Talk:Time in Canada/Archive 1

Archive 1

Start Date section

Instead of listing the dates they enacted legislation adopting the US dates, just list the dates their laws currently call for it to be in 2007. (It doesn't matter much what day they adopt the change since the effective date wouldn't be until that start date of DST.) Jon 16:28, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

What does that mean?

Regarding the section Time in Canada#Daylight saving time, it says "Saskatchewan - presumed defacto authorization coincident with Alberta and Manitoba," in regards to the USA's change in DST observance period.

What does that mean? We haven't observed DST here as long as I've been alive—so how could we authorise a change in the DST hours? This very page says DST is illegal here in Saskatchewan... odd. BigNate37_(T) 01:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not the one who put in that passage, but I assumed it was referring to the parts of Saskatchewan that do have DST, namely the region from Lloydminster to Maidstone and Creighton (near Flin Flon). Indefatigable 18:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I could see that being the rationale. I guess I don't really think of those DST-rebels when I consider the province in terms of timezone. BigNate37_(T) 19:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

It definately needs reworded. Something like "parts that have historically observed DST near Alberta & Mantioba are presumed to be authorized to have the start & end dates the same as Alberta & Mantioba." Jon 17:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I saw the reference to Daylight Savings Time being illegal in Saskatchewan, and I had to post a correction. Chapter 85 of the Statutes of Saskatchewan, 1966 (a.k.a. The Time Act, 1966) effectively says that the entire province has been on permanent Daylight Savings time since the Spring of that year. If the United States chooses to lengthen the amount of time they are on DST, I say "Welcome! Bring a couple of more months and stay the whole year." Just note that Saskatchewan is that little rectangele of CST that sticks into the MST. Can it get more obviouse than that? Faced with all the facts, I will still encounter people who say "Hyuck. You don't know how to change your watch."

Adoption of North American standard for DST

According to this article by the NRC, there is already some adoption of the standard, though it seems unclear on details:

“ In Canada, Time Zones and Daylight Saving Time usually have been regulated by provincial and territorial governments.

Starting in 2007, clocks following the new North American standard for Daylight Saving Time are to be turned forward by one hour on the second Sunday in March and turned back on the first Sunday of November.

”

So, what is this statement saying? That in 2007 all of Canada adopts this system, or that for those provinces that have adopted this system, this is how it works starting in 2007? Mindmatrix 19:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

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Section with unclear purpose

The section "TZ zones" as it currently stands is unclear - it needs an explanation that I cannot provide. I don't know what "Goose_Bay Atlantic Time" refers to. PKT(alk) 17:17, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

1965 Double Daylight Time

The NWT and Yukon territories were on double daylight time in 1965. This is unusual as neither territory was on daylight time previously, except for war time. Any wikipedians know why this was done then? I'm guessing it was unpopular and somewhat pointless that far north in the summer. Skywayman (talk) 07:19, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Title

Suggest rename Timezones in Canada. Peter Grey 07:54, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

The sentence "Canada is divided into six time zones and ranks sixth among countries with respect to number of time zones, after France (twelve), Russia (eleven), the United States (nine), Australia (nine) and the United Kingdom (eight)." is (a) misleading and (b) incorrect.

Someone is probably trying to say that the United Kingdom AND the British Overseas Territories have eight timezones between them, but this is not explained or clarified.

The B.O.T. are not part of the UK ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_overseas_territories ) It is likely that the other countries are similarily defined to be seperate from their overseas territories.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_zone#Additional_information states Russia has eleven time zones, including Kaliningrad on the Baltic Sea. France also has eleven time zones including those of France, French Guiana and numerous islands, inhabited and uninhabited. The United States has ten time zones (nine official plus that for Wake Island and its Antarctic stations). Australia has nine time zones (one unofficial and three official on the mainland plus four for its territories and one more for an Antarctic station not included in other time zones). The United Kingdom has eight time zones for itself and its overseas territories. Canada has six official time zones. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.235.234.154 (talk) 18:31, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

I should remove United Kingdom, in fact, I may remove the entire paragraph for being original research. — RVJ (talk) 22:20, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

This article

[1] claims that most time zone "quirks" are the result of residents of certain areas unofficially not following the time zone officially applicable. Should this not be pointed out in the article? 91.84.81.164 (talk) 10:30, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

The article certainly requires expansion. Many of the links included at the end of the article should be used as references instead, including the one you mention. Mindmatrix 14:41, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

NAO vs CIA??

