Talk:Florida State University/Archive 2

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Hi all - I've been watching this article for a while now, and have a few suggestions. It seems as though the article has far too much info in it - it seems as though the history section and the departmental sections deserve their own pages at this point. It just seems as though that the article's contents are far to specific for the main article. Second, and this is just a personal opinion (and I know ascetics aren't that important for an encyclopedia), but the article is kinda drab - all the black and white pictures right up front - its kinda ugly. A few current pictures of the University could punch it up a bit. Just a few thoughts! Hps05

• Thanks for the feedback. We just lost a lot of great color pix due to the apparently very strict Wikipedia copyright policy on graphics. I'm looking for replacements and the historic pix are really meant as filler at this time. The article could possibly be split into separate pages; there's a lot more history and graphics that could be added to such a section. Each college could also have a lot more detail; but all things come in time.Sirberus 13:09, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the feedback but I rather like the new photos (and those that were erased were mine). I don't see the article as too long. The point of an encyclopedia is to impart as much pertinent information as possible and we have a very organized table of contents for easy navigation. Also, the article has recently been trimmed considerably. Mike850 19:13, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

National High Magnetic Field Laboratory (NHMFL)

There is a mini edit-war going on in the Physics section concerning whether the Physics Department "operates," "manages" or simply "contributes to" the NHMFL. It seems that users who are affiliated with FSU Physics favour the former two terms, whereas users presumably from (an)other department(s) favour the latter. In fact, the FSU Physics Department does indirectly manage the lab: the NHMFL Director, his predecessor, and the recently-emeritus Chief Scientist, JR Schrieffer, are all senior FSU physics faculty. The chances of anyone from another discipline heading the Lab are slim. Additionally, most of the Lab's own staff scientists are physicists. Therefore, any attempt to suggest that FSU physics merely 'contributes' to the main Maglab campus is incorrect: although multidisciplinary, the NHMFL is primarily a physics lab. On the other hand, care should be taken not to remove the qualifying statements about the multidisciplinary nature of the Lab or its operation being "through the Director, who is Physics faculty". (I'm not a Maglab user, by the way.) C60 07:45, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks for the input. We need some clarity in this section. I have been told that the Mag Lab is not "managed" by the College of A&S Dept. of Physics. Obviously, there must be extremely close associations. However, it appears that NHMFL prefers not to be subordinate to only one department for perhaps political reasons stemming from the multidisciplinary utility of the lab.Sirberus 09:50, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

• • Yeah - it's a thorny issue. Although the Physics Department is the biggest Maglab player, this is an academically-politically sensitive issue. The non-physics users of the Lab don't want to be marginalised (as can often happen at national labs) - and I can hardly blame them. On the other hand, FSU physics people understandably want their unique contribution to the Maglab to be known. "Operates" is probably the best term: "manages" implies a monopoly and "contributes to" implies too loose an association. On another note, to be quite honest, it's nice to have this issue come up in the first place: it shows that there are actually some people editing this article that care about something to do with, you know, academics, as opposed to sport or froth-mouthed rivalry with UF ;) C60 00:43, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

• • • Thanks for noticing. I for one have been working in that direction for some time, trying to eliminate nonsense and boosterism and tell a pretty interesting story about a fine state university.Sirberus 21:22, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Obsession With Football

I've noticed an extensive amount of mentions of football in the historical parts of the article. FSU is not just about football and any mention of athletics should stay under the athletics section.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by A s williams (talk • contribs) 20:41, 25 June 2007 (UTC).

• I agree. Football does need to go to the athletics section.Sirberus 21:02, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Added some color

I changed the infobox to show some school spirit, I saved the old box in my sandbox if you want me to I can return it to its old bland self.

oops forgot to sign FSU Guy 15:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes to the Color: I think it makes the entry stand out from other universities without looking outlandish. Others will probably follow our lead. Mike850 15:46, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes to the Color Looks good to me. Sirberus 00:22, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes to the Color As a Gator fan, I am going to totally rip off the concept for the UF page. Looks very nice. A.S. Williams 01:44, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Maybe to the ColorNo to the color I am still trying to get used to it. It is cool and all but what is encyclopedic function? That being said, can you make it in to an easy to use template so others can use? --Jerm (^Talk/ _Contrib) 15:52, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

• I'll see what I can do. I've never made a template before but I'll give it a shot sometime this weekend, little busy at the moment. FSU Guy 18:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

• • Alright I got a chance to mess with the template here is what I have so far: Enter this on you page

• • {{Color 1|Color 2|Title|Image|Moto|Established|Type|Endowment|President|Faculty|Staff|Students|Undergraduates|Postgraduates|Location|Campus|Colors|Nickname|website}}

• • Replace each spot with the proper information and your set. For color 1 and color 2 put in either a number style, ie #990000 for fsu garnet #f1c058 for gold, or name , ie green. This will set the colors of the box. The rest of the info fill in with whatever you want. I'm working on a generic template, and maybe something a little easier to use, I'll get back to you when I figure that out. In the mean time back to work.

