Talk:Tupac Shakur/Archive 6

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Backwards Bandanna?

I think it should me mentioned somewhere in the article. He popularised it, and people identify it with him.He lived in the hood and he iz comin back in 2014 black pride --Trevorrrj (talk) 17:43, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Picture

We need one.--Louis Taylor (talk) 18:37, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Is that the only picture of Pac available?? Please change it as it is really weak for a man such as Pac.

Really Poorly Written

The entire article reads as if it were written by 12 year-olds. I'm amazed that someone as well-known as Shakur has a wiki article of such low quality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonny Quick (talk • contribs) 07:04, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Ameen Said Actually a few of us got together and spent nearly 4 weeks completely rewriting this article from scratch about 3 years ago. Our goal was to get this article up to FA status, which we actually almost achieved. We verified all sources in the article, added new verifiable sources where appropriate, wiped off all the fan-boy slobber, reorganized and rewrote large portions using proper spelling, grammar and punctuation, and just generally got the article up to a decent level of quality. A week later it was destroyed again with a huge influx of unverifiable claims, conspiracy theories, and it was completely soaked in fan-boy slobber. Trying to fix this article is a serious losing battle--it's a constant tug-of-war between writers who want to gather quality verifiable information, conspiracy theorists, rabid fans. My favorites are the people who "heard something from cousin Pookie and 'em", but can't be bothered to find a verifiable source :) SqlPac (talk) 06:37, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm really glad I read the above before committing any significant time - it looked like a good challenge, as I had exactly the same impression - really poorly written from beginning to end, and the man deserves much better. But if a group spent a month getting it up to "Good Article" quality, only to watch it go down in flames in a week, I won't waste my time. It's a shame, the man does deserve a much better-quality article, and there really doesn't appear to be a definitive impartial article anywhere in existence.

Is there a way to protect the article at a higher level, or simply revert any changes that aren't properly sourced? If that could happen, I'd definitely have a go at it.DoctorJoeE (talk) 15:01, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Per'd, also what the hell is up with the pic? What happened to the other one? It was WAY better, and suited the infobox better. Yoshi 7 (talk)

Why isn't there a picture as good as Biggie's page? This is stupid. Get that statue out of there!

yeh i dont understand why people would want the first picture in the article to be a bronze statue rather then a clear picture of the man —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.214.60.207 (talk) 17:06, 8 November 2009 (UTC) A new Picture is SEVERELY NEEDED.PLEASE changr the picture of this great man and put a better one! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.27.151.53 (talk) 17:07, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

News articles to use as sources

CNN has:

• Rapper dies after last week's shooting and...
• Shakur was target of shooting, police say

Both news articles are from 1996 and are about Tupac Shakur's death. WhisperToMe (talk) 15:45, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Killuminati explanation

It should be noted, either in discussion of the Makavelli: Don Killuminati album are, the section on his incarceration referencing his reading The Prince, or in his Influences section - that he was greatly influenced in his latter time of his career by learning from inmates about the Illuminati. The Vibe Interview Lost Footage shows 2Pac's own mouth saying why he added the K on it because "I'm killing that [expletive]." This influenced him enough to create an entire album around the theme, and is a re-occurring them in his music. People should know what properly influenced 2Pac's words, actions, and fate. Time and source for the interview would help this argument.

It seems to be a bit unclear on how serious 2pac took the subject of Illuminati, but what is very clear is that he saw how serious many of his peers took it, and in response he manifested an alternative concept for people to rally around and develop for the sake of self esteem.$indbad (talk) 08:09, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Death

Tupac died *7* days after the drive by shooting. Not 6. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.161.126.27 (talk • contribs) 02:34, 31 January 2010

Do you have any references? Wouldn't the 13th be 6 days after the 7th? Gimmetrow 02:41, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I can't imagine there will be much debate over this, but can we change "ventilator and respirator" to "ventilator," since those are two names (the latter of them less accurate) for the same thing? 146.203.126.119 (talk) 01:33, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Religion

Tupac seemed to be a philosophical individual. I thought he might be a Muslim, and heard this mentioned in his music. Most biographical articles mention a religous background. This may help draw more pieces together about him, and give a more full encyclopedic entry if his faith upbriging is mentioned. After all many of his pieces speak poetically about god, life, and death. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.64.176.126 (talk) 04:30, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

2pac has been called a latent Muslim. The term Diest would probally be appropriate too. His father Mutulu Shakur is Muslim as many of his elders in the Black Power Movement adopted the faith in lieu of thier revolutionary tendicies. $indbad (talk) 08:03, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

"Sightings"/Conspiracies

I know some may consider it vulgar, but shouldn't there be some mention of all of the conpsiracy theories surrounding his death; there must be coniderable amount of documentation. I'm not saying I agree with it, but I am saying it's interesting, and there should be sufficient documentation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.237.8.197 (talk) 00:21, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

I agree. The allegations regarding Shakur faking his death are were prevalent enough in the mainstream media, and speculation was provided by notable figures such as Chuck D. 91.216.105.21 (talk) 10:49, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

I also agree. Leaving out the speculations by the main stream media and his contemporaries of a conspiracy but including the Rolling Stone raking of one of the best selling dead artists with much about his posthumous success delimitates the discussion and resources that attribute some of that success to the large fanbase and followers that report his albums and lyrics contain 'coded' messages of his existence. This controversy is a significant component in his career history, posthumous success and is often the specific topic in reference when in pop culture. Moreover, the controversy that surrounds the marketing of his posthumous releases as a deliberate campaign to exploit and further this theory cannot be properly addressed or understood without this subject being broached. What is the reason for it's omittance? 173.6.26.210 (talk) 16:13, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Jimenez209, 24 April 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Tupac sold over 37.5 records according to the guiness book of world records published a few years ago. His album sales surpassed the 75 million mark. I feel it is unjust to display a lower number of sales, he should be rewarded for his work, for his sales, and for his legacy, I request an edit to this please, it would only be correct. Jimenez209 (talk) 08:20, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

If you could supply us with details - the full title of the book, the date of publication or edition number, the ISBN, publisher, and anything else that might help us track it down - then we may be able to help. If you can supply these details, please reinstate the request. I cannot make the edit for now, without a clearer source. We might have to check the figure too; figures published by reliable sources may need to be verified with certification databases to avoid inflated figures - often a problem with record sales. I can't make the edit, for now; sorry.  Chzz  ►  11:08, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

 Not done

Name

Why is it that in parts of the article we refer to Tupac as "2Pac" and other parts we refer to Tupac as "Shakur"

This article lacks consistency. Refer to him as "Shakur" or "2Pac" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.166.218.254 (talk) 02:30, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 82.10.8.231, 21 May 2010

{{editsemiprotected}}

tupac amaru shakur was born lasane parish crooks.

