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Players who didn't play for champion teams

Say a player is in the active roster for a team, suited up every game but never played a single game for some reason (most likely coach's decision), then that team won the title. That player got included in the awarding ceremony and got his own ring or something. My question is, do we add that achievement to that player's infobox highlights? I cannot find a case in the NBA where a player didn't play any game, but is in the active roster, both in the regular season and playoff for a champion team. ^{Dieter Lloyd Wexler} 16:36, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

If a player did not play a game for a team, his supposed team won't even be listed in the infobox; so to answer your question, no. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:40, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Unless he was injured for the season. Joel Embiid is listed as a player for the 76ers from 2014 despite not playing any games during the 2014-15 and 2015-16 seasons. Alvaldi (talk) 18:15, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Apparently this was discussed before. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Basketball Association/Archive 34#Playing tenures, with the Embiid example. Howard the Duck (talk) 20:09, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

See WP:NBARING. WP:NBA only lists if player was on playoff roster, regardless if they played or not. —Bagumba (talk) 20:06, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

why is the answer to this important if it has never occurred before? Rikster2 (talk) 20:55, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

It might not be in the NBA, but it has in the PBA, considering that tournaments are very short. ^{Dieter Lloyd Wexler} 21:04, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

CBA non-roster players

I am working on User:TonyTheTiger/sandbox/Todd Leslie. Did the CBA have a practice squad of non-roster players?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:37, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:National Basketball Association#Requested move 28 February 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:National Basketball Association#Requested move 28 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. -- ZooBlazer 06:47, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Requested multiple moves at Talk:1992 PBA All-Filipino Conference Finals#Requested move 1 March 2024

A request for multiple pages to be moved is taking place at Talk:1992 PBA All-Filipino Conference Finals#Requested move 1 March 2024, which may interest this WikiProject's members. GoodDay (talk) 16:43, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Carrying (basketball)

The article Carrying (basketball) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Carrying is colloquial but I have not come across a rule book or ruleset that lists carry(ing) as a violation. From what I've come across, the rulesets define the carry as the hand dropping below the basketball, but it only serves to stop a live dribble. If a player dribbles again after stopping his dribble, whether or not a carry is used to stop the dribble, a double dribble violation is called. If a player lifts his pivot foot after stopping his dribble and places it back down without shooting or passing the ball, whether or not a carry is used to stop the dribble, a traveling violation is called. Suffice it to say there is no carry violation in the rule book.

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I don't think this is a good prod candidate. It needs more eyes on it. There is some legitimate confusion over what constitutes "carrying," but the term commonly appears in basketball discourse (for example, [1]). Zagalejo (talk) 23:08, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Isn't "carrying" another form of traveling (basketball)? As WP:ATD, it should be redirected instead to that article. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:00, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

There are separate hand signals for traveling and carrying (see page 63 of FIBA's rules). Zagalejo (talk) 04:27, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Ooooh so these are different violations, at least FIBA-wise, right? Howard the Duck (talk) 20:32, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

It appears so. Zagalejo (talk) 22:52, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

About Draft:Alimat Abiola

Hello all,

This draft is currently (about 10 am UTC 18 Mar 2024) tagged for speedy speedy deletion.

As you can see, the draft's only references are from EuroBasket statistics.

It would appear from this and this that she may have played College Basketball for the - "(EX Arkanases, USA)", in that "leadership.ng" mention but presumably Arkansas Razorbacks women's basketball, and may well have been picked as a participant in the Nigeria women's national basketball team in "call-up list of players" (sports247.ng mention) for preliminary matches leading up to Women's basketball at the 2024 Summer Olympics.

I would appreciate your opinions and assistance with this.

Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 10:18, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

I've cleaned it up and it is no longer tagged for speedy speedy deletion. It does however need significant coverage to be moved back to mainspace. She seems to come from England and attended three colleges in the United States where she played college basketball. I only did a brief search for sources but didn't come up with anything that was both independent of the subject and significant. Alvaldi (talk) 11:27, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

"Referees" or "Officials" in Template:Basketballbox?

There is a discussion relevant to this project at Template talk:Basketballbox, requesting that the word "referees" be replaced by "officials". Please contribute there if you have a comment. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:19, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Professional chronology in articles

I am participating in the WP:CUP. I am trying to score a lot of points at WP:GA. User:AirshipJungleman29 reviewed my Talk:Jordan Murphy (basketball)/GA1 nomination and I am now having second thoughts on my response. It is commonly accepted to have a new subsection for each new team affiliation in a bio. Typically, in these subsections we merely note when a player signed with a team, was traded or left a team. He asked me to try to avoid sequential stubby paragraphs and I merged a bunch of minimal paragraphs. Should I be doing this. Is it O.K. to have limited transaction announcement style paragraphs?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:45, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

People do it, but it's poor form for GA. Per MOS:OVERSECTION:

Very short sections and subsections clutter an article with headings and inhibit the flow of the prose. Short paragraphs and single sentences generally do not warrant their own subheadings.

—Bagumba (talk) 04:25, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Sydney Johnson USA Basketball role

I am having a bit of trouble understanding which role Sydney Johnson had for USA Basketball that is described as "a team scout for the USA Basketball February 2020 FIBA AmeriCup Qualifying Team." I see 2022 FIBA AmeriCup qualification and {{FIBA AmeriCup}} does not include a 2020 team.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:10, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

2022 FIBA AmeriCup qualification spanned from 2018 until 2021, with the USA playing between Feb 2020 and Feb 2021. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:35, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

photo evaluation on Victor Hampton (American football)

cross-posted from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject American football § photo evaluation on Victor Hampton (American football)

The person pictured on Victor Hampton (American football) is playing basketball, but there's no mention of any basketball career. While the Flickr page says it's Victor Hampton and it's a Gamecocks account (and he played for the South Carolina Gamecocks football team), I wonder if there is any chance it's the wrong guy.

