Talk:2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses

Request to include OSU Undergraduate Student Government scandal in Controversies/Administrative Response section

I request we add this to the 'Controversies/Administrative Response' section of this article:

On March 25, 2024, Ohio State University's Undergraduate Student Government (USG) proposed an initiative urging OSU to divest from companies profiting from human rights violations. The initiative received 1247 signatures, surpassing the required 1000. However, USG's Judicial Panel nullified it, citing invalid signatures allegedly due to petition dissemination on Instagram. OSU Students for Justice in Palestine claimed unfair targeting, alleging other candidates used similar methods without penalty. Leaked emails revealed pressure from Hillel International to veto the initiative, prompting accusations of "abuse of power" and leading to resignations of three USG justices.

Request to add sniper photograph to 'Police response' section

I request this photograph is added as a reference for the "long-ranged firearms" part of the 'police response' section in the article. This is a photograph of the sniper at The Ohio State University mentioned in the article.

File:OSU Gaza Solidarity Encampment Sniper.png

Officer on the Ohio Union aiming sniper at protesters at the Ohio State University Gaza Solidarity Encampment on April 25, 2024.

2024_pro-Palestinian_protests_on_university_campuses#Violence — Preceding unsigned comment added by Onlineone22 (talk • contribs) 02:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

a reference? or do you mean used as a photo in the article? User:Sawerchessread (talk) 02:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

I would primarily like to use this photo in the article.

As a secondary addition, we could theoretically link the photo in the form of a citation (such that clicking would redirect you to this photo's location in the article) right after the sentence:

"According to student newspaper The Lantern, state troopers with 'long-range firearms' were deployed at Ohio State University."

But I'm not too hellbent on making sure the link is added since those are pretty difficult to implement in my experience.

Onlineone22 (talk) 03:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

I personally think that this photograph seems relevant to add to the context of this article, but what is the source for it? It needs to be reliable. David A (talk) 03:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

I personally took this photograph at the event. I can send an email releasing copyright perms to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org if you believe this is necessary.

Onlineone22 (talk) 03:42, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

I just sent the copyright email to VRT!

Onlineone22 (talk) 03:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Added. Kire1975 (talk) 03:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Onlineone22 (talk) 04:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Requesting assistance editing Ohio State University protest article.

I recently created a related article detailing the college protests at Ohio State University. After this article was made extended-protected, I lost my ability to edit the article because I do not have EP permissions. Substantial details are missing from this article, so until I regain my permissions, I have been adding suggestions to the talk page of this article. But no one has been implementing my suggestions on the talk page, despite the fact they are supported by multiple sources and add significant missing details from the article.

If members of this community could please visit the talk page of this article and implement my requested changes, this would be deeply appreciated. Thank you!

Onlineone22 (talk) 17:14, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Intro is not correct

The protests did not start with mass arrests at Columbia. It started on October 7 in support of Hamas (with chants like “resistance is justified when people are occupied”). Encampments on college campuses started at Columbia in response to a congressional hearing to address antisemitism on college campuses in the wake of the October 7 massacre (several months after the massacre). The intro is incorrect and very misleading. 153.176.57.145 (talk) 11:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Where does it say that the protests started at Columbia University? The lede says they escalated there. In the body it mentions other protests and occupations. Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 20:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

It is misleading to leave out that the Columbia protest (in which initial arrests were made) was in response to a congressional hearing on antisemitism about earlier large protests in support of the October 7 massacre at Columbia and elsewhere. It is not even clear that protests were larger after the congressional hearing, just that encampments started to be erected. To start the article implying that substantial protests only really started after “arrested made at Columbia” is not correct. It also leaves out what shocked most people and the viral congregational hearing, the large support for the October 7 massacre. While their were many students who protested Israel’s military campaign (particularly after the congressional hearing), there was also a large portion protesting in support of Hamas, and that should be mentioned. I can include numerous news paper articles from right after October 7 to show the college protests were large then. 71.179.129.209 (talk) 05:44, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Sources? EvergreenFir (talk) 05:49, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/12/nyregion/columbia-university-israel-hamas-protests.html

https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/columbia-university-palestine-sjp-protest/tnamp/

