Talk:Atari Panther

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Source Material

I am not sure how to cite things, but I found the following source for some information on the Atari Panther

http://www.gamingmagz.com/from-the-past/secret-specs-of-ataris-16-bit-panther.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.110.250 (talk) 04:40, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi there, I removed the part about colors and sprites, the source you linked to did not contain that information and it is impossible to have "unlimited sprites of any size." so I removed that line. I also removed the links from the External Links section as they were not reliable websites, one was nothing but a text file with information in a table anyone could have entered there were no sources on the page so it should not be used as a source itself. 75.135.217.204 (talk) 03:07, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

The One article is apparently false

So in a series of Facebook comments, Leonard Tramiel, who along with his brother Sam was a major part of the Panther design team, basically said that the article in the old British gaming magazine The One, which is used as a major source in this article, is, frankly, bullshit. The supposed events relayed in the article of a reporter getting to see a prototype from shortly after the decision to cancel the Panther in favor of the Jaguar never happened and never could have, as the Panther graphics chip never actually worked. It was found that the design, which had been prototyped on a breadboard, failed when the initial batch of actual chips from the foundry arrived, leaving only static on screen, and that fixing it would have set the project back by a year or more, so they decided to cancel it outright in favor of the Jaguar, which had been suggested and was in preliminary design. Considering some of the other claims in that article, like the supposed massive color pallet and the six controller ports were always implausible and never claimed elsewhere, the whole magazine article is clearly a fabulist's fantasy, and should be removed as a source, along with its false claims.

Also, the 3 games listed as being in development for the Panther weren't actually started until after they realized that the Panther didn't actually work, so they really were always intended for the Jaguar.

In short, the whole article here is repeating 30 year old falsehoods and needs to be entirely rewritten. oknazevad (talk) 00:45, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

I don't think we can use random comments on Facebook as verified sources. TheEmperorAnt (talk) 14:41, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Not random comments, but the verified account of the actual company heads at the time of its failure. They call the article false. It was removed as it failed proper verification from any reliable source. oknazevad (talk) 07:27, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, seriously. There is a difference between using something as a source and using something to debunk a bullshit source. I agree using Leonard’s statements as sources in the article is questionable because even though we know its him his statements have not been funneled through a third party that executes some kind of editorial oversight. However, when verified people come out and say a source that already appears suspect is a complete fabrication, then yeah, we can stop using that source without worrying about whether the debunking source itself can be used on Wikipedia. Indrian (talk) 19:48, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Atari Panther images

Hey all, just wanted to contribute by adding my Atari Panther 3D model. It was about time we updated the very old pencil sketch that was present here. I have a whole host of images relating to the Panther based on the official design diagram that Atari released, located here: https://web.archive.org/web/20031202031226/http://www.atari-explorer.com/jaguar-panther.html the spec sheet is also located on that page.

I have more angles of the 3D Panther image located here: https://imgur.com/a/lbdFc TheEmperorAnt (talk) 14:38, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Original name

It seems it was Super XE, later adopted the name Panther after its object processor which was called Panther. Setenzatsu.2 (talk) 01:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Source? Like, in the decades I've been aware of this cancelled console, I have never heard of that. Considering the XE GS was a market failure, I consider such a claim absolutely dubious and demand a source before believing I let alone considering putting it in the article (because that's the purpose of Wikipedia talk pages, to discuss article contents, not rumors about the article's subject). oknazevad (talk) 03:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Image Update

Requesting some additional opinions on updating the Atari Panther image to a 3D mockup, as opposed to a very old rough sketch. @Sergecross73 TheEmperorAnt (talk) 17:48, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

If we're going to use one of your renders, can we get a better angle than the one looking at it straight ahead from the front? It barely shows the overall shape of the design. The sketch at least shows that. oknazevad (talk) 18:07, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Done. Is this okay for you? I really wanted to start cleaning up this article but that old ugly sketch wasn't appealing.TheEmperorAnt (talk) 12:49, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Better. Can you do a three-quarter-top view similar to the lead images of say, the Super NES or Sega Genesis articles? Those are what system articles usually have.

that said, I'm still not entirely keen on an image that looks at first glance like an actual real piece of production hardware since the design failed in the prototype stage and they never actually existed. At least with the the sketch it was obvious that there was no completed system. The render is too clean, too realistic. In an era where digital manipulation and artifice is rife, it serves our readers best to make it as easy to see what is real and what is not. Let me make it clear, I don't think you're anything but well-intentioned, but I don't think a realistic fender of something that never existed is a good idea for a lead image. oknazevad (talk) 14:38, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

I think you're being unintentionally difficult about this.

Why is it Wikipedia's responsibility to make sure something looks fake? I just want the article to have a cool render of an unreleased console, instead of a very old and bad sketch. The sketch isn't even accurate. TheEmperorAnt (talk) 15:21, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Because I think it's inappropriate to have something that looks real and finished for a product that never made it past development. The render is a cool what-might-have-been, but it's still imaginary. I'd rather have no image at all than an imaginary one.oknazevad (talk) 15:27, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

• Hello. I got pinged to this discussion, though I have no history with the article, and have never even heard of this platform before now. My two cents:

1. I'm not sure either image is appropriate, as both appear to be unofficial fan creations.
2. The image is probably the least concerning part about this article. This article is extremely short and barren of information. If an editor were to nominate this for deletion at WP:AFD or request a WP:MERGE, it would almost certainly be merged into a more generic Atari article. If you guys care about this article, I'd recommend working on greatly expanding it with relaible sources that discuss it in detail before that happens. (I won't nominate it, but a bunch of editors seem to follow my edits, and they may. Or a WP:VG member just wander upon it on their own and take action...) Sergecross73 msg me 15:30, 24 September 2024 (UTC)