• • Here is an example with alternate colors and picture FSU Guy 21:01, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Title

Moto: Moto Established: Established Type: Type Endowment: Endowment President: President Faculty: Faculty Staff: Staff Students: Students Undergraduates: Undergraduates Postgraduates: Postgraduates Location: Location Campus: Campus Colors: Colors Nickname: Nickname Website: website

Good Article Candidate

I am currently reviewing the article for GA status. I may make minor copy edits to the article as I go. I may also insert flags such as {{Fact}} as needed. I will provide an update this weekend. Majoreditor 16:50, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Good article nomination on hold

This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold by Majoreditor 03:32, 30 June 2007 (UTC). During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write. This is how the article, as of 29 June 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: Needs work. Some items don't conform to WP:MOS. Moreover, the style needs work. Please see my comments below.

2. Factually accurate?: Almost all sections are well cited. >The only exception is the section on Seminoles football; it needs proper in-line citations. I still need to check a few more items and may have additional comments and fact tags to add.

3. Broad in coverage?: Yes.

4. Neutral point of view?: Yes.

5. Article stability? Stable

6. Images?: Please add photo caption for image:mf1006.gif (E. Imre Friedman). I still need to confirm tags on a few more images. Also, please check the WFSU logo to ensure that it has a Fair Use rationale.

Overall assessment: This article can pass GA review with some minor editing work.

Specific issues:

• Expand lead

• (Also worked on lead parenthetical statements). Pls advise if references needed for added material.Sirberus 15:54, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

• Done.Sirberus 02:06, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

• Minimize use of the passive voice. Sections of the article are quite clunky due to PV.

Please advise if this element is still uncorrected.

Sirberus 02:06, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

• Much improved. Majoreditor 12:01, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

• Minimize use of parenthetical statements (like this phrase.) They, too, are clunky. You won't find many in Wikipedia's best composed articles.

• Eliminated several, if some seem illuminated to you please point them out. Sirberus 03:43, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

• I eliminated some more; the issue is resolved. Majoreditor 04:35, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

• Certain sections, including Past Presidents, Notable Faculty, Notable Alumni and Notable Alumni Athletes, need to include text rather than just a list or a link to another article. Craft a couple of paragraphs for each section.

• Done.Sirberus 02:06, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

• Further reading: this section should list books in addition to web sites. A quick Google search will produce several good candidates.

• Done.Sirberus 02:06, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

• Seminoles football in-line citations, per comments above.

• where?Sirberus 15:54, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

• I've added two tags. It should be easy to find references and add in-line citations. Majoreditor 01:37, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

• Done.Sirberus 03:43, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

• Added two more. That should be all. Majoreditor 04:38, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

• Done.Sirberus 16:51, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

• One photo lacks a caption and another may need Fair Use Rationale, per comments above

• Done.Sirberus 16:17, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

• Move the link to Seminoles FSU Tribute.

• Move it to where?Sirberus 15:54, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

• I moved it to further reading/external links. Majoreditor 01:30, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

• Consider creating additional branch articles. Just a suggestion

• More to come; plus fuller development of those out there now.Sirberus 15:54, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

• The more work I do on this reveals additional sources of information that could be developed and added. I'm not satisfied with the article as-is but am glad it is starting to meet higher standards. Once complete, it should serve as a solid basis for additional work and information. Branching will be necessary.Sirberus 13:45, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

That's all for now. I will probably add a few more comments later.

Overall, a good job. You'll pass once you address these issues. Please contact me should you have any questions -- I'll check this talk page periodically. Also, consider looking over the Duke University article to see an excellent FA-class university article. Majoreditor 03:32, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Update on GA review. I will complete the review this evening. Majoreditor 13:43, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Passed GA Review

I am passing the article on GA review:

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   a (fair representation): b (all significant views):

5. It is stable.

   

6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.

   a (tagged and captioned): b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):

7. Overall:

   a Pass/Fail:

To elaborate:

1. Is the article well written? Just barely above passing level, but yes. In this respect:

(a) Prose are serviceable but not always crisp. Grammar is fine with few exceptions.

(b) Does it comply with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, jargon, words to avoid, fiction, and list incorporation? Two lists could be better incorporated, and some subsection are short and may benefit from combination. This is somewhat subjective, and, per GA Guidelines, "Although the entire Manual of Style should be followed, it is not completely necessary at [GA] level."

2. Is the article factually accurate and verifiable? Yes.

(a) Does it provides references to sources used -- absolutely yes.

(b) Does it cites reliable sources for quotations and for material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, preferably using inline citations for longer articles -- yes. For example, the streaking claim may be challenged, but it cites a reliable source. Also, IMO, the article would benefit from more citation from books rather than relying so heavily on online reference sources -- but that's one person's opinion.

(c) Does it contains no original research -- No issues.

3. Is the article broad in its coverage? Yes:

(a) Does it addresses the major aspects of the topic -- yes.

