Talk:2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident

Images to be added

Please add an image of the college building and/or protesting medical fraternity and/or candlelight vigils being held for the victim. VSankeerthSai1609 (talk) 11:41, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Discussion on Removing Victim's Name

Hi ZimZalaBim, Thank you for your guidance. I agree that this is an important discussion that should take place on the article's talk page.

I understand that creating a pseudonym is not the right approach according to Wikipedia's guidelines, and I appreciate your guidance on this. Given the sensitivity of this issue, I agree that the best course of action is to discuss this matter on the article's talk page to reach a consensus. My primary concern remains the ethical implications of including the victim's name, especially in a case involving such a severe crime. As mentioned earlier, while the name may be public, it does not necessarily mean it is appropriate to include it on Wikipedia, especially when doing so might cause further distress to the victim's family or inadvertently encourage the spread of such sensitive information.

Arijit Kisku (talk) 18:24, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

I would like to point out that the name has been published in the following media articles: [1] [2] -- Macrobreed2 (talk) 01:49, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

The colleagues of the victim have used the name on various platforms, even the images of the victim are being used for candlelight protests across. The victim being a medical student and the fact that the parents have also used her name and are active litigants in court can justify the usage of her real name. VSankeerthSai1609 (talk) 06:31, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't know about WP's policies but in India, printing or publishing the name or any other information that reveals the identify of a rape victim is forbidden even under the authorization of the next of kin. [3] ParallelLife (talk) 08:36, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

YES !

"The Indian Penal Code 1860 (IPC), Section 228A, forbids printing or publishing the name or any other information that reveals the identify of a rape victim (section 376, 376 A-E of the IPC). Both adults and minors should be aware of this." Nickuwunj (talk) 08:38, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Nickuwunj, WP:NOTCENSORED can shed some light on this. Thanks. — The Herald (Benison) (talk) 09:02, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

But the law exists solely to protect the identity of the victim, a purpose that would be defeated in this case.

I would suggest reffering to similar cases for a better insight. Nickuwunj (talk) 09:14, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Nickuwunj, Wikipedia doesn't come under the jurisdiction of Indian laws. 2012 Delhi gang rape case is another such example. — The Herald (Benison) (talk) 11:20, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Okay understood. Thanks. Nickuwunj (talk) 11:49, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

THE IDENTITY OF THE VICTIM IN THE KOLKATA GANG RAPE CASE HAS BEEN DISCLOSED ...SECTION 228A DOES FORBID USING THE NAME OF A RAPE VICTIM BUT IF THE FAMILY OF THE VICTIM HAS AGREED TO DISCLOSE THE NAME WHICH SO HAS HAPPENED IT IS NOT UNLAWFUL TO USE IT A VERY PERPETUAL EXAMPLE BEING THE NIRBHAYA CASE WHERE THE FAMILY HAS REVEALED THE NAME OF THE VICTIM. 103.101.213.119 (talk) 13:51, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Remove the name. It is immoral and unlawful SayaniReneePaul (talk) 20:39, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not subject to Indian laws. As for "immoral", you may need to explain a bit what you mean by that. AntiDionysius (talk) 20:40, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Do you have no morals? Can't you respect the deceased? SayaniReneePaul (talk) 20:43, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Please try to remain civil and respectful to other editors, even when discussing what is obviously a distressing and emotive topic.

It is not clear to me why hiding the victim's name is the respectful thing to do here; her family have released her name, and I don't think anyone would accuse them of being amoral or disrespectful in that regard. AntiDionysius (talk) 20:45, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Everyone has a right to privacy, and for victims of such heinous crimes, this right is paramount. In some countries, laws specifically protect the identity of rape victims to prevent them from being exposed to the public. For families of murder victims, the public disclosure of their loved one’s identity can cause ongoing pain and grief. They may be repeatedly confronted with news reports, social media discussions, and public curiosity, all of which can hinder their ability to grieve and heal in private. If victims believe that their identities will be disclosed, they may be less likely to report the crime. This is particularly concerning in rape cases, where victims might already be hesitant to come forward due to fear of not being believed or being blamed. Also the family's identity is blurred during interviews and they didn't reveal her name. I have watched interviews, they speak in bangla so Ig you won't be able to understand but if you do I hope you understand the situation. Thank you. God bless SayaniReneePaul (talk) 20:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Other people in this thread have said that the family have disclosed the name, though. And it is being repeated in media. Wikipedia wouldn't be revealing anything new; the information is already out there. AntiDionysius (talk) 21:05, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

