Talk:List of characters in Red vs. Blue/Archive 2

Vic's Jingle

I think it's important to have Vic's Jingle at least mentioned...as part of the scheme of his annoyance, and I totally forgot-what episode does Church and Doc mention it?

Checking back, it's Episode 80 "Baby Steps". Frostmourne 16 21:32, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

We should make a separate page for each section in the characters page because it is very long. —Preceding unsigned comment added by O'Malley II (talk • contribs)

Survey

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~

• Oppose; If we have more than one page for the minor characters people unfamiliar with Red vs Blue or beginning t learn about it will get confused, and anyway, there are other "Minor characters in (whatever)" pages that are FAR longer than this one. Dac 23:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
• Strong oppose. (This isn't a "requested move"; it's a requested split, by the way.) (a) List articles are given more leeway with respect to length. (b) Minor characters do njot enough out-of-universe information to support a separate page, and would most likely end up re-merged in the end. — TKD::Talk 01:26, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose, though I've been wanting to bring up the possibility of an article for, say, O'Malley. -- Viewdrix 02:05, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose, I deem it unnecessary and cumbersome.--Doncroft 01:20, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Support I totally agree with the idea of splitting it up, also, if you're looking for someone (say Vic) and you have to look through all the other names (which btw, takes Bold textFOREVER!!Bold text so with that being said, and the fact that no way should it confuse other people no introduced to RVB. I was confused the very first time I even read the plot summary!! (68.216.187.39 02:31, 7 July 2007 (UTC))
• Oppose This idea would be a timely, and tedious task, which might add a lot of pages which could unknowningly be deleted. -Ergna-
• Support Though not for all characters. O'Malley, Lopez, Sheila, Doc, and Wyoming have very long entries and are just as major to the series as the Reds and Blues. Someone like Yellow Church, The Red Zealot, even Andy and Gary, should stay in one place because there simply isn't enough to warrant a seperare article. Yunno, just my $.02 EdenMaster 15:59, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose. Something as major as this is going to crunch up a lot of time and effort just making up those new articles, and God knows what might happen when we're doing that. Better leave the original article in one piece lest we want to crash the whole thing up straight to hell. Frostmourne 16 09:46, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

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DOC

first, shouldn't doc, be considerd part of blue team as off season 5, since he spends most of the time as a blue team person or alteaST acts like one? and dosn't he deserve a page? also, should the fact that he seems to becoming extremly demented, look aT season 5, part one, that proves he has gone more and more insane?--Cody6 02:56, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that all of that is original research.--Drat (Talk) 03:29, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Officially, Doc straddles the line between the two sides; to claim otherwise without objective proof from reliable primary or secondary sources would be original research, which is not allowed. As for the issue of the separate page, characters should have separate pages only if there is enough out-of-universe (essentially non-plot and non-original-research) information for them to sustain an article about them. — TKD::Talk 03:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, in one of the episodes early in season 5, when Church is freaking out about how poorly defended the blues are, Doc states that he is a neutral party in this.

As for the so called "insanity", I haven't really noticed anything about him being insane. He is definately weird though, but I think he's always been weird. I mean, for the majority of his apperances, we only see him coming in and interupting O'Malley at random points (and those times he had that same weird-ness to him). He wasn't much of a chracter, so we never really knew him, we only knew him as the host of O'Malley. But now with O'Malley gone, he's become his real self. Basically, he reverted to that nerdy guy we met back in early season two. Voicingmaster 06:42, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Sister's last name.

Would it be wrong to assume that the sister to Dexter Grif would share his last name? -- Viewdrix 20:21, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't be. Where were you thinking of placing it? Dac 06:54, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Her little section. Have it say "Last name: Grif", just like how Wyoming says "First name: Reginald". Guess I'll do that now. -- Viewdrix 14:40, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

how can sister be appart of the rvb characters? if they are in the future and the only way they got there was by the bomb how could she have joined? she wasnt present at the explosion

They explained it in her introduction episode: something about a the engine of the ship surpassing light-speed. -- Viewdrix 23:53, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Don't try to make sense of inconsistencies in RvB; it's meant mostly for comic purposes and things change all the time. What's consistent is the personalities of the characters (and sometimes not even those). As for Grif's sister's last name, I had previously put Grif in as her last name, and people here removed it, calling it "unsubsatiated conjecture." Something like that anyway. I personally think it's a fair thing to assume, but apparently others do not. --Doncroft 01:29, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

If Grif is Grif's last name, then Grif's sister, assuming she is not married, also shares his last name, unless they have different fathers. 152.23.196.162 04:56, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

I think that is one assumption that is fairly safe. If it's somehow proven false, easy fix.--Doncroft 02:16, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

M12LRV

Should we not also know the "Worthog" as a Puma also? Sence it was said atleast twice in its existence.