82.10.8.231 (talk) 22:05, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

 Not done please re-add this request if reliable sources can be supplied to verify this. Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 00:12, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 82.10.8.231, 21 May 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Tupac's first stage name was MC New York. edit by Danny in Scotland 82.10.8.231 (talk) 22:14, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

 Not done please re-add this request if reliable sources can be supplied to verify this. Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 00:12, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 68.54.122.42, 22 May 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} born june 16 1971-present 68.54.122.42 (talk) 02:11, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

He's dead. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 04:10, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 174.55.164.38, 16 June 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} He live in Newark, NJ and Baltimore, MD Moved to Cali from Baltimore at the age of 17

174.55.164.38 (talk) 15:56, 16 June 2010 (UTC) Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. SpigotMap 15:58, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Pending changes

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Please update the Queue page as appropriate.

Note that I am not involved in this project any much more than any other editor, just posting these notes since it is quite a big change, potentially

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Where are the editors (part deux)

Why does it seem like the editors of this page ignore everyone who asks a question? Grow up, don't be angry, help us make this page better and more informative

Besides ignoring most of the queries in this section, someone also deleted the question I asked above. I think it's relevant, it's weird that it was deleted, and it's weirder that most of the questions asked are still being ignored. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.237.8.197 (talk) 05:56, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Your edit was removed as being pointless. Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities would be a good place to ask questions about the subject. However, I have added a search box to the Talk archive at the top to help find previous questions and discussions. Here is a copy of the talk header for guidance as to what this talk page is for.

-84user (talk) 18:29, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

The women

According to the article at 11:10 pm they stopped at a red light and the shooting happened at 11:15? It was red for 5 minutes? I would also like to point out the improbability of the existence of the car with the girls. Although it would indeed be worthy to a man of his profile to be chatting up girls right before his death there is no proof it's happened that way. According to reference, the information was taken from the site Thugz-Network.com and no matter how hard I'm looking at it, it does not seem to be a valid source. I admit if I were to make a movie about his death I would put the girls in, but I don't think that is how it happened. No other sources indicate the existence of the girls. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Q Plung (talk • contribs) 16:09, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, there was an episode of the event on America's Most Wanted. Maybe we could use that. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 01:39, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Racial egalitarianism

I have removed this statement. The source (questionable as WP:RS anyway) says nothing about Mr. Shakur's music promoting racial egalitarianism.Mk5384 (talk) 07:51, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from CaptainMalarkey, 29 June 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} The link for the greatest hits album clicks through to the meaning of greatest hits and not to the album. The link should be

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greatest_Hits_(2Pac_album)

Thanks.

CaptainMalarkey (talk) 15:28, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

 Fixed CTJF83 chat 18:10, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Discography

I have added albums, Thug Life and Still i Rise on to the main page as they are albums not compilations featuring mostly Tupac. Also added Resurrection as it contains original songs as well as being a soundtrack. I think it should be added so that when on the Tupac Discography page you can see all of the different categories such as solo, collaboration and compilation. ClaudioProductions (talk) 19:42, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Birth name

it was Lesane Parish Crooks, later changed to Tupac Amaru Shakur —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.49.91.204 (talk) 17:13, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 69.136.103.9, 8 July 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Tupac was convicted of "innapropriate touching" and also, the police department settled and paid shakur for beating him for jaywalking. also, there is no citation for the fake story about the kid getting shot. and, the two off duty drunk cops that got shot were harrasing a black motorist. thats why the charges were dropped. this whole page is made to hurt tupac's legacy. i can go on and on about the mistakes.

69.136.103.9 (talk) 07:34, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Salvio ( ^{Let's talk 'bout it!}) 10:30, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

legal history conflicts with itself

The shooting of the six year old is mentioned twice. The first time, it's listed as a stray bullet after someone dropped a gun and then Mopreme fired into the crowd. The article first says that this bullet killed him. The second time when discussing the wrongful death suit, the article against describes the shooting, but attributes it to a fight between Tupac's entourage and a rival group, and then says that ballistics show it wasn't even the bullet from that gun. Which is it? Whatever the truth is, the wrongful death suit and the shooting should all be discussed in the same paragraph, but it's not. 68.173.64.65 (talk) 00:11, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I was just going to comment on this same issue. It's been more than two months since this was posted. Why isn't anybody doing anything about this? Neutralityisimportant (talk) 05:35, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Move requests

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv (talk) 03:07, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

2Pac → Tupac Shakur — Since the article itself is called like that and all the categories, the specific songs should be named like this as well. In one case, I have changed "single" to "song" because that's common. I put it here because it's all related to 2Pac/Tupac Shakur and I think that interested people or wikiprojects will more likely see it here rather than on all the album articles. The Evil IP address (talk) 11:17, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• I Get Around (2Pac song) → I Get Around (Tupac Shakur song)
• Life Goes On (2Pac song) → Life Goes On (Tupac Shakur song)
• Still Ballin' (2Pac single) → Still Ballin' (Tupac Shakur song)
• Trapped (2Pac song) → Trapped (Tupac Shakur song)
• Unconditional Love (2Pac song) → Unconditional Love (Tupac Shakur song)
• Until the End of Time (2Pac song) → Until the End of Time (Tupac Shakur song)
• Untouchable (2Pac song) → Untouchable (Tupac Shakur song)
• Wanted Dead or Alive (2Pac song) → Wanted Dead or Alive (Tupac Shakur song)
• Changes (2Pac song) → Changes (Tupac Shakur song)

• Support these should've been done a long time ago. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 16:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
• Support Long overdue. Skinsmoke (talk) 21:56, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose Um, are you kidding me? That's a little too wordy. How about I Get Around (2Pac song) → I Get Around (Tupac song) etc? --WikiDonn (talk) 18:32, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

External links

• 2Pac Legacy (Official website)
• Tupac Amaru Shakur Foundation for the Arts
• Tupac Legacy Tour
• Tupac Shakur/Archive 6 at IMDb
• Online catalog of Shakur's personal library from his apartment at the time of his death, online at LibraryThing

|} 2Pac 1 (talk) 12:33, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Salvio ( ^{Let's talk 'bout it!}) 17:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

he sold 75 mio. albums to 2006 but now we are in 2010 and now he has more than 120 mio. ! can somebody edit that and put it on wikepedia on Tupac Shakur ? please

and a picture of him would be also nice......and he is even more sucessfuller than eminem or anybody else —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2Pac 1 (talk • contribs) 17:41, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Album Sales

Tupac Shakur has sold 75 million Albums from 1996 to 2006.

But yet from 1996 to 2010 He has more than 120 million.

Please change that in the Wikepedia Article of Tupac Shakur.

And a Picture of Tupac would be also fine becouse he is a famous person in the Musik Industrie but he has no Picture! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2Pac 1 (talk • contribs) 17:46, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Awkwardx3, 21 July 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Please change the age of death on Tupac Shakur. It gives me "Died: September 1996 (age 13)" while he actually was 25. |Died = September 13, 1996 (1996-09-13) Awkwardx3 (talk) 12:48, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Done Dabomb87 (talk) 14:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Albums

Pleas change the Album sales from 75 million albums to 120 million albums. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2Pac 1 (talk • contribs) 22:21, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 86.150.147.24, 1 August 2010

{{editsemiprotected}}

One of the Kings of rap 86.150.147.24 (talk) 15:16, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. --ANowlin: talk 15:49, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Ok, once again !