(b) Does it stay focused on the topic without going into unnecessary details (see summary style) -- some details are questionable. There is perhaps too much detail on student activities and clubs, and perhaps too many instances of academic rankings.

4. Is the article neutral; that is, it represents viewpoints fairly and without bias? Yes, although there is an occasional air of bragging.

5. Is the article stable; that is, it does not change significantly from day to day and is not the subject of an ongoing edit war? Yes.

6. Are images it contains appropriate to the subject, with succinct captions and acceptable copyright status? Yes.

Summary comment: article passes all GA critera, although it is borderline for style and focus. I recommend that editors continue to improve the prose and ensure compliance with all elements of the Manual of Style.

Good work! Majoreditor 03:11, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Article length

Congrats on GA status. This article is coming in at 115kb which is indigestible in a single sitting. I added tags where it was obvious that the material should be split off into its own sister page (History, Colleges). I just copied the entire history section to the new History of Florida State University as an example -- but someone needs to trim off the fat on the main FSU page here. I also went through and added a few fact tags (I'm a real stickler when it comes to academic boosterism) around the rankings and student body section. Let me know what I can do to help. Madcoverboy 02:14, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

The History section can stand alone. IMO the sections on individual colleges aren't developed enough to spin off as their own articles. However, one could create a single article on FSU colleges. Sirberus, your thoughts? Majoreditor 12:37, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

See below, but I made each its own webpage. There's no reason that every page couldn't include a list of faculty and research programs -- information which would quickly overload a single page containing all of them. Alternatively, you could create a List of colleges at Florida State University and just have main articles linking off of that to the larger ones (Law, Medicine, Arts & Sciences, etc). Madcoverboy 17:12, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Some of these university elements already have their own pages, so they'll need to be incorporated and redundancies eliminated. I agree that some other sections need to be associated until appropriate material can be gathered for each own page. Thanks for the help! Sirberus 18:11, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Reorganization

I just finished up a major reorganization of the article based upon the WikiProject Universities outline style, moving all the college information off to sister pages. I attempted to add a rudimentary section on Organization and Campus, but as I have no experience with the school, I am just going off of what I can find about 2 pages deep on the appropriate websites. These should be expanded-- organization should include more about the relationship between the administration and faculty senate, reporting relationships between the colleges and administration, student governing bodies, codes of conduct, etc. Campus should be much larger and include major buildings (stadium, libraries, housing) as well as a section on changes associated with the master plan. I also moved and renamed the "Alumni" and "faculty" sister pages to List of Florida State University alumni and List of Florida State University faculty as the "notable" designation is redundant. I also updated the navigation box to reflect these changes. Madcoverboy 17:12, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the work. Majoreditor 17:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

So far, so good. I corrected some of the figures and added a reference. I have long envisioned developing a comprehensive set of pages for the university but now is as good a time as any. Looks nice. Sirberus 18:08, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I just went through and implemented cite templates for all the references to ensure consistency. I believe a previous editor had used ref name tags to name every cite, but never actually linked back to them, so the vast majority were just wasted text as it was never referred to again. However, for those references that had one or more citations in the body, I did keep this implementation, although I did scale back on some of the naming. I tried to catch as many errors as I could with regard to the syntax or formatting of the cite templates, but I'm sure there are more hiding down there in the references that I am just too bleary eyed to see right now. Madcoverboy 20:16, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Understood. It does get to be work when parsing all the plain text. Sirberus 21:01, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

History section

Now that the history section has become a separate article, perhaps the amount here should be drastically cut back , in accordance with WP summary style--normally a single paragraph only is left. DGG (talk) 23:42, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't agree with that approach. Duke University and Yale University are comparable. I think it has lost enough weight as-is. Sirberus 01:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

colors on table

why are the colors red and tan? why not gold? and if gold is too light, how come it isnt used as one of the school colors, tan is still used there too! LightSpeed3 18:52, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

• Here are the correct colors per FSU: http://www.fsu.edu/redesign/docs_webcolor.html Sirberus 21:50, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

• When I created the template I originally used gold but thought the text stood out better in tan. I think it looks better, but If you want to change it then take a poll please.Mike850 16:52, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

• thats fine, but theres a small part that says "school colors" inside the table and tan is still there too LightSpeed3 02:37, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Non-standard infobox

Hi there, folks. There is a discussion currently underway at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Universities about the use of non-standard infotables on this and a few other articles on universities in Florida. I and a few other editors would support standardising to {{Infobox University}}. That infobox has widespread consensus among editors and is used on several thousand articles. There are a few other issues: to be honest, I'm not sure that I like the use of strong colors, and using a non-standard infobox will likely prevent this article from achieving FA status. Editors here may wish contribute the the discussion at the WP:UNI talk page. — mholland (talk) 17:14, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

• OK to Revert While I enjoy FSU's InfoBox as-is, Wikipedia is first an encyclopedia. As such, standardization is important, especially if update functionality on Wikipedia is automated. Sirberus 23:07, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

• • Additionally, I want to see this article meet FA standards and it appears the InfoBox will be an issue. Sirberus 23:11, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