No, it was never an official name. Chupathingy, at least, is on its character profile. Dac 22:48, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Junior

Hey i was wondering. Shouldn't Junior be listed as part of the Blue team, and not a reacuring un-affeiliated character.

peace-Threewaysround 20:48, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

In light of recent events, I believe that is acceptable. He's already listed as such in the character template anyway. Dac 22:48, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

ok i'll move him up -Threewaysround 23:58, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Also, Junior said 'Bowchickabowow' in Episode 94. Is it notable that he said something other than Honk or Blarg? --Rabin 14:43, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

it kinda sounds like he said it with blargs and honks, but it's not really that important yet. Keep it in mind, but dont' put it in yet. If he says it again or something else then it would be a bit more important but not yet really.

peace-Threewaysround 19:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I tend to agree. One-time jokes unrelated to the overall "big picture" generally aren't important enough to mention individually. — TKD::Talk 21:11, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually, he said "bow chicka honk honk", incorporating his honks into his mother/father's catch phrase10aciouspoop 00:51, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

It's not "Blarg chicka honk honk" then? And one more thing, Tucker started calling Junior by that name first in PSA 15 "Let's All Go To the Movies", which came before Episode 91. So, now what? Frostmourne 16 09:51, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Vic Jr and his identity

It has already been noted in the article that Gary is probably (I believe the wording is "actually") the AI Gamma from Agent Wyoming. Now it's been hinted at just as much that Vic Jr. is not a descendent of Vic but rather Vic himself. First of all, they made it clear that Vic had no kids and was infertile. Also, it's very, very unlikely that Vic would have a descendent 800 years in the future that looks and sounds exactly like him. We also know that Vic has been a deceiver throughout the series, and we have no reason to believe he is telling the truth about anything. So since the article has acknowledged that Gary is most likely the AI Gamma, should we not also acknowledge that Vic Jr. is probably just an incognito cover for Vic to excuse the supposed 800 year jump that recent evidence is starting to indicate never happened in the first place? My regards.--Doncroft 14:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

This is not original research. This is purely from evidence supplied by the series itself. If this is considered by my fellow users to be mere conjecture, then so should the labeling of Gary as "Gamma" be considered conjecture also. Either add this or remove the stuff about Gary being Gamma. We can't have it both ways.--Doncroft 14:11, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Both are probably not allowed, although there's much more original analysis and synthesis inherent in the first example of Vic and Vic Jr. The Gary/Gamma issue is more readily handled by attributing the identity suspicion to Church. — TKD::Talk 15:49, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

True, but only in that context. I hope that is made clear.--Doncroft 18:02, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I know I'm late, but I believe the "actually" was concerned largely with the fact that we had previously been under the impression that Gary was originally built by the Aliens. Dac 07:23, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

We still don't know that he wasn't. Maybe the ai Gamma has possessed Gary much like O'Malley possessed Caboose and Doc. There's no way of knowing yet. We can't assume that Gary is Gamma. At least not yet.--Doncroft 02:14, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I think you missed my point. I was not trying to support nor decry either theory, just clear up the confusion over the wording. Dac 07:40, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Understood. I'm glad to hear it.--Doncroft 14:19, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree with your assessment, but it'll never be allowed under the OR guidelines. There seem to be some pretty strong hints that Vic IS the computer, especially in the final episode. (In ending #2, when Sarge shoots the computer, Vic says "Ow! That was my heatsink. Now where am I going to sink my heat").

That's an issue that we'll probably have to wait for until the DVD Commentary is available, so for now let's leave it. Dac 01:55, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

One of the DVD endings seem to prove that Vic/Vic Jr is actually the computer below Blood Gulch. When Simmons approached it, Vic disappeard (his voice was heard in the cavern) then when Sarge was shooting the computer in one of the DVD endings, Vic Jr was complaining that he had shot his heat sink. He said something like "You shot my heat sink! Now where am I supposed to sink my f***in heat?" Now why would he make such a comment if he wasn't the computer? 70.16.21.192 19:37, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Because it could be a joke in a comedy series? -- Viewdrix 19:57, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Given O'Malley is "Omega", it's a pretty safe bet that Gary IS Gamma. Frostmourne 16 09:39, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

O'Malley in Church

As of episode 95 there has been speculation that O'Malley is in Church. There has not been conclusive onscreen evidence of this point, but many edits supporting it. I just thought it deserved a mention on this talk page, if not the one for Season V. Ccs4ever 21:58, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Episode 96 already shows that O'Malley's currently possessing Captain Flowers, and Church did say that he was never promoted to Blue Leader officially, so Church is clean for the time being (and presumeably throughout the last few remaining episodes of Season V, unless some unexpected plot twist happens...). Frostmourne 16 12:59, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Clean-up.

Some stuff I feel need to be focused on, just to share some ideas:

• Recent edits, especially of new characters Sister and Junior, have broken down everything by starting sentences with "In episode ______,". Nix this. Write it in proper prose like other characters.
• Appearances need to be added for at least Lopez, O'Malley (maybe when we see his personality. This would be easier to do, since we could just use Edit->Find in web browsers on rvb.roostertooths.com's transcripts for any O'Malley lines.), and Doc. I just added Sheila, including background appearances. I might have missed one or two.
• Appearances in the specials have to be added.
• We need a consensus on episode links. The choices are either trying to keep up linking to individual episodes once per page, or just link every mention. If my first idea is followed through with to eliminate the episode numbers mentioned in prose, I have no qualms with having every episode in Appearance counts be linked to that episode.
• Could we consider spinning off another character or two into main articles? Right now, Sheila, Lopez, Doc, Wyoming and O'Malley seem most likely. All but Wyoming seem notable enough in relation to the other characters on this page to have their own articles.