Change the sentence : ,, Shakur has sold over 75 million albums worldwide to ,, Shakur has sold over 120 million albums worldwide !

PLEASE & PLEASE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2Pac 1 (talk • contribs) 17:13, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Redundancy under "Legal Trouble"

The topic of Qa'id Walker-Teal's death and the civil suit filed against Tupac is twice mentioned in almost exactly the same way under Legal Trouble. The second mention provides a less detailed account and should be removed. Xprivate eyex (talk) 11:11, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Marin City manslaughter

The Marin City shooting summary is, IMO, not NPOV. As currently written, it says "Someone picked up the gun and a bullet dislodged." A bullet doesn't dislodge by itself....it is fired. This gun was actively fired 3 times. From the source listed: "By that sunny August afternoon in 1992, Shakur was well into the profitable role of gangsta, even one who fumbled and lost his gun during an argument. "Get the gun!" Shakur shouted to half-brother Maurice Harding. Harding, the police would say, fired three to six times. No one in the immediate crowd was hit. "The boy was 100 yards away," said Small."

It is oddly worded as is, and done so IMO in order to take blame away from Tupac and his friends. A young boy lost his life due to reckless shooting of a gun, and now it is worded to sound like the gun went off once, accidentally. Agree/disagree? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.56.205.8 (talk) 00:40, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

About 2Pac

There are videos on YouTube saying 2Pac is coming back in 2014 and some people think that 2Pac is still alive and he was with Rihanna, 50 Cent, and Beyonce in pictures on YouTube. Wayne Olajuwon chat 01:14, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

All fancruft, Speculation, or made up stuff. Plus those photos were all oviously photo shopped. Red Flag on the Right Side 01:31, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

And they said that they are 100% serious that he's alive and that's why those pictures look so real. Wayne Olajuwon chat 01:45, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Well we definatly cant use claims from random ass YouTubers as reliable sources, can we? Red Flag on the Right Side 01:50, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

You can't trust these Youtube users and these sources may not be very notable. Wayne Olajuwon chat 14:04, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Then why did you bring it up? Red Flag on the Right Side 22:50, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Because people believe all of this stuff. Wayne Olajuwon chat 01:32, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 92.9.61.251, 16 September 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} on his birth name it should be changed to "Parish Lesane Crooks" he later changed his name to Tupac Amaru Shakur not his actualy birthname

92.9.61.251 (talk) 16:11, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

• Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Celestra (talk) 17:40, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
•  Done There were already viable resources on the article to back up the claim Crazysane (^T/_C\^D) 17:44, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

• Note: However, we do have a slight discrepancy on weather it was "Parish Lesane" or "Lesane Parish". Sources have it both ways. Anyone want to weight in? Right now I'm leaving it the way the death certificate has it. Crazysane (^T/_C\^D) 18:01, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 75.111.54.237, 19 September 2010

{{edit semi-protected}}

Hi! I would like to create Kazakh version of this article and link it

75.111.54.237 (talk) 04:42, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. elektrikSHOOS 04:48, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Asociated acts & Genres

I think quite a lot and 2Pac's article is incomplete, "Associated Acts" missing many, like Dr. Dre, Ice Cube, Ice-T (even made songs together like "Last Wordz" and even a live show) , and The Notorious BIG

Moreover also the place where it says "Genre" you should be put instead of "Hip hop", put many of its subgenres as "West Coast hip hop," gangsta rap ", etc. Or, Maybe just put next to "gangsta rap." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.112.21.189 (talk) 20:13, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

He wasn't always associated with them. And no, the guidelines say to be generic with the genres. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 01:37, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

UNLOCK

Unlock the page despite possible vandalism, it isn´t just like Wikipedia. --93.82.1.201 (talk) 09:58, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Why? So people like you can vandalize it? Red Flag on the Right Side 14:42, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Best selling hip hop artist?

• 2pacalypse now 1 million (2 million worldwide)
• strictly 4 my niggaz 1 million (2 million worldwide)
• me against the world 5 million (9 million worldwide)
• all eyez on me 18 million (30 million worldwide)*
• the don killuminati 6 million (28 million worldwide)
• r u still down? (remember me) 4 million (6 million worldwide)*
• greatest hits 18 million (28 million worldwide)*
• still i rise 1 million (1 million worldwide)
• thug life vol. 1 500,000 (1 million worldwide)
• until the end of time 9 million (12 million world wide)*
• better dayz 8 million (12 million worldwide)*
• tupac ressurection 1 million (2 million worldwide)
• loyal to the game 1 million (2 million worldwide)
• pac's life 500,000 (1 million worldwide)

• double disk 1 million counts as 2 million by the RIAA

If you don't count the double disk his record sales would be 75 million but aren't double disks suppose to be counted in the record sales? So he technically sold 222 million records worldwide and 80 million in the United States (Example: The Notorious B.I.G.'s second double album "Life After Death" sold 5 million in 2000 and was certified Diamond status 5*2=10 10 million records sold is Diamond status)

I think you're getting it all wrong. All Eyez on Me sold 4.5 million in the United States. That's why it is certified 9x Platinum by the RIAA. That's one example. You're quadruple doubling everything in your numbers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.148.243.148 (talk) 02:49, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

These are the most up to date of his record sales even if I didn't quadruple his numbers his record sales would be 136 million worldwide. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.65.50.143 (talk) 21:13, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

1992 Shooting Discrepancy

In the Legal Issues section, there are two different stories given for the incident that resulted in the boy's death in 1992; the third paragraph and the last paragraph. The third paragraph says Tupac dropped the gun, someone picked it up and a bullet dislodged. The last paragraph says it was a stray bullet from a shootout. The last paragraph's sources don't have links to the articles. The source cited in the third paragraph says that Tupac's half-brother picked up the gun and fired 3-6 times. So.. what we have in this Wikipedia article: One story that contradicts the source it cites, and another story that contradicts both the first story and the first story's source. What's going on here and why has no one caught it? Brinkley32 (talk) 08:55, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I believe this was brought up before, and it would appear that nobody was brave enough to implement a change. WP:SOFIXIT. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 10:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I honestly don't know much about Tupac, so I was reading up a little bit. I have never had anything to do with the article before and have no clue what the situation is with the topic. I just noticed it and thought I would bring it to the attention of the regular editors of the article that would know more about the subject than I would. Brinkley32 (talk) 22:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Top selling rapper?

{{Edit semi-protected}}The article mentions that Tupac is the top selling rap artist of all time with 75 million records. This is out of date, Eminem has sold 80 million. 76.17.186.218 (talk)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Celestra (talk) 13:04, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Eminem isn't the best selling rapper. 2Pac sold over 100 million albums. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.65.50.143 (talk) 21:05, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Tupac sold 75 million, Eminem sold 80 million. This is clearly listed here with sources; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists. 76.17.186.218 (talk)

It's true - Eminem has now overtaken Tupac as the highest-selling rapper with the outrageous success of Recovery. Which, as of October 10th, has sold 2.8 Million in the US alone. Hip Hop sales numbers. He's now the best selling artist of the decade - and the best-selling rapper of all-time. -Addionne (talk) 16:34, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Ancestry

The following statement:

"Through Garland, his biological father, Shakur was a great descendant of the royal Garamantes kingdom of northern Africa. The modern Tuareg people of Sub-Saharan Africa are descended from the Garamantes civilization."

