Talk:Professional Esports Association

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 16:16, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that the Professional Esports Association suspended its plans for a Counter-Strike: Global Offensive league four months after its announcement? Source: TSN
  • ALT1: ... that esports player Sean Gares was fired from Team Solomid in 2016 after supporting a letter that criticized the Professional Esports Association? Source: GameRevolution ESPN
  • Comment: My fourth DYK. Suggestions and changes welcome.

On a side note, I'm not quite sure what tense to use. On one hand, there is no evidence of this organization being active after 2017, and its website went down in 2019. However, I also couldn't find any RS mentioning an official disbanding, except for its California LLC dissolving in 2021. The company was incorporated in Delaware, which charges $10 to inquire about the status of an LLC.

5x expanded by Yeeno (talk). Self-nominated at 23:25, 3 January 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article was recently expanded 5x, is long enough and well sourced. qpq is not needed since nominator has less than 5 dyk credits. No copyvio detected on Earwig. Both hooks are cited and interesting. This one's good to go! BuySomeApples (talk) 06:16, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

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Promoting the main hook to Prep 4 – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 16:16, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 05:54, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Welcome to GA, Yeeno! You're almost there: just some copy tidying and also me wanting to spread the good word about alt text. 7-day hold. Ping when done. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:54, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Copy changes

• Throughout: When quoting a sentence fragment at the end of a sentence and not an entire sentence, put the quotation mark before the period. e.g. that amounted to "terminating the [North American] division of the ESL Pro League". instead of that amounted to "terminating the [North American] division of the ESL Pro League." This occurs quite a bit.
• Capitalize the M in "SoloMid"

 Done Yeeno (talk) 21:56, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

• Move "which included many European esports teams" before "by ESL" so that it reads the World Esports Association (WESA), which included many European esports teams, by ESL.

 Done Yeeno (talk) 21:56, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

• Consider decapitalizing the title "Vice President of Global Marketing"

 Done Yeeno (talk) 21:56, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

• After the letter's release, TSM player Sean "sgares" Gares published a conversation between him and TSM owner Andy Dinh, in which Dinh expresses his intention to replace Gares over his lack of communication with Dinh before the letter was published I'd use "expressed" over "expresses" and remove the comma after Dinh.

 Done Yeeno (talk) 21:56, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

• with the organization citing its deteriorating relationship with its remaining players, and the latter's desire to continue playing with Gares Remove unneeded comma

 Done Yeeno (talk) 21:56, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

• The letter also reaffirmed the league's "contractual right to decide where their players compete", but offered Remove the comma: User:Sammi Brie/Commas in sentences

 Done Yeeno (talk) 21:56, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

• was still active behind-the-scenes, and that it was Remove the comma, same reason

 Done Yeeno (talk) 21:56, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

• As of July 2019, the association consists of nine member organizations Should this be past tense if there is doubt as to its continued existence?

 Done, makes sense here given "As of". @Sammi Brie: I'm unsure of what tense to use elsewhere, since there isn't definitive evidence that the org disbanded. I personally doubt it still exists, as their website is down and its California LLC was terminated in 2021. (I couldn't check its status in Delaware, where the company was incorporated, as inquiries cost $10) Yeeno (talk) 21:56, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Sourcing and spot checks

Two of 30 items are marked as potentially unreliable: one is a video that is quoted, and the other is the Medium-hosted statement which is used as a primary source and understandably so.

@Sammi Brie: So will the video source be okay? I opted to use it because it was published by a former esports news site (part of SportsGrid, which is now a sports-only news site) and produced by video game journalist Zorine Te, who has previously written for GameSpot and other RS. She also wrote an article accompanying the video, but the URL for that is permanently dead AFAIK except for a small snippet that is on some aggregator site. Yeeno (talk) 22:10, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

@Yeeno Yeah, it's fine, and it's also used as an attributable quote. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 00:37, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

The highest Earwig percentage is 27% from a TSN article that has the quote about the PEA suspending the CS:GO league, which is attributed. This is fine.

Five of the 30 items were chosen at random for spot checks.

• 1: Engadget coverage of the PEA launch includes the claimed Jason Katz quote, "stable, healthy, long-term environment for the players". Y
• 7: Esports Insider article notes, Katz is the former COO at Azubu. Y
• 8: A press release from the Championship Gaming Series attesting Katz's employment and job title there. ABOUTSELF in this case, used in conjunction with other references. Y
• 18: Mentions statements by TSM teammates diverging from that of Dinh. Y
• 19: ESPN article on the ex-CS:GO unit of TSM being signed by Misfits. Y

No issues.

Other items

• The only two images on the page are a current and former logo, both below TOO in the United States. Though not part of the GA spec per se, I do ask for this to encourage editors to learn: add alt text to describe the logos (as if you could not see them on the page).

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