The section on Atlantic Time gives two different descriptions for the part of Quebec in that time zone, with the notations NAO and CIA, but with no explanation for what those notations mean. I'm guessing that one is de jure and the other de facto, but that's just a guess. Can someone clarify that bit? Lincmad (talk) 06:17, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Reformatted

I found the layout of the listing very confusing as to what areas do/don't observe DST, so I reworked it from scratch, listing for each time zone first the areas that do not, then the areas that do observe DST. (I put them in that order so that they flow more naturally from west to east, since, for example, PDT and MST are the same.) I also removed the erroneous reference to Tungsten, NWT, as being in PST with no DST; that was clearly wrong, since that would put a tiny town of fewer than 200 people on the Yukon/NWT border effectively in Alaska Daylight Time in the summer. The new format could probably still use some more polish, but I do think it's an improvement. Lincmad (talk) 08:59, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Southeastern B.C.

The time zone map in the article is great, but there are a few inaccuracies that I have noticed.

Southeastern B.C. uses Mountain Standard/Daylight Time, but the map currently shows this region using Pacific Standard/Daylight Time. The map at the Atlas of Canada site shows the extent of this region.

Also, the Lloydminster region that uses Mountain Standard/Daylight Time is larger than indicated on the current version. Indefatigable (talk) 16:59, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

I just came on here as well noticing that the map is incorrect in regards to Southeastern BC being on mountain time. I would be happy to edit the image but I don't know how to upload the edited image to replace this image once I'm done. If someone could give me a link with instructions, I'll go ahead and do it. I couldn't find any information about how to do it. Thanks. Air.light (talk) 06:02, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

I the creator of the map, have updated these changes mentioned, and will gladly fix any other inaccuracies on any of my maps, just contact me on my talk page, and the problems will be solved. – Phoenix B 1of3 (talk) 18:26, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Map

An overall map showing the complete picture of the time zones would be very helpful. Also, a detail map of each of the time zones would be a good presentation at each of the sub-headings. Just some thoughts on the article. HJKeats 17:01, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

• ("map requested" template has been removed)

Requesting a map which would replace this and be clearer. RJFJR 16:59, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

The existing map also has an overlap problem. The Atlantic Timezone is shown as AST = UTC-4 and ADT = UTC-3. Part of that area is the Newfoundland timezone, UTC-3:30 in winter and UTC-2:30 in summer.

The problem is that the two timezones, AST/ADT and NST/NDT are shown in the same exact color.

I've found maps that show Standard and Daylight Savings timezone boundaries as two separate maps. These are significantly better maps than the current one. I'm in the process of checking to see if they can be used freely. Ge0nk (talk) 23:15, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Daylight saving time

No. Canada was not the first place to adopt Summer time. Shackleton's expedition adopted it on 1915-09-26. "South", Chapter IV. They were at some place, albeit adrift there. 94.30.84.71 (talk) 21:50, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

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Southampton Island, Nunavut

Please see the discussion I have started at Talk:Time in Nunavut#Southampton Island — is the westernmost tip in a different zone than the rest of the island?. It is relevant to this article but for convenience please reply at the other talk page to keep discussion in one place. Mathew5000 (talk) 01:22, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Yukon division into two zones (1966-1975)

The chart in the article describes south Yukon and north Yukon using a meridian that actually divides east from west. That makes no sense.

In my research, I have determined that Timeanddate.com gives a date of 28-May-1967 for Whitehorse to change from UTC-9 to UTC-8, used ever after along with DST seasonally from 1980 to 2019, and the same website gives a date of 28-Oct-1973 for Dawson and Old Crow to make the same change; it gives no information before 1970 for Carmacks, Faro and Mayo, so presumably, they changed with Whitehorse. Dawson and Old Crow are west of 138 degrees. A 1972 tourist highway map shows a time zone boundary that separates the western part of the territory into "Yukon West Standard Time" and the areas east of it is designated as "Yukon Standard Time", being UTC-9 and UTC-8, respectively.

My best reasoning is that the "Yukon West Standard Time" was the zone created in 1967 by moving most of the territory onto PST (the new value for "Yukon Standard Time"), and the remainder on Yukon Standard Time was, while confusing to outsiders, known locally as "Yukon West Standard Time" until abolition in October 1973. I lived in Yukon from 1981 to 2007, and even I don't understand why there was an attachment to using the name Yukon Standard Time (instead of the matching Pacific Standard Time) when it no longer matched the original official UTC offset. In any case, as of October 1983, the former Yukon Standard Time was renamed Alaska Standard Time, while the former Alaska-Hawaii Standard Time (UTC-10) was renamed Bering-Hawaii Standard Time.