Has three sources: http://www.archaeology.org/0403/abstracts/sands.html http://ilbonito.wordpress.com/2007/11/12/whispers-in-the-sand-a-message-from-a-lost-civilization/ http://www.wargs.com/other/shakur.html

Only the last source (which is self-published) makes any mention of Tupac's ancestry but says nothing about his lineage to Africa. The second two sources are about the Garamantes, but make no mention of Tupac being a descendant. Between the three of them we have, at best, original research. I am going to remove them until these dubious facts can be verified.Scoundr3l (talk) 06:19, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

MC Hammer

I do alot of edits on Hammer's articles and find it hard to believe that he's not mentioned on the 2Pac page since they were close friends, recorded together, was given a song by Pac that Hammer later recorded, was with him the night he was shot in Vegas and died (a reason Hammer turned to ministry), was a part of the Hammer movie (about his career/life), signed to Death Row together, was an associated act, etc. etc. Just wasn't sure if there was any intentional reason to exclude him or if that could be incorporated throughout topics/sections, if nothing else listed as an associated act. All info is sourced/cited on Hammer's page or album/song articles by MC. I can log in / create account to do so if no one else gets to it. Just an "fyi". Thanks, have a nice day and happy holidays... 63.131.4.149 (talk) 11:07, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

The rape section

The language in this section makes it seem as though there were some doubt as to 2Pac's guilt. I think the text needs to be reworded to reflect the fact that 2pac was convicted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.87.101.173 (talk) 20:43, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

First, His name is Tupac, 2pac is a persona/stage name and has little, if not nothing to do with the man's real personality. Secondly, the language is neutral because this is an encyclopedic entry, so must remain impartial, regardless of the issue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.209.219.74 (talk) 04:31, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Snoop Dogg

Snoop Dogg was known as Snoop Doggy Dogg when 2Pac was rapping at the time. His name shouldn't be changed to Snoop Dogg in the associate acts part of the article since 2Pac doesn't rap anymore. It should remain as Snoop Doggy Dogg. WAYNESLAM 21:31, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 142.47.128.182, 20 December 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} 142.47.128.182 (talk) 02:05, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. No information given in request. Whitehorse1 02:43, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 98.254.83.35, 20 December 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} On the template at the top of the page, Shakur's borth name is listed as Lesane Parish Crooks. This name is false. His real birth name was Tupac Amaru Shakur. Please correct this. 98.254.83.35 (talk) 18:33, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Note: This is covered in the Early life section. The references there give the other name. One is the Coroner's report that lists it—as an aka; the other is a website, stating his mother changed his name in 1972 (born prev. year). Do you have a reliable source that can support the change you want to be made? --Whitehorse1 02:49, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Done I decided to remove the birth name field from the infobox-template instead. That seemed sensible since it's covered in the Early life section, plus the refs (Coroner's report refers to it as an "aka" and other site doesn't appear to be that reliable) are ambiguous. Should better sources be found to resolve the matter in the future, it can be changed. --Whitehorse1 03:02, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Note: : Note: : Note: And again his birthname is listed as 'Lesane Parish Crooks' 100% unviable, unaccountable and unreliable, change this! It is a far established fact that he was named after Tupac Amaru II. Obvious troll is obvious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.107.187.222 (talk) 23:15, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Picture

Picture is missing from the page. 96.40.147.134 (talk) 21:21, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

2pac died 7 days after being shot 4 times on september 6 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thug4lyfe786 (talk • contribs) 15:51, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Put a real picture of 2Pac and not some damn wax figure or drawing please and thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.65.50.143 (talk) 17:25, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

I couldn't agree with you more. I have removed the picture, so if anyone can find a free Tupac picture, it would be very much appreciated. SE KinG. ^{User page.} _Talk. 17:38, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

2pac was born in 1971. Do the math. 1+9+7+1=18. 8-1=7. SEVEN! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.126.209.83 (talk) 01:32, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Okaay people reading about Tupac! i believe hes NOT dead why? vvv 2Pac was cremated the day after he died. Since when does some one get cremated the day after a murder? There was no autopsy. Plus, no one can ask to dig up his grave like they wanted to do with Elvis and like they did with Abraham Lincoln. (An autopsy picture "leaked" onto the Internet, click here to take a look. However, this could easily be a fake picture.) Pac began calling himself Makaveli. Machiavelli was an Italian war strategist who advocated faking one's death to fool their enemies Las Vegas is a payoff city, meaning all sorts of folks have been known to be on the take. That means doctors, press, lawyers, etc. (This works both ways, The payoff city Las Vegas could be a factor in either 2Pac faking his death OR Suge Knight killing him.) && it goess on read more @ http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-17232.0.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.41.53.144 (talk) 05:29, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Death?

Is Tupac are really death? I saw on CNN that he didn't die yet! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.197.130.6 (talk) 06:09, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Provide a reliable source. STATic message me! 05:09, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Tupac... Yu Wr D Bst Nd Yuh Still Remain D Bst Rpper x zainab mukhtar xx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.221.223.85 (talk) 19:42, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 207.87.20.126, 15 March 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} Tupac was born in Baltimore Maryland not New York even he claims New York. Sorry he was born in Baltimore.

207.87.20.126 (talk) 18:55, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. "Sorry", but you'll need a reliable source to verify that information; if you have one, then please make a new edit request with full details. Qwyrxian (talk) 01:31, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of One Day at a Time (Em's Version)

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A search for references failed to find support for the notability claim "charted at #80 on The Billboard Hot 100", fails WP:N and WP:V

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Interracial Marriage Opponent

Tupac Shakur was a outspoken opponent of interracial marriage (at least before he became engaged to Kidada Jones).

The article should be edited to include this fact.

72.82.177.102 (talk) 21:14, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Sales

His sales exceed 100 million. source: Icon estate http://theiconestate.decostaonline.com/?page_id=17 Please update. Regards! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.177.182.109 (talk) 18:26, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Feud section?

