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Empress Matilda edit

Nominator(s): Hchc2009 (talk)


I am nominating this article for A-Class review because the Empress Matilda was one of the medieval period's rare female, war-time rulers. Proud, imperial and unwilling to give up what she regarded as her rightful inheritance, she helped shape the course of the Anarchy in 12th century England. Definitely a powerful individual and enjoyable topic to research. Hchc2009 (talk) 16:25, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support on prose per standard disclaimer. These are my edits. - Dank (push to talk) 19:02, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Huge thanks for the copy edit Dank, very much appreciated! Hchc2009 (talk) 19:04, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Happy to help. - Dank (push to talk) 19:25, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support A well-written and thoroughly researched article. A few comments:

  • Minor disclaimer: we're talking about events that my own ancestors participated in. So when I saw Stephen of Blois I instantly thought, well of another Stephen of Blois that I thought was more famous. But alas, he only has a start class article. But I digress.
  • Empress Matilda (c. 7 February 1102 – 10 September 1167), also known as the Empress Maude or Matilda of England, was the leader of one of the factions in the English civil war known as the Anarchy. I don't think this really sums up her major claim to fame. Was she not the first and only woman to claim the English throne in her right before Tudor times?
  • Probably - although it isn't something that stressed in the works I've read about her. Hchc2009 (talk) 08:35, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The final details of the deal were negotiated at Westminster in June 1109 Is this the Palace of Westminster?
  • The original source simply gives Westminster as the location. Hchc2009 (talk) 08:35, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Anglo-Norman barons were gathered together at Westminster on Christmas 1126 Is this the Palace of Westminster?
  • Again, the original source simply gives Westminster as the location. Hchc2009 (talk) 08:35, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Matilda now began to take the necessary steps to have herself crowned queen in his place, which would require the agreement of the Church and her coronation at Westminster. I think this should link to Westminster Abbey and not westminster cathedral.
  • "Excommunication" appears in the Marriage to the Emperor section but is linked further down.
  • Several of Matilda's key supporters passed on. Per WP:EUPHEMISM, it would be better to say they "died".
  • Popular, and not always accurate, biographies were written by the Earl of Onslow and Nesta Pain in 1939 and 1978, Suggest Popular, and not always accurate, biographies were written by the Earl of Onslow in 1939 and Nesta Pain in 1978
*Fixed. Hchc2009 (talk) 08:35, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "According to 16th century standards, Matilda had a clear right to the English throne" Would they not then have wondered why Henry VII was on the throne and not Margaret of York?
*Possibly - although historians aren't always logical (and I doubt anyone would have wanted to tell the Tudor kings that...) Hchc2009 (talk) 08:35, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Succession box: Stephen of Blois did not succeed Matilda as the Lady of the English. Not sure what this box is supposed to convey.
  • Agreed - fixed. Thanks for the review Hawkeye. Hchc2009 (talk) 08:35, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hawkeye7 (talk) 04:31, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • One last thing: her father's relationships with numerous mistresses resulted in around 23 illegitimate siblings vs Footnote 2: Henry, had a considerable sexual appetite and enjoyed a substantial number of sexual partners, resulting in a large number of illegitimate children, at least nine sons and 13 daughters but 9 + 13 = 22 Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:38, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - a really superb article. I made a few small edits, and have one question: is it FitzCount or Fitz Count? I saw both in the article. Parsecboy (talk) 20:00, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Ping Hchc2009. If you can address Parsec's query, I'll promote the article. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:22, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry Parsec, I missed your comment during the week! Can be spelt either way, but yep, should be standardised, and have done so. Hchc2009 (talk) 17:41, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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