They haven't revealed the name, the media in the state have used pseudo names to protect the identity. Please remove it. 2405:201:8011:35:8901:DAF1:8907:6E69 (talk) 21:25, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Its literally tending on twitter so @AntiDionysius is right. Nickuwunj (talk) 04:29, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

trending*** Nickuwunj (talk) 04:29, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

The family did not mention the name anywhere please follow the news 2405:201:8011:35:8901:DAF1:8907:6E69 (talk) 21:26, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

The reference next to the victims name contains her name. Knitsey (talk) 21:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

And there are numerous other news outlets publishing the name. As noted numerous times, Wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED nor subject to Indian law. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 21:43, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I know that the name has been published. But it is a case under investigation, and it is good practice to anonymise the victim until the investigation is completed. Wikipedia is not under Indian laws, but the case in discussion is under Indian legislation, so it would be best to at least hide the victim's name for the time being. Rhopalocera2023 (talk) 07:12, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Rhopalocera2023, If Wikipedia is not under Indian jurisdiction, then why to censor the name. Please read WP:NOTCENSORED. The name is in accordance to Wikipedia policies and if you want to hide it, you have to provide a Wikipedia policy stating so. Not other points. Furthermore, the name has been disclosed by the family itself and just like 2012 Delhi gang rape and murder, this article also follows the same principle. Remember that Wikipedia is a not a news channel or newspaper. This is an encyclopedia which provides information. — The Herald (Benison) (talk) 08:16, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. The name should be published 103.101.213.119 (talk) 11:24, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. The name should be published 103.101.213.119 (talk) 11:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Also agreed. There is no benefit in hiding the name. 98.194.78.91 (talk) 17:39, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Discussion to protect the article from fake news and bad writing

I've been watching this article since yesterday reverting several edits with misinformation or fake news while also correcting the numerous Grammatical Errors made by inexperienced editors. I suggest protecting this article atleast till it is under heavy media coverage. Nickuwunj (talk) 18:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

You shall raise a request at WP:RFP. -- Macrobreed2 (talk) 02:09, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Moving the article name to "2024 Kolkata gang rape and murder"

As per the reports (dated 15/08/2024) the case seems to be a gang rape and murder case. 1. I recommend moving the article name from "2024 R. G. Kar Medical College and Hospital rape and murder" to "2024 Kolkata gang rape and murder" for clear understanding.

Other article name references:

• 2019 Hyderabad gang rape and murder case
• 2012 Delhi gang rape and murder

Macrobreed2 (talk) 01:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

This would need to be established more strongly than "seems to be". --ZimZalaBim ^talk 01:59, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I agree with you here. Nickuwunj (talk) 06:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

"Seems to be" .. Not confirmed.

Arijit Kisku (talk) 08:33, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

"Reportedly"

I've been removing a ton of POV-ridden content that largely is from sources where something was "reportedly" the case. This isn't what an enecylopedia is for. Take your specultative opinions elsewhere, please. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 02:35, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Removal Of content

Why was the timeline of the incident under the arrest section removed ? Nickuwunj (talk) 06:07, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I suppose the editor gave this reason, "Wikipedia is not a true crime show". As much as I agree with the statement, however, few substantiated fats about the accused and few crucial incidents could have been kept in my opinion. VSankeerthSai1609 (talk) 06:36, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

What do you say about this, ZimZalaBim? Can't we keep few substantiated facts about the arrested accused? VSankeerthSai1609 (talk) 06:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I do not own this article. If there is consensus to include verifiable facts that improve the article, then edit it. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 12:13, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@ZimZalaBim 👍 VSankeerthSai1609 (talk) 17:04, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Need a background section

This article needs Background section like other articles. Mehedi Abedin 11:31, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Mehedi Abedin, You may add one yourself or if possible, find out references from reliable sources for the same. Thanks. — The Herald (Benison) (talk) 13:47, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Proposed merge of 2024 Meyeder Raat Dokhol Movement into 2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident

Where is the proof this is an established "movement" that deserves its own encyclopedia article? This should just be merged and redirected to 2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident where the aftermath is sufficiently covered. ZimZalaBim ^talk 12:10, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

the meyeder raat dokhol movement or women reclaim the night should be elaborated as it is a major revolution being brought about. the slogan of the movement being "WE WANT JUSTICE" 103.101.213.119 (talk) 13:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

• Merge. If the protest section gets long enough later then we can only make it an article. Mehedi Abedin 13:53, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

• yes 103.101.213.119 (talk) 13:57, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

THEY NEED NOT BE MERGED 103.101.213.119 (talk) 13:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

BECAUSE THE PROTEST THAT STARTED ON 11.30 PM ,14TH OF AUGUST HAS INFACT IN ONE NIGHT MADE A KIND OF HISTORY INDIA HAS NOT SEEN BEFORE WHERE WOMEN FIGHT FOR WHAT IS THEIR RIGHT , WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DENIED SINCE AS LONG AS ONE CAN REMEMBER AND ASK FOR JUSTICE FOR THE VICTIM . IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK? AND IT CERTAINLY IS LONG ENOUGH TO BE AN ARTICLE 103.101.213.119 (talk) 14:02, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Please don't WP:SHOUT; this is not a WP:SOAPBOX. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 14:30, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

--ZimZalaBimHOW DO YOU ASSUME I AM SHOUTING...BUT IF YOU THINK SO I APOLOGISE ...MY WRITINGS ARE IN CAPTALS AS MY KEYBOARD IS MALFUNCTIONING... 103.101.213.119 (talk) 15:10, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

The protests are the aftermath of the incident. They may not need another article. The information can be looked up in the article page itself. Protests occurred after the 2012 gang rape too. But as it is related to the incident, we can include that in the main article. VSankeerthSai1609 (talk) 17:40, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. No standalone notability per WP:GNG or WP:SIGCOV. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 14:16, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
• Merge As of now Meyeder Raat Dokhol Movement is not mentioned by any national media which questions it's notability. However, I'm in support of merging it with 2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident. ParallelLife (talk) 16:06, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
• Not Merge This movement protest is in wide range discussion across the media in India. The several developments to happen only in this article. So I don't think this should be merged. So I am against merging it.

  VNC200 (talk) 19:31, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

* Not merge - This is an established movement, by a lady named Rimjhim Sinha. Please search it. I don't think this article deserves to be merged with it. More development is yet to come, along with the reactions. I am against merging of it.

VNC200 (talk) 19:43, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

• Merge- Merge for now. Not notable enough to warrant a separate article. It hasn't been covered extensively. As someone previously mentioned, a separate article is only justified if the protest section becomes substantial enough

DangalOh (talk) 20:48, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@VSankeerthSai1609 protests held during the 2012 Delhi gang rape have a separate article elaborating the protests in it's Wikipedia page. And the protest having a name makes it all the more necessary to have a separate article to it. We must keep expanding the articles as the protests progress. I stand against merging it. 103.101.213.119 (talk) 11:32, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@103.101.213.119 If the article has a scope of expanding, then do not merge it. And could you please link the 2012 Delhi protests wiki page, I am not able to find it. VSankeerthSai1609 (talk) 15:45, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@VSankeerthSai1609 sure

2012 rape case hyperlink - Search (bing.com) 103.101.213.119 (talk) 05:17, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Delhi_gang_rape_and_murder#Public_protests 103.101.213.119 (talk) 05:19, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

@103.101.213.119 Yeah, that's not a separate article. It's a section of the main article. VSankeerthSai1609 (talk) 16:00, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Marge. The two incidents are related enough that two seperate articles should not exist on them individually. Kalpesh Manna 2002 (talk) 14:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• Merge. Please merge both the articles. Protests were held after the 2012 Delhi gang rape too, but they were related to the incident. This is the same case. Just because the protests occurred with a name doesn't necessarily mean it is a movement. If further protests and demonstrations in this name occurs, we may consider expanding the article. But for now, please merge it. User: VSankeerthSai1609
• Merge. There's a lot of overlap and as it has already been mentioned in its current state the article does not meet the standards for a standalone page. Keivan.f^Talk 14:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per above all. Waonderer (talk) 10:19, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Criticism of the Trinamool Congress Government