• Leave it as is! What can be done is tone the color down a shade but it does make us stand out, i have seen UofF do it as well as another university —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.241.164 (talk • contribs) 23:03, August 3, 2007

As stated in the discussion linked to above, readability and usability trump "school spirit" in an encyclopedia article. Encyclopedia articles that "stand out" are not always a good thing. --ElKevbo 03:10, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Florida State University Panama City

Any help and imput for the Panama City campus would be appreciated. Florida State is working hard to make something of this campus however information seams limited. UkrNole 485 13:57, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Greek System

Dont you all think there should be some mention about the greek system? It is a big part od student life - hps05

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Add Luis Fonsi to the notable alumni section. He studied music at FSU and wrote what is currently the #1 song in the world. Af7850a (talk) 20:35, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Done —MRD2014 00:51, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

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Hello wikipedia editors! I am starting a discussion based on the temporary greek life suspension. I do believe that this development should be on wikipedia. I don't want anyone to think I'm trying to cover anything up. I do believe that this information should be moved to the History of Florida State University page just like the Ted Bundy murders of the 70s and the library mass shooting. I believe this is the right move in order to keep the main university page from becoming a news article.--SeminoleNation (talk) 01:35, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

I'm fine with moving the Greek life suspension to the "history of..." page, but the NCAA scandal should be mentioned briefly on this page, and in more detail at sub-pages (like athletics, history, etc.). See WP:SUMMARYSTYLE. Neutrality^talk 02:04, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Personally, I think the Greek Life suspension belongs in the "Greek life" section, no where else. It's just one paragraph on the situation and does not violate any policies on Wikipedia. Corky ^{Buzz by the Hornet's Nest} 02:23, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

The greek life suspension is a temporary event that should be under in the history of Florida State University page. The main page of a university shouldn't list every single event that happens. The NCAA scandal was an sanction on wins and only affected the athletics program. It already has its own heading and description on the athletics page.--SeminoleNation (talk) 04:27, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

There is absolutely no harm in adding a brief paragraph on the main university article, as well. Not many visitors would think to go to the History article to obtain information on the Greek life suspension. Corky ^{Buzz by the Hornet's Nest} 04:33, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

It is an event that is a part of its history. It does not matter where visitors would think to look. It belongs in the history article with the Ted Bundy murders and the mass shooting at Strozier library.--SeminoleNation (talk) 01:12, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

If we follow that logic then every single thing in this article is "part of [FSU's] history [and] belongs in the history article." We have to make editorial judgments about what is important, interesting, or defining enough to be included in this article (which should have a high level summary of the history article). It's pretty common for editors to include more recent events in the main Wikipedia article of a university, returning later to determine if the events are of lasting importance and need to stay, be summarized and remain in the main article, be completely moved to a different article, or just removed altogether as a relatively unimportant event with no lasting significance. I'd greatly prefer if we operated in the exact opposite manner - wait to determine lasting importance and then add the material - but I'm clearly in the minority and we operate on a consensus model here.

Another consideration is whether the event in question has widespread coverage in the media, especially national or international media. If so, the event may important enough to include here. I think that both of these events have made the national news but I follow the higher ed news quite closely so my judgment may not reflect that of others who follow more general media. ElKevbo (talk) 01:42, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 November 2017

In the introduction section, the article states "For 2017, U.S. News & World Report ranked Florida State as the 33rd best public university in the United States." It then cites a U.S. News & World Report website that ranks Florida state as 43rd, not 33rd. Please make this correction. Dougmartin05 (talk) 19:46, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

@Dougmartin05:  Not done. One problem with adding archived versions of self-updating pages like that is that people might click the archived link and get out-of-date information. If you hover over the little number 18 and click the link that says "the original," that should take you to a version of the page that lists Florida State as #33 (and no school as #43 because a bunch of previous rankings had ties). CityOfSilver 20:32, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

NCAA Infractions Discussion

I noticed this edit in the History section:

"In 2007, a major academic fraud case implicating 61 Florida State student-athletes was brought to light. Two years later, the NCAA found FSU responsible for major violations of its rules. NCAA sanctions included a reduction in the number of scholarships for ten Seminole teams and forfeiture of all of the victories in which the involved athletes took part in 2006 and 2007. In addition, the university was placed on probation for the next four years.[75]"

Research shows this edit has been reverted a number of times and even the subject of a Wikipedia 3RR rule inquiry. Folks, may I say frankly I find this entire series of events much ado about nothing. Not that the NCAA finding academic fraud by 61 FSU athletes is trivial, it is not. But FSU has been punished and completed penance for whatever role it had in this event. Taken in context, FSU joins the 43% of all NCAA FBS (this means big-time athletic program universities) who were caught with their hand in the NCAA rulebook cookie jar (See: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/01/11/96-division-i-colleges-violated-major-ncaa-rules-last-decade ). Does this (old) news rate a mention in the main Wikipedia article history section of a major national university which is about 166 years old? I think not - let's keep only historically notable events in the History section. If we trivialize our articles who will want to read them? I could further move or delete a number of other trivial edits in the History section, but let's start here.

