Talk:Battle of Unsan/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:42, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   B. MoS compliance:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Comments

1. 1st Cavalry Division needs disambiguation
   1. removed the wikilink
2. "By October 1950, the United Nations (UN) forces had successfully broken out of the Pusan Perimeter in the extreme south of Korea and began an aggressive northward advance" began -> begun
   1. Fixed.
3. "for the upcoming intervention in Korea" You mean that Mao was intending to intervene even if North Korea won? Re-phrase.
   1. Rephrased
4. "Under strict secrecy, the PVA entered Korea on October 15." Appleman, South to the Naktong, North to the Yalu, p. 766: "The first of these troops apparently crossed the boundary on 13 or 14 October, although it is possible that some may have crossed on the 12th." But if you're certain of your sources...
5. "1st Division" can you style the divisions consistently as "ROK X Infantry Division"?
   1. Fixed
6. "But with the UN forces spread thin across Korea, a 15 mi (24 km) gap between the US 24th Division and ROK 1st Division soon left the Korean left flank unprotected." You're making the gap active. Suggest: "a 15 mi (24 km) gap was left between the US 24th Division and ROK 1st Division, leaving the Korean left flank unprotected"
   1. Reworded
7. "the Chinese also set several forest fires" Suggest set -> started
   1. Fixed
8. "At the same time, the US 8th Cavalry Regiment had taken up positions around the town, with the US 1st Battalion" You mean the 1st Battalion, US 8th Cavalry?
   1. Replaced with US 8th Calvary...its 1st Battalion.
9. "But by 0300, a company of Chinese commandos from the 116th Division managed to infiltrate the battalion command post by disguising as ROK soldiers." by disguising -> disguised
   1. Fixed
10. "the Chinese forces advanced across the UN lines, intended to push the UN forces back across the Ch'ongch'on River' intended -> intending
    1. Fixed
11. "But logistics difficulties soon forced the Chinese to disengage" What logistical difficulties?
    1. Everything was short, food, ammunition, you name it. Clarified a little.
12. "the United Nations Command was still reluctant to believe that China had entered the war" This is at least partly attributable to the Chinese's own "volunteer" deception.
    1. Reworded and clarified. Before the Battle of Unsan, this argument holds, after the Battle of Unsan, this argument does not hold. Patrick Roe, who wrote the book on Chinese deception plan, attributed the deception to the Chinese withdraw while they were still winning. After all, Eighth Army captured around 20 Chinese POWs that identified the entire Chinese 13th Army was in Korea, and General Walker interviewed them himself. The real source of confusion was Chinese keep using the word "Unit" to designate "Corps".

       I thought the Chinese were doing this deliberately, referring to armies as "Units" and divisions as "battalions".Hawkeye7 (talk) 23:30, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

       Only some Chinese POW did, keep identifying themselves belongs to the 54th, the 55th and the 56th "Unit", others just tell Walker that the entire 13th Army with at least 3 Corps was in Korea. It's hard to excuse UN Command for missing something this big, and as Roe put it, the entire UN intelligence start to develop selective hearing. Jim101 (talk) 23:36, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

13. "General Douglas MacArthur ignored the Unsan disaster and launched the Home-by-Christmas Offensive" No, that's not right. MacArthur's reaction was: (A) If there are few Chinese forces in North Korea, to quickly overrun North Korea before there is a major build up; (B) If there are many, then to fall back to a more defensible position. The problem was that his intelligence didn't tell him which was the case, and therefore whether he should chose Plan A or B. But he didn't ignore it. Also, the Joint Chiefs did not alter his orders, which were to destroy the North Korean Army.
    1. Reworded it, he launched the offensive under a false impression.
14. Footnote required at the end of the last paragraph.
    1. Footnoted. Jim101 (talk) 22:55, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:42, 30 March 2010 (UTC)