Just some stuff to think about. -- Viewdrix 20:31, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

The New Alien

We now have two characters for the same thing, Mysterious Alien and New Alien. They need to be harmonized somehow. Ccs4ever 22:48, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm keeping New Alien as a one-time character for now, and removing Mysterious Alien. I only just realized that the popular theory is that it was Flowers and this Alien interrogating Grif, but that's still speculation until confirmed, as there are still some questions, such as why they needed Andy to translate when Flowers was supposedly there. I'm sure it'll be explained soon, but until then, we should wait. -- Viewdrix 00:01, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

It is very much possible that Flowers and the Alien were the two who interrogated Grif. They wouldn't need Andy to talk to Grif; Andy was most likely used for Flowers to talk to the Alien, since it most likely couldn't speak English. However, this isn't known as well, since Andy isn't seen with Flowers and the Alien when they appeared in the caves. Anyways, just thought I'd put my two cents in. Arcanon 00:41, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the two figures in the background were both Covenant Elites, but maybe RoosterTeeth changed its mind. Who knows? We've got to wait. Besides, everyone knows RvB is WAY too erratic and unpredictable to speculate too much about. I still think it's obvious that Vic and Vic Jr. are one in the same, but oh well...--Doncroft 02:11, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I thought it was confirmed in season 3 that the old alien's name was Honk-Honk. Also, is it possible that "Mysterious Alien" and "New Alien" are the same character?

No, that was not confirmed, no name was officially confirmed for it. Dac 23:41, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Caboose named to Alien in blue armor "Crunchbite", but other than that he is never referred to as anything other than "the Alien."--Doncroft 21:27, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

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I Must state that for ALOT of info you watch the season 5 DVD's profiles. Highlight Flowers

and press >>^ for the Other Alien's profile.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.112.159.85 (talk) 14:15, 23 October 2007 (UTC) 

the other alien is called the Great Retriever —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.127.104.65 (talk) 23:56, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

...what? No, he is not. Dac (talk) 01:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

looks like someone's read their dvd profile... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.127.104.65 (talk) 23:46, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Indeed I have. And throwaway jokes in the text, joking on the fact that Church had once speculated that the only adjective they used was "great", are not canon. The actual profile has the title at the top which says "Other Alien", not "Great Retriever". Hence, that's his name. Any attempts to change this will be reverted. Dac (talk) 00:03, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Unconfirmed Captain Flowers info

Two things are repeatedly being added to the Captain Flowers sections that have not been confirmed, so I'm just clarifying the fact that they shouldn't be. First of all: Simmons referring to Flowers when they inspect the bodies. For all we know, he was referring to Church when he was blown up by the tank. Because, do the Reds know of Church's status as a ghost? If not, then for all they know, it was someone else who got shot by Sheila.

Second, the fact that Flowers is wearing blue armour, does NOT mean that it's Tucker's old armour. It may well be, and quite possibly is, but until we know for certain, we can't claim it. Thanks. Dac 08:53, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Sheila's episode appearances

I think we had this discussion once before over which characters require episode appearances, and the consensus was that the last character to be introduced that did not require it was Doc. So, why exactly has Sheila been given it? With her large number of appearances, it makes her section look extremely cluttered, and to add, Lopez, O'Malley and Doc have arguably appeared more infrequently than her but do not have the lists. Is it really necessary for her? Dac 10:48, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I vaguely remember said discussion taking place, but not any decision or consensus being reached. I wanted to add appearances for each character you mentioned (see the "Clean-up" section above, which I posted after adding Sheila's appearances), I just happened to do Sheila first, and she was a bit of effort, so I haven't yet started on the others. For one extra line of text, I don't think it makes her section look "extremely cluttered" at all, in my opinion. -- Viewdrix 16:44, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I would agree with that if the one extra line of text was within the main body, but such a lengthy line as one of the subheadings seems overexcesive. And again, I seem to recall that there was a consensus, which I outlined above. Dac 04:12, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

great destroyer

could junior be the great destroyer way back when everyone was talking about how wyoming and flowers/omally want to get junior wyoming say that he want him because of what he going to do, and omally is iterseted in him, so back when gary/gamma is screaming the great destroyer is arrived could that mean when tucker got pregnate with the alien.