So, being bold - I moved the snippet to the Athletics section where it can be more in context. Hopefully, this satisfies all concerned. Sirberus (talk) 20:40, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

You should not be editing your alma mater's article in ways that others could potentially view as minimizing negative information. In fact, I'm not sure if you should be editing this article at all except in ways that are unequivocally uncontroversial. ElKevbo (talk) 22:01, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

I don't think moving negative information about the FSU sports program from the History of the University section to the Sports section represents a conflict by an unpaid volunteer, even if the volunteer is an alumnus. Nothing was deleted or changed in the negative reporting. This puts the information in context since the academic fraud matter occurred in 2007 and was by student-athletes, not the 40,000 other FSU students who had to work hard to get our respective degree(s). Embarrassing to us FSU alumni? Sure is. Nothing can be done about it except to make sure it does not reoccur, even if we as university graduates have little or no influence over events. We can get more editors to review this. Fair enough? Sirberus (talk) 11:57, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

To avoid a possible appearance of a conflict as articulated by @ElKevbo I am placing a request for an edit review on the COI Noticeboard. Sirberus (talk) 13:01, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Colleagues, please note that another editor with a connection to this subject is involved in the same edits. These particular edits are not terribly problematic; I am concerned about the precedent they set for allowing alumni of this institution who have a clear COI to make substantive edits to this article. ElKevbo (talk) 16:57, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

You have no proof that anyone on Wikipedia has a connection to the article. Please stop.--SeminoleNation (talk) 17:25, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

You're kidding, right? YOU HAVE A USERBOX THAT TELLS US THAT YOU'RE AN ALUMNUS (as does Sirberus)! ElKevbo (talk) 17:40, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Doesn't really prove anything. The internet is a wild place where I could be whoever I want. I could have a NYU alumni userbox and everyone would believe it.--SeminoleNation (talk) 18:20, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Your only response to "hey, you claim to be associated with this subject and maybe shouldn't be editing this article" is "I might be a liar?" Where are you going with this? ElKevbo (talk) 18:24, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes that's the point. How do you know for sure that anyone on the internet has a "clear connection" to anything. You don't. Stop pointing fingers.--SeminoleNation (talk) 00:28, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

 Declined I see the topic is still under discussion. Closing it as such. If parts of the article are in dispute, perhaps now its GA status should be pulled for re-appraisal. With respect to "Does this (old) news rate a mention in the main Wikipedia article history section of a major national university which is about 166 years old?" asking about the relevance of sports related events from 2007 in the year 2017 which are all distant memories. Not too distant though, if you look closely you can almost make out a stepping stone-like path back through time for these sports related scandals, which re-occur at FSU every so often: First in 1982 with accusations of improper medical treatment and drug use, then again in 1984 over charges of scouting; once again in 2007 over charges of academic fraud involving the school's notorious athletes-only online courses in "beverage management"; and most recently in 2015 with an instructor coming forward complaining about widespread copying and plagiarism of sites like Wikipedia, in classes set aside for school athletes getting bachelor's degrees in "hospitality". These concerns are not only timely, but timeless — as the NYTimes described it, a clash of three titans: "The academic and legal imperatives colliding with the pressures of big-time college sports." In any event, please feel free to resubmit specific edit requests at your earliest convenience. Regards, Spintendo ᔦᔭ 20:36, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

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Spintendo, thanks for your consideration. ElKevbo...apparently Spintendo found no reason why Wikipedia editors who happen to be FSU graduates are barred from editing articles relating to FSU. If you have a further concern I suggest you communicate directly with the COI editors or work it out with me or whomever you are worried about at the time.

Moving on to the article, Spintendo certainly has his point of view about FSU's sports troubles. I make no defense or explanation of any FSU sports scandal at all. Others can address that matter. I still don't think the sports scandal stuff should be mentioned in the History of the University section. I think such discussion belongs in the Sports section of the article and perhaps should be fully chronicled and explored in an article dedicated to FSU's sports issues including related mitigating material which goes with the accusatory information. Even-handed treatment is all I want. Sirberus (talk) 23:47, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Further comment...after researching other university articles on Wikipedia I see where some universities have notable sports problems mentioned in the History section. While I still think this should generally be confined to the university sports section in some instances it should be mentioned early in the article. The Penn State sex scandal comes to mind. Since I am not well versed in these matters and can see where I could become myopic about FSU I choose not to further litigate this particular issue for now. If it rises to such a level it should be fully aired in a separate article with important arguments made completely, with any patterns and mitigating points revealed. While painful to us alumni I do think this sunshine hopefully would disinfect our alma mater now and in the future.

