Talk:Nintendo Switch

Reception

Many outlets compared the unit to that of the Steam Deck. Valve stated that by happenstance, they came out with a device that was similar in function to the Switch. The Verge stated that generally, the Steam Deck was a more powerful machine compared to the Switch, but that power came with a tradeoff in battery life which was greater with the Switch. 78.144.96.156 (talk) 16:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Since the Deck came after the Switch, it doesn't make sense to make the reverse-order comparison. On the Steam Deck page, comparison to the Switch absolutely makes sense. Masem (t) 16:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

References

Predecessor

I went back and read the prior discussion and I don’t understand why we aren’t listing the Wii U *and* the 3DS as a predecessor. On the 3DS page we list the Switch as its successor. I get that the Switch breaks the normal definitions of console and handheld, and Nintendo doesn’t want to put labels on it, but it’s clearly become Nintendo’s de facto handheld too. RickyCourtney (talk) 18:47, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

That the 3DS lists the Switch as a successor doesn't mean that's right. We go by what Nintendo has said in that the Switch's design is a successor of the Wii U, but not the 3DS. Just because it is a handheld system doesn't make it a successor to the last handheld. Masem (t) 21:51, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate Masem's point regarding Nintendo's official stance. However, for our classifications, wouldn't it be beneficial to consider both Nintendo's official statements and the objective continuity within the market? The Switch undeniably fills the role of Nintendo's primary handheld device, a role previously held by the 3DS. By listing both the 3DS and Wii U as predecessors, we provide a more comprehensive picture of Nintendo's history for readers. -- RickyCourtney (talk) 23:06, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

The 3DS is mentioned by name 17 times currently in the article. I don't think there's any real confusion as to its role in relation to the Switch and Nintendo's history. Sergecross73 msg me 10:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. That’s why I find it the resistance to listing it as a predecessor in the infobox particularly confounding. RickyCourtney (talk) 15:51, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

My other concern is that this infobox generally feels way too bloated. Sections like display, dimensions, mass, and others could really be better presented in a side-by-side comparison table in the article (See: Game Boy#Technical specifications for a good example). RickyCourtney (talk) 21:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

I fully agree. I'm not sure why every little technical specification has to be listed in the infobox, the place where only the most notable and important details should be. However, I'm not sure why this would prevent '3DS' from being listed in the infobox as a predecessor. A single new line of text really wouldn't make much of a difference in terms of bloating. Loytra (talk) 03:22, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Because Nintendo has said that the 3DS is not a predecessor of the Switch. Masem (t) 03:56, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Nintendo may say that, common sense says otherwise. We do not need to be beholden to what a corporation says.

If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it just might be a duck. The switch looks like a handheld, it acts like a handheld, so it just might be a handheld… and therefore should be included as the successor to the 3DS as Nintendo’s handheld. I think I get why Nintendo doesn’t want that “handheld” label applied, but that’s a job for their branding and PR team to figure out, not for Wikipedia editors to treat as gospel. RickyCourtney (talk) 05:24, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

It still falls as original research. People want the switch which can be used as a handheld to be considered a successor to the 3DS because that was the last handheld Nintendo made, but we use those fields to talk more specifically from the technology standpoint, and the Switch is technically very far from the 3DS and much closer to how the Wii U was developed. Masem (t) 12:29, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

What you're describing is called original research on Wikipedia. Sergecross73 msg me 12:52, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I've found one source directly proclaiming the Switch to be the 3DS's successor ("It might not be as portable as its predecessor, but this is Nintendo’s follow-up to the DS line of consoles"), three articles claiming the Switch Lite is it's successor ([1][2] [3]), and a couple others indirectly describing the Switch Lite as something of a 3DS successor ([4][5][6][7]). Still not sure if this warrants a mention of the 3DS in the infobox, but it's something to note. Loytra (talk) 10:00, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

The Online services are no longer referred to as the "Nintendo Network"

Ripped from the Security section

In April 2018, two separate groups discovered a method to use an exploit chain in the Tegra chip system that can be used to boot other software on the Switch. The exploit could not be patched through a software update, as the BootROM of the Tegra X1 can not be modified after the chip leaves the factory. Both groups had notified Nvidia and Nintendo of the exploit before publicly announcing their findings. Users studying the hardware determined that Nintendo has the capacity to permanently ban specific Switch consoles used to obtain software via this exploit from the Nintendo Network, as the Switch console includes a unique device identification code used as part of the validation to the Network. As games downloaded from the Nintendo Network include encrypted information that ties the Nintendo ID to the console, which is transmitted to Nintendo when users start playing games, Nintendo can track unapproved software downloads and take action. Nintendo has reportedly fixed the vulnerability in newer Switch units as of July 2018.

Nintendo Network and Nintendo ID should not be used here. Nintendo ID should instead be console ID and Nintendo Network should be referred to as "Nintendo's online services" instead. Network should no longer be capitalized. I am unable to edit this as I can't edit any semi secured pages yet BeanWiiU (talk) 21:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2024

Change wording on Facebook/Twitter integration from ""Instead, profiles can be linked to existing social networks such as Facebook and Twitter for social and sharing features" to "Instead, profiles could be linked to existing social networks such as Facebook and X (then Twitter) for social and sharing features, though integration with X has since been removed" to reflect that integration with Twitter (now X) has been removed (under Online services section).

Change a sentence in the following paragraph reflecting this as well, from "Support for registering friends on the Switch via Facebook and Twitter was added on March 13, 2018, as part of the 5.0.0 system update" to "Support for registering friends on the Switch via Facebook and X (then Twitter) was added on March 13, 2018, as part of the 5.0.0 system update, though support for X was removed as part of the 18.1.0 system update."

Source for these changes: https://www.ign.com/articles/nintendo-switch-update-1810-pulls-xtwitter-support-bringing-it-in-line-with-playstation-and-xbox

or any other news site that reported this MossMan666 (talk) 15:19, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

 Already done  Partly done: First request already fulfilled, did second request. TheNuggeteer (talk) 14:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

New accessory shown

Nintendo of japans instagram account just shown a new joy con charger accessory. It shows a charging stand and a joycon charger, I’m not sure if it’s 2 different types of chargers or if it’s one device, this is was revealed around 45 minutes ago and is apparently called the joy-con charging stand Khai does searching (talk) 02:13, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

We would need sources of an actual announcement to be able to include it in the article per WP:V. Sergecross73 msg me 10:36, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

it's now officially announced [8] but I feel that's better to include on the Joy-Con page. — Masem (t) 12:30, 18 July 2024 (UTC)