Tupac was obviously engaged in with rappers, producers, and other figures throughout his career (Bad Boy Records, Delores Tucker, Haitian Jack, Mobb Deep, etc.). To me, it seems silly not to have a section chronicling his most prominent feuds. Surely this could be accomplished? StanHater (talk) 03:09, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

alive

How can there be no section on the death controversy? Maybe he really is dead but many people (polls say over 80% of his fans) think he's not and it also has become part of popular culture. It needs to be mentioned.--85.151.204.175 (talk) 22:29, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Post a link and if it is what you say and reliable il add it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Awsometilthegrave (talk • contribs) 19:50, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

This has popped up on pbs.org : http://freze.it/5S But has apparently been removed since. Which is why I refer to the Freeze.it site For your own Judgement --SteveClement (talk) 11:36, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I was coming here to say the same thing, obviously prompted by the prank played against PBS. To be clear, in no way do I think Tupac is alive. He quite clearly isn't. But a large number of people believe that he is, and I think it's a rather relevant aspect of his "legacy" so it would make sense to discuss it briefly in that section while of course pointing out that these are conspiracy theories (or whatever term we want to use) that do not seem to have any basis in fact. I could pull some stuff from Dyson's Holler if You Hear Me--which I never finished because, frankly, I think it sucks--since Dyson does talk a bit about the belief that Pac is still alive toward the end of the book. The cultural impact of this belief is demonstrated by the prank on PBS but also by this well-known little sketch from Chappelle's Show, and no doubt other things as well (a couple of specific mentions seem worthwhile).

If there are no objections I might add some brief material along these lines--it certainly speaks to the strength of Pac's legacy among his fans and is therefore relevant to a bio article. --Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 22:36, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Birth Place

Where is Tupac born, the article says East Harlem, but i have heard many times that he is in brooklyn the german article also says hes born in brooklyn, can someone explain this. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.158.178.63 (talk) 19:37, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 69.209.192.219, 17 June 2011

In the infobox where it saids yearsactive for rapping it should say 1990–96 and for acting it should say 1991–96.

69.209.192.219 (talk) 04:27, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. ^Avic_ennasis @ 17:16, 16 Sivan 5771 / 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Inconsistent?

In the third paragraph of Tupac Shakur#Legal issues there are two tags of "inconsistent." The statements seem consistent with the rest of the paragraph. What inconsistency is anyone trying to point out? --John (User:Jwy/talk) 00:41, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

I plan to remove the tags if there is no explanation soon. . . --John (User:Jwy/talk) 15:36, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Done. --John (User:Jwy/talk) 17:24, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Tupac's Name

Hi everyone.

Tupac was actually born Tupac Amaru Shakur. Please change that "Lesane Parish Crooks" which is a lie. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.208.215.218 (talk) 16:37, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

I agree, and the source for that fact is not credible whatsoever. Dkm1992 (talk) 21:56, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Better Photo

It's a much better photo of Tupac: http://tekstovi-pesama.com/g_img/0/250476/tupac%2520shakur-9.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.120.183.130 (talk) 10:21, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I second this. The photo http://tekstovi-pesama.com/g_img/0/250476/tupac%2520shakur-9.jpg was previously used on this page for years, and the new one is obscured. You should revert back to the old version. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.216.62.204 (talk) 22:12, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Thug Life

The comment, "The group usually performed without Shakur" isn't proven. The group Thug Life was known to tour with Tupac and perform as backup vocalists from time to time; for example they did so on The Arsenio Hall Show in 1994 when they performed Pain with fellow West Coast rapper Stretch. There is no evidence to suggest (i.e. video or media documented proof) that Thug Life toured without Shakur at anytime. Also the source doesn't make any sense since nowhere on the album does it say that Thug Life performed without Shakur, nor is it stated within the music. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.201.58 (talk) 04:19, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

2Pac article [Things wrong]

I think there should be a better photo of 2Pac honestly. 2Pac's record sales have been outdated (he sold 75 million worldwide in 2002), I remember first reading this article saying he had 75 million record sales worldwide when I was still in elementary school, his current record sales worldwide are at least no greater than 100 million. There should be changes to the article (some stuff in the article are just unnecessary details. Example: Tha Outlawz and there should be more detail on his early rapping career) so that this article could be a featured article candidate someday again and hopefully a featured article.

I'll probably add more when I can think of anything else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.106.244.102 (talk) 14:28, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Reece1345454654, 25 August 2011

on 2pacs page hes album sold is wrong hes sold 120 mil Reece1345454654 (talk) 00:23, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 00:58, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Infobox name error

The name in the infobox is BS, as we all know his name is tupac amaru shakur.... seeing as it is semi-protected i cant do anything about it 212.71.133.118 (talk) 21:45, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

10x Diamond?

"1998 Greatest Hits 3 1 10× Diamond" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.108.93.168 (talk) 00:24, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Origin

His origin should be changed from Los Angeles to Oakland. Fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.150.10.201 (talk) 17:15, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Awards

I have information about awards that 2pac won. He won Soultrain awards an American music award and a few others. I can't edit that information but those who can should. Foundfacts (talk) 18:16, 11 September 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Foundfacts (talk • contribs) 18:12, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Tupac Statue in Germany

Why is there a statue of Tupac in Germany? And why does it look nothing like him? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.32.104.61 (talk) 18:59, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Here is the statue from a different corner. 2pac Is Alive (talk) 19:13, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 213.140.220.24, 25 September 2011

According to the BPI [British Phonographic Industry], 2pac has an album & DVD certified silver and gold in the UK. Search 2pac not Tupac. Please update and thanks.

http://www.bpi.co.uk/certifiedawards/Search.aspx

213.140.220.24 (talk) 12:35, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Where would you like this to be added in the article? --Jnorton7558 (talk) 23:06, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

At the discography section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.140.220.24 (talk) 16:38, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Thug Life Citation

Hi, I posted a topic in here (discussion section) a few months back regarding the comment "[Thug Life] usually performed without Shakur." The comment is cited but if one actually looks at the citation, they would notice it makes no sense. The citation lists "Thug Life: Volume 1" as the source, but that is an audio CD that does not state in the album cover jacket text, nor within the lyrical content, that this is true. In other words, the source provided is false and in no way supports this claim.

Thug Life never performed without Shakur and rarely toured as ensemble with Shakur. A good example is Shakur's "Live at the House of Blues" Concert DVD, in which members of Tha Outlawz including two former Thug Life members (Mopreme and Big Syke) performed as backup vocalists. Another example is when Shakur performed the song "Pain" on the Arsenio Hall Show with Thug Life and Stretch in 1993.

Perhaps the author of this section thought that Tha Outlawz were the same thing as Thug Life, since Tha Outlawz did tour without Shakur and a few members were in both groups, but this is not the case. I stress that this error please be changed, it is a strange claim to make with no evidence and skews Shakur's reputation as a pivotal member of both groups. When Shakur passed away, Thug Life disbanded and Tha Outlawz went on hiatus until 1999. In other words without Shakur, any previously affiliated groups could no longer function. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.38.22.58 (talk) 17:27, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

I have failed this article as the nominator has been blocked from wikipedia for sock puppetry, and the article needs a lot of work (dead links, bare urls, prose) before it can be listed as a good article. Perhaps it can be nominated again in the future. Good luck, and sorry about the fail. Thanks, Basilisk4u (talk) 19:18, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 25 December 2011

Tupac did not believe in the 'Illuminati', as he explains here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAKfS5lMm68 5:30-615

His point being if the illuminati were real, how did people find out about their plan? How do people in jail of all people have the illuminatis plan? So he was out to kill what in his mind was bullshit.