I added an NCAA Infractions subsection to FSU Athletics. I thought it over and agree this material should be included in this section at least. From this section, each infraction may be explored by perusing the actual NCAA database. I also discussed infractions going back to 1968, which is as far back as the NCAA database goes regarding FSU. Sirberus (talk) 13:50, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

I definitely think the GA status should be reexamined. Anything at all negative about the university is immediately taken out. As I said elsewhere on this Talk page, the treatment of Florida State College for Women is totally inadequate, among other things. deisenbe (talk) 00:20, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

FSU Law

FSU Law is not currently ranked the number 1 law school in Florida. Please change "The FSU College of Law is the No. 1 law school in Florida..." to "...the No. 2 law school in Florida..." to reflect their true ranking. Thank you.

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime (open channel) 19:43, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/law-rankings @FlightTime:— Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.73.159.6914:56, January 25, 2018‎ (talk)

 Not done The source you give shows that USN&WR considered the rankings between UofF Levin and FSU Law a tie. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:52, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

In what sense? University of Florida is in a tie for #41, while FSU is in a tie for #48. @FlightTime: . @Eggishorn: The actual score is only one point difference, which the editors acknowledge is insignificant. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:05, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

The actual score for University of Florida is 57/100. The actual score for FSU is 54/100. That is a 3 point difference. Also, the multiple point difference is evidenced by a tie for #44 and a tie for #46 between University of Florida sitting at #41 and FSU sitting at #48. @FlightTime: . @Eggishorn: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.73.159.69 (talk • contribs)

(edit conflict) Oh, sorry, Eggishorn, I just did the change before I saw your message since I read the list as follows:

       #41-43 (3-way tie) University of Florida (Levin) Gainesville, FL and 2 universities outside of FL
       #48-50 (3-way tie) Florida State University Tallahassee, FL and 2 universities outside of FL

That seems clear to me, or did I misunderstand anything there? — Sebastian 21:16, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

After reading the two messages that edit conflicted with mine I feel confirmed. Moreover, even if the difference is insignificant, there is no reason to state an order that contradicts that of the source. — Sebastian 21:22, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Admissions

The total amount of applicants to fsu for fall/summer 2017 was over 42,000 and the number admitted around 17,000. The data is outdated and appears to be wrong as the number of applicants Wikipedia has listed for 2016 is listed at around 29,000 when it was actually around 36,000. Brmacker99 (talk) 03:31, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Incorrect title of the College of Engineering

The College of Engineering is in fact a shared college between Florida Agricultural and Mechanical University and Florida State University. Therefore, using Florida State University College of Engineering as the title is incorrect. The correct title for the college is FAMU-FSU College of Engineering which is reflected on all marketing material related to the college and the school's independent website found at https://www.eng.famu.fsu.edu/. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clay terry (talk • contribs) 16:02, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Florida State College for Women deserves its own article

It existed for 35 years, was the third largest women's college in the United States, and it gets two sentences. deisenbe (talk) 12:09, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Copied from Archive 1. Be nice if one of you Seminole fans would take care of them

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Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2018

Under the "Rankings" section, the ranking number is not listed for the College of Law. It is tied #47 with Temple University (Beasley).

The FSU College of Law is ranked No. by U.S.News. 144.174.214.12 (talk) 20:09, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 20:46, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 June 2018

Change: "Florida Governor Rick Scott and the state legislature designated Florida State University as one of two "preeminent" state universities in the spring of 2013 among the twelve universities of the State University System of Florida."

To: Florida Governor Rick Scott and the state legislature designated Florida State University as one of three "preeminent" state universities in the spring of 2013 among the twelve universities of the State University System of Florida."

Source: http://news.usf.edu/article/templates/?a=8480&z=232

University of South Florida has gained "preeminent" status, alongside FSU & UF Attaboyscrappy (talk) 17:04, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

 Done The count has been increased by one, to a total of three, in both instances where these three preeminent universities are mentioned.  spintendo  18:40, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2018

Total Endowment should be changed to $707 Million to reflect the fiscal year 2017 audit.

View source link here: http://foundation.fsu.edu/sites/foundation.fsu.edu/files/documents/financial-documents/2017-June-Foundation-Financial-Stmts-FINAL-Audit-Only.pdf Subtleswag (talk) 19:24, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

 Done — LeoFrank  ^Talk 09:25, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2019

Two Time Grammy Winner FSU Alumni Rita Coolidge 172.89.78.68 (talk) 04:40, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Rita Coolidge is an FSU Alumni and she is missing from the list of famous Alumni's.

 Not done for now: please link to her article, if it exists. If not, then unfortunately she can't be included DannyS712 (talk) 05:09, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Verified Rita Coolidge as an FSU alumna through this news item: http://news.wfsu.org/post/rita-coolidge-will-call-tallahassee-home-again Added her to the article.

Semi-protected edit request on 9 March 2020

144.174.210.125 (talk) 23:07, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Acceptance rate updated to 36.8%

18,504 out of 50,314 applicants were admitted making Florida State a highly competitive school to get into with a lesser chance of acceptance for qualifying applicants. Academically, it has very high requirements for admission test scores, generally admitting students who score in the top 21 percent. Florida State University typically accepts and attracts "A-" average high school students. Only 34% of those admitted chose to enroll in the school.