The section is largely unsourced and unattributed, citing only TOI and a YouTube video as sources. The section frequently mentions the ‘ministry,’ but this claim is entirely unsourced, as the cited references do not mention it. Additionally, it states, ‘It has also been alleged that the ministry deliberately tried to fabricate the case as a suicide.’ However, the cited source, TOI (an unreliable source), discusses Rahul Gandhi’s comments and does not mention ‘suicide’ at all. Furthermore, it claims, ‘Additionally, Udayan Guha, Trinamool politician and cabinet minister for North Bengal Development, has been accused of using his political power to suppress the voices of the parents and the protestors by discouraging their participation in the protests,’ but the cited source is a YouTube video. I noticed that this section was added by Shawn110. Please cite reliable sources here, or I will have to remove the section. GrabUp - Talk 13:35, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello GrabUp, thanks for reverting. I've found a source by News 18 but it is blacklisted. Please inform if it can be used for citation if not then last paragraph can be removed.

However the first paragraph has been cited from another source and I've made appropriate change to the text as it was modified by others. Shawn110 (talk) 14:42, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@Shawn110: News18 is not a blacklisted source. Please mention the source you are referring to. GrabUp - Talk 15:15, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

The source is News 18 only but thik the issue is with the url containing google.amp extension as per the error due to which is the issue is occurring. Shawn110 (talk) 16:00, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@Shawn110: Can you copy and past the actual headline. GrabUp - Talk 17:20, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Sure this is the headline: 'Don't Call Me If Your Husband Beats You': TMC Minister's Remarks On Women's Rally For Kolkata Doctor Sparks Outrage, BJP Reacts Shawn110 (talk) 17:32, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@Shawn110: Here is the article from News18; Please explain me where the sources says what you added; “Additionally, Udayan Guha, Trinamool politician and cabinet minister for North Bengal Development, has been accused of using his political power to suppress the voices of the parents and the protestors by discouraging their participation in the protests,” GrabUp - Talk 17:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

The source does not accuse anyone, nor does it mention that anyone accused him. The source merely covered his comments and nothing more. The source says ‘BJP reacts,’ but it does not include what the BJP’s reaction was or how they reacted. GrabUp - Talk 17:59, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I've removed that part earlier. Please don't bother. Shawn110 (talk) 18:01, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@Shawn110: Anything with 'google.amp' or other should not be used as URL for source, as they are just a kind of preview of original website. Use the original URL. There should be some square and arrow which takes you to real website, which could be named after News18 in this case. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 13:53, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor thank you for informing. Shawn110 (talk) 08:24, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Victim's "name" included in article with invalid source

Has anyone actually looked at the complete nonsense link that supposedly gives the name of the victim? You consider that source reputable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by HotRodHundley (talk • contribs) 21:45, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

The name is under the photo of the hospital. Knitsey (talk) 21:48, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, my point isn't that the victim's supposed name isn't literally on the page. HotRodHundley (talk) 00:12, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

You mean the name is correct but the source isn't good? Knitsey (talk) 09:01, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

HotRodHundley, the name of the victim is clearly mentioned in the page and India Today is a reliable source per WP:RS and WP:RS/P. — The Herald (Benison) (talk) 10:44, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

The source is not India Today, it's "hindipatrika.com", which is certainly not a reliable source, as even the slightest cursory review will make clear. HotRodHundley (talk) 15:33, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

It also appears to be literally the only source of this name. Completely invented. HotRodHundley (talk) 15:34, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

If this negligence is going to be left up then remove the protection. What's the point of it? HotRodHundley (talk) 01:11, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

HotRodHundley, I'm not sure which link you are referring to. I'm talking about the India Today reference given in the infobox of the page, in the lede. — The Herald (Benison) (talk) 08:45, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Also called 'Nirbhaya 2'

Suggestion to add the phrase that this is also referred by some as 'Nirbhaya 2', as the similarities in national level rallies and condolences. Danish AMC (talk) 10:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Danish AMC, Please provide multiple reliable sources supporting your claim for verifiability. Thanks. — The Herald (Benison) (talk) 10:41, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 16 August 2024