The claim that "The album title has the word killuminati because Tupac wanted to kill the illuminati with his songs (hence the name). is, at the very least, not supported by any corroborated evidence, and is disputed.

96.48.45.161 (talk) 00:20, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Done. I agree. If you'd like any further help, contact me on my user talk page. You might instead want to put a {{help me}} template up on your own user talk, or put the {{edit semi-protected}} template back up on this page and either way someone will be along to help you. :) Banaticus (talk) 11:44, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

influence

You should also include that Tupac is referred as Ghetto Jesus and God Of Music — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.228.254.57 (talk) 18:21, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

By whom? agentlame (talk) 03:13, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Who has been editing the introduction?

The Article introduction is dreadful compared to what it used to be, it's like a child wrote it. Please return it to it's more detailed earlier revision. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.47.23 (talk) 09:04, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Agreed, whoever has gone through the article recently and edited it has written it from the perspective of someone with little knowledge on Tupac and the events surrounding his life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fcponer (talk • contribs) 11:47, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Death Of Tupac Shakur or Assasination Of Tupac Shakur Wiki Page

I Believe There Should Be A Wiki Page About 2Pac's Death. Many Other Famous Muscicians (such as Kurt Cobain, Michael Jackson ect.) Have Wiki Pages..... Why Not 2Pac?. I Believe The Signifigant Effect 2Pacs Death Had On The Hip Hop Community And Pop Cultre In General, Are Good Reasons For This.--121.214.134.45 (talk) 07:42, 30 November 2011 (UTC) Lachie Bennett - Lewis

I Think You Should Use Less Capital Letters At The Beginning Of Words.

86.169.145.66 (talk) 14:39, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

86.169.145.66, that was unhelpful... to the OP, if you think it's notable and deserves an article, then don't be afraid to create it yourself! If you need any help with this please ask me or another editor. --andy4789 ★ · (talk? contribs?) 20:21, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 7 February 2012

This isn't big problem but this says that he was most likely deist as his religion and it says he didn't believe in an after life. This should be edited to say that he was most likely christian because he had a cross with a bible verse on his back and he talks about God and other christian things in his songs. And he has also has hinted that he believes in heaven and hell and some songs, so the part where it says he didn't believe in an afterlife needs to be removed. The part where it says he doesn't believe in organized religion is likely false to so that needs to be taken out. You also need a good picture of 2pac too.

Mike1118 (talk) 17:21, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Not done for now: -- As this is a biographical article, everything needs to be provable. Is there any reliable sources (ie web pages, books etc) that prove what you're trying to say about him? Please reply below. --andy4789 ★ · (talk? contribs?) 20:03, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

What happened to the picture?

what happened to the picture?! (talk~~Headshot789~~) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Headshot789 (talk • contribs) 01:38, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Info Box Image

Can somebody find an image that can permanently stay up on the article, every other image keeps on getting taken down because of the ridiculous copyright policy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Green-Halcyon (talk • contribs) 17:08, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

What...?

"He believed in Karma, but rejected a literal afterlife and organized religion.[32]" - The source is showing an interview where I think many will agree... I don't think he's talking about an actual afterlife, nor is he "rejecting" organized religion. I think that's getting a little farfetched and is puting words in the horse's mouth. The sentence before says some analysis of him calls him a deist (who have a tendency to view morals and ethics in a much different way than that of this individual)... so I'm doubting anyone who knows much about deism even read the line after that (excuse my sarcasm). 98.198.83.12 (talk) 10:57, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Heya.

He's alive. I was checking out a few of his biographies, and I know it says that he died in 1996, but he is surely alive. It says he went to Cali and lived under the name Jamal Millwood, and from there he made more recordings, like "All Eyez On Me," "The 7 Day Theory," and "Resurrection" He is still alive, and still has been since 2005, as confirmed by CNN corrspondent Robert Spencer. resources: www.assatashakur.org/forum/conscious-music-artists-news-views/4989-cnn-finds-tupac-shakur-alive.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adrianmorquecho (talk • contribs) 23:46, 6 March 2012 (UTC) Find reliable sources that claim he is alive (i.e. Newspaper, News channel reports, and not forum posts). Though I sincerely doubt he is alive, you could maybe add a section concerning the scepticism over his death, again referenced with reliable sources. Aunty-S (talk) 09:00, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Terminology

"she alleged that Shakur and his entourage gang banged her" A gang bang is a consensual act, a gang rape isn't. Since she alledged that she was raped I believe this term should be changed, as it is misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.173.68.161 (talk) 01:58, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Done. Aunty-S (talk) 09:33, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

2PAC's Album Sales

Tupac is alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Other sources put it at 75 million, like the current source used for the figure, Forbes Magazine. Sorry but Forbes is a more reliable source than Studioleaks.com, the figure should not be changed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Green-Halcyon (talk • contribs) 14:51, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

It's weird how when it comes Eminem's album sales people are fast to update it to make him the best selling hip-hop artist (he's not), but when the same thing happens with 2Pac people aren't willing to do the same.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.106.244.102 (talk) 00:10, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Page Name

Why others like Eminem, The Notorious B.I.G., Jay-Z, etc. have their pages with their aliases but 2Pac's page is under his real name? Shouldn't it be 2Pac? Thank you..

--95.142.137.148 (talk) 15:57, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Hologram?

How can the sentence "The hologram was created using Musion Eyeliner." be true when the page about Musion Eyeliner is clear that this system is not a hologram? Either the Musion Eyeliner is a hologram, or the presentation was none. One of the two pages must be wrong. 141.84.69.20 (talk) 22:17, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Because it wasn't a hologram, everyone just keeps calling it that, like news sites, the people that saw it, the people involved in making it, etc. I think it's because as far as most people are concerned, it looked for the most part what a hologram would look like. Just flatter and with more dope rhymes. Shmargin (talk) 00:14, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

All Eyez On Me

It's name is All Eyez On Me not EYES... --95.142.137.141 (talk) 14:43, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Honors

Please add this poll result to their honors list... ESPN rated Shakur "the greatest rapper of all time" as voted by fans as seen in the link.. Thank you http://espn.go.com/espnradio/bracket?id=7620069 --95.0.8.3 (talk) 20:36, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

" Helloooooo??!!? " --95.142.137.141 (talk) 16:48, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 27 April 2012

The paragraph titled 'Murder case' is repeated twice in the article by mistake, one or other of the instances of this pargraph should be deleted. Usjes (talk) 22:54, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

 Done I'll compare the two later to ensure I didn't drop any content, but going offline for awhile. Dru of Id (talk) 23:19, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

A bot resecued the references I'd stranded by the time I finished. Dru of Id (talk) 01:01, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Beliefs

I believe that 2pac did believe in the afterlife due to the lyrics in his song 'Thugz Mansion' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.176.117 (talk) 21:13, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

image caption

The caption currently reads "2Pac Live at the House of Blues in Los Angeles, California on July 4, 1996", but if you follow the image back to its source, the uncropped version says "Tupac Shakur in Las Vegas, September 1996". Am I missing something, or is the caption just wrong? - 109.153.108.108 (talk) 00:24, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

tupac made other unreleased diss named war gamez

http://www.sohh.com/2009/07/unreleased_2pac_diss_song.html --82.139.5.13 (talk) 11:39, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

dexter isaac did not admit shooting tupac shakur

[On June 15, 2011, Dexter Issac(sic) admitted to his involvement in the shooting and robbery, reporting to have been hired to do so by James Rosemond aka Jimmy Henchman[48]]

dexter isaac admitted in the allhiphop interview to the robbery involving the shooting, after the statute of limitations expired, but not to the shooting. the media misreported and allhiphop.com amended their headline.