I may agree with you on that - Flowers did say that he was interested in Junior, and Wyoming did say that Junior had a grand destiny to fulfill for those guys. So, yeah, Junior just might be the Great Destroyer (man, I so love plot twists!). Frostmourne 16 12:55, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, we've confirmed that Junior is NOT the Great Destroyer, because the Great Destroyer prophecy revolves around stealing the weapon and using it to destroy everything. However, according to Tucker, the prophecy being fulfilled is the one the Alien told them in Season Four, where the sword is to be used to save their entire species, not kill everything. I think we can be safe saying that the Great Destroyer story was just a ploy for time used by Gary. Dac 23:55, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

There may yet be truth to both prophecies. If you consider the difference in point of view both descriptions may be of the same prophecy. The Alien's prophecy was of salvation of his entire race, while Gary spoke of his death and doom for billions of people. If the aliens and humans are at war to such an extent that it must be "won at all cost" than the salvation of one would undoubtedly be the doom of the other. Just a thought. Ccs4ever 00:40, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Well put like that the possibility is there, but the Alien's prophecy was confirmed in the latest video; anything about the Great Destroyer remains original research so we'll have to wait before anything like that occurs. Dac 00:46, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if this is necessarily true. I could see the "stealing" referring to O'Malley/Wyoming/etc. taking the word to give to Junior, and something or someone coming and taking the sword back to save the species. This is less to try and get my theory recognized, but more to point out that saying Junior isn't the Great Destroyer is as much original research and interpretation as saying he is. -- Viewdrix 01:51, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

My point is for now we should just leave it blank and any implications about the Great Destroyer and Junior in the same sentence should be left out altogether. The clues are pointing towards him not being it, and I'm aware saying either is OR, which is why I haven't added anything to decry it, but yeah. The other prophecy was at least confirmed in the video. Dac 01:53, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Flowers and New Alien appearances

OK, given that there's only one episode to go, I think we can be pretty certain that the two people interrogating Grif in the earlier episode were Flowers and the New Alien, as the colours, species, motivations and weapons are all the same and it's too late in the game to introduce more people to that fold. Plus, Andy's dialogue in episode 97 essentially confirms that anyway. So should we add that episode to their appearances or something? Dac 23:54, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

O'Malley's armour colours and voice actors

That section is looking way too cluttered. Is there some way we can cut that down a size? Something like:

• Armour colour: Grey (Caboose's mental projection), whatever armour colour his host is
• Voice actor: Voice actor of whoever he possesses (except Kathleen Zuelch)

Maybe not the best way, but something just so it isn't so bulky. Any thoughts? Dac 11:06, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Ghost

Can someone make a paragraph for the Ghost vehicle. It's not really a character but there nowhere else to put it. I remember in the last scene of the third ending the Red team had it.

Did Lopez Die?

The article says Lopez was put on the ship but I only saw him when he was brought up with Andy. The only ones I saw on the ship were Tex, Junior, the other alien, and a Wyoming Helmet not Lopez's head, since it was white, not green.

Checking back on the episode, you're right. -- Viewdrix 06:22, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, Lopez didn't really die in the end - the only helmet brought onboard Sheila was from one of the Wyomings. Anybody got any ideas what happened after Blood Gulch? Frostmourne 16 09:35, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Shiela

It is stated that Shiela likes to blow up her team mates when infact it is the driver, most notably Caboose that does the teamkilling. Since Church has turned off the Friendly Fire Protocol.

If you look carefully in further episodes it shows Sheila does have the ability to operate her weapons on her own, though who killed Church is up to debate. -Ergna-

Endings

Most of the characters present in ep 100 reference the "three endings" of the series, but now the DVD is released and there's about twice that, we should go about fixing this. But, to say "died in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 6th endings" or whatever is far too long - how should we go about it? Dac 11:31, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Lopez Hates Grif?

Is there a source that confirms what was on Lopez's readout? Every version I find has it too blurry to read. I know Sarge said Lopez was programmed to hate Grif but I think a source would be good. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BioYu-Gi! (talk • contribs) 22:37, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

It's certainly readable (just) in the DivX version. Needless to say the Hi-res and DVD versions are readable.-Drat (Talk) 02:43, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Warthog name

It says Griff wanted to name the Warthog Puma, but the link leads to Cougar? -_- Shark 20:39, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

They're the same animal, the article is just titled Cougar. Dac 01:04, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Delta's own section?

Delta's info was previously added into York's section but since Recovery One reveals he survived should we branch him off into his own subsection? The S5 DVD credits note his voice actor and his section wouldn't be any shorter than other characters like the Grunts...your thoughts? Dac 01:52, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Lopez' incorrect Spanish - intentional?

In fact, the only place where it says that the incorrect Spanish was intentional is here, Wikipedia. It isn't sourced, and certainly isn't mentioned on the production company's website. I'd greatly appreciate it someone could point to the evidence.128.2.164.169 (talk) 00:58, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

They talk about it on the audio commentaries on the DVDs. 217.33.134.118 (talk) 15:53, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Doc's Rank

I'm telling you guys Doc's rank isn't Medical Super Private First Class, it's Medical Officer. He was lying to prove he was supperior over Church. The rank Medical Super Private First Class doesn't even exist, you morons!! Go to Red vs. Blue The Unofficial Research site. I know the site is "unofficial," but what the character bios say is exactly the same as the Season Five DVD bios. - Anonomyus 22 December 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.108.132.123 (talk) 05:46, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Consensus was passed to take him at his word unless we find outside material detailing it, and please do not refer to us as morons. Dac (talk) 04:46, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Outside source, no kidding. The unofficial research site IS a source, and the Season 5 DVD bios refered to him as Medical Officer, not Medical Super Private First Class, what else do you need?!! Look, if you want to have incorrect information on that page I misunderstood you guys, but otherwise, come on! P.S Sorry about calling you guys morons, but if you took Doc's word for it like that, well, you know. -Anonomyus December 27, 2007- 07:56, 28 December 2007