2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident → 2024 Kolkata rape and murder – Incident was pointlessly added to the title in an undiscussed move. 2A00:23EE:1928:8C3:951B:C401:3A56:519A (talk) 15:17, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - As per @Succubus MacAstaroth Thewikizoomer (talk) 03:24, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - I don't like this proposal. "2024 Kolkata rape and murder" sounds like it should be a list or discussion of all the rape and murder that has happened in Kolkata this year. I vote to leave "incident" in the title. Succubus MacAstaroth (talk) 22:46, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• @Succubus MacAstaroth The list of all murders in Kolkata will be probably Crime in Kolkata or Crime in Kolkata in 2024. Soni (talk) 11:44, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Per the user above. It's too generalized and vague. Rape and murder 'what'? Incident? Case? Keivan.f^Talk 05:37, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
  • Looking at Template:Rape in India, I think 2024 Kolkata rape and murder case would be a more appropriate title. Keivan.f^Talk 19:53, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

    In most of the ones ending with 'case' in [:template: rape in india]] the case is prominently covered and a large part of the focus of the article itself (see: 2009 Shopian rape and murder case or 2014 Birbhum gang rape case. There are many, many ones where there is no 'case' or 'incident' in the title. Most of the ones that reached national/international notoriety and the level of outrage we're seeing now (i.e., 2012 Delhi or 2020 Hathras, don't mention 'case' or 'incident' in the title. Schwinnspeed (talk) 21:59, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support. This article was moved from the title 2024 R. G. Kar Medical College and Hospital rape and murder to the title 2024 Kolkata rape and murder on the grounds the latter was more WP:CONCISE, WP:PRECISE, and more WP:CONSISTENT with the naming of similar articles, after a discussion. Subsequently, Thewikizoomer moved the article to the current title without any discussion or explanation. The word "incident" adds no value and could be perceived as minimising this crime, as it suggests it was not a crime, but something else. If the issue is that the title is too general ad vague, then perhaps the word "hospital" or "doctor's" could be added to the title, instead. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 10:19, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support per precedent in Template:Rape in India or other similar pages. The word "incident" adds nothing to the description or searchability, and WP:CONCISE suggests we should drop it. I'd have moved it back already, given the undiscussed move first (per WP:BRD) but it might be worse for current discussion.

Also, there may be WP:ENGVAR issues in play since "Rape and murder" is a perfectly acceptable noun, but I think it's percieved by some commenters as an adjective. If this fails, I prefer moving to 2024 Kolkata rape and murder case instead, it's the other keyword similar articles share. Soni (talk) 11:44, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Note: Noticeboard for India-related topics has been notified of this discussion. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 13:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography, WikiProject Death, WikiProject Human rights, WikiProject Sexology and sexuality, WikiProject India/Women and gender issues, WikiProject Law Enforcement, and WikiProject Law have been notified of this discussion. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 13:15, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

@2A00:23EE:1928:8C3:951B:C401:3A56:519A

• Weak Support Wouldn't it be better to name the article Rape and Murder of Moumita Debnath? When searching for the article, would this not be the most recognisable name? EmilySarah99 (talk) 14:13, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

  Comment: While Moumita Debnath redirects to this article, naming this article should use a recognizable name. At the moment this appears to be the Indian city where the crime occurred, not the victim of the crime. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 21:28, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support I think "2024 Kolkata RG College Rape and Murder" would be even better. But I vote to strike "incident" out. I don't think most media outlets are using the victim's name at the moment too prominently to avoid revictimizing her family at the moment. Cononsense (talk) 15:03, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support Per @Cameron Dewe. Waonderer (talk) 16:20, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support per all above. The undiscussed move was totally unnecessary. The addition of 'incident' is superfluous and is not in accordance with the main template. As Soni suggested, other crimes can be covered under a different title. Till another similar incident (God forbid) occurs in Kolkata which garners enough SIGCOV and warrants another article title, we can change the title then.The Herald (Benison) (talk) 16:47, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support I was originally thinking oppose, as it does sound strange not to include 'incident', and for people unfamiliar per WP:AUDIENCE, it can give the impression its about ALL the cases in Kolkata in 2024. But looking more closely at Template: Rape in India (per @Soni above, the 2012 Delhi gang rape and murder, the 2019 Hyderabad gang rape and murder, the 2020 Hathras gang rape and murder all follow this format and we should be consistent. There are many others as well but it makes me a little sick to type them all out but the point is there is precedent and we should follow it for consistency. Schwinnspeed (talk) 21:46, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