The Tupac Quad Studio Confession: Are You Sure You Know Who Shot Pac?

http://www.missinfo.tv/index.php/the-tupac-quad-studio-confession-are-you-sure-you-know-who-shot-pac/

Exclusive: Jimmy Henchman Associate Admits to Role in Robbery/Shooting of Tupac; Apologizes To Pac & B.I.G.’s Mothers

by Grandmaster Grouchy Greg Watkins June 15th, 2011 @ 2:00pm

http://allhiphop.com/2011/06/15/exclusive-jimmy-henchman-associate-admits-to-role-in-robberyshooting-of-tupac-apologizes-to-pac-b-i-g-s-mothers/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.170.78.145 (talk) 00:25, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Pictures

The atricle needs more images. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.220.240.104 (talk) 05:07, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 19 July 2012

To whom it may concern, i wish to request a change in Tupac Amaru Shakur's Wikipedia entry. The correction being his genre, as he sang rap, and not hip-hop. Reason being that rap was created as the African-american words to fight of the oppression due to the racism of their times. Since this is what he sang, due to his mothers involvement with the Black Panthers. As of this reason, i hope to have it corrected.

ERA Evil13 (talk) 18:40, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

 Not done. This may need consensus and not a simple edit request.--Canoe1967 (talk) 06:31, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

MC Hammer within the associated acts.

Tupac Shakur/Archive 6

87.102.8.33 (talk) 03:37, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Floating Boat A boat that can float! 11:48, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 29 July 2012

On September 7, 1996, Tupac was in Las Vegas to attend a boxing match between Mike Tyson and Bruce Seldon. He was staying at the Luxor Hotel- Casino. http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=2pac+death&revid=-1&sa=X&ei=zKMUUL7mKIH68gTxqICIDQ&sqi=2&ved=0CJABENUCKAE&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=fc96f4c66dfc2d61&biw=1600&bih=735

Lgreen0945 (talk) 02:47, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

 Not done - What exactly are you trying to have changed? SE KinG. ^{User page.} _Talk. 22:15, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 11 August 2012

The "Filmography" section needs some editing to the formatting. Two of his films were released in 1997 and a user attempted to have the column that shows the release year have 1997 cover two rows. This failed and the final row has the film title in the "Year" column, his role in the "Title" column, and miscellaneous notes in the "Role" column.

Also, the paragraph that would start two lines after the "Documentaries" headline starts directly after the "S" in "Documentaries."

Requested on 11 August 2012 by Kaloosa (talk) 04:53, 11 August 2012 (UTC)kaloosa.

 Done This has been corrected, thank you for bringing it to our attention. KillerChihuahua^?!? 05:41, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

TUPAC DISS by W.Y.K.O.P.

recently tupac got dissed by WYKOP SQUAD Wykop - Diss na Tupaca — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.193.246.183 (talk) 19:56, 15 August 2012 (UTC) 2pac is the Greatest of All Time!

Edit request on 22 August 2012

This stuff was inexplicably removed [1] can someone restore it in a Television section, like Britney article?? 108.244.65.167 (talk) 10:16, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Do you have a conflict of interest or did you mean to use the template for edit requests of semi-protected articles? User:King4057 20:19, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I think he meant to use the template to request an edit to the page. 166.147.123.24 (talk) 12:52, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Done A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 13:43, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus to move the page, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 21:30, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

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• Tupac Shakur → Tupac

– COMMONNAME Երևանցի _talk 01:42, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

His is more commonly know simply as "Tupac" than "Tupac Shakur". Google search results are:

• "tupac" 45,000,000 results
• "tupac shakur" 10,600,000 results

"Tupac" has 4 times more results than "Tupac Shakur" and Wikipedia requires pages to be named by their most common name.--Երևանցի _talk 01:42, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support per above. Hot Stop (Edits) 13:35, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose Google searches for "Tupac" are not unambiguous. They include every source that includes "Tupac Shakur", the "Tupac Amaru", etc. Every book on the topic introduces him by his full name. Michael Eric Dyson uses Tupac Shakur in the title of the definitive book on the subject. Recognizability, Precision, and Clarity all are served by keeping "Tupac Shakur" as the title. Holla if ya hear me! SLawsonIII (talk) 18:35, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose; we use full names except where reliable sources overwhelmingly prefer the mononym. Cf. Madonna vs Beyoncé Knowles. SLawsonIII is absolutely correct about the unreliability of Google searches, and I further point out that the raw numbers of "results" reported by Google are absolutely and completely meaningless (at least once you get into four or five figures). Googling "tupac -shakur" (hiding results that include the surname) actually increases the number of reported "results" over simply "tupac" alone. That not only defies common sense, it's mathematically impossible. Powers ^T 02:14, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose Tupac does not refer to the musician exclusively, we need not look further than Tupac to see that. Straight results by no means take into account reliable source.--Labattblueboy (talk) 04:58, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Half Suport he is best known as 2Pac, so it should be that, right? K. (talk) 19:53, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Proposed move

Shouldn't the page be moved to "2Pac" as that was his official stage name and what he was & is best known as? KANE 20:38, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

As long as both Tupac and 2Pac are both disamb pages which link up to his full real name, then I have no issues with his main article being listed under his full name. It's not that hard to figure out, even if you only know him by his stage name. I suspect his full name is listed in album notes (but don't have one on-hand to verify).

~ender 2012-10-11 2:19:AM MST — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.17.34.119 (talk)

Edit request on 27 October 2012

In the infobox where it saids years active it saids 1988–1996 that is wrong and it should say 1990–1996 because he started rapping in 1990. 99.137.149.253 (talk) 20:02, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

I am willing to change it to 1989–1996, since 1989 was the year of his first concert (though not the start of his professional career), per the body text. You are right his professional career started in 1990, but it isn't clear whether that is what "active years" refers to. Churn and change (talk) 22:53, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. @C&C:As far as I can tell, the "active years" field is simply a place for Wikipedians to argue over, as if there weren't enough of those already. -Nathan Johnson (talk) 14:15, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Glory, laud, and honor

I believe the article is more laudatory than objective or neutral. It is also excessively long.Owney2011 (talk) 21:15, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

New studio album dropped - Someone should add it

As of 22. January 2013, Pac "released" another post-houmous album, "The Great 2pac". Source: http://open.spotify.com/album/0TBwMjqm1esajO8c3dtDAi

79.160.173.237 (talk) 21:26, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

associated acts

i think the Boot Camp Clik should be on the list of affiliates. they did almost put out an album together. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.246.80.178 (talk) 00:02, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit request, February 2013

An editor removed content from Filmography for no apparent reason. This has been discussed before. Please revert the good faith edits. 166.147.120.169 (talk)

and add Category : Attempted assassination survivors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.147.120.164 (talk) 19:49, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Please provide a source that he survived an assassination attempt, and please provide a link to the previous discussion about the removed content. Thank you! Vacation9 03:06, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

A reliable reference of the attempt can be found here. The edit to keep his tv appearances was done last August. Could the editor kindly separate this content into a section titled Television? 166.147.120.177 (talk) 13:27, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. That's not a reliable independent source. Try newspapers. gwickwire^talk_editing 17:59, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

My God, here's an official link to the attempt ok?! As for television appearances, check out Internet Movie Database.