No, I don't know, because taking them at their word is often what we have to do in this situation. Resource site is, as you say, unofficial. Guy who runs it has permission to write the transcripts, hence why they are viable, but other information on that site is really no more than fan content. As for what else we need, a statement from RT would be good. Sadly, could be a long wait, so we'll leave it as is. As for verifying that it truly is "incorrect information" would you care to point out exactly how you know undeniably that this is the case?

Oh, and, don't leave an Anonymous tag. It'll just get replaced. Dac (talk) 01:02, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I already did, twice. DVD Season 5 bios, remember?!! But seriously Dac, I am starting to get the feeling this may get to deep if we keep argueing. If Wikipedia really does operate like that and you have to take his word for it fine. I didn't know that. Sorry. P.S. Sorry for the tag I know you said not to, but I don't know what else to put. Please define. -Anonomyus December 27, 2007- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.108.132.123 (talk) 01:27, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, meant to include: S5 DVD bios are also considered an in-universe source. When I say statement by RT I mean something they state outright, not what they underline in the bios. Oh, and by tag I mean the signature. You know, four of these things: ~ . Leave four after your posts to sign them. Dac (talk) 08:45, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, I understand. But if you have a DVD made by RT that says he is Medical Officer, wouldn't that pretty much confirm it? If they say it in something that is there own words, why do they have to say it outright? I'm just curious as to that. Anonoymus 4:50, 29 December 2007

True enough, but then we have the conflicting issues between what is said in the bios and what is said inj the series itself; two in-universe sources with slight contradictions of each other. So, given this conundrum, we went with what was said inside the show itself. Dac (talk) 05:01, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, okay. Thanks for clearing your position on that. One more thing though. Wouldn't it make more sense to take the word of the RT staff instead of what was said in the show? Anonoymus 5:07, 7 Janauary 2008

Yes, but I must reiterate, the bios still can't be taken as what they are saying, infallibly. They aren't definied as the word of the RT staff. An interview or statement, sure, but the bio is not. Dac (talk) 06:39, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey Dac. Sorry to bother you again but I thought of something. Why aren't the bios taken as what they are saying? RT made it. Nobody else. The RT staff wrote it in there own words. Nobody else. So, why in the world not??? Anonoymus 2:20, 12 January 2008

Simply put, for the most part we do take it as such (see the Tucker page for a few examples). However, if it conflicts with what goes on in the show, we have to make a choice on whichever seems more viable, and in this case it was what was said in the show, since both are in-universe sources. Dac (talk) 02:02, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, okay. I would have gone with the bios, but it does make alot more sense now as to why you took Doc's word for it. I doubt it will happen, but let's hope RT confirms Doc's rank to clear this up. Thanks for explaining. P.S Also thanks for telling me how to sign posts on Wikipedia. Anonoymus 12:42, 13 January 2008

I looked on the RT website. You do know that even the RT staff put up Doc's REAL rank on their website, right? It says Medical Officer. Like you said, the reason you took Doc's word for it is because the bios and show are in-universe sources. The website in fact plainly stated that his rank is Medical Officer. What a character says, doesn't make it true, even if two stories telling diffenrt ideals are in-universe sources. And if what the site says isn't enough, just contact the RT staff. I know they will say the same thing. Just wondering, why hadn't anybody thought to contact the RT staff? Anonoymus 9:16, 25 January 2008

OK, first of all, we're well aware that what a character says may not be true. Second, I was considering making the modification based on that same page but hesitated because at the time (this was over a year ago when the first few episodes of Season 5 were released) Sister, Junior, York and Delta weren't on the list and I thought it simply hadn't been updated at the time. Looking now I see Sister and Junior there, but still no sign of York or Delta or Washington, so I'm still kinda out over that. Third, as far as contacting the RT staff goes, I've tried a couple of times before for unrelated questions (we didn't have the names for York or Delta's voice actors for some time and my attempts to ask got no responses), so I didn't bother this time around.

Looking at the page now, which I'll admit I'd forgotten about, I guess it's fine to let the modification be made, but I have to ask - and please don't take this the wrong way - but why did this one detail mean so much for you to go to all this trouble? No offense, but that just plain baffles me. Dac (talk) 08:20, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I became a fan of RvB when a cousin introduced me to it. I was a fan of Halo from the begining, but I had never heard of machinima or RvB, and I became hooked and even after it ended, I still whatch the PSAs and the old episodes. Why does that matter? Well (I'll admit I'm a major freak for this) but when I become a fan of something, and I find someone or something, that says something I find incorrect, I usually try to correct them, untill they convinced me that I was wrong or vise-versa. I actually found the cast page by accident and figured I should bring it up. I'm done though, and any responce after this is probably just thanking you for putting up with me, but I also have to ask, why did you put up with me? I do thank you for it though. Oh, no offence taken. P.S Stubborness probably factored into it. Anonoymus 10:45, 1 February 2008