Would someone with more sports knowledge help out here? = paul2520 💬 19:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Paul2520. Honestly, I wouldn't recognize Victor Hampton, but looking at the Flickr link, the picture seems to have been taken at a charity basketball game, rather than an official college basketball event. There were probably several people involved who were locally notable but not members of the South Carolina basketball team. Zagalejo (talk) 01:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

That makes sense & is a relief. Thank you, Zagalejo! = paul2520 💬 02:12, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Note

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpe_Adria_Cup

Article forbids linking countries... 93.143.139.254 (talk) 13:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia rules, wikilink should not be used for countries. Maiō T. (talk) 16:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

New Zealand men's national basketball team

I have tagged New Zealand men's national basketball team with {{too many sections}} and {{very long}}. Just reaching out here to gauge interest in any clean up. Thanks. DaHuzyBru (talk) 02:28, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

I assume the edits in question were related to the likely block evader? The WP:EVASION policy says:

This does not mean that edits must be reverted just because they were made by a banned editor ... but the presumption in ambiguous cases should be to revert.

—Bagumba (talk) 05:26, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

The page was edited heavily by a now-blocked user. I'm not seeking to have all their contributions reverted, but rather checking if anyone else agrees that the page has too many sections and is too long. DaHuzyBru (talk) 13:00, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Got it. If the topic should remain ambiguous, you should feel comfortable to pare it down, if you choose. Best. —Bagumba (talk) 13:50, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Oldest basketball player

I have started a discussion at Talk:List of oldest professional athletes by sport#Oldest basketball player. I have found newspaper articles that confirm Whitey Von Nieda appeared in a professional game in 1978 when he would have been aged 55; neither source mentions his age. Any assistance in how to prove this feat would be appreciated. CalDoesIt (talk) 05:18, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

National under-16 and under-17 basketball team

A national under-16 team that advances from a continental championship to a world championship will automatically become a national under-17 team. Many articles use both age categories in the title. And many don't. Compare these examples:

• Germany men's national under-16 and under-17 basketball team
• Germany women's national under-17 basketball team

So I would propose that all under-17 articles be renamed to "(Country) men's/women's national under-16 and under-17 basketball team". Could you comment on that? Thanks.
(My proposal also applies to U18/U19 teams.) Maiō T. (talk) 16:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

There is one more thing to note: FIBA Americas and FIBA Oceania also organize under-15 championships. So if we take Australia for example, the name of the article should look something like this:

• Australia men's national under-15, under-16 and under-17 basketball team

It's all the same team that plays three championships in three years. (The proposed title is quite long; it might be better to write it as ...under-15/16/17...) I've been waiting for someone to answer me for ten days. This debate needs to get going. User:Pelmeen10, we recently talked about this topic, could you comment here as well? Maiō T. (talk) 11:17, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

I would've made the u-16 the article name then redirect u-17 to it. Only 16(?) teams qualify to the u-x world championship and for most countries the u-16 and the u-18 are the primary teams. Howard the Duck (talk) 12:53, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

The article title needs to reflect the content too, so teams not participating in both competitions don't need the change, but those who do - yes, I support the rename. I haven't yet familiarized myself too much with the non-european teams. Have you checked all the articles and write it more clear what articles would you like to rename? In "current title → new title" format.

I would say go ahead and rename the pages if nobody disagrees. If you don't get enough feedback, or would like include more participants, you can start a page moving process. Check Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting multiple page moves Pelmeen10 (talk) 16:09, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@Howard the Duck: Your idea is romantic. If it was the only proposal, I would vote for it. But now, there is the proposal that I and Pelmeen10 support.

@Pelmeen10: Do you think I should add those articles for renaming here to this discussion? Maybe there will be a hundred of them...

• Belgium women's national under-17 basketball team → Belgium women's national under-16/17 basketball team
• Czech Republic women's national under-17 basketball team → Czech Republic women's national under-16/17 basketball team
• France women's national under-17 basketball team → France women's national under-16/17 basketball team
• Germany women's national under-17 basketball team → Germany women's national under-16/17 basketball team
• Hungary women's national under-17 basketball team → Hungary women's national under-16/17 basketball team
• Italy women's national under-17 basketball team → Italy women's national under-16/17 basketball team
• Latvia women's national under-17 basketball team → Latvia women's national under-16/17 basketball team
• Portugal women's national under-17 basketball team → Portugal women's national under-16/17 basketball team
• Russia women's national under-17 basketball team → Russia women's national under-16/17 basketball team

This is the European Women's U17 category. I'll look at the other categories tomorrow, it's late tonight. Maiō T. (talk) 20:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

2024 Olympics

For anyone who's in an article-creating mood, the 2024 Summer Olympics starts in two weeks and there's several qualified basketball players missing articles: see up to 5 in the men's 5x5 tournament, up to 32 in the women's 5x5 (though not all rosters finalized), 12 in the men's 3x3, and 10 in the women's 3x3. Any with interesting facts can be featured at DYK during the Olympics; see Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Special_occasion_idea:_Olympics for more information. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:27, 12 July 2024 (UTC)