Talk:2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses/Archive 2

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Can we keep the mutli-hatnote?

I find the structure of articles on this topic to be somewhat confusing, and I imagine many a lay reader is confused as well. I understand that Wikipedia is not US-centric, and I don't want it to be, but these campus protests have been a US-centric event. The US protests have been the most significant and numerous, and started the movement. I personally have clicked through to the List of Protests article when trying to read about or edit some more obscure detail about the US protests, only to find that they aren't included in the regular list and have their own article. I find that counterintuitive because this is ultimately a US-centric event. I imagine many readers have done the same. The multi-hatnote allows the reader to understand up front how the child articles on this topic are organized so they can get where they need to go with less confusion. Unbandito (talk) 13:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Could this be addressed by some kind of sidebar or small navbox under the infobox? WP:HATNOTEs are ideally limited to one and hatnote over use can just make the whole thing confusing in another way. See WP:HATCHEAP. Kire1975 (talk) 14:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

There is a hatnote at the top of the List of protests for U.S. protests, which should make it clear enough. I realise it means two clicks to get to that content, but otherwise it's linked in the first line of the lead, as well as in the list of countries in infobox. I don't think we should have a hatnote for U.S. protests as well, without having one for Netherlands and California (list of protests), which would be excessive. The fact the U.S. protests have been the most significant isn't much of a reason to have a hatnote for them imo, as that article is now a grandchild of this one (a child of List of protests), and not a child of this article. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 11:01, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@Kire1975 I don't see anything in WP:HATCHEAP about limiting a hatnote to one link, but some kind of navbox is something I would compromise on if you all feel strongly about limiting the hatnote. WP:HATCHEAP says:

"2. Removing a hatnote will not save database memory. Only remove hatnotes that are a net negative for readers.

3. Do remove hatnotes that are:

misleading

confusing

needlessly astonishing"

I don't see this hatnote fitting any of that criteria.

@CommunityNotesContributor I don't think the US article should be considered a proper grandchild article, even if it is considered one under the structure of Wikipedia. Practically speaking, the List article was split in two, because there is roughly the same amount of coverage of protests in the US as there is in the entire rest of the world. In fact, the US article is almost 3x longer than its "parent"! This is clearly a US-centric event that warrants making it easy to navigate to a page with more detail about protests in the US. Furthermore, the parent List article is misleadingly titled because it gives no indication that it's about protests everywhere except in the US. I don't see a problem with that, since I can't think of an alternative title that isn't *too* US-centric, but I think that many readers will click the hatnote link expecting to find US protests, and a double hatnote can make sure everyone gets where they are trying to go on the first click. Unbandito (talk) 04:07, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

WP:HATCHEAP says "Do not add hatnotes for their own sake." If the purpose can be achieved with a sidebar navbox, then you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. These lists are very long.

Don't ignore what was said about WP:HATNOTE: "Ideally, limit hatnotes to just one at the top of the page or section. Multiple hatnotes may be appropriate when they serve different purposes, such as disambiguating topics with similar names and explaining redirects." Multiple hatnotes in this case would all serve the same purpose. Kire1975 (talk) 06:38, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

That's right, "Multiple hatnotes may be appropriate when they serve different purposes, such as disambiguating topics with similar names and explaining redirects." Seems to apply perfectly to this situation. I'm totally open to the idea of a navbox, but I don't know how to make one or what it would look like. All I feel strongly about is that the reader should be able to cleanly (in one click, without skimming this page) navigate to at least a summary of any specific protest they're looking for from this page. If you're able to make a navbox, that would be great. Otherwise I'll probably add the multi-hatnote unless a strong objection is raised. Unbandito (talk) 03:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)