Simple. Assume good faith. You were endeavouring to make sure the page was correct; even though I thought you were wrong, I could see that, so I had no problem with it. Dac (talk) 23:59, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh, well, cool. At least it's all cleared up then. Thanks. Anonyomus 3:36, February 2008

Great Destroyer

I just searched Great Destroyer and got redirected here. Are people on the wiki aware that Great Destroyer is not only a NIN song but also a pretty significant fictional character from Guild Wars? As much as i love Red Vs Blue, i think it'd be best if there was some sort of disambiguation page.--99.225.57.217 (talk) 20:13, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

No problems with that, but do those other ones have articles at all? Dac (talk) 21:38, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Washington's voice actor

In the third commentary of Recovery One, it is revealed that the voice actor's name is Justin Mc'Cormick, I am not sure if this is the correct spelling as the name hasn't been written down anywhere. Should it be added? Ccs4ever (talk) 15:15, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Watching it now, it's actually Shannon McCormick, not Justin. And I think it is worth noting on the page, and if it turns out we spelled it wrong we can simply amend it later. Dac (talk) 07:37, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

My wrong, sorry. I was planning on rewatching the video before commenting, but the name 'Justin' was so strong in my head it felt like it had to be the right one. Ccs4ever (talk) 13:08, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Heh, don't worry about it, I know the feeling. Also, we should probably add a section on South, we have info on her now as well. Dac (talk) 23:16, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

List of AI's

I think that all of the AI's should be listed together —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.9.78.201 (talk) 02:57, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Hunh...that's not a bad idea, although to avoid confusion over Sheila and Lopez I think we can limit it to AIs in the freelancer program. Anyone else's thoughts? Dac (talk) 03:12, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

OK, since there was no one decrying the idea I think we can go ahead with it. It can go in a subheading under Unaffiliated characters, since they all are, and I'll do a similar thing with Freelancer agents. Dac (talk) 14:15, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Gavin Free

I added Gavin Free as voice actor for Jones, if anyone doesn't like it please reason here - Jason Garwood. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.194.232.124 (talk) 15:18, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Captain Flowers

Shouldn't Captain Flowers be listed under the Blue team since that is his affiliation? Ccs4ever (talk) 00:11, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
I suppose it is something of a slippery slope as technically you could argue that the Red Zealot is affiliated with the Red team, as is Max Gain, but Flowers was more closely associated with the main cast of Blue characters than either of these examples, and might benefit from a move. Ccs4ever (talk) 00:18, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I can't see any reason at all why the Red Zealot could be argued as affiliated with Red Team, but as for Flowers himself, yes, I think this is a valid move. He was listed under unaffiliated after O'Malley's presence was known, but I think it's pretty safe to say he can be included under the Blue team heading. Dac (talk) 02:28, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Non-canon characters and Great Destroyer

Having Ralph in the same section as the others has never sat right with me, and the more I think about it the more I think Jacobs and the Pilot really aren't in the right location either. Should we have another section for the non-canon characters, just to ease that up?

Also, the Great Destroyer section, seeing as it all appears to be false and isn't likely to be cleared up any more, seems a bit superfluous now, especially since most of the information there is covered under Gary's profile anyway. Dac (talk) 21:24, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Freelancers and their AIs

With the move of North to the Freelancer subsection under the recurring unaffiliated characters section, it occurred to me that shouldn't "Freelancer Agent," "AI's of the Freelancer Project," or a merged, "Freelancer Project" be counted as an affiliation on par with Red Team and Blue Team? It just seems wrong to me to have "AI's (affiliated with) the Freelancer Program" under "Recurring Unaffiliated Characters." The only problem I can see with this is how to classify Tex, but we already have this problem with the introduction of the Freelancer subsection, it would just be a little more pronounced to have Freelancer Tex in the Blue Team section on the same screen-full as Freelancer Project. Ccs4ever (talk) 12:34, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

The problems aren't lost on me, but given Tex is one of the core characters and operates essentially solely with the Blue team for the better part of the main five seasons, I think that's one exception we can make - the other option being linking to her from both Blue team and the Freelancer section. But in answer to your original question, yes, I think reclassifying the Freelancer program as a separate affiliation is a valid step. Dac (talk) 12:45, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Alright then, I can do a simple move real quickly, and then decide whether we still need the separate subsections for Freelancer Agents and AIs. Ccs4ever (talk) 13:04, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Looks good. Should we add a minor blurb at the start of the section, before the Counsellor, summing up the Freelancer project and what is known about it? (Example, the naming system, the history with the AIs, etc.) Just very briefly. Would that work? Dac (talk) 09:40, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

That sounds good, it would match up better with the Red and Blue Team sections to have something of a summary of information about the group. Would just be a matter of formulating all the details and keeping the original research out. Ccs4ever (talk) 13:21, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Added...I double-checked, it's all facts and no OR or speculation, but it's a bit long. It could probably stand a condense, but I wasn't sure what to withdraw. What do you think? Dac (talk) 13:47, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

