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01:09, 21 August 2023 review of submission by Incognitopublisher

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Although this article has received coverage from national news media in India, it has been nominated for rejection due to insufficient evidence of significant coverage. Could someone kindly assist me in identifying more reliable and independent sources that could support its content? Is national news not considered a reliable source of information? The list of prominent national news outlets includes Times of India, NDTV, Aaj Tak, News18, Jagran, Times Now, Hindustan, and Zee News. We need to engage in a discussion regarding the level of coverage required. Alternatively, please provide guidance on which news media or website coverage would be considered reliable for creating an article. Incognitopublisher (talk) 01:09, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Incognitopublisher. Our article Paid news in India describes the unethical practices of many Indian news sources, especially when it comes to the entertainment industry. This affects the Times of India, Zee News, Hindustan Times, and many other news outlets. As for the references in your draft, they seem very weak to me, and likely generated by paid public relations activity. We need significant coverage in fully independent reliable sources in order to establish notability. Cullen328 (talk) 01:29, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

10:26, 21 August 2023 review of submission by VishalParmar1

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why my submission was rejected VishalParmar1 (talk) 10:26, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pravin Parmar does not meet the strict notability threshold as explained in this policy: Wikipedia:Notability (people). Hope that helps, Qcne (talk) 10:34, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

11:10, 21 August 2023 review of submission by Shabiha Tasnim

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It is not promotional. How can I make it acceptable? Shabiha Tasnim (talk) 11:10, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft was deleted for unambiguous promotion or advertising. The fact it was titled 'MD Munib Fuyad's Bio' (emphasis mine) is a poor start. Wikipedia articles are about people, not for people.
Please carefully read Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not which details that Wikipedia is not a social media site or a way to promote a subject. Qcne (talk) 11:25, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

12:11, 21 August 2023 review of submission by Artendeavour789

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I am requesting assistance to update the sub title of Richard Malone (designer) to Richard Malone (artist) as Richard Malone is a practicing visual artist as opposed to "designer" Artendeavour789 (talk) 12:11, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Both Draft:Richard Malone (Artist) and Richard Malone (designer) – which is an article, not a draft – exist, with the same content. If you want Draft:Richard Malone (Artist) deleted, then click "edit" and paste this text: {{delete|G7}}. It will tag it for speedy deletion at the sole author's (your) request, and will be soon deleted by an administrator. Edward-Woodrow :) [talk] 12:20, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You should use the "move" function not submit a new draft and do you have a conflict of interest with the subject by any chance? Theroadislong (talk) 12:22, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
no conflict of interest. they are an artist as opposed to designer. so ideally would change the exiting article (designer) to (artist) Artendeavour789 (talk) 12:55, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia goes with what the reliable sources say, and most seem to call him a designer [1]. Theroadislong (talk) 12:59, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
ah I see, they would call themselves an artist however. so it is not possible to change what is in the disambiguation terms? Artendeavour789 (talk) 13:18, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Artendeavour789 Yes. Read all of the thread. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 13:21, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
{{Admin help}} is it possible to change the subtitle "designer" to "artist" Artendeavour789 (talk) 13:29, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Just use the move function. You don't need to be an administrator. Edward-Woodrow :) [talk] 13:31, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Artendeavour789: per which source (would they call themselves an artist)? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:30, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Artendeavour789: I'm assuming you want the published article moved to a different title? In which case, this is not done by submitting a copy of it for AfC review.
The disambiguation term (in the brackets) is only there to distinguish the article from others with the same name; therefore, as long as it isn't incorrect, it shouldn't really matter whether it says 'designer' or 'artist'.
That said, anyone, including yourself, can move the article. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:22, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
thank you. is it possible to change it? Artendeavour789 (talk) 12:26, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Artendeavour789 Yes. Read all of the foregoing. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 12:43, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

13:10, 21 August 2023 review of submission by Uzungol1

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Hello, Would it be possible to accept the draft of the article please? Uzungol1 (talk) 13:10, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Uzungol1. You've submitted your draft for review, as it states in the notice this may take four months or longer due to the current backlog. Please be patient. Qcne (talk) 13:13, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, apologies I thought it might have be accelerated since I already waited the 4 months prior to it being declined and resubmitted Uzungol1 (talk) 14:48, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No. There is no queue. There is no sequence. There is no order. There is no priority. There is a heap of drafts from which the volunteer reviewers pick up the ones they choose to work on. Sometimes reviewers may look at how long drafts have been waiting, and choose the oldest to work on, but there is no guarantee of this. (And often, the oldest ones have been there longest precisely because they look difficult to review). ColinFine (talk) 13:58, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

