Talk:Starkiller (Star Wars: The Force Unleashed)

Category:Fictional slaves

I'm not really sure if Starkiller counts as a "slave", per say... It's always muddy determining these things when fiction's involved... Harry Blue5 (talk) 18:35, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't think this is an appropriate cat., esp. since the article itself doesn't mention the notion of him being Vader's "slave." --EEMIV (talk) 19:19, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Shall I remove it then? I understand why it was applied (he probably fits the term slave as it is in the real-world, but again, he's fiction. I think there was also a quote, but that was more of a metaphorical usage), but I dont think it's appropriate. Harry Blue5 (talk) 20:32, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Sure you can remove it. I saw that category removed on the Darth Vader article one time and I can understand why. There can be a difference between the term servant/padawan and slave. At least to some's point of view. So it's no big loss if removed. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 23:36, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Image

On the turkish Wikipedia's article on Starkiller they have a much better image. Would there be any problems or fair use violations by replacing the current image with theirs? Harry Blue5 (talk) 18:10, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Did someone photoshop the image from it's background, or are those jaggies just the model itself? (Lightsaber makes me think the latter.) Anyhow, I'd feel more comfortable with more precise sourcing -- from the web site? the load screen? edited from its background in the game? etc. --EEMIV (talk) 19:31, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

According to the description, it is a screenshot of Star Wars: The Force Unleashed. The translation might not be perfect though, but going by the description it's probably from the game itself in someway. However, using the character renders I got from here (which is where the current image is from), it exactly matches what, if cropped, the image of the Apprentice is. So, yeah. Harry Blue5 (talk) 19:59, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Nvm. I changed the current image to .png and it looks okay. If someone could make it transparant that'd be awesome, but it's fine for now. Harry Blue5 (talk) 21:05, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Jacob Nion?

Just asking, I remember mention of his name being Jacob Nion early in the release cycle and then changed to Galen Marek. I don't have a reliable reference to back it up, but if I find one i'll post it here. But bringing it up for posterity. Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 00:58, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Er, you know what forget it. A quick google search shows that there really is no mention of this name outside of Wikias and forums. That stinks, a name change is always good for Development sections, oh well. Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 01:06, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Homeworld Infobox

I'm not sure whether homeworld should be in the infobox. Yes, it's standard for Star Wars characters, but I think in the case of Starkiller, it's really not an important detail and is trivial. The article doesn't even state his homeworld apart from in the infobox. Harry Blue5 (talk) 19:25, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

I think like we said at WT:FCHAR, if it is trivial, don't mention it. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 19:35, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Went ahead and removed it. Harry Blue5 (talk) 19:47, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Starkiller/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Subzerosmokerain (talk) 23:31, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)

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Wow i'm impressed by the article as a whole, I wish I could help improve it but I see few necessary improvements for GA. However, I will make some commentary on references.

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   References 9, 11, 28 have GameSpot wikilinked, overlinking I believe. 6, 7, 22, 26, 30, 31, 34, 35, 41, 42 all have IGN wikilinked, also overlink. 36, 38-40 are also overlinked with GameDaily. Ref 43 and 44 have Game Informer wikilinked, pick one also italicize Game Informer in ref 44. Refs 3, 4, 33, 39 have UGO all wikilinked, plus 4 is only UGO, change it to UGO Networks. 2and 5 do not have StarWars.com italicized, italicize. Unwikilink Gamesradar in ref 45. Unwikilink Joystiq in ref 27.

    Done Harry Blue5 (talk) 23:54, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   Send me a message on my talk when you've finished Alrighty then, this article is GA. Impressive work. I need to get some tips from you for reference finding.

Image

I think that Starkiller has a slightly different look in TFU II. If anyone can find a good image of him in TFU II, should we change it to that? Shame to lose the current image really, with it's awesome lightsabre transparency, but generally things tend to use the most recent image. Harry Blue5 (talk • contribs) 10:30, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, the real guideline is to use the most popular image, or the most recognizable. Usually sequels become more popular then the original, so an updated image is needed. Having the best image possible to display the character is the most important though. Looking at this, there doesn't appear to be a better image. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 11:03, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

The most common image of the character is the best main image. Now if you want a sequel image to be on here outside of the lead at all you will have to think of a good commentary or something to make it useful for the article. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 15:00, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

By the way I would say this or this is the most common image of him in the sequel. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 15:07, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Neither of those images really demonstrate the character that well. The second one has him screaming for some reason, and the first still has him pulling some sort of weird face. Ah well, the current image seems to be good enough as it is. Harry Blue5 (talk • contribs) 16:53, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

I do agree I still preferred the one that's already on here. The second one is sort of already on the TFU II article already on the video game poster anyways. We might have more image updates in the future though. :) Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 18:28, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Infobox question

Should the affiliation part of the infobox really have a "Formally" bit? For reasons similar to how all fictional things are in the present tense and all that jazz. Harry Blue5 (talk • contribs) 22:01, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Image of Lord Starkiller

Would an image of Lord Starkiller (i.e. the dark side version of Starkiller at the end of TFU and in Ultimate Sith Edition) be appropriate for this article (specifically either this or a cropped this)? I know I've brung this up before and it was shot down, but I think this image is necessary to understand critical commentary of the design by GamesRadar. For a caption I was thinking this:

"In the dark side ending of The Force Unleashed Starkiller is made the Emporer's apprentice. This redesign was reused in the Ultimate Sith Edition of the game. GamesRadar criticised the design for being just "Vader with Boba Fett’s helmet"."

Thoughts? If we can have the picture, which one? – Harry Blue5 (talk • contribs) 20:15, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

So the first image. I am planning to upload the image to Wikipedia right now and you can decide for yourself.  :) I can't promise you that it won't be high resolution though. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 00:07, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

It's there. What do you think? I am preferring a lower resolution of it in the future though. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 00:23, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

I just went ahead and lowered the size. It's amazing the amount of resolution you can lose by simply resizing an image. – Harry Blue5 (talk • contribs) 00:46, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

I bet. But you do like it on the article right? Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 00:48, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Yup. – Harry Blue5 (talk • contribs) 01:18, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Battlefront II

The Battlefront II isn't from a fanmod is it? I don't have the PC version, but it seems odd that Starkiller would appear in DLC for a 2005 game. – Harry Blue5 (talk • contribs) 18:33, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

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