Talk:Naukane

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Just dashed this off quickly. I'll try to add a bit more detail later if there's time. I'll also properly link to this page from various other pages, when I find the time. Also need to add hatnote disambig for Coxe and redirect pages for John Coxe. For now I have to run.

Just to note, I just did these things, if quickly. Pfly (talk) 19:33, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I also wanted to point out that the page Arms in the Northwest says Naukane was one of the first party to navigate the entire Columbia River from mouth to source, but other better sources point out that Thompson left the Columbia and took the Snake and went overland to Spokane House, so this claim seems false. More later. Pfly (talk) 16:35, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

new cat?

There's gonna be a lot of Kanakas with articles connected to the hsitory of North America; Category:Native Hawaiian people in North American history seems like a good idea (as oposed to "in the Pacific Northwest" or equivalents because California was part of the equation. BTW pfly one book you can probably find used, but realtively new, is Tom Koppel's Kanaka....largely a light read, though full of useful facts.Skookum1 (talk) 19:22, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Yea maybe so. It's a topic a bit beyond me. The only other Hawaiian of note in the early history of the PNW that I know by name with a page is Towereroo. Naukane seemed striking for his overland trip across North America in 1812 or so. Rather remarkable! Pfly (talk) 19:32, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Again more common than you'd know - but always remarkable. One of the passages I read recently on Fort William, in describing who was tehre, mentioend not only Hawaiians but an East Indian; fur company forts were amazingly cosmopolitan; Kanakas were regularly parts of the crews on the Express, just as Iroquoians/Abenaki could be found on staff at Fts Astoria and Vancouver, Spokane, Colville etc.....Skookum1 (talk) 20:09, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Simpson's journals sadly aren't online; I don't think so anyway; but there's a great passage describing his arrival at Fort Vancouver, including his comments about the conduct and argot used by the Kanakas; I came across it in the Columbia chapter in Jan Morris's Pax Brittannica series of books - which are an enjoyable read and, as usual with Morris, highly perceptive as well as beautifully descriptive.Skookum1 (talk) 20:10, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

There's more than you're aware of, and more articles for Kanakas of note for sure; you might want to hvae a look at http://www.fortlangley.ca as there's various bios there, including for Kanaka workers and their decendants.Skookum1 (talk) 19:34, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually I thought one during my shower - Captain (William?) Browne you'll find mentioned on Steamboats of the Upper Fraser River, who was Kanaka; NB maybe that new cat shuld be Category:Kanakas in North America as "Kanaka" refers to Native Hawaiian descent as much as it does to people from Hawaii (which Browne and otehrs were not). Pretty sure the respective BC cats adn templtes should be here, I'll check with fortlangley.ca...Skookum1 (talk) 19:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

This is the HBC employee list, with lots of "Sandwich Islanders" on it, and this is the first 25 employees at Fort Langley; seeing Peopoeh brings to mind Joe Paopao) who was, though Native Hawaiian and also in British Columbia, not a "Kanaka" according to the usual meaning of hte term in English (kanaka-maolie means "Native Hawaiian" in Hawaiian, though). Mike Carney, former nat'l team downhill skier, is also Kanaka by descent....Skookum1 (talk) 19:54, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Son of Kamanawa

For some reason, Samuel Kamakau said Noukana, the son of Kamanawa, accompanied King Kamehameha II to London on page 256 of his book Ruling Chiefs of Hawaii. Either Kamakau is wrong, or this man is a high chief, or John Coxe Naukane didn't go to London, it was really Noukana. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 09:55, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

This should be added at a later time.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 10:04, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

In the mob was Naukane, the small son of Chief Kamanawa.1 At first glance, Coxe and Naukane appear to be two different people — Naukane an alii of high birth, Coxe a fur trapper who ended his days tending pigs. Nevertheless, Naukane and Coxe may well have been one and the same.2

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