14:16, 21 August 2023 review of submission by Dr Ajay Prakash Pasupulla

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Why my article was declined My article was declined which is actually a autobiography. The editor is saying articles about self or individual persons are not available but kindly check the below link he is also an individual and his article was approved and also we can see plenty of self articles are approved, How?? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddhartha_Mukherjee Dr Ajay Prakash Pasupulla (talk) 14:16, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Dr Ajay Prakash Pasupulla.
Please very carefully read the policy on biographies of living people here: Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons.
Unfortunately Wikipedia has millions of articles and many are not suitable, they simply have not been improved or removed yet. The existence of another article has no bearing on how your draft will be judged. Qcne (talk) 14:24, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Dr Ajay Prakash Pasupulla I would also add to the above that the fact that an article exists does not necessarily mean it was "approved" by anyone. 331dot (talk) 14:57, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And the article Siddhartha Mukherjeewas created by an editor called Sealpoint33 (who has worked on many different articles) and edited by 277 different editors. There is no reason to suppose that Mukherjee had any involvement in the article. ColinFine (talk) 14:04, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

14:51, 21 August 2023 review of submission by Patricia Mannerheim

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HI.I have added three new, reliable, independent and secondary sources to the article. In addition to Farsi, two sources are also in English. But one word has confused me: Lecturer. My question: Is this university world class? Raitng maybe? I added this title to the article. Does my edit meet the policies? What is its alternative word in English Wikipedia? Assistant Professor? or something else.Best. Patricia (Talk) 14:51, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Patricia Mannerheim. It looks like Mehdi was not actually employed by the University as a teacher or professor, so I think public speaker would be better?
Your last clause in the opening sentence is suffering a bit from Wikipedia:Citation overkill however. Maybe reduce it to just the three strongest references? Qcne (talk) 15:02, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've also tidied up some of the grammar as it wasn't quite correct English in some places. Qcne (talk) 15:06, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for the word you suggested. about too much references i am totally agree with you. three strongest references will be good enough. I will definitely follow this policy: Wikipedia:Citation overkill.Best.-- Patricia (Talk) 15:15, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
wow. amazing .thanks a lot for tidied up.Best.--Patricia (Talk) 15:17, 21 August 2023 (UTC),[reply]

16:48, 21 August 2023 review of submission by Jvaldry

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What are the best sources to cite to improve chances of acceptance? I added JSTOR articles and a few others.

2nd question: Should I remove her middle name? Most of her publication's include her middle name but most news stories and web articles don't. Jvaldry (talk) 16:48, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jvaldry I would use her middle name as she does. It helps disambiguate between other Tiffany Lopezes. For acceptance, have a look at the guidelines at WP:NPROF. If you want to show that she meets the standards at WP:GNG instead, the problem with the draft at present is that most (all?) of the sources are not independent - that is, they are created by her or people who are affiliated with her, so we don't use them to determine notability. -- asilvering (talk) 23:45, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

19:53, 21 August 2023 review of submission by Bnavasky

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Hi folks, I've been an occasional editor on Wikipedia and thought I'd try writing my first full article. It was rejected for lack of notability. I've added some mainstream sources as references (New York Times, Architectural Digest) and hoping that's enough, but if anyone can tell me if there's anything else I can do, I'd love to learn how to get this right. Thanks in advance for any response! Bnavasky (talk) 19:53, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Bnavasky It looks like this will be a tough one, sorry to say, since it's a non-profit that engages in activism, so it will have a lot of coverage that isn't independent. Have a look at WP:ORGCRIT for the kind of sources you need to find. My advice would be to hang onto this one for now and to try writing your first article about something that isn't an organization or an event. You've started in hard mode, imo. -- asilvering (talk) 23:50, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for your advice! I figured the NY Times would be considered independent, but maybe that's just my New Yorker bias in effect. I'll try a new topic, but I'll keep adding sources to this one as they come up, just in case. Bnavasky (talk) 16:27, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The NYT is independent, yes, unless you're looking at an interview (the kind where it just directly prints what the subject says) or some kinds of editorial (eg, one written by a board member of the org). But that's only one source, and I'm not sure if there's enough in there to call the coverage "significant" either (I'm paywalled at the moment and can't check). You need multiple sources that are independent AND reliable AND significant. -- asilvering (talk) 00:29, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

23:30, 21 August 2023 review of submission by Predator2773

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Hello. I am trying to create , edit page for actor Yevgeniy Kartashov, but I am confused with all rules .. how I must write correctly with all those symbols, insert links from press, photos, make names to be blue you know what I mean. Could you please help me how I can do it. Predator2773 (talk) 23:30, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Predator2773 see WP:FIRST for tips on creating your first article. -- asilvering (talk) 23:42, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Predator2773. Absolutely the very first step in creating a Wikipedia article is to find sources which are reliably published (which IMDB isn't), completely unconnected with the subject (Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them), and contains significant coverage of the subject - which your Deadpool and Blood Weed reviews do not.
The reason why this is the very first step is that if you cannot find at least three such sources, then there is literally nothing that you can put into the article, and any other work you do on it will be a total waste of effort.
So, your job, if you want to create an article about Karshatov, is to find places where writers (journalists, critics, academics) have chosen to write whole articles about Karshatov - not just about one film he's been in, but about him; and been published by somebody with a reputation for fact-checking and editorial control.
Actually, my advice (which is the advice I always give to new editors trying to create articles) is to forget about Kartashov completely for a few months while you learn how Wikipedia works by making improvements to some of our existing six million articles. ColinFine (talk) 14:15, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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