It looks good, a bit longer than the blurbs for the two teams, but that is to be expected as there is a lot more history to the project, and still a lot of uncertainty. There could be areas where pruning is necessary, so I'll give it a few more lookovers. I just wish we could retire the Nevada codename as Texas has been used everywhere since, and we could say something about that apparent overriding mission to "win the war," that went beyond Tex and Wyoming's apparent gun's for hire existence, but that would be injecting opinion to a certain extent. The quote from the first sponsor episode especially got me thinking that Tex as a "freelancer" was just a ruse to scatter agents to look for that preferable alternative to extinction, but these thoughts have no place on an article talk page. Ccs4ever (talk) 14:15, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

True, it's all speculation at this point...and I'm afraid that using Agent Nevada is going to have to stay. I'm not sure what the deal is with the references to Agent Texas, but the Character Profile on the S5 DVD clearly stated "Codename: Nevada", and the driving argument behind many of the changes to Agent Texas are that she was talking to Caboose (which she wasn't, she was talking to Tucker and Donut). I'm aware of Delta and Washington referring to her as Texas, but until RT gives a statement I feel it's better to run with what was grounded, not with idle speculation. Dac (talk) 00:55, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Tex's name

Why is Tex referred to as "Nevada" in the freelancer section? That is not her real name or codename. It was a joke, "Hey Tex what was your codename?" "Nevada", she was being sarcastic because it was a dumb question. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.247.63.94 (talk) 16:30, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

This debate has been going on for a long time, but there's more substantial proof that her codename is "Nevada" than there is that her name is "Texas". Firstly, on her character profile on the S5 DVD, it says "Codename: Nevada". Second, when asked outright why her name is Tex, Church says it's because she's FROM Texas, not because that was her codename. Third, there is no evidence that she was being sarcastic or that the conversation is a joke.

While there is the obvious confusion over Delta calling her "Agent Texas", we're taking the DVD profile as fact here. Hence, her name is referenced as Agent Nevada. There is concrete evidence for it being her codename, whereas anything regarding the name Agent Texas is simply speculation. So we're leaving it. Dac (talk) 23:04, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

What was the Episode where she said Nevada? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.247.63.94 (talk) 00:37, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Start of Season 3. I forget which episode number exactly...the one where Wyoming appears for the first time, I recall that much. Dac (talk) 14:07, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

In Episode 5 of Reconstruction, Washington, after viewing the crash log, clearly identifies Tex as Agent Texas. General Banzai (talk) 15:50, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

As did Delta, as I've said above, so until we get some clarification on that which overrides the character profile we'll stick with that reliable source. Dac (talk) 00:16, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

If anyone here is a sponsor, aparently on the sponsor forum the RT guys confirm that Tex is Agent Texas. I'm not a sponsor, so I can't confirm it, but perhaps a sponsor could check to see if this is true? General Banzai (talk) 01:52, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm a sponsor and I've seen nothing of the sort. Dac (talk) 02:30, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Her name is Texas. Delta, Washington, and the Conselor all called her Texas, they are all a part of the freelancer program which is where Tex came from. She is more often called Texas, AND she only said Nevada ONCE! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.247.63.94 (talk) 19:41, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

OK, I'm going to say this one more time: she is also referred to as "Nevada" in her character profile on the DVD, an out-of-universe source. That overrides in-universe dialogue. So unless there is an article from RT that retcons that, then we're leaving it as is. Also, the Counsellor never called her Agent Texas. Dac (talk) 00:40, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Can someone please start an artical on this in the RVB forums so we can get an answer from Rooster Teeth? I'm sick of this argument. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.247.63.94 (talk) 02:39, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Her name is Alison, her nickname is Tex (or Texas) as she is from texas her State name is Nevada, this is from Season 1 or Season 2 audio commentary on the DVD (not sure) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.194.232.124 (talk) 04:13, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't know where exactly it is, but Burnie confirmed, within the past few months, the Reconstruction references to Agent Texas. Burnie said that the "Agent Nevada" reference was intended as an obvious joke, and perhaps it was a joke they ran with through the possibly-non-canon character profile on the DVD. If someone can find a link, hopefully that will be enough to satisfy those who aren't seeing the obvious. --The Great Zo (talk) 12:52, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Washington's affiliation

Does Washington still work for Project Freelancer or does he now count as rogue due to the fact he lead Caboose, Church and the red team minus Donut to attack Command? For a more knowledgeable and relaxed Wikipedia- Nemesis646 (talk) 15:21, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

It's still unclear at this point. We'll just have to wait for more details. Dac (talk) 22:40, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Epsilon's Gender

Just wondering, but having gone through transcripts for R1 and Reconstruction, I can find no mention of Epsilon being a "he". In fact, it seems to me that it's gender has been avoided, only being referenced to as "it". Without some kind of citation, I would advise a change of the "he's" to "it's" etc in Epsilons section, especially as it seems it will become more relevant following the release of Chapter 15 of Reconstruction. 86.146.114.54 (talk) 15:55, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