I have closed this as it has been stale for 3 weeks with no consensus. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 16:23, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

please act upon this request. I did provide the reliable reference as asked. 166.147.123.39 (talk)

Not done: As you may not be aware, IMDB is not reguarded as a reliable source, as it is user-generated. Mdann52 (talk) 12:28, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Fine, but I will fight tooth and claw until u add in that bit about the '94 attempt on his life I sourced that! 166.147.123.27 (talk) 00:02, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Not done: Hothotmusic.com is a blog, which is not a reliable source per WP:BLOGS. Please cite a source that meets Wikipedia's verifiability standards. --ElHef (Meep?) 05:12, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Does this count? 83.34.249.41 (talk) 21:39, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Again, no. Tracing the sources of those articles back gets us to this blog post, the source of which is a brief excerpt from a court transcript. If there's a reliable source to be had here, it should be more along the lines of a court transcript that directly supports the information you would like in this article, not a blog post which makes a great many grand and sweeping inferences without a whole lot to base it on. --ElHef (Meep?) 23:02, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 18 May 2013

Please change Tupac's birth name from "Tupac Amaru Shakur" to "Lesane Parish Crooks" as this is his actual birth name.

regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pany121 (talk • contribs)

The article discusses this, but it seems there is some doubt, and this may be disputed/unconfirmed by the family. I'll leave this open and hope for additional comments, because I'm not comfortable altering the infobox without some more consensus, given the apparent doubt. Thanks. Begoon ^talk 10:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

It looks like police in Las Vegas were the ones to release Tupac's real name to the media shortly after his murder, because that was the name on Tupac's driver's license and his birth name. Here is an article from the Las Vegas Sun. His birth name was also documented in the book referenced in the newspaper article. His real name was referenced in this article as well. AuthorAuthor (talk) 18:11, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Ok, so this one isn't clear cut or easy. Thanks for the links, AuthorAuthor - helpful. Seems like this issue is a perennial here, though.

See this search in the archives of this page: [2]. Specifically, there is Talk:Tupac_Shakur/Archive_4#Tupac.27s_birth_name, and Talk:Tupac_Shakur/Archive_3#Add_2pac.27s_birth_name amongst several other related discussions in there.

It seems each time previously the rough consensus has been that we don't have a reliable source good enough to categorically state it as birth name, particularly when, quoting "his birth certificate and his official biography, written under his mother's oversight, does not mention Lesane Parish Crooks." Given all that, I'm still not happy making the change on the strength of this edit request and those links. I'm very reticent to make changes like this with that kind of history of discussion, and very little new input. But maybe I'm too careful. Let's wait for some more input?

There's also the option to just change the infobox to "Name" rather than "Birth Name" and otherwise leave it as it is, or even not have the name in the infobox - infoboxes are supposed to be an optional convenience, so if they are making things difficult or inconvenient, we can override their "usual" contents here, including field names. The article content and title could be enough, maybe, to make that infobox field unnecessary, with the existing content discussing it in the article body as it is now. If it's controversial, that might be the most sensitive way to handle it - but I'm thinking out loud here...Begoon ^talk 11:01, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Birth certificates are shown as proof of identity the first time a person applies for a driver's license. Thus Tupac Shakur's birth name was on his driver's license, not the name his mother later called him. Police supplied his real name to the media when Tupac was shot according to news articles I linked. Rumors on the Internet are not reliable. Should we not say he is not dead because of rumors on the web that he faked his death? I am for going with a reliable newspaper citation that states the police provided his birth name as Lesane Parish Crooks. It could be stated exactly that way in the article, with the citation. AuthorAuthor (talk) 16:01, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I don't disagree that we can say exactly that in the article. No problem at all with saying that the police stated it, with a citation. We already have something close to that. My concern is that in the infobox it seems to take on our voice, as though we are saying it. But as I said, I'm probably too careful on biographies when anything seems controversial. That's why I wanted to wait for more input, and I'm grateful for yours. Begoon ^talk 16:20, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Your suggestion of putting Tupac Shakur under "Name" instead of "Birth name" in the infobox is a good solution to that issue. Thanks. AuthorAuthor (talk) 18:06, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

My preference would be to remove the birth name field from the infobox entirely and rely upon the combination of the title of the infobox and the body of the article to relate all relevant information. If someone is interested in finding his full name or birth name in a case like this, I would rather they read the article for the explanation than get disputed / borderline-inaccurate information at a glance in the infobox. --ElHef (Meep?) 20:45, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Ah, ok, well, embarrassingly, after suggesting it, I can't see an easy way to make the template display "Name" instead of "Birth Name".... I thought there would be some optional general purpose parameter we could use, but I can't find it. Is everyone comfortable with removing the birth name field with a note to not re-add without referring to this discussion/new consensus? That would still leave the article title, and the Name as Infobox title above the image in the infobox, as "obvious" name labels (plus it's in the image caption). If that's ok - then the only remaining question is if AuthorAuthor feels the content in the body could be better worded, in the light of his references. Begoon ^talk 02:50, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Good idea to remove the birth name field with a note, Begoon. I am happy to rework the content and open to suggestions for how you think it could be better worded to reflect this. Thanks. AuthorAuthor (talk) 02:59, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

There's this: [3] - look at page 20. I think the only hard evidence of the name I've seen is the linked coroner's report in the article as a reference - [4] where it's listed as an aka. I don't like the sentence about his mother using the name because of fear of attack because it's just sourced to this: [5]. I'd be inclined to try to keep it as simple as we can, without speculating, saying that the police released information including that name, and leave people to draw their own conclusions, since it's not up to us to draw conclusions for them. I'd love an actual link to what someone in the family has officially stated, but maybe I'm too blind to find it. There's a lot of stuff that just seems speculative in every search I do. That's about all I've got so far. Begoon ^talk 03:54, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

That works for me, to keep it simple and remove the statement as to why his mother named him that since there is no reliable source to cite it with. AuthorAuthor (talk) 04:08, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Ok. I did this: [6]. Please feel free to tweak/edit it. Thanks. Begoon ^talk 04:22, 20 May 2013 (UTC)