrypicking a RS (out of about 349,000,000 possibilities) because it agrees with your POV. 😂 Yes, Drmies, it's called passing judgment. What did you think you were doing? You were sitting in judgment of someone you don't really know. The arbs take all those judgments into consideration, form their own conclusions, and hand down a final judgment as you well know. Romans 2:1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things." Now throw in the Golden Rule and that's what I consider a high degree of good sense and wisdom because it's based on fundamental principles that have withstood the test of time. You do realize that I'm older than you, right? I'm at that point in life where I've stopped lying about my age and started bragging about it. Class dismissed. 😊 ^{Atsme📞📧} 04:45, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Antifa (Department of Homeland Securities)

Drmies, Let's discuss your opposition to fact:

The United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS) declared the activities of antifa as “domestic terrorist violence” in 2017. https://www.newsweek.com/are-antifa-terrorists-658396

I am open to your feedback and would like to come to an amicable solution. I've noted that you've come into opposition to all my research. No one editor is the owner of an article. As a reminder “ If you make an enforcement request or comment on a request, your own conduct may be examined as well, and you may be sanctioned for it.” Other kind reminders include:

WP:Overzealous deletion

WP:TENDENTIOUS

WP:BULLY

WP:POV railroad

WP:Civility

SDSU-Prepper (talk) 04:22, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) In no source you have cited is there support for your statement that The principal feature of antifa groups is their acts of domestic terrorism. As you cannot source that claim, it cannot be included in Wikipedia. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 04:30, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

NBSB, sometimes I get tired of the gaslighting, and I love being reminded of policy by someone with 68 article edits, all of which are...well, we know that they are. Prepper, I invite scrutiny; you may argue your case at ANI. But if you're so well-versed in policy, can you verse yourself in formatting too? And I don't mean just the inept ref tags, the bare URL, the reference in the wrong place, but also this line spacing. And if you want me to look up what a bully I am, dude put some wikilink brackets around it... Drmies (talk) 04:40, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

• Ooooh SDSU-Prepper, that's right--this is how you got started here. Your ridiculous claims (about the segregationist's "radical left-wing ideas") are never verified in the article, and like Faubus's opponents you're engaged in "efforts to paint the candidate as a communist sympathizer"--because he went to that one school. Guess what. I work for Auburn and I'm still a Tide fan. Besides, the prose that you inserted in the lede there is awful--"As a result of Faubus, there was undue stress regarding their integration....the truth eventually prevailed about Faubus and desegregation won. After the 1965 Voting Act, which made it easier for African Americans to vote, Faubus political career came to an end." It is understandable that early edits on Wikipedia often fail to recognize that this is not Freshman Comp, and that we're not writing argumentative essays here, but I do wonder if you can get away from argumentative editorializing. MrDemeanour, I appreciate your good work, but this just needs to be reverted. Drmies (talk) 04:51, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. I'm new to the subject and to the article; I didn't want to blow away a big chunk of the article.

I see that Prepper has now been perma-banned. WP:NOTHERE seems to apply. He also seems to be pretty short on clues about both politics and US history. MrDemeanour (talk) 09:55, 11 August 2018 (UTC)