It's a fair point, but we don't know if AIs even have genders in the literal sense; every one we've come across has been "male", but for all we know they were all made unisex. I'm not sure about this one...any other thoughts? Dac (talk) 22:58, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Washington's affiliation continued

I think Wash now counts as rogue due to the fact he has killed at least three people from command's forces and destroyed a few of their vehicles. Should this be put? For a more knowledgeable and relaxed Wikipedia- Nemesis646 (talk) 06:02, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Original research. Sorry. Dac (talk) 14:12, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

It has now been confirmed that Washington is working to bring down the Director: he is rogue. 86.146.114.54 (talk) 15:55, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

And? He was still a member of the now-defunct program. York is listed under the same section despite the fact that throughout his entire appearance he wasn't working with the program. There's no need to move Washington. If we did, we'd have to move South as well. Dac (talk) 09:19, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Include Church/Alfa AI to list of AI

Because of evidence in reconstruction episode 16, I believe Church should also be included in the list of AI as the Alfa.The Ashen (talk) 05:30, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

He has his own article. A wikilink can be placed there if so desired but there's no need for a full biography. Dac (talk) 09:20, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok I leave it as is.The Ashen (talk) 03:55, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Maybe we could have an "See also" for Church at the top of the section with the AI's so that viewers can go back to Church's article for more information on him as an AI. 146.85.235.181 (talk) 05:43, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Chairman

As the Director has been added, could we please add the Chairman? For a more knowledgeable and relaxed Wikipedia- Nemesis646 (talk) 06:24, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Not so much we can cover in that section. All we know about him is what he and the Director have said in their memos to each other, which, at this point, is that his full title is the Chairman of the Oversight Sub-Committee, and that he's placed the Director under criminal investigation. That's it. Since we can't even cover basics with this character I'd adivse leaving him out until something more substantial comes along. Dac (talk) 21:48, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Links to states and Greek letters

These are not necessary as they have little relevance to the content of this article. It has already been well-established that the codenames of the agents are named so for the states, and likewise that the AIs are named for Greek letters. Beyond this, there is no relevance and no need to link to those articles. The articles being linked to contain no information whatsoever about the characters or anything relevant to the series beyond a fact which has already been noted on this page. Furthermore, by linking to those articles in prose by using the name of the character to do so, it is disrupting continuity in the article; by implication, it is saying that the state or Greek letter is the one the article is about, which it is not; this is an article focused on the characters.

Please do not re-add those links. They are largely trivial in regards to this article. Dac (talk) 05:32, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

That doesn't make any sense at all! Having links to the States and Greek letters doesn't disrupt anything at all, all it sounds like is you're just making stuff up as an excuse to not use the links. There is nothing wrong with having the links there so why not just leave them? 146.85.235.181 (talk) 05:41, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

As I just explained, we can't simply leave them because they are not relevant. They link to articles that have nothing to do with this one beyond a fact we already covered on this same page, and they disrupt the flow of the prose. How is this in any way hard to understand? Dac (talk) 05:44, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Well perhaps the viewer might want to learn more about the Greek Letters and States that each are named after. And what about the links to articles about the Alpha's personality (like creativity for Sigma, anger for Omega and logic for Delta), those also seem significant. 146.85.235.181 (talk) 05:50, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

In the event that the viewer does wish that, that's what the search tool is for. Internal links are designed so that articles can link to other closely-specific articles, such as how this article has links to the main character articles. They are not generally intended to link to an article that is only vaguely relevant in some minor way, which is what the states and Greek letters are, because as I have said, the only relevance is in name only. As for those other links, they're just as irrelevant, if not more so, since they're about a broad topic and still has little relevance. You describe them as "articles about the Alpha's personality" but that is incorrect. They are broad articles about the fundamental basics of their topics. I'm sorry, but there is still not enough need to constitute linking to them. Dac (talk) 05:56, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Info about Episilon

I don't recall Epsilon ever appearing in the series, so how is it that the information about its appearance is included here? Where did the info come from? 146.85.235.181 (talk) 07:20, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

At the start of Recovery One chapter four, the production crew continued the theme of starting each chapter with the image of a dead body. In this case they used a holographic blue Spartan, which was confirmed in the sponsor commentary of that episode to be Epsilon. Dac (talk) 08:12, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Where is the sponsor commentary now? I only just downloaded the sponsor hi-res versions of the Recovery One files, but I can't see any commentary versions, unlike with Reconstruction. That said, I only registered as a Sponsor a couple months ago.--Drat (Talk) 08:26, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

They were released in the sponsor forum as viewing-only (not download) a short while after Recovery One wrapped up. Should still be there. Dac (talk) 08:30, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I was able to find the posts, albeit indirectly, yet the embedding didn't work. I don't know if it's just me. The video links were still present in the page source, so I was able to download them. Sponsor forum post links: Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 Part 4.--Drat (Talk) 09:12, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Doc appearing in Reconstrution

Shouldn't it be included that Doc appeared in the sponser's cut of Chapter 12 of Reconstrution, as we did the same for Lopez. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.108.157.40 (talk) 01:05, 17 November 2008 (UTC)