SAT Range: 1200-1350

Admission Standards Very High Applicant Competition High

https://www.collegesimply.com/colleges/florida/florida-state-university/admission/

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/florida-state-university-1489

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 03:06, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 April 2020

Please update the "Admissions" sections with the 2019 stats. Bellow are my own edit for this setion that can be used if it meets standards or edited to reach those standards. I updated the "Fall Admission Statistics" to go from 2014-2018 based on Florida State's most recent Fact Book. I also restructured the discussion in the section to better fit official publications, as some of the data didn't match. Additionally, I updated some of the citations:

 Done Interstellarity (talk) 20:25, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Admissions

Fall Admission Statistics

	2018	2017	2016	2015	2014
Applicants	50,314	35,334	29,027	29,828	30,266
Admits	18,504	17,381	16,840	16,674	16,763
Admit rate	36.78%	49.19%	58.01%	55.90%	43.81%
Enrolled	6,324	6,523	6,282	6,100	6,021
SAT range	1260–1360	1230–1340	1160–1290	1180–1300	1180–1290
ACT range	27–31	26–30	26–30	26–30	26–30

The middle 50% of the Fall 2019 freshmen class had a GPA range from 4.1 – 4.4; a SAT total range from 1250 to 1360 and an ACT range from 28 – 31. The acceptance rates for admission in 2019 were 33.28% and 27.88% respectively for over 45,000 freshman applicants and nearly 20,000 graduate school applicants, Fall 2020 freshman applications numbering over 60,000, making admission to the university a highly competitive process each year. FSU's freshman retention rate for the class of 2023 is 93.1%. In 2019, the university achieved a four-year graduation rate of 72%, the highest rate in the State University System of Florida and among the top 10 nationally. The university has over an 80.0% six-year graduation rate compared to the national average six-year graduation rate of 59%.

Spelling Error

Under the Traditions section, Paragraph 1, line 7, there is a nonexistent word: 'nenewed'. I believe the intent was to use the word 'renewed'.

 Done by someone else. GreaterPonce665 ^(TALK) 02:32, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2020

The Admissions section has incorrect admission information about Fall 2019 admissions. The admission information for undergraduates was 58,936 applicants and 21,202 acceptances, an acceptance rate of 35.97%. The graduate programs' admission information was 20,384 applicants and 5,982 acceptances, an acceptance rate of 29.35%

Please update the discussion and table in the admission section to reflect these numbers. 69.254.162.170 (talk) 01:56, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

  Note: The statistics in the article are from the same sources you cite. Please make sure you have checked this proposal over. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 19:25, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Response to Note: Thank you for the catch! I originally put the wrong link and numbers for the second reference. This has been fixed with the correct number and link for the second reference.

References

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. HeartGlow ^(talk) 06:24, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 July 2020

This is my first edit request, so apologies if I mess up.

In section Student Life->Student Clubs and Activities->Entertainment

1. Add the bold text at the top of the subheading "A large amount of student life is centered around the Oglesby Union, located on the North side of campus. The Union was originally constructed in 1952 and expanded in 1964. In 2018, renovations of the Oglesby Union began. The old Union building was demolished in the summer of 2018 and buildings for the renovated Union are currently being constructed. Current construction estimates expect the renovated Union to be completed in the Fall of 2021. During construction, the services that were housed in the Union have moved to temporary locations around campus."
2. Add the bold text to "Crenshaw Lanes is a twelve lane bowling alley located in the Oglesby Student Union and it includes ten full sized billiard tables. It has been at FSU since 1964. The interior has been completely renovated for spring 2015.[182] The Crenshaw Lanes have been temporarily closed since construction of the renovated Union began."
3. Change this line to "A coffee shop called Reel Coffee the Grindhouse Cafe sells snacks and drinks in the cybercafe." Gagusftw (talk) 20:10, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

References

 Done HeartGlow ^(talk) 06:31, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 August 2020

Change "The southwest campus currently houses the Florida State University College of Engineering which..." to "The southwest campus currently houses the FAMU-FSU College of Engineering which..." 66.37.54.195 (talk) 15:36, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. HeartGlow ^(talk) 06:32, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 September 2020

Update endowment to 2020 number of $767 million (Source: https://foundation.fsu.edu/about) Fsuhp98 (talk) 18:32, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done Assests ≠ Endowment. The source itself gives a different number for endowment value. Current NACUBO number stands. GreaterPonce665 ^(TALK) 15:40, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 July 2020

Change the reference to the student government finance committee allocating the budget to the budget committee as outlined in FSU Student Senate Rules of procedure , and change the Budget total from 12.86 million to 13.79 million as shown in the newest budget documents Breger15 (talk) 06:05, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

References

 Partly done: Updated total budget but the request for updating internal procedural minutae was not clear and therefor not done. Any interested reader can follow the links provided to find out how these processes work. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:52, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Florida State University was not founded in 1851

That's ridiculous. It was founded in 1947. deisenbe (talk) 07:58, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Evidence? ElKevbo (talk) 13:26, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm not going to dignify that with an answer. deisenbe (talk) 09:40, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