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/11/04/us/us-students-impacted-by-israel-hamas-war

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/dueling-rallies-face-off-in-washington-square-park-in-support-of-israelis-palestinians/4777333/?amp=1

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cornell-professor-leave-remarks-about-exhilarating-hamas-attack-history-incendiary-rhetoric.amp

I can also include sources to the congressional hearing, which directly cite protests and antisemitic incidents. 71.179.129.209 (talk) 06:04, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

"More than 3,100 pro-Palestinian protesters arrested in spring — but many charges dropped: report"

This looks like an important follow-up on the protests. Is the College Fix reputable or do we need another source? [1]https://www.thecollegefix.com/more-than-3100-pro-palestinian-student-protesters-arrested-in-spring-but-many-charges-dropped-report/ Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 20:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

We need a more reliable source. I recently saw 3,000 referenced by RS but didn't get round to updating the article. CNC (talk) 20:39, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

 Done Not sure how you were trying to cite NYT with this edit [2], but have now added per this edit.[3] CNC (talk) 20:49, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Request to change Intro to including congressional hearing

The intro should include that the protest at Columbia (which lead to initial arrests) was in response to a congressional antisemitism hearing. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/21/nyregion/columbia-protests-antisemitism.html 71.179.129.209 (talk) 11:23, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

The lead is very long and the page does not mention in the body that the protests was in response to the congressional antisemitism. Per MOS:INTRO: The lead section should briefly summarize the most important points covered in an article in such a way that it can stand on its own as a concise version of the article. The article itself is not in the body and it doesn't even say that either. It draws a correlation between the hearing and alleged antisemitism, but it doesn't make a connection. Kire1975 (talk) 12:18, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

I think this sentence is the most problematic: “The escalation began after mass arrests at the Columbia University campus occupation, led by anti-Zionist groups, in which protesters demanded the university's disinvestment from Israel over its alleged genocide of Palestinians.” The source (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/who-are-some-people-groups-involved-us-college-protests-2024-04-28/) said student groups praised “Palestinian armed resistance” and mentions the congressional hearing. Nowhere in the source does it say the protests were in response to divestment or allegations of genocide. An article about recent college protests over the Israel-Hamas war should at least have some mention of support for Hamas (“Palestinian armed resistance”) at these protests and the congressional hearing. 71.179.129.209 (talk) 15:51, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

That’s one source that talks about CUAD more in general, ever since the start of the war.

The other source isn’t used. Also, please use WP:EDITREQUEST and the template there, as it makes it easier to answer these. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 21:31, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

I apologize, I am new to the Wikipedia editing process. I came across this Wikipedia article that seems to have glaring omissions. It mentions arrests without mentioning the congressional hearing or alleged support for Hamas. It does not even mention the October 7 massacre that initiated the protests in 2023. These omissions appear to paint the protests in a more positive light rather than being objective. I do not have a specific request, just that additional pertinent details be added (such as the congressional hearing, alleged support for “Palestinian armed resistance”/Hamas by some at these protests, etc.). 71.179.129.209 (talk) 01:09, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

So many citations in the lead

As of today, there are seventy (70) citations in the WP:LEAD of this page. Twenty-six of these articles are not even mentioned in the body.

Per WP:CITELEAD, Because the lead usually repeats information that is in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material. Although the presence of citations in the lead is neither required in every article nor prohibited in any article, there is no exception to citation requirements specific to leads. The necessity for citations in a lead should be determined on a case-by-case basis by editorial consensus.

While this is certainly a "Complex, current, [and] controversial subject", can we clean this up a bit and make it an accessible overview as required by MOS:INTRO instead of the mess that it is? Kire1975 (talk) 12:34, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

the section also states “ The verifiability policy states that all quotations, and any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports it.”

I think since this entire topic is inherently contentious, it may be better to leave inline citations in and just work on shortening the lede more. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 21:32, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

How to confirm that all 70 are likely to be challenged? The primary complaint is that 26 are in the lead but not in the body. Kire1975 (talk) 01:45, 5 August 2024 (UTC)