  Comment the fact that this happens enough to warrant a template for this on WP is also a pretty hard hitting reality. Schwinnspeed (talk) 22:01, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

  The other precedent on this other than template above is listed at Category:Violence against women in India template (Neither template is exhaustive but both are large, depressingly so). The term "murder case" or "rape case" appears semi consistently in the articles, but not enough to establish a clear precedent. So I am also okay with us trying to establish a consensus for "case" and switching everything to it. Soni (talk) 09:08, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support: per WP:CONCISE as "incident" is unnecessary. However, per WP:OTHEROPTIONS and WP:DEATHS (and WP:NOTCURRENTTITLE) I would also offer up Killing of Moumita Debnath as an alternative.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 23:32, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
• Weak Support per nom and above arguments. I'd like to also point out that her name is more trending than "Kolkata rape" or "Kolkata murder" respectively, according to the Google Trends. Therefore, adding her name to the article would make more sense. Personally, I haven't seen anyone using her pseudo name i.e. Abhaya, on my social media feed. Unlike 2012 Delhi gang rape and murder, everyone is using her real name and picture for the protests. ParallelLife (talk) 05:30, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support: Name should be changed as per Wikipedia convention and norms. Kalpesh Manna 2002 (talk) 08:42, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support: As per Bait30, including the alternative article title of Killing of Moumita Debnath. Melbguy05 (talk) 12:50, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support - the removal of "incident". Oppose "Killing/Murder of [name]" since the victim's name is mentioned in just one of the headlines of the sources used, and she is not even the main subject there. BinaryBrainBug (talk) 16:51, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support: Adding 'incident' seems redundant. Waqar💬 17:14, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support per precedent and titling guidelines. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:55, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Soumitra Biswas

We should mention the 2001 Soumitra Biswas incident somewhere in this article (I would add a link to OpIndia but I can’t get it to successfully post for some reason) Overlordnat1 (talk) 10:48, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Overlordnat1, Relevance? (See WP:RELEVANCE and WP:DUE) It can be mentioned in section called history, but I really doubt there is any notability for that. This article is about the 2024 incident, not other issues related to the college. That can be put in the medical college article with relevant reliable sources. Thanks. — The Herald (Benison) (talk) 11:47, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

@Overlordnat1: OpIndia is considered unreliable source and thus it is deprecated (blocked) from being used on Wikipedia. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 12:30, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 August 2024

Under the "Arrest" subsection, change the following grammatically incorrect sentence:

"He is a trained boxer and close to few higher officials at the Kolkata Police"

to

"He is a trained boxer with connections to a few high-ranking officials in the Kolkata Police." 2405:201:D002:319D:E1AB:F865:25D4:535A (talk) 18:15, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

 Done The Herald (Benison) (talk) 18:22, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

“150gm semen” is misinformation

Semen is measured in ml, average male can ejaculate 5ml of semen. 150gm of semen means it involves 100 people. So this is a clear misinformation. There was no info of 150gm semen in postmortem report 2406:7400:C4:7D17:0:0:0:100 (talk) 19:42, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Provide a source that disputes the info presented in sources that are already cited within the article. Keivan.f^Talk 19:49, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

It's just a misreading: the article says mg (milligram), not gm (gram). --JBL (talk) 20:24, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Multiple sources have reported, via release of information from the parents, that the the autopsy report says 150 milligrams of semen was found in the vaginal swab. Using 1.0173 g/mL as density, that is 0.1475 millilitres, or around one-twentyth of one average ejaculation of 3.4 mL

This is how much was found in a swab, during the autopsy. The sources don't state how much is typically found in a swab, but a doctor is quoted in one source "That quantity cannot be of one person. It suggests the involvement of multiple people" 147.147.154.28 (talk) 13:40, 18 August 2024 (UTC) 147.147.154.28 (talk) 13:40, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

References

Remove the victims name! You are against the law in revealing her identity!

revealing name of victim of rape is a crime in India. Section 72 of BNS. 74.98.224.45 (talk) 18:06, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia operates under the laws of the United States, not India. Cullen328 (talk) 18:17, 18 August 2024 (UTC)