That's a surprisingly rude and unhelpful answer. Don't expect anyone to accept changes to this article if you can't provide any reliable sources that support your assertion. ElKevbo (talk) 13:18, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Wow, I expect better from an editor who had a master rank on their page. GreaterPonce665 ^(TALK) 21:00, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

This should be interesting. Sirberus (talk) 16:01, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Well I stumbled across this so here it is: "By legislative act Florida State College for Women became Florida State University on July 1, 1947." Right on an FSU page. https://web.archive.org/web/20110717171907/http://www.lib.fsu.edu/files/dlc/findingaids/FTaSU044.html

If I have a bad attitude it's because I'm burned out on Wikipedia and FSU (where I taught for 22 years). I've had to deal on this page with Seminole boosters who have a bad attitude, as I see it. deisenbe (talk) 15:40, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

It's completely routine and normal for colleges and universities (and all kinds of institutions) to fix their date of founding as the oldest date of any of its constituent or predecessor organizations. ElKevbo (talk) 23:48, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

FSU lists a fairly complete institution history in it's Fact Book: www.ir.fsu.edu/Factbooks/2019-20/History.pdf ElKevbo is correct.Sirberus (talk) 02:25, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2021

Change the president from John Thrasher to Richard McCullough 128.186.160.254 (talk) 15:23, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Melmann 15:29, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Proposed addition to alumni section

The Wikipedia article on Robin Swicord states that she is an FSU alumna. Swicord is a famous screenwriter and film director. 24.73.56.167 (talk) 06:23, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: She is already listed in List of Florida State University people. There are too many alumni of FSU with WP articles to list all of them in the main article. - Donald Albury 17:57, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Update FSU Endowment - Requested 2/12/2022

Can someone please edit? According to the 2021 Annual report, FSU's endowment is $897.6 M for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2021.

https://foundation.fsu.edu/about/financial-information

https://foundation.fsu.edu/sites/foundation.fsu.edu/files/documents/financial-documents/2021-ROG-V2-Web.pdf

23.121.33.31 (talk) 06:05, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

I updated the endowment and RoG data to the latest I could locate. Sirberus (talk) 21:33, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Added - External Financial Assessment Section

I added what I think is a remarkably noteworthy yet mostly overlooked section on what external stakeholders perceive about the university. There is no fluff or exaggeration - only what a dispassionate and critical investor sees in a public asset. This data should have long been included in the article in my view. Sirberus (talk) 21:39, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 April 2022

Change Provost Sally McRorie to Provost James J. Clark Beer4me (talk) 00:06, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:09, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Done - by another editor, but confirmed. Sirberus (talk) 22:46, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 August 2022

Change Ed Burr to Peter Collins DXS3000 (talk) 11:58, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I don't think this information is helpful for readers anyway so I just removed the outdated information. ElKevbo (talk) 12:19, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Libraries information

Please change

"The Robert M. Strozier Library is FSU's main library and is located in the historic central area of the campus adjacent to landis Green. The library consists of six floors with the main floor being the second floor. The main floor of Strozier Library underwent renovations starting in 2007 and reopened in 2008. The renovations added smart study rooms, an enlarged computer area, new circulation areas, a tutoring center, and the nation's first double-sided Starbucks.[142]Strozier Library is open 24-hours on weekdays during the fall and spring semesters. The library closes early on Friday and Saturday nights and maintains decreased hours during the summer semester.[143]"

To

"The Robert M. Strozier Library is FSU's main library. It is located in the historic central area of the campus adjacent to Landis Green and occupies seven floors. Strozier’s collections focus on Humanities, Social Sciences, Business, and Education. The facility has been renovated several times. In 2008, the lower floor reopened as the graduate- and faculty-focused Scholars Commons. In 2010, the main floor was transformed into an undergraduate-focused Learning Commons. The most recent renovation added smart study rooms, an enlarged computer area, new circulation areas, a tutoring center, and the nation's first double-sided Starbucks. [142] Strozier also houses the Special Collections and Archives division and Heritage Protocol. Strozier Library is open 24-hours on weekdays during the fall and spring semesters. The library closes early on Friday and Saturday nights and maintains decreased hours during the summer semester.[143]"

Footnote [143] should be changed to ^ "About the FSU Libraries." Florida State University. 2007. Retrieved September 1, 2012.

This change will correct several facutal errors including the number and organization of floors in the building and the dates of the renovations. The "L" in Landis Green should also be capitalized. I am the marketing and communications coordinator for the FSU Libraries, which could constitute a conflict of interest, but these changes are factual in nature and not controversial.

Nobel Laureates

Please mention about two nobel laureates associated with this institutions and their works. 103.230.105.31 (talk) 05:30, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Do you mean Paul Dirac, mentioned in this section, and Harold Kroto, mentioned in this section? Both of them, as well as Robert Mulliken and John Schrieffer, are listed in List of Florida State University people#Faculty winners of major honors. - Donald Albury 14:55, 26 August 2022 (UTC)