area	date	UTC offset	identification	locations	remarks
whole	settlement until 20-Aug-1900		local solar time	all communities
whole	20-Aug-1900 to 28 May 1967	-9	Yukon Standard Time	all communities	ident matches usual time zone association
west	28-May 1967-28 Oct 1973	-9	Yukon West Standard Time	Dawson, Old Crow	actually matches Yukon Standard Time Zone
east	28-May-1967-28 Oct 1973	-8	Yukon Standard Time	Whitehorse, Carmacks, Faro, Mayo	actually matches Pacific Standard Time Zone
whole	28-Oct-1973 into 1980s	-8	Yukon Standard Time (name eventually fell into disuse)	all communities	actually matches Pacific Standard Time Zone

Can we amend the chart to say Western instead of Northern, and Eastern instead of Southern? GBC (talk) 23:13, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Yukon time zone

The current map and chart of time zones on this page shows Yukon as under year-round Mountain Standard Time (UTC-7). Although this is effectively correct, this is technically inaccurate, as Yukon is officially on year-round Pacific Daylight Time. I haven't edited the page because this will require changing the map as well.

Talu42 (talk) 23:13, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

It is true that in April the Yukon government announced that the territory would remain on Pacific Daylight Time. However, the actual legislation does not use the terms "Pacific Time" or "Pacific Daylight Time" so I believe it is invalid to claim that Yukon is officially on year-round Pacific Daylight Time.

Current convention will dictate that any part of North America that places itself on permanent UTC-7 will be considered to be on Mountain Standard Time regardless of any wording in the legislation or in the government news releases.MapGrid (talk) 04:49, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Yeah no, if they say so themselves, then that's what we go with... we go with the sources, and it's hard to beat the government actually saying "Pacific Daylight Time all year" as a source. —Joeyconnick (talk) 07:01, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

In the survey which was conducted in January and February of 2020, the Yukon government listed one of the options as "year-round Pacific Daylight Saving Time (UTC-7)". In my opinion, the survey was well written because it was free of ambiguities that have appeared in other Canadian time zone surveys. Everybody who filled out the survey could easily relate to the term Pacific Daylight Time because it was already being observed for half the year. If the survey had presented an option to use "year-round Mountain Standard Time (UTC-7)", it would likely have confused some percentage of the respondents.

In keeping in line with the wording from the survey, the Yukon government published a news release in April 2020 stating that Yukon would remain on Pacific Daylight Saving Time.

However it is not clear that the government ever intended to enforce the name Pacific Daylight Time as that could be considered to conflict with its own Interpretation Act. Furthermore, the government has had no choice but to accept that we live in a world driven by electronic clocks and calendars that do not currently cater to the concept of permanent daylight saving time.

Specifically:

• Microsoft has never provided an option for permanent daylight saving time, thus Windows computers must be set to "(UTC-07:00 Mountain Time (US & Canada)" with the adjustment for daylight saving disabled.
• The IANA time zone database which is used on all Linux, Android, and UNIX devices has traditionally avoided placing any region on permanent daylight saving time. America/Whitehorse timestamps will show the MST time zone identifier which represents (Mountain Standard Time). This good because it aligns with existing database entries for America/Fort_Nelson, America/Dawson_Creek, and America/Creston that are all on permanent Mountain Standard Time.

In the three publications released since the beginning of September, the Yukon government has only used the name Pacific Daylight Saving Time when referring directly to survey results.

1 On September 22/2020 the government created this web page: Seasonal Time Change; it provides details on the change (or lack of change). The web page refers to the newly adopted time zone as simply "the new Yukon time"; it then proceeds to list nine equivalent time zones:

• Coordinated Universal Time -7 (UTC -7)
• Greenwich Mean Time -7 (GMT -7)
• Mountain Standard Time
• UTC -7 Yukon
• Whitehorse
• America/Dawson
• America/Whitehorse
• Canada/Yukon
• Arizona*

The astute reader will notice that permanent Daylight Pacific Saving Time did not make the list! The only reference in the entire web page to Pacific Daylight Saving Time appears in the context of survey results near the very bottom of the page.

2 On September 24,2020 the Yukon government created Order in Council 2020/125 which redefines the legal time in Yukon. The text is completely devoid of the word Pacific.

3 Also on September 24/2020, the government published a news article titled: Yukon to remain on permanent time. I encourage you to take a minute to absorb the hidden meanings and implications of that title! The news article summarizes the Council Order while again carefully minimizing use of the word Pacific. The term permanent Pacific Daylight Saving Time does appear once in the article, but it is only in the context of survey results and not in the contexts of future direction or legislation.

If California and the rest of North America succeed in scrapping the bi-annual clock changes, then the names all North American time zone names may need to be reconsidered. For now, Yukon can enjoy being on permanent Mountain Standard Time along with its immediate neighbors in northeastern BC. Incidentally, Environment Canada is already showing weather reports with an MST time stamp. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MapGrid (talk • contribs) 23:57, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

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